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There are quite a few who should be flagged for repetitionkingstongraham said:Can you be flagged for deviation?
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I still see a lot of similarities.bobmcstuff said:
I would put the Remain side arguments more towards "massive exaggeration" whereas the Leave side arguments in the realm of "outright lies", personally - but this is angels dancing on pinheads. And the Leave side definitely did break election spending law.john80 said:
I see you are blind to the remain campaigns lies. What's your argument. The remainers were cleverer and could see through those lies but the poor brexiteers didn't stand a chance.sungod said:
nonsensejohn80 said:
In your head yes.First.Aspect said:
All that's true isn't it?john80 said:
Whilst there are little to no remainers claiming the referendum was rigged. How many remainers have claimed that people who voted to leave were lied to, could not understand what they were voting for or were just too dumb to understand the arguments etc etc.bobmcstuff said:
If you can find any evidence on here of Remainers making allegations of ballot stuffing and fraud, well, go ahead. I thought Brexit was a stupid idea in 2016, I still think so now, but I've never tried to suggest there was widespread election fraud... I don't remember that coming up on here but then again I haven't been in the Brexit thread for some time.coopster_the_1st said:
More denial...kingstongraham said:
I don't think many disputed the result, maybe I'm mistaken.ballysmate said:tailwindhome said:Democracy doesn't stop fixed for ever more after one vote at one moment in time.
Trump supporters are every bit as entitled to protest as Remainers were.
They're every bit as entitled to oppose the new President's agenda as parliament was to oppose the May's Brexit deal.
I'm not sure what's complicated.
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But it seems some posters on here don't like the idea that they are like Trump supporters.
There's a difference between thinking we voted for something completely stupid and questioning the integrity of the vote itself. But you know that.
it's a fact leavers were lied to
it's a fact leavers didn't know what they were voting for beyond 'leave the eu'
after years i've yet to hear any leaver explain why it's factually (rather than jingoistically) a good idea
the uk's problems are the creation of the uk's political system, leaving the eu will not solve them, it merely strips citizens of their rights and drives the uk further towards plutocracy
It's still not comparable to the Trump campaign alleging actual voting fraud, which is what we were originally talking about.........................
Separately, I would liken Trump's current situation to a batsman that doesn't walk. Perfectly within his rights, but ultimately will be given out by the umpire.
In case any one was wondering whether I consider Trump to have been caught by a tickle through to the keeper or a mistimed pull, I would say he was caught at point.0 -
Caught at point - claiming a no ball.TheBigBean said:
I still see a lot of similarities.bobmcstuff said:
I would put the Remain side arguments more towards "massive exaggeration" whereas the Leave side arguments in the realm of "outright lies", personally - but this is angels dancing on pinheads. And the Leave side definitely did break election spending law.john80 said:
I see you are blind to the remain campaigns lies. What's your argument. The remainers were cleverer and could see through those lies but the poor brexiteers didn't stand a chance.sungod said:
nonsensejohn80 said:
In your head yes.First.Aspect said:
All that's true isn't it?john80 said:
Whilst there are little to no remainers claiming the referendum was rigged. How many remainers have claimed that people who voted to leave were lied to, could not understand what they were voting for or were just too dumb to understand the arguments etc etc.bobmcstuff said:
If you can find any evidence on here of Remainers making allegations of ballot stuffing and fraud, well, go ahead. I thought Brexit was a stupid idea in 2016, I still think so now, but I've never tried to suggest there was widespread election fraud... I don't remember that coming up on here but then again I haven't been in the Brexit thread for some time.coopster_the_1st said:
More denial...kingstongraham said:
I don't think many disputed the result, maybe I'm mistaken.ballysmate said:tailwindhome said:Democracy doesn't stop fixed for ever more after one vote at one moment in time.
Trump supporters are every bit as entitled to protest as Remainers were.
They're every bit as entitled to oppose the new President's agenda as parliament was to oppose the May's Brexit deal.
I'm not sure what's complicated.
100%
But it seems some posters on here don't like the idea that they are like Trump supporters.
