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  • mr_goo
    mr_goo Posts: 3,770
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Mr Goo wrote:
    Capt Slog wrote:
    DeVlaeminck wrote:
    Just heard he's issued a Presidential decree (have I got that right?) to dismantle Obamacare before he's presented an alternative and straight after it showed him and assorted rich and powerful people dancing - or at least shuffling - to My Way.

    It really jarred with me - potentially removing health cover from millions of people when you yourself have known nothing but opulence and power.

    Yes, classy wasn't it? What a petty little man he is.

    From what I understand the Obamacare doesn't work for the 'middle classes', it makes medical care more expensive.
    So it was another democratic system that was ok for the poor and wealthy, but left those in the middle struggling to meet the costs. ... Sounds familiar.

    You know when they refer to middle class in the US they mean the poor, right?

    Nope. Thought it was the same mis labelling as given to those of us in UK who just about keep their heads above water. The ones who get affected most by inflation. The ones affected most by cuts in public services. The ones who never see a real term rise in salaries. Etc.etc.
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  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,322
    edited January 2017
    I wish the fecker got shot. There and i've said it and totally unashamedly. If he proves to be so inept and you have to consider how wide the impact of Trumpology could potentially spread amongst the vehicle of American tentacles, which are global, his 'reign' could be dangerous. A nuclear strike on Korea because his ratings are flailing (many leaders do similar things, Putin is doing it now and did it in Crimea/Ukraine) for example or perhaps complete abandonment of Climate agreements and all the funding that goes with it.
    The effects of an inept, blinkered, tw@t of a leader with no political office previously and not the slightest clue about any form of ideology, could have far reaching consequences. It is incumbent on any American President given how much influence they can have, to set standards of some description.
    It is not improper to wish that a man like Trump should be removed. All things considered.
    Would anyone be berated if they said "I wish Hitler/Akino/Polpot/Karadzic/Idi Amin/James Corden etc had been assassinated"? No one would bat an eyelid.
    However, I don't think Trump is one of those and he may prove to be totally imputent given the opposition to him and the power of the Senate but he has the potential to be of great harm both domestically and internationally.
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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    bendertherobot wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    In polling amongst Trump supporters Affordable Care has a high poll rating but Obamacare is hated

    As a concept? Or the ACA?

    No as ACA - they really are that thick/misled
  • capt_slog
    capt_slog Posts: 3,974
    Frank the tank wrote:
    bompington wrote:
    Frank the tank wrote:
    I will take a bet now, D J Trump will not see out the next four years as president.
    He will be assassinated, by whom I'm not sure, but it will happen.
    Leaving aside the morality of how right it is to wish that on anyone, the problem, fundamentally, isn't Trump himself - it's the fact that enough people voted for him to become president. That problem wouldn't go away if he stopped being president, and would get worse if it happened in circumstances (like assassination) where they could blame someone for taking away their hero. Even if it was indisputably a solo loon, can you imagine the conspiracy theories?
    Where did I "wish it"?

    I merely made a statement.

    Quite so.

    There's a classic line in a John Wyndham book..
    "If I state that Autumn follows Summer, it doesn't mean that I'm favour of ripping all the leaves off the trees!"
    (or something very like it. "The Kraken Wakes" I think) :D

    Some members of the Slog Family feel the same way re. the assassination. I hope it doesn't happen. I'd much rather see him disgraced somehow


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  • Garry H
    Garry H Posts: 6,639
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    bendertherobot wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    In polling amongst Trump supporters Affordable Care has a high poll rating but Obamacare is hated
    Buy
    As a concept? Or the ACA?

    No as ACA - they really are that thick/misled

    I'd go for thick
  • bendertherobot
    bendertherobot Posts: 11,684
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    bendertherobot wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    In polling amongst Trump supporters Affordable Care has a high poll rating but Obamacare is hated

    As a concept? Or the ACA?

    No as ACA - they really are that thick/misled

    I'd like to say it's incredible but.......
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  • rjsterry
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    Capt Slog wrote:
    Frank the tank wrote:
    bompington wrote:
    Frank the tank wrote:
    I will take a bet now, D J Trump will not see out the next four years as president.
    He will be assassinated, by whom I'm not sure, but it will happen.
    Leaving aside the morality of how right it is to wish that on anyone, the problem, fundamentally, isn't Trump himself - it's the fact that enough people voted for him to become president. That problem wouldn't go away if he stopped being president, and would get worse if it happened in circumstances (like assassination) where they could blame someone for taking away their hero. Even if it was indisputably a solo loon, can you imagine the conspiracy theories?
    Where did I "wish it"?

    I merely made a statement.

    Quite so.

    There's a classic line in a John Wyndham book..
    "If I state that Autumn follows Summer, it doesn't mean that I'm favour of ripping all the leaves off the trees!"
    (or something very like it. "The Kraken Wakes" I think) :D

    Some members of the Slog Family feel the same way re. the assassination. I hope it doesn't happen. I'd much rather see him disgraced somehow
    Quite agree. Although he does seem to be disgrace-proof.
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  • mr_goo
    mr_goo Posts: 3,770
    Can't wait for the first meeting between Trump and Merkel.
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  • Garry H
    Garry H Posts: 6,639
    Mr Goo wrote:
    Can't wait for the first meeting between Trump and Merkel.

