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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    coopster_the_1st said:

    Going to call this now that this thread is going to be fun tomorrow :smiley:


    Did you enjoy?
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,328
    edited November 2020
    briantrumpet said:

    pblakeney said:

    ddraver said:

    Us Britz aren't gonna learn anything more tonight right..?

    Ah well. Looks like this isn't worth a nightshift.

    I gave up at about midnight, and the number of electoral college votes was exactly the same on the Graun at 8am. Glad I gave up.
    I went to bed at the usual time. This is just something toggled on t'internet in the background as a non-'merican. Interesting, but it can wait. 😉
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Possibly one for the trivial things that intrigue you thread but why is it that Democrats are apparently far more likely to vote by post?
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,328
    edited November 2020
    Pross said:

    The elected President of a supposedly democratic western country making comments that only serve to cause division and encourage violence is pretty frightening but we all new it would come to that didn't we?


    Yup! He literally said so in advance.
    Biden wins - Fraud. Trump wins - The people have spoken. That's how he sees it.

    PS - A bad winner turning into a bad loser isn't a surprise.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    edited November 2020
    Pross said:

    Possibly one for the trivial things that intrigue you thread but why is it that Democrats are apparently far more likely to vote by post?

    They are (on average) younger, so don't have the connection to in person voting, more likely to have jobs/commitments that make it difficult to get to the polls, more likely to be in areas that have reduced polling places. And also this time, trump has been saying for months that mail in voting is open to massive fraud.

    Also this year, more likely to take the pandemic seriously.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    Pross said:

    Possibly one for the trivial things that intrigue you thread but why is it that Democrats are apparently far more likely to vote by post?

    Easy, Trump.has been saying it is fraudulant and downplays Covid. Biden hasnt. Democrats more likely to listen to Biden.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,349
    Quite a statement on where the Republican Party finds itself now:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/stuartpstevens/status/1324161312323067906
    https://www.facebook.com/unanglaisendiois
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,554
    As a bit of a diversion a thread on the link between Cretaceous geology and voting patterns.

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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    First.Aspect said:

    Pross said:

    Possibly one for the trivial things that intrigue you thread but why is it that Democrats are apparently far more likely to vote by post?

    Easy, Trump.has been saying it is fraudulant and downplays Covid. Biden hasnt. Democrats more likely to listen to Biden.
    Yes but my understanding is that it has historically been the case though.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    kingstongraham said:

    Pross said:

    Possibly one for the trivial things that intrigue you thread but why is it that Democrats are apparently far more likely to vote by post?

    They are (on average) younger, so don't have the connection to in person voting, more likely to have jobs/commitments that make it difficult to get to the polls, more likely to be in areas that have reduced polling places. And also this time, trump has been saying for months that mail in voting is open to massive fraud.

    Also this year, more likely to take the pandemic seriously.
    That makes sense although with the bit in bold I had assumed that those in more rural areas that are generally more likely to vote Republican which was one of the reasons I found it interesting that it was Democrats rather than Republicans that were more likely to vote remotely.

  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    edited November 2020
    kingstongraham said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    Going to call this now that this thread is going to be fun tomorrow :smiley:


    Did you enjoy?
    I was out most of yesterday but the thread delivered yesterday morning. With little changing since then the next batch of popcorn has been put on hold.

    It now just feels the remaining states are in a sort of competition with each other on who will be the state to declare to get the winner over the line and thus be always recognised for this.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    coopster_the_1st said:

    kingstongraham said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    Going to call this now that this thread is going to be fun tomorrow :smiley:


    Did you enjoy?
    I was out most of yesterday but the thread delivered yesterday morning. With little changing since then the next batch of popcorn has been put on hold.

    It now just feels the remaining states are in a sort of competition with each other on who will be the state to declare to get the winner over the line and thus be always recognised for this.
    You're easily pleased.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    Pross said:

    kingstongraham said:

    Pross said:

    Possibly one for the trivial things that intrigue you thread but why is it that Democrats are apparently far more likely to vote by post?

    They are (on average) younger, so don't have the connection to in person voting, more likely to have jobs/commitments that make it difficult to get to the polls, more likely to be in areas that have reduced polling places. And also this time, trump has been saying for months that mail in voting is open to massive fraud.

    Also this year, more likely to take the pandemic seriously.
    That makes sense although with the bit in bold I had assumed that those in more rural areas that are generally more likely to vote Republican which was one of the reasons I found it interesting that it was Democrats rather than Republicans that were more likely to vote remotely.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/02/texas-polling-sites-closures-voting

    It looks like more people per polling location in more Democrat leaning areas, as a Republican policy. At the moment, there is no ambition from Republicans to be the party that gets the most votes.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    rick_chasey said:

    Lie and use expensive lawyers to browbeat the opposition.