There's a difference between thinking we voted for something completely stupid and questioning the integrity of the vote itself. But you know that.
it's a fact leavers were lied to
it's a fact leavers didn't know what they were voting for beyond 'leave the eu'
after years i've yet to hear any leaver explain why it's factually (rather than jingoistically) a good idea
the uk's problems are the creation of the uk's political system, leaving the eu will not solve them, it merely strips citizens of their rights and drives the uk further towards plutocracy
It's still not comparable to the Trump campaign alleging actual voting fraud, which is what we were originally talking about.........................
Separately, I would liken Trump's current situation to a batsman that doesn't walk. Perfectly within his rights, but ultimately will be given out by the umpire.
In case any one was wondering whether I consider Trump to have been caught by a tickle through to the keeper or a mistimed pull, I would say he was caught at point.
I like it.
I see a pretty clear difference between campaigning tactics and attacking the integrity of the election, but there you go.0 -
A bit more like being caught at mid on, with the catch recorded in high def by multiple camera angles, then claiming the fielder pulled a spare ball from his pocket.TheBigBean said:
I still see a lot of similarities.bobmcstuff said:
I would put the Remain side arguments more towards "massive exaggeration" whereas the Leave side arguments in the realm of "outright lies", personally - but this is angels dancing on pinheads. And the Leave side definitely did break election spending law.john80 said:
I see you are blind to the remain campaigns lies. What's your argument. The remainers were cleverer and could see through those lies but the poor brexiteers didn't stand a chance.sungod said:
nonsensejohn80 said:
In your head yes.First.Aspect said:
All that's true isn't it?john80 said:
Whilst there are little to no remainers claiming the referendum was rigged. How many remainers have claimed that people who voted to leave were lied to, could not understand what they were voting for or were just too dumb to understand the arguments etc etc.bobmcstuff said:
If you can find any evidence on here of Remainers making allegations of ballot stuffing and fraud, well, go ahead. I thought Brexit was a stupid idea in 2016, I still think so now, but I've never tried to suggest there was widespread election fraud... I don't remember that coming up on here but then again I haven't been in the Brexit thread for some time.coopster_the_1st said:
More denial...kingstongraham said:
I don't think many disputed the result, maybe I'm mistaken.ballysmate said:tailwindhome said:Democracy doesn't stop fixed for ever more after one vote at one moment in time.
Trump supporters are every bit as entitled to protest as Remainers were.
They're every bit as entitled to oppose the new President's agenda as parliament was to oppose the May's Brexit deal.
I'm not sure what's complicated.
100%
But it seems some posters on here don't like the idea that they are like Trump supporters.
There's a difference between thinking we voted for something completely stupid and questioning the integrity of the vote itself. But you know that.
it's a fact leavers were lied to
it's a fact leavers didn't know what they were voting for beyond 'leave the eu'
after years i've yet to hear any leaver explain why it's factually (rather than jingoistically) a good idea
the uk's problems are the creation of the uk's political system, leaving the eu will not solve them, it merely strips citizens of their rights and drives the uk further towards plutocracy
It's still not comparable to the Trump campaign alleging actual voting fraud, which is what we were originally talking about.........................
Separately, I would liken Trump's current situation to a batsman that doesn't walk. Perfectly within his rights, but ultimately will be given out by the umpire.
In case any one was wondering whether I consider Trump to have been caught by a tickle through to the keeper or a mistimed pull, I would say he was caught at point.0 -
If we to add up all the costs for the remain side that were free such as air time on TV, civil servants time, leaflets posted to ever house would this exceed the leave campaigns spending. The fact remain lost when they had all the cards is telling.bobmcstuff said:
I would put the Remain side arguments more towards "massive exaggeration" whereas the Leave side arguments in the realm of "outright lies", personally - but this is angels dancing on pinheads. And the Leave side definitely did break election spending law.john80 said:
I see you are blind to the remain campaigns lies. What's your argument. The remainers were cleverer and could see through those lies but the poor brexiteers didn't stand a chance.sungod said:
nonsensejohn80 said:
In your head yes.First.Aspect said:
All that's true isn't it?john80 said:
Whilst there are little to no remainers claiming the referendum was rigged. How many remainers have claimed that people who voted to leave were lied to, could not understand what they were voting for or were just too dumb to understand the arguments etc etc.bobmcstuff said:
If you can find any evidence on here of Remainers making allegations of ballot stuffing and fraud, well, go ahead. I thought Brexit was a stupid idea in 2016, I still think so now, but I've never tried to suggest there was widespread election fraud... I don't remember that coming up on here but then again I haven't been in the Brexit thread for some time.coopster_the_1st said:
More denial...kingstongraham said:
I don't think many disputed the result, maybe I'm mistaken.ballysmate said:tailwindhome said:Democracy doesn't stop fixed for ever more after one vote at one moment in time.
