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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    coopster_the_1st said:

    Remoaners are still in denial that their side lied as well. If Trump supporters did this they would be rightly lambasted, but remoaners give out a free pass to lies their side told.

    Remoaners are getting more like Trump supporters every day...

    What lies? That the EU would circle the wagons and be hard on anyone leaving? That the economy would be worse off?
  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    edited November 2020
    First.Aspect said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    Remoaners are still in denial that their side lied as well. If Trump supporters did this they would be rightly lambasted, but remoaners give out a free pass to lies their side told.

    Remoaners are getting more like Trump supporters every day...

    What lies? That the EU would circle the wagons and be hard on anyone leaving? That the economy would be worse off?
    The best thing is we can call out the remain side lies as they have been proven to be wrong. Which economy lie do you want?

    I'll start with these two:
    - 10% drop in house prices
    - 800k people additional unemployed

    A longer list is available from the May 2016 treasury document that you can google

    Are you still in denial that you fell for this government created hysteria?
  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    Must admit that whilst the leave side told shoppers that even Trump wouldn't utter the remain side did go over the top with project fear.

    However judging by how poor their campaign team were I'm actually not sure if that was actually lying or that they simply didn't know what they were talking about. If the latter then it's frightening considering they had most of the government machine behind them. I do seem to recall thinking that the remain side were pretty shit and were taking a strong argument to a weak conclusion by exaggerating things the way they did. If only they had played up how difficult leave was going to be and how no deal would be possible. Perhaps they'd win more floaters. But that's raking up ancient history now.

    The reality was leave gave one obviously, humongous lie and stuck with it even when so clearly caught out. The fact it worked was amazing. Then we got Trump and realised how easy that really was. Could you say that Brexit helped spawn Trump the POTUS? They did get the blatant lying thing in first afterall.

    Just musing on ancient political history.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    This is all very interesting for the brexit thread if the winners can't accept the result.

    For left/right, trump 2016 campaigned on a very interventionist spending policy, particularly on infrastructure investment, and especially if you believed he was going to make public healthcare more comprehensive and cheaper.

    Culturally somewhat less than liberal, obviously, and his taxation policies didn't add up.

    In reality, obviously infrastructure week became a running joke, and he had no healthcare plan, so all that happened was tax cuts, farm subsidies and massive debt.
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    tangled_metal said:

    Must admit that whilst the leave side told shoppers that even Trump wouldn't utter the remain side did go over the top with project fear.

    However judging by how poor their campaign team were I'm actually not sure if that was actually lying or that they simply didn't know what they were talking about. If the latter then it's frightening considering they had most of the government machine behind them. I do seem to recall thinking that the remain side were pretty censored and were taking a strong argument to a weak conclusion by exaggerating things the way they did. If only they had played up how difficult leave was going to be and how no deal would be possible. Perhaps they'd win more floaters. But that's raking up ancient history now.

    The reality was leave gave one obviously, humongous lie and stuck with it even when so clearly caught out. The fact it worked was amazing. Then we got Trump and realised how easy that really was. Could you say that Brexit helped spawn Trump the POTUS? They did get the blatant lying thing in first afterall.

    Just musing on ancient political history.

    Lying - or at the very least massively exaggerating the benefits of whatever it is you're trying to get people to vote for - is pretty much par for the course in politics isn't it?

    Telling everyone the vote was rigged and fraudulent is not the same thing!

    (While Vote Leave did break campaign spending laws that's still not the same as stuffing ballots with Leave votes.)
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    Trump broke campaign laws in 2016 - his lawyer went to jail! And still literally nobody said the election result should be thrown out and Clinton installed as president.

    He also broke the law in 2020 in order to improve his electoral chances, which is why he got impeached. And then still got his behind handed to him by the "worst candidate in history".
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    coopster_the_1st said:

    First.Aspect said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    Remoaners are still in denial that their side lied as well. If Trump supporters did this they would be rightly lambasted, but remoaners give out a free pass to lies their side told.

    Remoaners are getting more like Trump supporters every day...

    What lies? That the EU would circle the wagons and be hard on anyone leaving? That the economy would be worse off?
    The best thing is we can call out the remain side lies as they have been proven to be wrong. Which economy lie do you want?

