Donald Trump

pblakeney

Imposter wrote:

Frank the tank wrote:

I don't like the way the media in the UK berate JC and the labour party, 'cos they have their own ultra right wing agenda. However, they should have every right to purvey their beliefs. The first thing any despotic dictator does is gain control of the media.

Trump is on the same track as the Nazis in 1930's Germany.

We should all be concerned.

He hasn't started burning books yet, to be fair. Give him time though...

Very few read books these days.
How long will it be before an attack on the "free" internet?

Matthewfalle

briantrumpet wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

a collection of morons. It's actually quite scary.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02 ... ashington/

Maybe the collective noun for morons could be a trumprage, or a fartrump.

A horde of fucktons works better methinks.

slowmart

Trumptards

Trumpturds

rolf_f

PBlakeney wrote:

Imposter wrote:

Frank the tank wrote:

I don't like the way the media in the UK berate JC and the labour party, 'cos they have their own ultra right wing agenda. However, they should have every right to purvey their beliefs. The first thing any despotic dictator does is gain control of the media.

Trump is on the same track as the Nazis in 1930's Germany.

We should all be concerned.

He hasn't started burning books yet, to be fair. Give him time though...

Very few read books these days.

Hmmm, that sounds a bit highly unlikely! Just a random Google hit but this - http://www.pewinternet.org/2016/09/01/b ... ding-2016/ says that almost three quarters of Americans read at least one book last year - and mostly print books.

This badly written, UK focussed article (https://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/ ... read-books) suggests that 89% of UK men and 95% of women do read for pleasure at least on an occasional basis.

I think that you are getting your definition of 'very few' from the same place that Theresa May gets her idea that the whole country is supporting her good, hard Brexit!

kingstongraham

Frank the tank wrote:

I don't like the way the media in the UK berate JC and the labour party, 'cos they have their own ultra right wing agenda. However, they should have every right to purvey their beliefs. The first thing any despotic dictator does is gain control of the media.

Trump is on the same track as the Nazis in 1930's Germany.

We should all be concerned.

Unless you consider that his final solution might be similar, it's a comparison that should not be made lightly.

bompington

KingstonGraham wrote:

Frank the tank wrote:

I don't like the way the media in the UK berate JC and the labour party, 'cos they have their own ultra right wing agenda. However, they should have every right to purvey their beliefs. The first thing any despotic dictator does is gain control of the media.

Trump is on the same track as the Nazis in 1930's Germany.

We should all be concerned.

Unless you consider that his final solution might be similar, it's a comparison that should not be made lightly.

I don't think you need to take any comparison seriously if it's made by someone whose definition of "ultra-right wing" appears to mean anyone to the right of Corbyn.

rjsterry

There are dozens of examples of authoritarian presidents seeking to control the media, on pretty much any continent, and at any time. No need to reach for Nazi comparisons and if anything this makes the criticism easier to dismiss as hysteria.

rick_chasey

rjsterry wrote:

There are dozens of examples of authoritarian presidents seeking to control the media, on pretty much any continent, and at any time. No need to reach for Nazi comparisons and if anything this makes the criticism easier to dismiss as hysteria.

Yup yup.

Confirmation bias - I said it about myself a few months ago.

Beyond 19th Century colonialism and the development of a racist discourse, I have spent most of my life reading about Europe 1900-1950, so naturally, all my references come from there.

rick_chasey

Further to that > I would imagine most people's interaction with a historical authoritarian will be Hitler, given that (certainly in my experience) the Nazis are covered very regularly at school, at the expense of a lot else.

From that age of 10 I ended up doing Nazis every other year untill I left University.

Year 5, 7, 9, 11, 2nd year 6th form, 2nd year University.

pblakeney

Rolf F wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

Imposter wrote:

Frank the tank wrote:

I don't like the way the media in the UK berate JC and the labour party, 'cos they have their own ultra right wing agenda. However, they should have every right to purvey their beliefs. The first thing any despotic dictator does is gain control of the media.

Trump is on the same track as the Nazis in 1930's Germany.

We should all be concerned.

He hasn't started burning books yet, to be fair. Give him time though...

Very few read books these days.

Hmmm, that sounds a bit highly unlikely! Just a random Google hit but this - http://www.pewinternet.org/2016/09/01/b ... ding-2016/ says that almost three quarters of Americans read at least one book last year - and mostly print books.

This badly written, UK focussed article (https://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/ ... read-books) suggests that 89% of UK men and 95% of women do read for pleasure at least on an occasional basis.

I think that you are getting your definition of 'very few' from the same place that Theresa May gets her idea that the whole country is supporting her good, hard Brexit!

Okay, the people in my small sample group 1% read hard copy books. Point was that the internet spreads messages far quicker, and wider, than books. Even the press are focussing online. If he is the control freak that we think he is, then that will become a target.

Ben6899

PBlakeney wrote:

...If he is the control freak that we think he is, then that will become a target.

What we see on the internet is already controlled. Even over here in the free world. Long article, but very much worth a read...

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/arti ... exit-trump

rjsterry

Rick Chasey wrote:

Further to that > I would imagine most people's interaction with a historical authoritarian will be Hitler, given that (certainly in my experience) the Nazis are covered very regularly at school, at the expense of a lot else.

From that age of 10 I ended up doing Nazis every other year untill I left University.

Year 5, 7, 9, 11, 2nd year 6th form, 2nd year University.

Which is odd, really. I mean we're not short of examples in the news.

veronese68

rjsterry wrote:

Farage's 'Look, Mum! I'm on the telly!' grin in that dinner photo is almost enough to make you feel pity for the guy.

