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Is the rust belt factory worker better or worse off than 4 years ago?
That's your election.
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whether he is better or worse off is irrelevant, it is whether he thinks he is better off and whether he thinks he will be better off under Trump in the next 4 yearstailwindhome said:Is the rust belt factory worker better or worse off than 4 years ago?
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And whether (s)he seems a Trump win as a further bloody nose to the metropolitan elite.surrey_commuter said:
whether he is better or worse off is irrelevant, it is whether he thinks he is better off and whether he thinks he will be better off under Trump in the next 4 yearstailwindhome said:Is the rust belt factory worker better or worse off than 4 years ago?
That's your election.0 -
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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so I know two Trump voters, one of whom is a staunch Republican so we can ignore her. The other is a bright online commerce guy who is also an artist and volunteers in the local theatre. He loves Trump as he sees him as a fellow straight talking New Yorker. For well over a year I thought he was joking when talking about being pro-Trump.
Anyway I asked him how he sees it and this is his reply
The Dems have this set up to see how many more "mail in votes" they need to manufacture to steal a state.0 -
In one. Similar to this country the left have taken this vote for granted for decades and are now paying the price.surrey_commuter said:
whether he is better or worse off is irrelevant, it is whether he thinks he is better off and whether he thinks he will be better off under Trump in the next 4 yearstailwindhome said:Is the rust belt factory worker better or worse off than 4 years ago?
That's your election.
I'm traditionally a centre-left voter and find this heart-breaking.
Alan Johnson had it right after the election when he attacked Jon Lansmann and Momentum. He stated that the far left have always found the working class to be a disappointment and he's on the money. Until Labour and the Democrats engage with these disenfranchised voters who feel left behind they are going to keep losing elections. This section of society won't be as liberal as a lot on the left but for the so-called 'intellectual left' to brand them as morons, racists and thick is a disgrace.2 -
surrey_commuter said:
so I know two Trump voters, one of whom is a staunch Republican so we can ignore her. The other is a bright online commerce guy who is also an artist and volunteers in the local theatre. He loves Trump as he sees him as a fellow straight talking New Yorker. For well over a year I thought he was joking when talking about being pro-Trump.
Anyway I asked him how he sees it and this is his reply
The Dems have this set up to see how many more "mail in votes" they need to manufacture to steal a state.
I thought you said he was bright.Ben
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And there you are Ben, falling into exactly the 'trap' Skyblueamateur mentions above.Ben6899 said:surrey_commuter said:so I know two Trump voters, one of whom is a staunch Republican so we can ignore her. The other is a bright online commerce guy who is also an artist and volunteers in the local theatre. He loves Trump as he sees him as a fellow straight talking New Yorker. For well over a year I thought he was joking when talking about being pro-Trump.
Anyway I asked him how he sees it and this is his reply
The Dems have this set up to see how many more "mail in votes" they need to manufacture to steal a state.
I thought you said he was bright.0 -
Yeh but come on, that (stealing of mail-in votes) is not an intelligent take on what's happening.
Calling out stupidity where stupidity exists is not contentious.
If someone told me they'd voted Trump because they don't feel the Democrats will listen to their needs or put measures in place to overcome the daily problems then I'd listen and discuss.
I can't really engage with someone who cries "fraud" when it doesn't go their way.Ben
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Luckily we have highly professional ministers over here who wouldn’t support someone trying to delegitimise a US election o wait0 -
There was decent analysis of the absentee voting on the BBC earlier. It seems like the final result is going to be determined by Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan. In all those States Trump is leading at present but based on the assumed skew in absentee voting it looks like Wisconsin and Michigan would be Democrat, the Republican lead in Pennsylvania is looking large enough that it won't be overturned even though the absentee voting is heavily in favour of Biden. There are still a few States that are too close to call but I think the upshot was that if Wisconsin and Michigan go to Biden then he will win. The deciding factor could be one small college vote in Nebraska that went to Biden, incredible in a country of that size that one part of a very rural State could have the casting vote.0
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Enough of that went on during the EU Brexit referendum too that I'd be fairly certain it swung it towards Leave.skyblueamateur said:
In one. Similar to this country the left have taken this vote for granted for decades and are now paying the price.surrey_commuter said:
whether he is better or worse off is irrelevant, it is whether he thinks he is better off and whether he thinks he will be better off under Trump in the next 4 yearstailwindhome said:Is the rust belt factory worker better or worse off than 4 years ago?