    I'll start with these two:
    - 10% drop in house prices
    - 800k people additional unemployed

    A longer list is available from the May 2016 treasury document that you can google

    Are you still in denial that you fell for this government created hysteria?
    For all practicable purposes, we haven't left yet. Give it time.

    I don't think a 10% drop in house prices is quite right. House prices 10% lower than they were predicted to be isn't unreasonable. Unless you live in London, this seems to have occurred.
  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    First.Aspect said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    First.Aspect said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    Remoaners are still in denial that their side lied as well. If Trump supporters did this they would be rightly lambasted, but remoaners give out a free pass to lies their side told.

    Remoaners are getting more like Trump supporters every day...

    What lies? That the EU would circle the wagons and be hard on anyone leaving? That the economy would be worse off?
    The best thing is we can call out the remain side lies as they have been proven to be wrong. Which economy lie do you want?

    I'll start with these two:
    - 10% drop in house prices
    - 800k people additional unemployed

    A longer list is available from the May 2016 treasury document that you can google

    Are you still in denial that you fell for this government created hysteria?
    For all practicable purposes, we haven't left yet. Give it time.

    I don't think a 10% drop in house prices is quite right. House prices 10% lower than they were predicted to be isn't unreasonable. Unless you live in London, this seems to have occurred.
    These were predictions upon just voting to leave, so let's say by 2018 to be generous.

    When are you going to be honest and mark their homework (scaremongering)?

    Or more likely, are you simply embarrassed that you were suckered in by their predictions?
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,227
    Uk left the EU on 31st December 2019 and moved into a 1 year transition phase when essentially business as usual. Brexsh1t has not happened yet. Economic effects are not yet visible, though some relatively minor international co retrenchments have taken place. The full impact of the liars 'win' will take time to develop. But no worries, the liars can blame C19.
  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    edited November 2020
    orraloon said:

    Uk left the EU on 31st December 2019 and moved into a 1 year transition phase when essentially business as usual. Brexsh1t has not happened yet. Economic effects are not yet visible, though some relatively minor international co retrenchments have taken place. The full impact of the liars 'win' will take time to develop. But no worries, the liars can blame C19.

    You can't even get the dates right.

    Been drinking since breakfast again?!?
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,227
    Oh pixx off Botster. You could always try 'holding my feet to the fire'. Come and have a go if you think you're hard enough.
  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    orraloon said:

    Oh pixx off Botster. You could always try 'holding my feet to the fire'. Come and have a go if you think you're hard enough.

    You are an old, lonely, drunk!

    I've beaten you already as I am none of the sad description above

  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    Back to the point at hand:

    Georgia recount 2/3 done, no meaningful changes.

    Haven't we got more than enough Brexit threads already?
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    coopster_the_1st said:

    First.Aspect said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    First.Aspect said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    Remoaners are still in denial that their side lied as well. If Trump supporters did this they would be rightly lambasted, but remoaners give out a free pass to lies their side told.

    Remoaners are getting more like Trump supporters every day...

    What lies? That the EU would circle the wagons and be hard on anyone leaving? That the economy would be worse off?
    The best thing is we can call out the remain side lies as they have been proven to be wrong. Which economy lie do you want?

    I'll start with these two:
    - 10% drop in house prices
    - 800k people additional unemployed

    A longer list is available from the May 2016 treasury document that you can google

    Are you still in denial that you fell for this government created hysteria?
    For all practicable purposes, we haven't left yet. Give it time.

    I don't think a 10% drop in house prices is quite right. House prices 10% lower than they were predicted to be isn't unreasonable. Unless you live in London, this seems to have occurred.
    These were predictions upon just voting to leave, so let's say by 2018 to be generous.

    When are you going to be honest and mark their homework (scaremongering)?

    Or more likely, are you simply embarrassed that you were suckered in by their predictions?
    No, they weren't. They didnt factor in all of the provaracation, but only a numpty would expect to wake up on the day after the vote and think the fact nithing has changed yet meant everything was okay.

    Oddly I seem to remember Farage saying oretty much this within a week or so.
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,227
    coopster_the_1st said:

    orraloon said:

    Oh pixx off Botster. You could always try 'holding my feet to the fire'. Come and have a go if you think you're hard enough.

    You are an old, lonely, drunk!

