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Rick Chasey wrote:KingstonGraham wrote:Perhaps they don't just want the scraps from our tables.
That's not to do with the EU.
All these are so derivatives of derivatives of issues that are tangential at best.
It's just so weak. It shows how weak FPTP is that people feel they have to vote brexit or vote trump to be 'heard', despite the more pressing, practical (and power is practical) considerations.
I think it is optimistic to day the least to think that a change to PR would reverse decades of deindustrialisation and the failure to replace it with anything more than a few call centres and distribution warehouses.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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rjsterry wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:KingstonGraham wrote:Perhaps they don't just want the scraps from our tables.
That's not to do with the EU.
All these are so derivatives of derivatives of issues that are tangential at best.
It's just so weak. It shows how weak FPTP is that people feel they have to vote brexit or vote trump to be 'heard', despite the more pressing, practical (and power is practical) considerations.
I think it is optimistic to day the least to think that a change to PR would reverse decades of deindustrialisation and the failure to replace it with anything more than a few call centres and distribution warehouses.
S'not what I said.0 -
rjsterry wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:KingstonGraham wrote:Perhaps they don't just want the scraps from our tables.
That's not to do with the EU.
All these are so derivatives of derivatives of issues that are tangential at best.
It's just so weak. It shows how weak FPTP is that people feel they have to vote brexit or vote trump to be 'heard', despite the more pressing, practical (and power is practical) considerations.
I think it is optimistic to day the least to think that a change to PR would reverse decades of deindustrialisation and the failure to replace it with anything more than a few call centres and distribution warehouses.
No, but it would mean parties fighting for every vote. Unfortunately, when people were offered the chance to get PR, they rejected it. I remember shortly after the PR referendum, research was done into the issue, and most of the people who voted in it didn't actually understand what they were voting for/against. :roll:0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:rjsterry wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:KingstonGraham wrote:Perhaps they don't just want the scraps from our tables.
That's not to do with the EU.
All these are so derivatives of derivatives of issues that are tangential at best.
It's just so weak. It shows how weak FPTP is that people feel they have to vote brexit or vote trump to be 'heard', despite the more pressing, practical (and power is practical) considerations.
I think it is optimistic to day the least to think that a change to PR would reverse decades of deindustrialisation and the failure to replace it with anything more than a few call centres and distribution warehouses.
S'not what I said.
Ok. I've slightly lost your thread. You've said it's nothing to do with the EU, but I've already said that while our membership is not a direct cause - these are problems found across the world - it has to some extent facilitated the situation by allowing us (and the US) enough success elsewhere to forget about those former industrial areas. Leaving the EU/electing Trump won't solve the problems of those areas, but it has focused attention on them in a way successive general/presidential elections haven't.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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There are still far fewer people living in Tyneside than Greater London. Population distribution in the US is even more skewed - it would effectively disenfranchise the rural states. PR has not been offered to the public in this country, just its bastard child AV.finchy wrote:rjsterry wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:KingstonGraham wrote:Perhaps they don't just want the scraps from our tables.
That's not to do with the EU.
All these are so derivatives of derivatives of issues that are tangential at best.
It's just so weak. It shows how weak FPTP is that people feel they have to vote brexit or vote trump to be 'heard', despite the more pressing, practical (and power is practical) considerations.
I think it is optimistic to day the least to think that a change to PR would reverse decades of deindustrialisation and the failure to replace it with anything more than a few call centres and distribution warehouses.
No, but it would mean parties fighting for every vote. Unfortunately, when people were offered the chance to get PR, they rejected it. I remember shortly after the PR referendum, research was done into the issue, and most of the people who voted in it didn't actually understand what they were voting for/against. :roll:1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
rjsterry wrote:
There are still far fewer people living in Tyneside than Greater London. Population distribution in the US is even more skewed - it would effectively disenfranchise the rural states. PR has not been offered to the public in this country, just its bastard child AV.finchy wrote:rjsterry wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:KingstonGraham wrote:Perhaps they don't just want the scraps from our tables.