Whilst we think similarly on many issues it's things like this that show how much more patient, tolerant and charitable you are. Pity wasn't the first thing I felt, or the second.

bendertherobot

http://www.today.com/news/george-w-bush ... el-t108627

An interesting listen.

capt_slog

Rick Chasey wrote:

Further to that > I would imagine most people's interaction with a historical authoritarian will be Hitler, given that (certainly in my experience) the Nazis are covered very regularly at school, at the expense of a lot else.

From that age of 10 I ended up doing Nazis every other year untill I left University.

Year 5, 7, 9, 11, 2nd year 6th form, 2nd year University.

I suppose it depends upon your field of study. He didn't have much relevance in physics and chemistry.

RallyBiker

Frank the tank wrote:

I don't like the way the media in the UK berate JC and the labour party, 'cos they have their own ultra right wing agenda. However, they should have every right to purvey their beliefs. The first thing any despotic dictator does is gain control of the media.

Trump is on the same track as the Nazis in 1930's Germany.

We should all be concerned.

Really? I think you should look at Turkey and See what Edorgan is quietly getting up to! :roll:

Frank the tank

bompington wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Frank the tank wrote:

I don't like the way the media in the UK berate JC and the labour party, 'cos they have their own ultra right wing agenda. However, they should have every right to purvey their beliefs. The first thing any despotic dictator does is gain control of the media.

Trump is on the same track as the Nazis in 1930's Germany.

We should all be concerned.

Unless you consider that his final solution might be similar, it's a comparison that should not be made lightly.

I don't think you need to take any comparison seriously if it's made by someone whose definition of "ultra-right wing" appears to mean anyone to the right of Corbyn.

Regardless of my political viewpoint or even yours, when the "leader of the free world" makes the statements he is, we're on a slippery slope.
Yes, the politics in this country have been for thirty years and are still moving ever further to the right. Corbyn is not a radical, he is a middle of the road socialist. It may take a couple or so decades but eventually the ordinary working class will realise they are exactly that, by which time it will be to late.

pblakeney

Ben6899 wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

...If he is the control freak that we think he is, then that will become a target.

What we see on the internet is already controlled. Even over here in the free world. Long article, but very much worth a read...

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/arti ... exit-trump

Yes. But more oppressive and more blatant.
China style. Not that he'd like the comparison.

rjsterry

Capt Slog wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Further to that > I would imagine most people's interaction with a historical authoritarian will be Hitler, given that (certainly in my experience) the Nazis are covered very regularly at school, at the expense of a lot else.

From that age of 10 I ended up doing Nazis every other year untill I left University.

Year 5, 7, 9, 11, 2nd year 6th form, 2nd year University.

I suppose it depends upon your field of study. He didn't have much relevance in physics and chemistry.

The proverbial rocket science? A combination of physics and some very vigorous chemistry, and pioneered by one Werher von Braun.

bendertherobot

So, he has mates whose trucks, when brand new, get to LA from New York and are literally destroyed by the trip because of the roads.

American trucks, one assumes.

bendertherobot

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39113446

Seems like some buyers regret so far. But, also, he thinks Obama is plotting?

fenix

bendertherobot wrote:

So, he has mates whose trucks, when brand new, get to LA from New York and are literally destroyed by the trip because of the roads.

American trucks, one assumes.

Trucks ? I've missed something ?

bendertherobot

Fenix wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

So, he has mates whose trucks, when brand new, get to LA from New York and are literally destroyed by the trip because of the roads.

American trucks, one assumes.

Trucks ? I've missed something ?

He claimed that the roads in the US are so poor that a truck, because he has friends who say this, driven from NY to LA will be destroyed in that one journey. Destroyed. So he's going to fix the roads.

It does appear that their roads can be a bit rubbish. But it also seems that their trucks might be as well.

Oh, and he mentioned the tiles falling off in the NY tunnel. Save that they're not falling off. They've been taken down as a result of Hurricane Sandy so that they can be put back on again in the repairs being carried out.

kingstongraham

bendertherobot wrote:

So, he has mates whose trucks, when brand new, get to LA from New York and are literally destroyed by the trip because of the roads.

American trucks, one assumes.

So he'll be looking at repealing the chicken tax then?

fenix

Jeez - how can anyone be so dumb ? He heard this off a friend of a friend... his pilot said..... He's rambling like a drunk at a bus stop and he's meant to be in charge of a nation. Poor america.

Pross

I originally thought his campaign was just an act to appeal to the lowest common denominator of US voter and whilst I assumed he would be pretty right wing in his policies I never expected to find that 'act' was actually the real him and that he genuinely is incredibly thick. Now I know his business empire was mainly inherited and he has never really developed it but from what I've seen I am amazed that he still has any of it left, his advisers must be incredibly loyal not to have just stitched him up and disappeared with the proceeds!

dinyull

Pross wrote:

Now I know his business empire was mainly inherited and he has never really developed it but from what I've seen I am amazed that he still has any of it left, his advisers must be incredibly loyal not to have just stitched him up and disappeared with the proceeds!

He is mortgaged up to his bouffant and has almost lost everything more than a few times now.

dinyull

Fenix wrote:

Jeez - how can anyone be so dumb ? He heard this off a friend of a friend... his pilot said..... He's rambling like a drunk at a bus stop and he's meant to be in charge of a nation. Poor america.

He was tweeting about his upcoming TV appearances during the failed Yemani military raid. Not in the situation room, despite it being the first of his presidency.

Having said that, some of his inane ramblings are sent out at times to blow the media off the scent of sh*tstorms. And they work too. He's either very smart, or is being led by someone who knows what they're doing.

bendertherobot

So he thinks the anti semitic attacks in the US are false flag

pblakeney

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v6tx0t_zA1M
What I think the fascist carnival barker really is.