    Trump’s MO.

    Who actually funds the law suits he's issuing? Presumably it can't be funded by public money.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Lie and use expensive lawyers to browbeat the opposition.

    Trump’s MO.

    Who actually funds the law suits he's issuing? Presumably it can't be funded by public money.
  • sungod
    sungod Posts: 17,348
    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Lie and use expensive lawyers to browbeat the opposition.

    Trump’s MO.

    Who actually funds the law suits he's issuing? Presumably it can't be funded by public money.
    he's heavily funded by the 'elite' that he claims to be fighting on behalf of his adoring base (the ones he describes as 'disgusting')

    the adelsons alone bunged him another 75m a few weeks ago, on top of at least twice that over the last few years, plenty of others of that ilk spending heavily

    the tab on law suits will come due down the road, but if he's successful it won't matter what the source is, his track record shows he'll blatantly obstruct prosecution, and if necessary pardon those involved, if he's unsuccessful he'll simply say it wasn't him paying, he never knew the sources etc.
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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    Pross said:

    First.Aspect said:

    Pross said:

    Possibly one for the trivial things that intrigue you thread but why is it that Democrats are apparently far more likely to vote by post?

    Easy, Trump.has been saying it is fraudulant and downplays Covid. Biden hasnt. Democrats more likely to listen to Biden.
    Yes but my understanding is that it has historically been the case though.
    Democrats also disproportionately popular in the cities. So more people find it in onvenient to vote in person. If you live rurally you are more likely to just pull uo and vote, or the more likely you are to determine your own working hours?

    I actually don't know. 😗
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    Got sent to me this morning.
    I am looking to seriously lower the quality of input to this thread. One voters viewpoint with suitably eloquent oration.
    (in other words, not for the easily offended)

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  • swjohnsey
    swjohnsey Posts: 263
    The election turns on Nevada. Trump still still stands a slim chance of pulling it off as many of the uncounted votes are from rural counties and likely to go Republican. If Biden wins Nevada the election is in the bag as he will have the requisite 270 electoral votes.

    When you look at a map of the counties of the U.S. you see a sea of red (Republican) and a few blue (Democrat) dots. The blue dots are cities. Blacks and Hispanics who make up about 1/3rd of the population are drawn to cities. Blacks vote Democrat over 90%, Hispanics probably 80%. In the 2016 election, Clinton won the popular vote and 487 counties. Trump won 2,626 counties.

    It looks like the senate will remain in Republican control. Republicans picked up strength in the house. As was demonstrated by the Democrats with the Trump administration, not much can happen without the cooperation of the other party. The president has very limited powers. He can't spend a dime that has not been appropriated by congress. Congress can't appropriate any money without the consent of the senate.
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,560
    National exit poll showed Hispanics / Latinos 65% democrat, 32% Republican
    In Florida that was 52% / 47%
    Black vote nationally is 87% / 12% which is hardly surprising
  • feelgoodlost
    feelgoodlost Posts: 337
    swjohnsey said:

    The election turns on Nevada. Trump still still stands a slim chance of pulling it off as many of the uncounted votes are from rural counties and likely to go Republican. If Biden wins Nevada the election is in the bag as he will have the requisite 270 electoral votes.

    When you look at a map of the counties of the U.S. you see a sea of red (Republican) and a few blue (Democrat) dots. The blue dots are cities. Blacks and Hispanics who make up about 1/3rd of the population are drawn to cities. Blacks vote Democrat over 90%, Hispanics probably 80%. In the 2016 election, Clinton won the popular vote and 487 counties. Trump won 2,626 counties.

    It looks like the senate will remain in Republican control. Republicans picked up strength in the house. As was demonstrated by the Democrats with the Trump administration, not much can happen without the cooperation of the other party. The president has very limited powers. He can't spend a dime that has not been appropriated by congress. Congress can't appropriate any money without the consent of the senate.

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  • swjohnsey
    swjohnsey Posts: 263
    feelgoodlost said:

    swjohnsey said:

    The election turns on Nevada. Trump still still stands a slim chance of pulling it off as many of the uncounted votes are from rural counties and likely to go Republican. If Biden wins Nevada the election is in the bag as he will have the requisite 270 electoral votes.

    When you look at a map of the counties of the U.S. you see a sea of red (Republican) and a few blue (Democrat) dots. The blue dots are cities. Blacks and Hispanics who make up about 1/3rd of the population are drawn to cities. Blacks vote Democrat over 90%, Hispanics probably 80%. In the 2016 election, Clinton won the popular vote and 487 counties. Trump won 2,626 counties.