Trump supporters are every bit as entitled to protest as Remainers were.
They're every bit as entitled to oppose the new President's agenda as parliament was to oppose the May's Brexit deal.
I'm not sure what's complicated.
100%
But it seems some posters on here don't like the idea that they are like Trump supporters.
There's a difference between thinking we voted for something completely stupid and questioning the integrity of the vote itself. But you know that.
it's a fact leavers were lied to
it's a fact leavers didn't know what they were voting for beyond 'leave the eu'
after years i've yet to hear any leaver explain why it's factually (rather than jingoistically) a good idea
the uk's problems are the creation of the uk's political system, leaving the eu will not solve them, it merely strips citizens of their rights and drives the uk further towards plutocracy
It's still not comparable to the Trump campaign alleging actual voting fraud, which is what we were originally talking about.........................1 -
You won, get over itjohn80 said:
If we to add up all the costs for the remain side that were free such as air time on TV, civil servants time, leaflets posted to ever house would this exceed the leave campaigns spending. The fact remain lost when they had all the cards is telling.bobmcstuff said:
I would put the Remain side arguments more towards "massive exaggeration" whereas the Leave side arguments in the realm of "outright lies", personally - but this is angels dancing on pinheads. And the Leave side definitely did break election spending law.john80 said:
I see you are blind to the remain campaigns lies. What's your argument. The remainers were cleverer and could see through those lies but the poor brexiteers didn't stand a chance.sungod said:
nonsensejohn80 said:
In your head yes.First.Aspect said:
All that's true isn't it?john80 said:
Whilst there are little to no remainers claiming the referendum was rigged. How many remainers have claimed that people who voted to leave were lied to, could not understand what they were voting for or were just too dumb to understand the arguments etc etc.bobmcstuff said:
If you can find any evidence on here of Remainers making allegations of ballot stuffing and fraud, well, go ahead. I thought Brexit was a stupid idea in 2016, I still think so now, but I've never tried to suggest there was widespread election fraud... I don't remember that coming up on here but then again I haven't been in the Brexit thread for some time.coopster_the_1st said:
More denial...kingstongraham said:
I don't think many disputed the result, maybe I'm mistaken.ballysmate said:tailwindhome said:Democracy doesn't stop fixed for ever more after one vote at one moment in time.
Trump supporters are every bit as entitled to protest as Remainers were.
They're every bit as entitled to oppose the new President's agenda as parliament was to oppose the May's Brexit deal.
I'm not sure what's complicated.
100%
But it seems some posters on here don't like the idea that they are like Trump supporters.
There's a difference between thinking we voted for something completely stupid and questioning the integrity of the vote itself. But you know that.
