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Pross

bendertherobot wrote:

Thoughts to out to those affected in last night's incident in Sweden.

Especially Paul Nuttall who lost several good friends.

diplodicus

Pross wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

Thoughts to out to those affected in last night's incident in Sweden.

Especially Paul Nuttall who lost several good friends.

Quality

Ben6899

As a non-American, entering America at an airport, you're generally treated like filth. I think that's widely accepted. But it seems things are progressively even more f***ed...

So is Trump's travel ban in effect, depending on whom you ask? Does it only apply to that arbitrary list of countries? Or is it really for Muslims? Or brown-skinned fellas with beards and funny sounding names?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... chool-trip

bendertherobot

Nah, it's cos he's Welsh.

dinyull

Love this:

Trump is speaking at CPAC where

By day, it draws college students and ardent activists to speeches from elected officials and panels on topics such as If Heaven Has a Gate, a Wall and Extreme Vetting, Why Can’t America?

hahaha

Conservative 'Murica ladies and gentlemen.

burnthesheep

bendertherobot wrote:

Give the public a break - The FAKE NEWS media is trying to say that large scale immigration in Sweden is working out just beautifully. NOT!

I assume he means it's not. If he's using NOT as in the Wayne's World version then it applies to the sentence. So the fake news media isn't saying that. That said, if they're not saying that, then they're saying that it isn't working out, so I guess that might still work. Confusing.

As an American who works for a Danish company and has been on work to Germany and leisure to Sweden, I have this to say:

It is absolutely laughable and horrid that in the US people who are LEAST affected by immigrants or refugees have a rage boner over a topic that doesn't affect them. When does a Southern redneck see a Muslim or Syrian on his weekly trip to Walmart for Mountain Dew, cigarettes, lottery tickets, and Bud Light beer? Never.

The people in the US living in urban areas, that vote liberal, support immigrants and refugees. Even though THEY stand to be the ones most likely to be the targets of terrorism.

The hypocrisy lies in a religious and racial phobia and bigotry, in the US.

Before September 11th, the largest terror attack on US soil was by a home grown pair of white evangelical nut jobs who blew up the Oklahoma Federal Building.

bianchimoon

burnthesheep wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

Give the public a break - The FAKE NEWS media is trying to say that large scale immigration in Sweden is working out just beautifully. NOT!

I assume he means it's not. If he's using NOT as in the Wayne's World version then it applies to the sentence. So the fake news media isn't saying that. That said, if they're not saying that, then they're saying that it isn't working out, so I guess that might still work. Confusing.

As an American who works for a Danish company and has been on work to Germany and leisure to Sweden, I have this to say:

It is absolutely laughable and horrid that in the US people who are LEAST affected by immigrants or refugees have a rage boner over a topic that doesn't affect them. When does a Southern redneck see a Muslim or Syrian on his weekly trip to Walmart for Mountain Dew, cigarettes, lottery tickets, and Bud Light beer? Never.

The people in the US living in urban areas, that vote liberal, support immigrants and refugees. Even though THEY stand to be the ones most likely to be the targets of terrorism.

The hypocrisy lies in a religious and racial phobia and bigotry, in the US.

Before September 11th, the largest terror attack on US soil was by a home grown pair of white evangelical nut jobs who blew up the Oklahoma Federal Building.

If only a couple of million more americans thought like you BtS, we have our own version of rednecks here as well unfortunately

veronese68

bianchimoon wrote:

If only a couple of million more americans thought like you BtS, we have our own version of rednecks here as well unfortunately

My thoughts entirely, if only more people thought like that generally. The main leave voting areas were those with fewer immigrants and often the ones that gained more in EU subsidies. Paranoia and ignorance are significantly more powerful than reality and facts in the world today.

rick_chasey

Veronese68 wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

If only a couple of million more americans thought like you BtS, we have our own version of rednecks here as well unfortunately

My thoughts entirely, if only more people thought like that generally. The main leave voting areas were those with fewer immigrants and often the ones that gained more in EU subsidies. Paranoia and ignorance are significantly more powerful than reality and facts in the world today.

It's harder to hate on groups of people when you know a bunch of people from them and realise they're just people like everyone else.

I remember someone in my old office conflating islamist extremist terrorists with those who come from Muslim countries; he was quite easily persuaded when he looked around and realised 5 of the 15 in the office were from those countries, and he was mates with them.

He's said he's come around since then, and has stopped thinking that way, so i guess it's progress.

dinyull

It's because they don't realise they're no harm.

I'm from Newcastle and most of up here voted leave, and most would admit it's because of immigration.

The heavy industry has been decimated up here, when I was at school the ship yards were still (barely) going and most of the town where I'm from depended on them. Thousands of skilled workers on the scrap heap.

They need someone to blame, and don't trust the govt's that they see as screwing them over.

The fact that you'd struggle to find a non-white face in most of these towns doesn't seem to resonate that they haven't "come here and stolen our jobs".