    It looks like the senate will remain in Republican control. Republicans picked up strength in the house. As was demonstrated by the Democrats with the Trump administration, not much can happen without the cooperation of the other party. The president has very limited powers. He can't spend a dime that has not been appropriated by congress. Congress can't appropriate any money without the consent of the senate.

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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    swjohnsey said:

    The election turns on Nevada. Trump still still stands a slim chance of pulling it off as many of the uncounted votes are from rural counties and likely to go Republican. If Biden wins Nevada the election is in the bag as he will have the requisite 270 electoral votes.

    When you look at a map of the counties of the U.S. you see a sea of red (Republican) and a few blue (Democrat) dots. The blue dots are cities. Blacks and Hispanics who make up about 1/3rd of the population are drawn to cities. Blacks vote Democrat over 90%, Hispanics probably 80%. In the 2016 election, Clinton won the popular vote and 487 counties. Trump won 2,626 counties.

    It looks like the senate will remain in Republican control. Republicans picked up strength in the house. As was demonstrated by the Democrats with the Trump administration, not much can happen without the cooperation of the other party. The president has very limited powers. He can't spend a dime that has not been appropriated by congress. Congress can't appropriate any money without the consent of the senate.

    Think your county is going to end up D or R?
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    swjohnsey said:

    The election turns on Nevada. Trump still still stands a slim chance of pulling it off as many of the uncounted votes are from rural counties and likely to go Republican. If Biden wins Nevada the election is in the bag as he will have the requisite 270 electoral votes.

    When you look at a map of the counties of the U.S. you see a sea of red (Republican) and a few blue (Democrat) dots. The blue dots are cities. Blacks and Hispanics who make up about 1/3rd of the population are drawn to cities. Blacks vote Democrat over 90%, Hispanics probably 80%. In the 2016 election, Clinton won the popular vote and 487 counties. Trump won 2,626 counties.

    It looks like the senate will remain in Republican control. Republicans picked up strength in the house. As was demonstrated by the Democrats with the Trump administration, not much can happen without the cooperation of the other party. The president has very limited powers. He can't spend a dime that has not been appropriated by congress. Congress can't appropriate any money without the consent of the senate.

    So being President is basically pointless unless you have the Senate and Congress? That would explain why Trump doesn't seem overly bothered by the prospect of losing.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    Georgia looks likely to go to a run off in both senate seats - Dems would need to take both of them to end up with 50-50 (and control assuming Biden wins. The amount of money that goes into getting out the vote in that is going to be insane.

    That's on the assumption Alaska goes with a Republican (and nothing weird happens in North Carolina.
  • swjohnsey
    swjohnsey Posts: 263
    kingstongraham said:

    swjohnsey said:

    The election turns on Nevada. Trump still still stands a slim chance of pulling it off as many of the uncounted votes are from rural counties and likely to go Republican. If Biden wins Nevada the election is in the bag as he will have the requisite 270 electoral votes.

    When you look at a map of the counties of the U.S. you see a sea of red (Republican) and a few blue (Democrat) dots. The blue dots are cities. Blacks and Hispanics who make up about 1/3rd of the population are drawn to cities. Blacks vote Democrat over 90%, Hispanics probably 80%. In the 2016 election, Clinton won the popular vote and 487 counties. Trump won 2,626 counties.

    It looks like the senate will remain in Republican control. Republicans picked up strength in the house. As was demonstrated by the Democrats with the Trump administration, not much can happen without the cooperation of the other party. The president has very limited powers. He can't spend a dime that has not been appropriated by congress. Congress can't appropriate any money without the consent of the senate.

    Think your county is going to end up D or R?
    Neither, just like now. Odds are long for Trump to win re-election.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    Pross said:

    swjohnsey said:

    The election turns on Nevada. Trump still still stands a slim chance of pulling it off as many of the uncounted votes are from rural counties and likely to go Republican. If Biden wins Nevada the election is in the bag as he will have the requisite 270 electoral votes.

    When you look at a map of the counties of the U.S. you see a sea of red (Republican) and a few blue (Democrat) dots. The blue dots are cities. Blacks and Hispanics who make up about 1/3rd of the population are drawn to cities. Blacks vote Democrat over 90%, Hispanics probably 80%. In the 2016 election, Clinton won the popular vote and 487 counties. Trump won 2,626 counties.

    It looks like the senate will remain in Republican control. Republicans picked up strength in the house. As was demonstrated by the Democrats with the Trump administration, not much can happen without the cooperation of the other party. The president has very limited powers. He can't spend a dime that has not been appropriated by congress. Congress can't appropriate any money without the consent of the senate.