That's your election.
I'm traditionally a centre-left voter and find this heart-breaking.
Alan Johnson had it right after the election when he attacked Jon Lansmann and Momentum. He stated that the far left have always found the working class to be a disappointment and he's on the money. Until Labour and the Democrats engage with these disenfranchised voters who feel left behind they are going to keep losing elections. This section of society won't be as liberal as a lot on the left but for the so-called 'intellectual left' to brand them as morons, racists and thick is a disgrace.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]1 -
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“Oh we voted out of spite because we got called racist” lol give over. You voted for a racist because.....0
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Ignore the racism tag. If you call a bunch of people stupid, is it surprising they don't vote the same way as you?rick_chasey said:“Oh we voted out of spite because we got called racist” lol give over. You voted for a racist because.....
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This is the interview I'm talking about -
https://youtu.be/Dme8AwpThAc
It perfectly captures my anger on the current position we are in.0 -
Cause or effect, right?TheBigBean said:
Ignore the racism tag. If you call a bunch of people stupid, is it surprising they don't vote the same way as you?rick_chasey said:“Oh we voted out of spite because we got called racist” lol give over. You voted for a racist because.....
I would say that is a stupid reason to vote one way so it becomes quite tautological0 -
Trump is not the Tories and Biden is nothing like momentum.skyblueamateur said:This is the interview I'm talking about -
https://youtu.be/Dme8AwpThAc
It perfectly captures my anger on the current position we are in.
I absolutely agree with him there but there is no relevance to Trump0 -
Look again.joe2019 said:
Well, the bookies think he's won - implied chance Trump 65.2%. Biden 27.8%.kingstongraham said:Looks like Trump thinks he's lost.
Counting all the votes according to the rules is a way of disenfranchising people. Interesting concept.
They're not often wrong!0 -
Largely unchanged.kingstongraham said:
Look again.joe2019 said:
Well, the bookies think he's won - implied chance Trump 65.2%. Biden 27.8%.kingstongraham said:Looks like Trump thinks he's lost.
Counting all the votes according to the rules is a way of disenfranchising people. Interesting concept.
They're not often wrong!0 -
It's the same game being played though and the left keep sleep-walking into it.rick_chasey said:
Trump is not the Tories and Biden is nothing like momentum.skyblueamateur said:This is the interview I'm talking about -
https://youtu.be/Dme8AwpThAc
It perfectly captures my anger on the current position we are in.
I absolutely agree with him there but there is no relevance to Trump
If you're a coal miner in the mid-west and you hear Biden saying that coal/oil is dead are you going to vote for him?
Trump and Johnson although speaking a load of old tosh gave hope to the working class.1 -
If you can get odds against Biden, I'd take them. I'm seeing 4/6 Biden, and 11/8 Trump.TheBigBean said:
Largely unchanged.kingstongraham said:
Look again.joe2019 said:
Well, the bookies think he's won - implied chance Trump 65.2%. Biden 27.8%.kingstongraham said:Looks like Trump thinks he's lost.
Counting all the votes according to the rules is a way of disenfranchising people. Interesting concept.
They're not often wrong!0 -
Lol now that is some patronising bs if you think because people are working class they can’t spot an incapable leader and serial liar.skyblueamateur said:
It's the same game being played though and the left keep sleep-walking into it.rick_chasey said:
Trump is not the Tories and Biden is nothing like momentum.skyblueamateur said:This is the interview I'm talking about -
https://youtu.be/Dme8AwpThAc
It perfectly captures my anger on the current position we are in.
I absolutely agree with him there but there is no relevance to Trump
If you're a coal miner in the mid-west and you hear Biden saying that coal/oil is dead are you going to vote for him?
Trump and Johnson although speaking a load of old tosh gave hope to the working class.
US has a gigantic culture war on its hand and it has, at it has always had, its attitude to race deeply deeply contested and Trump plays into that.