    I've beaten you already as I am none of the sad description above

    Not me that's flagging you. Come on keyboard warrior, any time any place. You're surely not scared of, how did you put it, oh yeah an old lonely drunk? Or is all you can do is just type sh1t in your bedroom or your mummy's basement?
  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    edited November 2020
    First.Aspect said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    First.Aspect said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    First.Aspect said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    Remoaners are still in denial that their side lied as well. If Trump supporters did this they would be rightly lambasted, but remoaners give out a free pass to lies their side told.

    Remoaners are getting more like Trump supporters every day...

    What lies? That the EU would circle the wagons and be hard on anyone leaving? That the economy would be worse off?
    The best thing is we can call out the remain side lies as they have been proven to be wrong. Which economy lie do you want?

    I'll start with these two:
    - 10% drop in house prices
    - 800k people additional unemployed

    A longer list is available from the May 2016 treasury document that you can google

    Are you still in denial that you fell for this government created hysteria?
    For all practicable purposes, we haven't left yet. Give it time.

    I don't think a 10% drop in house prices is quite right. House prices 10% lower than they were predicted to be isn't unreasonable. Unless you live in London, this seems to have occurred.
    These were predictions upon just voting to leave, so let's say by 2018 to be generous.

    When are you going to be honest and mark their homework (scaremongering)?

    Or more likely, are you simply embarrassed that you were suckered in by their predictions?
    No, they weren't. They didnt factor in all of the provaracation, but only a numpty would expect to wake up on the day after the vote and think the fact nithing has changed yet meant everything was okay.

    Oddly I seem to remember Farage saying oretty much this within a week or so.
    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/hm-treasury-analysis-the-immediate-economic-impact-of-leaving-the-eu

    Foreword of the document linked here:

    This paper focuses on the immediate economic impact of a vote to leave and the two years that follow

    Grade E- - Lowest grade possible as we can now mark Project Fear with hindsight
  • veronese68
    veronese68 Posts: 27,814
    Well, he did say only a numpty
    Kinesis Pro6
    Marin Nail Trail
    Cotic Solaris
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    Trump's legal genius


  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    coopster_the_1st said:

    First.Aspect said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    First.Aspect said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    First.Aspect said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    Remoaners are still in denial that their side lied as well. If Trump supporters did this they would be rightly lambasted, but remoaners give out a free pass to lies their side told.

    Remoaners are getting more like Trump supporters every day...

    What lies? That the EU would circle the wagons and be hard on anyone leaving? That the economy would be worse off?
    The best thing is we can call out the remain side lies as they have been proven to be wrong. Which economy lie do you want?

    I'll start with these two:
    - 10% drop in house prices
    - 800k people additional unemployed

    A longer list is available from the May 2016 treasury document that you can google

    Are you still in denial that you fell for this government created hysteria?
    For all practicable purposes, we haven't left yet. Give it time.

    I don't think a 10% drop in house prices is quite right. House prices 10% lower than they were predicted to be isn't unreasonable. Unless you live in London, this seems to have occurred.
    These were predictions upon just voting to leave, so let's say by 2018 to be generous.

    When are you going to be honest and mark their homework (scaremongering)?

    Or more likely, are you simply embarrassed that you were suckered in by their predictions?
    No, they weren't. They didnt factor in all of the provaracation, but only a numpty would expect to wake up on the day after the vote and think the fact nithing has changed yet meant everything was okay.

    Oddly I seem to remember Farage saying oretty much this within a week or so.
    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/hm-treasury-analysis-the-immediate-economic-impact-of-leaving-the-eu

    Foreword of the document linked here:

    This paper focuses on the immediate economic impact of a vote to leave and the two years that follow

    Grade E- - Lowest grade possible as we can now mark Project Fear with hindsight
    The GDP projections, over two years look not far out to me. 3.6% over two years. I dont recall anything other than downgrades over that period.

    The pound did drop like a stone. Still well down on what it was against the dollar.

    What am missing? Was there some good news?
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    Who IS flagging Coopster?
  • john80
    john80 Posts: 2,965
    edited November 2020
    sungod said:

    john80 said:

    First.Aspect said:

    john80 said:

    bobmcstuff said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    kingstongraham said:

    ballysmate said:

    tailwindhome said:

    Democracy doesn't stop fixed for ever more after one vote at one moment in time.

    Trump supporters are every bit as entitled to protest as Remainers were.