it's a fact leavers were lied to
it's a fact leavers didn't know what they were voting for beyond 'leave the eu'
after years i've yet to hear any leaver explain why it's factually (rather than jingoistically) a good idea
the uk's problems are the creation of the uk's political system, leaving the eu will not solve them, it merely strips citizens of their rights and drives the uk further towards plutocracy
It's still not comparable to the Trump campaign alleging actual voting fraud, which is what we were originally talking about.........................0 -
First.Aspect said:
The GDP projections, over two years look not far out to me. 3.6% over two years. I dont recall anything other than downgrades over that period.coopster_the_1st said:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/hm-treasury-analysis-the-immediate-economic-impact-of-leaving-the-euFirst.Aspect said:
No, they weren't. They didnt factor in all of the provaracation, but only a numpty would expect to wake up on the day after the vote and think the fact nithing has changed yet meant everything was okay.coopster_the_1st said:
These were predictions upon just voting to leave, so let's say by 2018 to be generous.First.Aspect said:
For all practicable purposes, we haven't left yet. Give it time.coopster_the_1st said:
The best thing is we can call out the remain side lies as they have been proven to be wrong. Which economy lie do you want?First.Aspect said:
What lies? That the EU would circle the wagons and be hard on anyone leaving? That the economy would be worse off?coopster_the_1st said:Remoaners are still in denial that their side lied as well. If Trump supporters did this they would be rightly lambasted, but remoaners give out a free pass to lies their side told.
Remoaners are getting more like Trump supporters every day...
I'll start with these two:
- 10% drop in house prices
- 800k people additional unemployed
A longer list is available from the May 2016 treasury document that you can google
Are you still in denial that you fell for this government created hysteria?
I don't think a 10% drop in house prices is quite right. House prices 10% lower than they were predicted to be isn't unreasonable. Unless you live in London, this seems to have occurred.
When are you going to be honest and mark their homework (scaremongering)?
Or more likely, are you simply embarrassed that you were suckered in by their predictions?
Oddly I seem to remember Farage saying oretty much this within a week or so.
Foreword of the document linked here:
This paper focuses on the immediate economic impact of a vote to leave and the two years that follow
Grade E- - Lowest grade possible as we can now mark Project Fear with hindsight
The pound did drop like a stone. Still well down on what it was against the dollar.
What am missing? Was there some good news?
Please point me to the recession that this document says was expected (highlighted text), and note the commentary "far worse".
That last sentence was purely designed to create fear.
But according to you and many others this was not a lie...0 -
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2019/03/22/uk-economy-since-the-brexit-vote-slower-gdp-growth-lower-productivity-and-a-weaker-pound/
Says reading time 5 minutes, so you should be able to digest it in your lunch hour.
The main difference I can see is that the pain has been long and drawn out vs. a recession and, like frogs in boiling water, you haven't really noticed.0 -
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You are referencing a blog from two authors who already have a prior remainer position so their blog is going to biased to fit their alreadyFirst.Aspect said:https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2019/03/22/uk-economy-since-the-brexit-vote-slower-gdp-growth-lower-productivity-and-a-weaker-pound/
Says reading time 5 minutes, so you should be able to digest it in your lunch hour.
The main difference I can see is that the pain has been long and drawn out vs. a recession and, like frogs in boiling water, you haven't really noticed.
Eg Josh De Lyon retweeting remoaners James O'Brien and Guy Verhofstadt-1 -
Perhaps they are Remainers because as economists, they studied it and saw that it was a really, really bad idea.coopster_the_1st said:
You are referencing a blog from two authors who already have a prior remainer position so their blog is going to biased to fit their alreadyFirst.Aspect said:https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2019/03/22/uk-economy-since-the-brexit-vote-slower-gdp-growth-lower-productivity-and-a-weaker-pound/
Says reading time 5 minutes, so you should be able to digest it in your lunch hour.
The main difference I can see is that the pain has been long and drawn out vs. a recession and, like frogs in boiling water, you haven't really noticed.
Eg Josh De Lyon retweeting remoaners James O'Brien and Guy Verhofstadt
The problem you have is that you have made up your mind and you only listen to anything that confirms what you already think. The rest is just biased or made up.
Sound familiar, Donald?0 -
whilst I admire your persistence, you are only wasting your own time, he is paid to do this.First.Aspect said:
Perhaps they are Remainers because as economists, they studied it and saw that it was a really, really bad idea.coopster_the_1st said:
You are referencing a blog from two authors who already have a prior remainer position so their blog is going to biased to fit their alreadyFirst.Aspect said:https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2019/03/22/uk-economy-since-the-brexit-vote-slower-gdp-growth-lower-productivity-and-a-weaker-pound/
Says reading time 5 minutes, so you should be able to digest it in your lunch hour.