The idea Trump is good for working class people with his trade wars which disproportionally hits manufaxturing and goods over services - lol
Johnson makes a great point but you have your wires crossed here0 -
Sorry, I misread. Implied probability is 65% for Biden, so it has inversed.kingstongraham said:
If you can get odds against Biden, I'd take them. I'm seeing 4/6 Biden, and 11/8 Trump.TheBigBean said:
Largely unchanged.kingstongraham said:
Look again.joe2019 said:
Well, the bookies think he's won - implied chance Trump 65.2%. Biden 27.8%.kingstongraham said:Looks like Trump thinks he's lost.
Counting all the votes according to the rules is a way of disenfranchising people. Interesting concept.
They're not often wrong!
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To be clear the large parts of the US are racist. In many areas a racist platform is a vote winner.
This should not be controversial.
Apartheid only finished within living memory, remember!
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skyblueamateur said:
It's the same game being played though and the left keep sleep-walking into it.rick_chasey said:
Trump is not the Tories and Biden is nothing like momentum.skyblueamateur said:This is the interview I'm talking about -
https://youtu.be/Dme8AwpThAc
It perfectly captures my anger on the current position we are in.
I absolutely agree with him there but there is no relevance to Trump
If you're a coal miner in the mid-west and you hear Biden saying that coal/oil is dead are you going to vote for him?
Trump and Johnson although speaking a load of old tosh gave hope to the working class.
... with untruths.Ben
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You obviously move in different circles to myself and I can only talk anecdotally.rick_chasey said:
Lol now that is some patronising bs if you think because people are working class they can’t spot an incapable leader and serial liar.skyblueamateur said:
It's the same game being played though and the left keep sleep-walking into it.rick_chasey said:
Trump is not the Tories and Biden is nothing like momentum.skyblueamateur said:This is the interview I'm talking about -
https://youtu.be/Dme8AwpThAc
It perfectly captures my anger on the current position we are in.
I absolutely agree with him there but there is no relevance to Trump
If you're a coal miner in the mid-west and you hear Biden saying that coal/oil is dead are you going to vote for him?
Trump and Johnson although speaking a load of old tosh gave hope to the working class.
US has a gigantic culture war on its hand and it has, at it has always had, its attitude to race deeply deeply contested and Trump plays into that.
The idea Trump is good for working class people with his trade wars which disproportionally hits manufaxturing and goods over services - lol
Johnson makes a great point but you have your wires crossed here
We may think that Trump and Johnson are incapable leaders but there are swathes of both countries who don't, which recent elections backup.
So Trump getting in is purely down to racists? And I'm the patronising one. Right-o.0 -
JP Morgan think a narrow Biden win, but the Senate will be held by the Republicans.
Rick, I really think you don't understand it and have what these voters would see as a classic metropolitan elite condesending attitude to them, hence why the liberals and centre left have really struggled to gain any support from this type of voter.
They feel completely left behind and disenfranchised by the traditional politician who they see almost as alien in their attitudes and desires, so anyone who seems to front up and offer hope of something different has to be better for them than what was the status quo. Labelling them as rascist idiots realy won't help your cause, or the cause of more moderate thinking people.3 -
No I don’t but you’re making out people who vote for him aren’t. Plenty are!skyblueamateur said:
You obviously move in different circles to myself and I can only talk anecdotally.rick_chasey said:
Lol now that is some patronising bs if you think because people are working class they can’t spot an incapable leader and serial liar.skyblueamateur said:
It's the same game being played though and the left keep sleep-walking into it.rick_chasey said:
Trump is not the Tories and Biden is nothing like momentum.skyblueamateur said:This is the interview I'm talking about -
https://youtu.be/Dme8AwpThAc
It perfectly captures my anger on the current position we are in.
I absolutely agree with him there but there is no relevance to Trump
If you're a coal miner in the mid-west and you hear Biden saying that coal/oil is dead are you going to vote for him?
Trump and Johnson although speaking a load of old tosh gave hope to the working class.
US has a gigantic culture war on its hand and it has, at it has always had, its attitude to race deeply deeply contested and Trump plays into that.
The idea Trump is good for working class people with his trade wars which disproportionally hits manufaxturing and goods over services - lol
Johnson makes a great point but you have your wires crossed here
We may think that Trump and Johnson are incapable leaders but there are swathes of both countries who don't, which recent elections backup.
So Trump getting in is purely down to racists? And I'm the patronising one. Right-o.0
