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  • benws1
    benws1 Posts: 415
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    benws1 wrote:
    Ben6899 wrote:
    benws1 wrote:
    Thing is, I don't mind people having an opinion that is different to mine. That's what sparks debate...

    ... Trump won the election. Democracy happened, even if you do not agree with the result. If they don't like it, they can do one.

    Bit of a contradiction there, if you don't mind me saying so.

    Not really.

    Someone with a different opinion to mine - fair enough. Someone who dislikes the result of a democratic process and kicks off about it - I couldn't care less.

    :)

    Clearly.

    Indeed.
  • benws1
    benws1 Posts: 415
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    benws1 wrote:
    Veronese68 wrote:
    benws1 wrote:
    Trump won the election. Democracy happened, even if you do not agree with the result. If they don't like it, they can do one.
    The right to protest is a fairly basic one that people in a dictatorship are not allowed. Also Trump didn't get the most votes so people have legitimate grounds to complain before you get into the effect any outside meddling may have had.

    Why is Trump becoming president today then if he didn't win? I don't see Clinton being inaugurated today.

    Also, where did I say it was about the most votes? Not all systems are geared up to declare a winner solely based on the amount of votes cast.

    Where did they way that he didn't win according to the system as it is?

    What you said was because they don't like the result, they can do one. Which isn't how it works, is it?

    I was responding to the comment about Trump not getting the most votes.

    In my opinion, they can indeed do one. :) Would they be out campaigning if Clinton had won? Doubt it.

    It's a bit like Brexit, isn't it. Lots of cries that the system is unfair, a new vote needs to be cast etc. However, the system in place was used, the outcome decided and that is that. If the Brexit vote had gone to remain, would these same people be campaigning that the result isn't right?
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 25,963
    Capt Slog wrote:
    I heard on the radio this morning that there was a campaign to get Obama to resign in these last few hours before the Trump's inauguration. This means they would have to swear in the VP, making him the 45th president, if only for a few hours.

    Trump would then be 46th, and have to bin all the sh1t he's had made which says "Donald trump, 45th President"

    Petty I know, but it would be fun.
    He has too much class for such pettiness.
    Unfortunately.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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  • bianchimoon
    bianchimoon Posts: 3,942
    just watching CNN, ticker tape, keeps saying "Donald Trumps team say he wrote his own inauguration speech"
    Now either they're very proud that he can string some words together or they're embarrassed its only 140 characters long!
    All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 26,442
    benws1 wrote:
    In my opinion, they can indeed do one. :) Would they be out campaigning if Clinton had won? Doubt it.

    Are you asking if they would be protesting if the candidate with the most votes had also won the electoral college? Then the answer is clearly no, the problems of the system wouldn't have been made clear.

    Or are you asking if Trump had won more votes, but lost - in that case, then yes, I imagine there would be protests. Maybe from different people.
  • veronese68
    veronese68 Posts: 27,410
    benws1 wrote:
    In my opinion, they can indeed do one. :) Would they be out campaigning if Clinton had won? Doubt it.
    Almost certainly. Did people protest Obama? They even tried to claim he was a muslim and not born in the US, Trump himself did a lot of that. So yes, people do protest on both sides.
    benws1 wrote:
    It's a bit like Brexit, isn't it. Lots of cries that the system is unfair, a new vote needs to be cast etc. However, the system in place was used, the outcome decided and that is that. If the Brexit vote had gone to remain, would these same people be campaigning that the result isn't right?
    The leave side said if it was a small majority they would carry on campaigning, so yes they very much would still be campaigning. Farage was saying as much very loudly in the run up to the referendum. The petition for a second referendum was started by a leave campaigner expecting to lose, he then complained his petition was hijacked by the other side. So, again you are so very wrong in your assertion.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 73,060
    Veronese68 wrote:
    benws1 wrote:
    In my opinion, they can indeed do one. :) Would they be out campaigning if Clinton had won? Doubt it.
    Almost certainly. Did people protest Obama? They even tried to claim he was a muslim and not born in the US, Trump himself did a lot of that. So yes, people do protest on both sides.
    benws1 wrote:
    It's a bit like Brexit, isn't it. Lots of cries that the system is unfair, a new vote needs to be cast etc. However, the system in place was used, the outcome decided and that is that. If the Brexit vote had gone to remain, would these same people be campaigning that the result isn't right?
    The leave side said if it was a small majority they would carry on campaigning, so yes they very much would still be campaigning. Farage was saying as much very loudly in the run up to the referendum. The petition for a second referendum was started by a leave campaigner expecting to lose, he then complained his petition was hijacked by the other side. So, again you are so very wrong in your assertion.

    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/brexit-defeate ... um-1567150
    peaking later, Nigel Farage has vowed to fight on if Remain wins the EU referendum. Speaking in central London, the Ukip leader praised Leave supporters for "defying party political leaders, the establishment, the elite and the big boys". He added "maybe just under half, maybe just over half of the country" has voted to leave the European Union.
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  • bendertherobot
    bendertherobot Posts: 11,684
    Hey, Trump is even still fundraising for his campaign.
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  • benws1
    benws1 Posts: 415
    Veronese68 wrote:
    benws1 wrote:
    In my opinion, they can indeed do one. :) Would they be out campaigning if Clinton had won? Doubt it.
    Almost certainly. Did people protest Obama? They even tried to claim he was a muslim and not born in the US, Trump himself did a lot of that. So yes, people do protest on both sides.
    benws1 wrote:
    It's a bit like Brexit, isn't it. Lots of cries that the system is unfair, a new vote needs to be cast etc. However, the system in place was used, the outcome decided and that is that. If the Brexit vote had gone to remain, would these same people be campaigning that the result isn't right?
    The leave side said if it was a small majority they would carry on campaigning, so yes they very much would still be campaigning. Farage was saying as much very loudly in the run up to the referendum. The petition for a second referendum was started by a leave campaigner expecting to lose, he then complained his petition was hijacked by the other side. So, again you are so very wrong in your assertion.