    So being President is basically pointless unless you have the Senate and Congress? That would explain why Trump doesn't seem overly bothered by the prospect of losing.
    Senate and presidency is most vital to what Trump/McConnell were doing. The judges are proposed by the president and approved by the senate into lifetime appointments - the house isn't involved. If you mould the judiciary to your view of how laws should be interpreted, then you mould the country for years to come. This is why McConnell did not allow a senate vote on so many judicial vacancies when Obama was in power - he saved them up.

    That said, Trump couldn't get his act together to pass anything much except for tax cuts, even when he did have house and senate for two years.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    swjohnsey said:

    kingstongraham said:

    swjohnsey said:

    The election turns on Nevada. Trump still still stands a slim chance of pulling it off as many of the uncounted votes are from rural counties and likely to go Republican. If Biden wins Nevada the election is in the bag as he will have the requisite 270 electoral votes.

    When you look at a map of the counties of the U.S. you see a sea of red (Republican) and a few blue (Democrat) dots. The blue dots are cities. Blacks and Hispanics who make up about 1/3rd of the population are drawn to cities. Blacks vote Democrat over 90%, Hispanics probably 80%. In the 2016 election, Clinton won the popular vote and 487 counties. Trump won 2,626 counties.

    It looks like the senate will remain in Republican control. Republicans picked up strength in the house. As was demonstrated by the Democrats with the Trump administration, not much can happen without the cooperation of the other party. The president has very limited powers. He can't spend a dime that has not been appropriated by congress. Congress can't appropriate any money without the consent of the senate.

    Think your county is going to end up D or R?
    Neither, just like now. Odds are long for Trump to win re-election.
    There are a few other senate seats coming up in 2021 aren't there? By that time Biden will be rolling out Trump's vaccine to the China virus and Trumps economic policies will be making for record employment. So the Republicans can take credit for that, surely.
  • swjohnsey
    swjohnsey Posts: 263
    Pross said:

    swjohnsey said:

    The election turns on Nevada. Trump still still stands a slim chance of pulling it off as many of the uncounted votes are from rural counties and likely to go Republican. If Biden wins Nevada the election is in the bag as he will have the requisite 270 electoral votes.

    When you look at a map of the counties of the U.S. you see a sea of red (Republican) and a few blue (Democrat) dots. The blue dots are cities. Blacks and Hispanics who make up about 1/3rd of the population are drawn to cities. Blacks vote Democrat over 90%, Hispanics probably 80%. In the 2016 election, Clinton won the popular vote and 487 counties. Trump won 2,626 counties.

    It looks like the senate will remain in Republican control. Republicans picked up strength in the house. As was demonstrated by the Democrats with the Trump administration, not much can happen without the cooperation of the other party. The president has very limited powers. He can't spend a dime that has not been appropriated by congress. Congress can't appropriate any money without the consent of the senate.

    So being President is basically pointless unless you have the Senate and Congress? That would explain why Trump doesn't seem overly bothered by the prospect of losing.
    Being president is cool. You get to live in a big house for free, private security, they play music when you enter the room. The president is the chief executive officer, he executes policies established by the legislature. I wonder what would happen if the senate just refused to confirm any of Biden's appointments should he be elected?
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    swjohnsey said:

    Pross said:

    swjohnsey said:

    The election turns on Nevada. Trump still still stands a slim chance of pulling it off as many of the uncounted votes are from rural counties and likely to go Republican. If Biden wins Nevada the election is in the bag as he will have the requisite 270 electoral votes.

    When you look at a map of the counties of the U.S. you see a sea of red (Republican) and a few blue (Democrat) dots. The blue dots are cities. Blacks and Hispanics who make up about 1/3rd of the population are drawn to cities. Blacks vote Democrat over 90%, Hispanics probably 80%. In the 2016 election, Clinton won the popular vote and 487 counties. Trump won 2,626 counties.

    It looks like the senate will remain in Republican control. Republicans picked up strength in the house. As was demonstrated by the Democrats with the Trump administration, not much can happen without the cooperation of the other party. The president has very limited powers. He can't spend a dime that has not been appropriated by congress. Congress can't appropriate any money without the consent of the senate.

    So being President is basically pointless unless you have the Senate and Congress? That would explain why Trump doesn't seem overly bothered by the prospect of losing.
    Being president is cool. You get to live in a big house for free, private security, they play music when you enter the room. The president is the chief executive officer, he executes policies established by the legislature. I wonder what would happen if the senate just refused to confirm any of Biden's appointments should he be elected?
    I think the point is that he won't be doing his best to destroy the global environment or destabilise every part of the world he's actually heard of. Your supreme court tends not to matter outside of the US, although I do feel bad for you.

    Btw although democratic representation by square mile (or by county) is an interesting concept, you do understand that more people live in cities than don't right?

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