The main difference I can see is that the pain has been long and drawn out vs. a recession and, like frogs in boiling water, you haven't really noticed.
Eg Josh De Lyon retweeting remoaners James O'Brien and Guy Verhofstadt
The problem you have is that you have made up your mind and you only listen to anything that confirms what you already think. The rest is just biased or made up.
Sound familiar, Donald?0 -
I'll ask the original question again. Can you point out the recession predicted in the document? (screen was provided)First.Aspect said:
Perhaps they are Remainers because as economists, they studied it and saw that it was a really, really bad idea.coopster_the_1st said:
You are referencing a blog from two authors who already have a prior remainer position so their blog is going to biased to fit their alreadyFirst.Aspect said:https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2019/03/22/uk-economy-since-the-brexit-vote-slower-gdp-growth-lower-productivity-and-a-weaker-pound/
Says reading time 5 minutes, so you should be able to digest it in your lunch hour.
The main difference I can see is that the pain has been long and drawn out vs. a recession and, like frogs in boiling water, you haven't really noticed.
Eg Josh De Lyon retweeting remoaners James O'Brien and Guy Verhofstadt
The problem you have is that you have made up your mind and you only listen to anything that confirms what you already think. The rest is just biased or made up.
Sound familiar, Donald?
The answer is not some blog written by remainer economists as some sort of distraction. There was no recession highlighted in your linked blog.0 -
It's been going on for a few weeks. I'm finding it funnyFirst.Aspect said:Who IS flagging Coopster?
And said wokey dokey is not man enough to admit they are doing it 0 -
I did flag the ones where there was personal abuse. Not the ones where it was just random Brexit greatest hits in the wrong thread. That is a bit weird.0
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All I know is that it is a hypocritical remoaner. However, that does not narrow it down much on this sitekingstongraham said:I did flag the ones where there was personal abuse. Not the ones where it was just random Brexit greatest hits in the wrong thread. That is a bit weird.
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As man enough not respond to Orloons challenges. I flagged you because I felt like it.coopster_the_1st said:
It's been going on for a few weeks. I'm finding it funnyFirst.Aspect said:Who IS flagging Coopster?
And said wokey dokey is not man enough to admit they are doing it1 -
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Trump has another 5 hours to decide whether he wants a recount in Michigan - but it'll cost him $8 million. Interested to see whether he'll bother.
Apparently he considered ordering a strike on nuclear sites in Iran https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-54972269
Suppose he is just thinking about sh!tting on the floor on his way out...0 -
He lost by 147,000 votes in Michigan. Why bother?bobmcstuff said:Trump has another 5 hours to decide whether he wants a recount in Michigan - but it'll cost him $8 million. Interested to see whether he'll bother.
Apparently he considered ordering a strike on nuclear sites in Iran https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-54972269
Suppose he is just thinking about sh!tting on the floor on his way out...
But if I were Michigan I'd insist on payment up front. You know what he's like.0 -
An ex colleague left a "deposit" in his desk drawer when paid off.bobmcstuff said:
Suppose he is just thinking about sh!tting on the floor on his way out...
Wasn't noticed until the smell began to escape the plastic bag. 😱😱🤬The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
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When it costs more in fuel getting the food than the food costs you have to question your Yankee Doodle lifestyle.rick_chasey said:0 -
Maybe that's why everyone's favourite pretend Texan forumite has disappeared. He seems to be a wannabee method actor so is probably sat in his car in Milton Keynes pretending he's queuing for food.0
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No he will be out on his Bianchi.1
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That’s the federal officer in charge of election security.
Well it was because Trump sacked him after this tweet.0 -
I'd have just told Trump the Democrats hacked my account and kept my job for a couple more months.0
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No, he has flown his airplane to DC and is having trouble finding parking. Currently on his Brompton cycling down to the protests from a remote air strip in Maine.Pross said:Maybe that's why everyone's favourite pretend Texan forumite has disappeared. He seems to be a wannabee method actor so is probably sat in his car in Milton Keynes pretending he's queuing for food.
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