That's not to do with the EU.
All these are so derivatives of derivatives of issues that are tangential at best.
It's just so weak. It shows how weak FPTP is that people feel they have to vote brexit or vote trump to be 'heard', despite the more pressing, practical (and power is practical) considerations.
I think it is optimistic to day the least to think that a change to PR would reverse decades of deindustrialisation and the failure to replace it with anything more than a few call centres and distribution warehouses.
No, but it would mean parties fighting for every vote. Unfortunately, when people were offered the chance to get PR, they rejected it. I remember shortly after the PR referendum, research was done into the issue, and most of the people who voted in it didn't actually understand what they were voting for/against. :roll:
There might be more people living in Greater London than Tyneside, but Greater London doesn't have a larger population than Tyneside+NW England+SW England+Welsh Valleys+the sh1t parts of Scotland+all the other neglected parts of the UK.0 -
finchy wrote:rjsterry wrote:
There are still far fewer people living in Tyneside than Greater London. Population distribution in the US is even more skewed - it would effectively disenfranchise the rural states. PR has not been offered to the public in this country, just its bastard child AV.finchy wrote:rjsterry wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:KingstonGraham wrote:Perhaps they don't just want the scraps from our tables.
That's not to do with the EU.
All these are so derivatives of derivatives of issues that are tangential at best.
It's just so weak. It shows how weak FPTP is that people feel they have to vote brexit or vote trump to be 'heard', despite the more pressing, practical (and power is practical) considerations.
I think it is optimistic to day the least to think that a change to PR would reverse decades of deindustrialisation and the failure to replace it with anything more than a few call centres and distribution warehouses.
No, but it would mean parties fighting for every vote. Unfortunately, when people were offered the chance to get PR, they rejected it. I remember shortly after the PR referendum, research was done into the issue, and most of the people who voted in it didn't actually understand what they were voting for/against. :roll:
There might be more people living in Greater London than Tyneside, but Greater London doesn't have a larger population than Tyneside+NW England+SW England+Welsh Valleys+the sh1t parts of Scotland+all the other neglected parts of the UK.
So what is the solution?0 -
Back to Trump, he's now banning the pedlars of fake news refusing entry to dodgy establishments such as CNN and the BBC. Presumably the news agencies based at a computer desk in an Estonian bedroom are still welcome.0
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Pross wrote:Back to Trump, he's now banning the pedlars of fake news refusing entry to dodgy establishments such as CNN and the BBC. Presumably the news agencies based at a computer desk in an Estonian bedroom are still welcome.
Interesting to see if the moralising press will stand shoulder to shoulder and walk out en mass0 -
I don't think the likes of Breitbart seesee themselves as having any shared interests with what you and I think of as 'the press'.Surrey Commuter wrote:Pross wrote:Back to Trump, he's now banning the pedlars of fake news refusing entry to dodgy establishments such as CNN and the BBC. Presumably the news agencies based at a computer desk in an Estonian bedroom are still welcome.
Interesting to see if the moralising press will stand shoulder to shoulder and walk out en mass1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
rjsterry wrote:
I don't think the likes of Breitbart seesee themselves as having any shared interests with what you and I think of as 'the press'.Surrey Commuter wrote:Pross wrote:Back to Trump, he's now banning the pedlars of fake news refusing entry to dodgy establishments such as CNN and the BBC. Presumably the news agencies based at a computer desk in an Estonian bedroom are still welcome.
Interesting to see if the moralising press will stand shoulder to shoulder and walk out en mass
If 90% of the moralising twats walked out it would be a bold statement0 -
It would. Better still, they should all keep their eyes on the ball a bit more and stop being so easily led/distracted by Trump and his team.Surrey Commuter wrote:rjsterry wrote:
I don't think the likes of Breitbart seesee themselves as having any shared interests with what you and I think of as 'the press'.Surrey Commuter wrote:Pross wrote:Back to Trump, he's now banning the pedlars of fake news refusing entry to dodgy establishments such as CNN and the BBC. Presumably the news agencies based at a computer desk in an Estonian bedroom are still welcome.