    They're every bit as entitled to oppose the new President's agenda as parliament was to oppose the May's Brexit deal.




    I'm not sure what's complicated.


    100%
    But it seems some posters on here don't like the idea that they are like Trump supporters.
    I don't think many disputed the result, maybe I'm mistaken.
    More denial...

    If you can find any evidence on here of Remainers making allegations of ballot stuffing and fraud, well, go ahead. I thought Brexit was a stupid idea in 2016, I still think so now, but I've never tried to suggest there was widespread election fraud... I don't remember that coming up on here but then again I haven't been in the Brexit thread for some time.

    There's a difference between thinking we voted for something completely stupid and questioning the integrity of the vote itself. But you know that.
    Whilst there are little to no remainers claiming the referendum was rigged. How many remainers have claimed that people who voted to leave were lied to, could not understand what they were voting for or were just too dumb to understand the arguments etc etc.
    All that's true isn't it?
    In your head yes.
    nonsense

    it's a fact leavers were lied to
    it's a fact leavers didn't know what they were voting for beyond 'leave the eu'
    after years i've yet to hear any leaver explain why it's factually (rather than jingoistically) a good idea

    the uk's problems are the creation of the uk's political system, leaving the eu will not solve them, it merely strips citizens of their rights and drives the uk further towards plutocracy
    I see you are blind to the remain campaigns lies. What's your argument. The remainers were cleverer and could see through those lies but the poor brexiteers didn't stand a chance.
  • john80
    john80 Posts: 2,965
    First.Aspect said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    First.Aspect said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    Remoaners are still in denial that their side lied as well. If Trump supporters did this they would be rightly lambasted, but remoaners give out a free pass to lies their side told.

    Remoaners are getting more like Trump supporters every day...

    What lies? That the EU would circle the wagons and be hard on anyone leaving? That the economy would be worse off?
    The best thing is we can call out the remain side lies as they have been proven to be wrong. Which economy lie do you want?

    I'll start with these two:
    - 10% drop in house prices
    - 800k people additional unemployed

    A longer list is available from the May 2016 treasury document that you can google

    Are you still in denial that you fell for this government created hysteria?
    For all practicable purposes, we haven't left yet. Give it time.

    I don't think a 10% drop in house prices is quite right. House prices 10% lower than they were predicted to be isn't unreasonable. Unless you live in London, this seems to have occurred.
    Record house prices the other month and relying on a pandemic to get close to your unemployed numbers.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    john80 said:

    First.Aspect said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    First.Aspect said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    Remoaners are still in denial that their side lied as well. If Trump supporters did this they would be rightly lambasted, but remoaners give out a free pass to lies their side told.

    Remoaners are getting more like Trump supporters every day...

    What lies? That the EU would circle the wagons and be hard on anyone leaving? That the economy would be worse off?
    The best thing is we can call out the remain side lies as they have been proven to be wrong. Which economy lie do you want?

    I'll start with these two:
    - 10% drop in house prices
    - 800k people additional unemployed

    A longer list is available from the May 2016 treasury document that you can google

    Are you still in denial that you fell for this government created hysteria?
    For all practicable purposes, we haven't left yet. Give it time.

    I don't think a 10% drop in house prices is quite right. House prices 10% lower than they were predicted to be isn't unreasonable. Unless you live in London, this seems to have occurred.
    Record house prices the other month and relying on a pandemic to get close to your unemployed numbers.
    Where? London and the SE? How is it going in Sunderland? You need to get out more. Not sure house prices were in that particular report, and nit building houses is a good way to keep that warm glow of wealth going isn't it. Literally money for nothing.

    Unemployment is an odd one. There is a fair amount of under employment. Quantity not quality?
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    First.Aspect said:

    Who IS flagging Coopster?

    Don't know but some of it is bizarre and if they really want anything done when he does resort to personal abuse going into cry wolf mode probably isn't the way to do it (not that the mods will do anything unless he's advertising without permission, anything else if fair game it seems).
  • john80
    john80 Posts: 2,965
    First.Aspect said:

    john80 said:

    First.Aspect said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    First.Aspect said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    Remoaners are still in denial that their side lied as well. If Trump supporters did this they would be rightly lambasted, but remoaners give out a free pass to lies their side told.