I don't agree with them, but totally understand why so many have voted to leave, because up here we're forgotten time and time again by those in power.

rick_chasey

Dinyull wrote:

It's because they don't realise they're no harm.

I'm from Newcastle and most of up here voted leave, and most would admit it's because of immigration.

The heavy industry has been decimated up here, when I was at school the ship yards were still (barely) going and most of the town where I'm from depended on them. Thousands of skilled workers on the scrap heap.

They need someone to blame, and don't trust the govt's that they see as screwing them over.

The fact that you'd struggle to find a non-white face in most of these towns doesn't seem to resonate that they haven't "come here and stolen our jobs".

I don't agree with them, but totally understand why so many have voted to leave, because up here we're forgotten time and time again by those in power.

Appreciate it's off topic, but what does being forgotten got to do with membership of the EU?

dinyull

They put 2+2 together and get 5. They blame being forgotten on the govt getting cheap(er) labour from immigrants.

rick_chasey

Dinyull wrote:

They put 2+2 together and get 5. They blame being forgotten on the govt getting cheap(er) labour from immigrants.

Then they're f*cking morons.

Whenever I try to explain why on earth people would vote for leave, a lot of standard reasons given in the press don't really answer the question 'what's that got to do with the EU?'

It's just so painful.

It's the same with Trump.

"We're fed up with metropolitan elites - let's vote the billionaire property mogel who lives in New York".

rick_chasey

Oh i'm fed up with the metroplitan elites bending over for greedy bankers, I know, I'll vote for Nigel Farage, who spent his entire career as a broker at the LME, getting pissed in London bars, and living in London.

Yeah, that'll show 'em.


Moronic.

dinyull

They are, but desperation leads to desperate measures.

Our town has links to at about 5 ship yards on the Tyne. Before that there were coal mines. My dad, uncles and grandfather have all worked in the yards (grandad down the imes too). Uncles were apprenticed there and up and till late 90's it's all they knew. One has been in and out of work since then, no job security whatsoever and nothing to replace these lost jobs other than a few call centres opening up.

It's a cry for help.

rick_chasey

Dinyull wrote:

They are, but desperation leads to desperate measures.

Our town has links to at about 5 ship yards on the Tyne. Before that there were coal mines. My dad, uncles and grandfather have all worked in the yards (grandad down the imes too). Uncles were apprenticed there and up and till late 90's it's all they knew. One has been in and out of work since then, no job security whatsoever and nothing to replace these lost jobs other than a few call centres opening up.

It's a cry for help.

Again, have they explained what that's got to do with the EU?

I don't expect they believe now Brexit is occurring they'll be groaning under the weight of jobs?

And if things are so awful, why does it only come out during a vote on the EU?

surrey_commuter

Rick Chasey wrote:

Dinyull wrote:

They are, but desperation leads to desperate measures.

Our town has links to at about 5 ship yards on the Tyne. Before that there were coal mines. My dad, uncles and grandfather have all worked in the yards (grandad down the imes too). Uncles were apprenticed there and up and till late 90's it's all they knew. One has been in and out of work since then, no job security whatsoever and nothing to replace these lost jobs other than a few call centres opening up.

It's a cry for help.

Again, have they explained what that's got to do with the EU?

I don't expect they believe now Brexit is occurring they'll be groaning under the weight of jobs?

And if things are so awful, why does it only come out during a vote on the EU?

because the vote leave campaign took all the biggest fears such as jobs and NHS and linked it to the EU.

dinyull

Sorry, I'm not saying my lot (family) voted out. Parents and granddad voted in, not sure on uncles. Was just making a point on how families up here are.

If you check the vote, 90% will always vote labour up here, no matter what.

Again, I think it was a cry for help for most.

dinyull

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Dinyull wrote:

They are, but desperation leads to desperate measures.

Our town has links to at about 5 ship yards on the Tyne. Before that there were coal mines. My dad, uncles and grandfather have all worked in the yards (grandad down the imes too). Uncles were apprenticed there and up and till late 90's it's all they knew. One has been in and out of work since then, no job security whatsoever and nothing to replace these lost jobs other than a few call centres opening up.

It's a cry for help.

Again, have they explained what that's got to do with the EU?

I don't expect they believe now Brexit is occurring they'll be groaning under the weight of jobs?

And if things are so awful, why does it only come out during a vote on the EU?

because the vote leave campaign took all the biggest fears such as jobs and NHS and linked it to the EU.

This too.

rick_chasey

Help - i want out of the EU? :roll: I presume they didn't read what the vote was actually about in that case.

Anyway. This is the Trump thread.

It's even more moronic to be poor and vote republican, let alone for a billionaire new yorker who boasts about tax avoidance.

dinyull

Leave was also backed by many "non" politicians. Like Trump. People want change from politicians, no matter how rich the people they vote for are.

Like I said originally, I understand why people vote for Trump or Leave etc (although I don't agree), because they've been shat on from a great height by "politicians" and their policies and they see no other option.

rjsterry

Rick Chasey wrote:

Dinyull wrote:

It's because they don't realise they're no harm.