Interesting to see if the moralising press will stand shoulder to shoulder and walk out en mass
If 90% of the moralising twats walked out it would be a bold statement
Just for clarity, who are you including in the moralising category?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
rjsterry wrote:
It would. Better still, they should all keep their eyes on the ball a bit more and stop being so easily led/distracted by Trump and his team.Surrey Commuter wrote:rjsterry wrote:
I don't think the likes of Breitbart seesee themselves as having any shared interests with what you and I think of as 'the press'.Surrey Commuter wrote:Pross wrote:Back to Trump, he's now banning the pedlars of fake news refusing entry to dodgy establishments such as CNN and the BBC. Presumably the news agencies based at a computer desk in an Estonian bedroom are still welcome.
Interesting to see if the moralising press will stand shoulder to shoulder and walk out en mass
If 90% of the moralising twats walked out it would be a bold statement
Just for clarity, who are you including in the moralising category?
All Journalists - maybe I should have said that I think they are spineless, moralising twats and would never walk out en mass.0 -
All journalists are spineless? Seems a bit of a meaningless generalisation. Do you just mean those covering the White House or are you including those being rounded up in Turkey, those who have been murdered in Russia,...Surrey Commuter wrote:rjsterry wrote:
It would. Better still, they should all keep their eyes on the ball a bit more and stop being so easily led/distracted by Trump and his team.Surrey Commuter wrote:rjsterry wrote:
I don't think the likes of Breitbart seesee themselves as having any shared interests with what you and I think of as 'the press'.Surrey Commuter wrote:Pross wrote:Back to Trump, he's now banning the pedlars of fake news refusing entry to dodgy establishments such as CNN and the BBC. Presumably the news agencies based at a computer desk in an Estonian bedroom are still welcome.
Interesting to see if the moralising press will stand shoulder to shoulder and walk out en mass
If 90% of the moralising twats walked out it would be a bold statement
Just for clarity, who are you including in the moralising category?
All Journalists - maybe I should have said that I think they are spineless, moralising twats and would never walk out en mass.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
rjsterry wrote:
All journalists are spineless? Seems a bit of a meaningless generalisation. Do you just mean those covering the White House or are you including those being rounded up in Turkey, those who have been murdered in Russia,...Surrey Commuter wrote:rjsterry wrote:
It would. Better still, they should all keep their eyes on the ball a bit more and stop being so easily led/distracted by Trump and his team.Surrey Commuter wrote:rjsterry wrote:
I don't think the likes of Breitbart seesee themselves as having any shared interests with what you and I think of as 'the press'.Surrey Commuter wrote:Pross wrote:Back to Trump, he's now banning the pedlars of fake news refusing entry to dodgy establishments such as CNN and the BBC. Presumably the news agencies based at a computer desk in an Estonian bedroom are still welcome.
Interesting to see if the moralising press will stand shoulder to shoulder and walk out en mass
If 90% of the moralising twats walked out it would be a bold statement
Just for clarity, who are you including in the moralising category?
All Journalists - maybe I should have said that I think they are spineless, moralising twats and would never walk out en mass.
White House press corps and their bosses0 -
He banned The Guardian. The Guardian of all people. The Guardian have never offended anyone.
He also banned The Daily Mail, which I thought was strange as I would have thought that their far right anti Semitic racist foul mouthed propaganda would have been right up his street.Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honoursmithy21 wrote:
He's right you know.0 -
There is the suggestion that those banned are those which have been chasing the Trump/Russia links energetically. I've no idea if the DM have been doing this, as it's one I won't/don't read.Matthewfalle wrote:He banned The Guardian. The Guardian of all people. The Guardian have never offended anyone.