    You've missed my point. Sorry if it wasn't clear.

    My point was this. If remain won, would remainers be complaining that the system isn't right? If Clinton won, would the people kicking off now complain about the system?

    For reference, I'm not taking any side on the above votes.
  • bendertherobot
    bendertherobot Posts: 11,684
    They might. Or they'd be complaining about something else. The arguments aren't binary though, some argue about a system (it is an odd system). Some are just arguing about the man. There's nothing undemocratic about continuing to put your viewpoint forward.
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  • veronese68
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    benws1 wrote:
    You've missed my point. Sorry if it wasn't clear.

    My point was this. If remain won, would remainers be complaining that the system isn't right? If Clinton won, would the people kicking off now complain about the system?

    For reference, I'm not taking any side on the above votes.
    Generally people don't tend to protest something that goes their way, I can't imagine why. Usually it's only the losing side that complain, anything from "we was robbed" when talking about a football match upwards.
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  • kingstongraham
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    benws1 wrote:
    You've missed my point. Sorry if it wasn't clear.

    My point was this. If remain won, would remainers be complaining that the system isn't right? If Clinton won, would the people kicking off now complain about the system?

    For reference, I'm not taking any side on the above votes.

    It was perfectly clear, just somewhat irrelevant to your earlier point.

    Just because they almost certainly wouldn't protest in a different reality, that doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to protest in this one.
  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    Well, you can certainly tell he spent the whole of his tea break writing that one!
    Faster than a tent.......
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 73,060
    The comparisons to Fascist speeches are facile, but that's because they really are very very similar...
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  • mr_goo
    mr_goo Posts: 3,770
    Am I the only one expecting to see a little red dot appear in the middle of Trump's forehead?
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  • bendertherobot
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    I'm all religioned out.
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  • mamba80
    mamba80 Posts: 5,032
    Mr Goo wrote:
    Am I the only one expecting to see a little red dot appear in the middle of Trump's forehead?


    As my gran used to say "you only need to give them time...."
  • bendertherobot
    bendertherobot Posts: 11,684
    New website is nice. ;)
    https://www.whitehouse.gov
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  • rolf_f
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    bendertherobot wrote:
    New website is nice. ;)
    https://www.whitehouse.gov

    I'm not giving him my details!
    Faster than a tent.......
  • mr_goo
    mr_goo Posts: 3,770
    bendertherobot wrote:
    I'm all religioned out.
    Far too many references to God.
    Is he going to debunk the existence is dinosaurs?
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  • bendertherobot
    bendertherobot Posts: 11,684
    Mr Goo wrote:
    bendertherobot wrote:
    I'm all religioned out.
    Far too many references to God.
    Is he going to debunk the existence is dinosaurs?

    Only the little ones, not the bigly ones.
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  • bendertherobot
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    https://www.whitehouse.gov/america-first-energy
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 26,442
    Taking the oath, he was really like Mayor Joe Quimby.
  • Garry H
    Garry H Posts: 6,639
    Listened to it on radio. Was he reading his speech off an auto cue perchance?
  • bendertherobot
    bendertherobot Posts: 11,684
    Oh my, he really did directly quote Bane from The Dark Knight rises.
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  • pinno
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    Mr Goo wrote:
    Am I the only one expecting to see a little red dot appear in the middle of Trump's forehead?

    It would ricochet off anyway.

    The best we can hope for is a heart attack. A Pretzel almost got rid of George Dublya. It's been almost 36 years since someone had a pop at a President. Perhaps when gun control goes even more lax, the ethnic groups become even more pi$$ed off with the establishment, unemployment goes through the roof as China/India/The EU/Korea/South Americans/Australians play some trade cards, the pro-lifers go shooting the woolly liberal 'baby killers', the Mexicans come in waves* across the border (*did you get that?) before the wall is completed, the KKK decide 'it's time'... etcetera, there will be a queue (when the civil war that Putin will actively stoke ends).
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  • finchy
    finchy Posts: 6,686
    bendertherobot wrote:
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/america-first-energy

    So climate change is going to be denied out of existence.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 73,060
    bendertherobot wrote:
    Oh my, he really did directly quote Bane from The Dark Knight rises.

    I've seen something on twitter claiming he directly quoted from Avatar.

    I remember the Trump quote - never watched avatar.

    Tend to be sceptical of those things - usually full of sh!t.
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  • Frank the tank
    Frank the tank Posts: 6,553
    I will take a bet now, D J Trump will not see out the next four years as president.
    He will be assassinated, by whom I'm not sure, but it will happen.
    Tail end Charlie

    The above post may contain traces of sarcasm or/and bullsh*t.
  • verylonglegs
    verylonglegs Posts: 3,959
    Tuck in Frank. Not much liquidity on that site however, more money on the exit date for some reason.

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/# ... .129133401

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