I'm from Newcastle and most of up here voted leave, and most would admit it's because of immigration.

The heavy industry has been decimated up here, when I was at school the ship yards were still (barely) going and most of the town where I'm from depended on them. Thousands of skilled workers on the scrap heap.

They need someone to blame, and don't trust the govt's that they see as screwing them over.

The fact that you'd struggle to find a non-white face in most of these towns doesn't seem to resonate that they haven't "come here and stolen our jobs".

I don't agree with them, but totally understand why so many have voted to leave, because up here we're forgotten time and time again by those in power.

Appreciate it's off topic, but what does being forgotten got to do with membership of the EU?

You could argue that because EU membership has been so good for the country as a whole - assorted chancellors have been able to refer to lots if improving figures - it has masked the fact that some parts of the country have spent 8 or more years going nowhere. It's not directly the EU'S fault that these areas have been neglected by successive governments, but membership has to some extent allowed that neglect to be perpetuated. Much the same argument can be made to explain Trump.

Ben6899

Dinyull wrote:

Sorry, I'm not saying my lot (family) voted out. Parents and granddad voted in, not sure on uncles. Was just making a point on how families up here are.

If you check the vote, 90% will always vote labour up here, no matter what.

Again, I think it was a cry for help for most.

I know a lad who's a welder / fabricator (a good one, by all accounts, but I'm no expert). He firmly believed that leaving the EU would mean shipyards would reopen.

So, as you can probably figure out, it's a good job he's handy with an acetylene torch because KPMG won't be knocking on his door.

surrey_commuter

rjsterry wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Dinyull wrote:

It's because they don't realise they're no harm.

I'm from Newcastle and most of up here voted leave, and most would admit it's because of immigration.

The heavy industry has been decimated up here, when I was at school the ship yards were still (barely) going and most of the town where I'm from depended on them. Thousands of skilled workers on the scrap heap.

They need someone to blame, and don't trust the govt's that they see as screwing them over.

The fact that you'd struggle to find a non-white face in most of these towns doesn't seem to resonate that they haven't "come here and stolen our jobs".

I don't agree with them, but totally understand why so many have voted to leave, because up here we're forgotten time and time again by those in power.

Appreciate it's off topic, but what does being forgotten got to do with membership of the EU?

You could argue that because EU membership has been so good for the country as a whole - assorted chancellors have been able to refer to lots if improving figures - it has masked the fact that some parts of the country have spent 8 or more years going nowhere. It's not directly the EU'S fault that these areas have been neglected by successive governments, but membership has to some extent allowed that neglect to be perpetuated. Much the same argument can be made to explain Trump.

and if the country had not done so well imagine how much worse funding would be for all of the public services that these people use.

rjsterry

Surrey Commuter wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Dinyull wrote:

It's because they don't realise they're no harm.

I'm from Newcastle and most of up here voted leave, and most would admit it's because of immigration.

The heavy industry has been decimated up here, when I was at school the ship yards were still (barely) going and most of the town where I'm from depended on them. Thousands of skilled workers on the scrap heap.

They need someone to blame, and don't trust the govt's that they see as screwing them over.

The fact that you'd struggle to find a non-white face in most of these towns doesn't seem to resonate that they haven't "come here and stolen our jobs".

I don't agree with them, but totally understand why so many have voted to leave, because up here we're forgotten time and time again by those in power.

Appreciate it's off topic, but what does being forgotten got to do with membership of the EU?

You could argue that because EU membership has been so good for the country as a whole - assorted chancellors have been able to refer to lots if improving figures - it has masked the fact that some parts of the country have spent 8 or more years going nowhere. It's not directly the EU'S fault that these areas have been neglected by successive governments, but membership has to some extent allowed that neglect to be perpetuated. Much the same argument can be made to explain Trump.

and if the country had not done so well imagine how much worse funding would be for all of the public services that these people use.

From their point of view it already is that bad.

kingstongraham

Perhaps they don't just want the scraps from our tables.

dinyull

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/10/blunt-heckler-economists-failing-us-booming-britain-gdp-london

rick_chasey

KingstonGraham wrote:

Perhaps they don't just want the scraps from our tables.

That's not to do with the EU.

All these are so derivatives of derivatives of issues that are tangential at best.

It's just so weak. It shows how weak FPTP is that people feel they have to vote brexit or vote trump to be 'heard', despite the more pressing, practical (and power is practical) considerations.

kingstongraham

It also fits in nicely with Steve Bannon's speech to the CPAC where he said the USA is not an economy, it is a country with an economy. He went off a bit wildly after that, as per usual, but that is a message that would do well here too.

kingstongraham

Rick Chasey wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Perhaps they don't just want the scraps from our tables.

That's not to do with the EU.

All these are so derivatives of derivatives of issues that are tangential at best.

It's just so weak. It shows how weak FPTP is that people feel they have to vote brexit or vote trump to be 'heard', despite the more pressing, practical (and power is practical) considerations.

When you think it doesn't make sense that places that are the largest beneficiaries of EU grants voted leave, then it is about the EU.