He also banned The Daily Mail, which I thought was strange as I would have thought that their far right anti Semitic racist foul mouthed propaganda would have been right up his street.0 -
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There was me thinking she fell for his looks and personality.bendertherobot wrote:Dm called his wife a hooker0 -
Reminds me of... https://youtu.be/Lj-9lSEBBm0Veronese68 wrote:
There was me thinking she fell for his looks and personality.bendertherobot wrote:Dm called his wife a hooker0 -
The Graun had quite an interesting piece on how Priebus had tried to hush up the FBI investigation into Trump/Russia links and in so doing had confirmed that there was an investigation. I wonder how long they can keep a lid on this.briantrumpet wrote:
There is the suggestion that those banned are those which have been chasing the Trump/Russia links energetically. I've no idea if the DM have been doing this, as it's one I won't/don't read.Matthewfalle wrote:He banned The Guardian. The Guardian of all people. The Guardian have never offended anyone.
He also banned The Daily Mail, which I thought was strange as I would have thought that their far right anti Semitic racist foul mouthed propaganda would have been right up his street.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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I think that's the game. The whole thing points to Trump knowing that the intelligence community and press can sink him, and that there's ample material out there.rjsterry wrote:
The Graun had quite an interesting piece on how Priebus had tried to hush up the FBI investigation into Trump/Russia links and in so doing had confirmed that there was an investigation. I wonder how long they can keep a lid on this.briantrumpet wrote:
There is the suggestion that those banned are those which have been chasing the Trump/Russia links energetically. I've no idea if the DM have been doing this, as it's one I won't/don't read.Matthewfalle wrote:He banned The Guardian. The Guardian of all people. The Guardian have never offended anyone.
He also banned The Daily Mail, which I thought was strange as I would have thought that their far right anti Semitic racist foul mouthed propaganda would have been right up his street.0 -
he's a tad touchy aint hebendertherobot wrote:Dm called his wife a hookerAll lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....0 -
briantrumpet wrote:
Reminds me of... https://youtu.be/Lj-9lSEBBm0Veronese68 wrote:
There was me thinking she fell for his looks and personality.bendertherobot wrote:Dm called his wife a hooker
I was discussing this exactly with delightful, kind, sweet TDV. She replied that Melania must have a secondary plan because for all the money in the world Trumptard really is a phucktard and she must really want to punch him in his fat stupid idiot round head all the time.Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honoursmithy21 wrote:
He's right you know.0 -
Matthewfalle wrote:He banned The Guardian. The Guardian of all people. The Guardian have never offended anyone.
He also banned The Daily Mail, which I thought was strange as I would have thought that their far right anti Semitic racist foul mouthed propaganda would have been right up his street.
Maybe he's mates with Wiggins.0 -
a collection of morons. It's actually quite scary.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02 ... ashington/Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honoursmithy21 wrote:
He's right you know.0 -
Maybe the collective noun for morons could be a trumprage, or a fartrump.Matthewfalle wrote:a collection of morons. It's actually quite scary.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02 ... ashington/0 -
I don't like the way the media in the UK berate JC and the labour party, 'cos they have their own ultra right wing agenda. However, they should have every right to purvey their beliefs. The first thing any despotic dictator does is gain control of the media.
Trump is on the same track as the Nazis in 1930's Germany.
We should all be concerned.Tail end Charlie
The above post may contain traces of sarcasm or/and bullsh*t.0 -
Farage's 'Look, Mum! I'm on the telly!' grin in that dinner photo is almost enough to make you feel pity for the guy.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Frank the tank wrote:I don't like the way the media in the UK berate JC and the labour party, 'cos they have their own ultra right wing agenda. However, they should have every right to purvey their beliefs. The first thing any despotic dictator does is gain control of the media.
Trump is on the same track as the Nazis in 1930's Germany.
We should all be concerned.
He hasn't started burning books yet, to be fair. Give him time though...0