    Remoaners are getting more like Trump supporters every day...

    What lies? That the EU would circle the wagons and be hard on anyone leaving? That the economy would be worse off?
    The best thing is we can call out the remain side lies as they have been proven to be wrong. Which economy lie do you want?

    I'll start with these two:
    - 10% drop in house prices
    - 800k people additional unemployed

    A longer list is available from the May 2016 treasury document that you can google

    Are you still in denial that you fell for this government created hysteria?
    For all practicable purposes, we haven't left yet. Give it time.

    I don't think a 10% drop in house prices is quite right. House prices 10% lower than they were predicted to be isn't unreasonable. Unless you live in London, this seems to have occurred.
    Record house prices the other month and relying on a pandemic to get close to your unemployed numbers.
    Where? London and the SE? How is it going in Sunderland? You need to get out more. Not sure house prices were in that particular report, and nit building houses is a good way to keep that warm glow of wealth going isn't it. Literally money for nothing.

    Unemployment is an odd one. There is a fair amount of under employment. Quantity not quality?
    So we were measuring house prices in a specific part of the UK versus the national average were you when you made the claim. Housebuilders are building houses and completing on them with there only being a delay due to materials or the original covid shutdown. You are tenuous at best. The figures are all there in the various building companies financial statements such as Redrow, Persimmon etc.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    Pross said:

    First.Aspect said:

    Who IS flagging Coopster?

    Don't know but some of it is bizarre and if they really want anything done when he does resort to personal abuse going into cry wolf mode probably isn't the way to do it (not that the mods will do anything unless he's advertising without permission, anything else if fair game it seems).
    Sure. Happy to disagree with people. Nothing flag-able in a good old Brexit spat.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    Can you be flagged for deviation?
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    john80 said:

    sungod said:

    john80 said:

    First.Aspect said:

    john80 said:

    bobmcstuff said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    kingstongraham said:

    ballysmate said:

    tailwindhome said:

    Democracy doesn't stop fixed for ever more after one vote at one moment in time.

    Trump supporters are every bit as entitled to protest as Remainers were.

    They're every bit as entitled to oppose the new President's agenda as parliament was to oppose the May's Brexit deal.




    I'm not sure what's complicated.


    100%
    But it seems some posters on here don't like the idea that they are like Trump supporters.
    I don't think many disputed the result, maybe I'm mistaken.
    More denial...

    If you can find any evidence on here of Remainers making allegations of ballot stuffing and fraud, well, go ahead. I thought Brexit was a stupid idea in 2016, I still think so now, but I've never tried to suggest there was widespread election fraud... I don't remember that coming up on here but then again I haven't been in the Brexit thread for some time.

    There's a difference between thinking we voted for something completely stupid and questioning the integrity of the vote itself. But you know that.
    Whilst there are little to no remainers claiming the referendum was rigged. How many remainers have claimed that people who voted to leave were lied to, could not understand what they were voting for or were just too dumb to understand the arguments etc etc.
    All that's true isn't it?
    In your head yes.
    nonsense

    it's a fact leavers were lied to
    it's a fact leavers didn't know what they were voting for beyond 'leave the eu'
    after years i've yet to hear any leaver explain why it's factually (rather than jingoistically) a good idea

    the uk's problems are the creation of the uk's political system, leaving the eu will not solve them, it merely strips citizens of their rights and drives the uk further towards plutocracy
    I see you are blind to the remain campaigns lies. What's your argument. The remainers were cleverer and could see through those lies but the poor brexiteers didn't stand a chance.
    I would put the Remain side arguments more towards "massive exaggeration" whereas the Leave side arguments in the realm of "outright lies", personally - but this is angels dancing on pinheads. And the Leave side definitely did break election spending law.

    It's still not comparable to the Trump campaign alleging actual voting fraud, which is what we were originally talking about.........................
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    Back to Trump - the recount in Georgia has made some difference:

    Too little too late though as the recount is almost finished.

    Seems that Trump will then be able to request another recount, but this wouldn't be a full manual recount like this - it would be a check by machine.

    Apparently some Republicans privately acknowledging they might have been better off in Georgia without Trump on the ballot (seems kind of obvious to me in a lot of places, as Republicans heavily outperformed Trump in the House and Senate races further down the ballot in a lot of areas). Particularly in the suburbs.

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