    He'll probably "goose" her.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Mr Goo wrote:
    Can't wait for the first meeting between Trump and Merkel.

    What do you think will happen?
  • veronese68
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    bendertherobot wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    bendertherobot wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    In polling amongst Trump supporters Affordable Care has a high poll rating but Obamacare is hated

    As a concept? Or the ACA?

    No as ACA - they really are that thick/misled

    I'd like to say it's incredible but.......
    There was a series of posts by a republican crowing about Obamacare being repealed, when questioned as to why he would think it a good thing if he was on it. His reply was that he was covered under the Affordable Care Act. They really are that stupid.
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  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    Can't help thinking Trump's just handed the US's crown as the preeminent world power to China.

    It's like prewar isolationism all over again for them.
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,930
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Mr Goo wrote:
    Can't wait for the first meeting between Trump and Merkel.

    What do you think will happen?

    He'd probably find himself grabbing a pair of bollox. :shock:
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,930
    People marching in protest in London and Paris?
    Wtf is that all about?
  • mr_goo
    mr_goo Posts: 3,770
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Mr Goo wrote:
    Can't wait for the first meeting between Trump and Merkel.

    What do you think will happen?

    Who knows, but I don't think he regards her very highly given his recent comments about the EU being just for Germany and that her open doors policy has let in terrorists. However I bow to your superior knowledge on EU/German/US affairs and perhaps you may offer different insight.
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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Mr Goo wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Mr Goo wrote:
    Can't wait for the first meeting between Trump and Merkel.

    What do you think will happen?

    Who knows, but I don't think he regards her very highly given his recent comments about the EU being just for Germany and that her open doors policy has let in terrorists. However I bow to your superior knowledge on EU/German/US affairs and perhaps you may offer different insight.

    No was a genuine question. I know nothing to suggest the usual handshakes and platitudes
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Ballysmate wrote:
    People marching in protest in London and Paris?
    Wtf is that all about?

    For the second time in a week I am in full agreement.
  • mr_goo
    mr_goo Posts: 3,770
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    People marching in protest in London and Paris?
    Wtf is that all about?

    For the second time in a week I am in full agreement.

    I'll defend the right for people to march and protest. But I do hope the said protesters realise how much it has cost in policing. Especially given the stretched financial resources of the UK police forces and the fact they are protesting against a democratically elected head of state that is not the head of state of their own state.
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  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    Hey guys! You do know what happens if Trump's killed, impeached or just quits don't you? Pence takes over!

    I'm sorry but I'd choose Trump any day over Pence, and twice as strongly on a Sunday!

    Do you want a creationist of the worst kind leading the USA? A guy without any issue with the activities of the religious extremists killing pro choice activists and doctors. The same extremists being imported over here BTW. Extremists who set up fake advise centres for desparate women only to give no advice only pressure to not have a real choice. He's of that ilk. There's supposed to be other aspects of his beliefs and political leanings that most in the UK would not live with from their political representatives.

    Sorry for the tang but IMHO the western world cannot allow Trump to go before Pence has left office and preferably the planet (life ended is a good option for Pence IMHO).
  • bartman100
    bartman100 Posts: 544
    Mr Goo wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    People marching in protest in London and Paris?
    Wtf is that all about?

    For the second time in a week I am in full agreement.

    I'll defend the right for people to march and protest. But I do hope the said protesters realise how much it has cost in policing. Especially given the stretched financial resources of the UK police forces and the fact they are protesting against a democratically elected head of state that is not the head of state of their own state.
    Sure, the cost of policing is the most important thing here. A man that is largely considered a facist by the great and the good of world commentators, historians and intellectuals has just been elected the most powerful man on earth. He is indisputably a misogynist, a narcissist and a man nakedly promoting his fellow billionaires into positions of even greater power. But no, you're right, this is not the rest of the world's business and we should shut the hell up. And who is paying for the policing - US, THE TAXPAYERS!!!!
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    bartman100 wrote:
    Mr Goo wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    People marching in protest in London and Paris?
    Wtf is that all about?

    For the second time in a week I am in full agreement.

    I'll defend the right for people to march and protest. But I do hope the said protesters realise how much it has cost in policing. Especially given the stretched financial resources of the UK police forces and the fact they are protesting against a democratically elected head of state that is not the head of state of their own state.
    Sure, the cost of policing is the most important thing here. A man that is largely considered a facist by the great and the good of world commentators, historians and intellectuals has just been elected the most powerful man on earth. He is indisputably a misogynist, a narcissist and a man nakedly promoting his fellow billionaires into positions of even greater power. But no, you're right, this is not the rest of the world's business and we should shut the hell up. And who is paying for the policing - US, THE TAXPAYERS!!!!

    That is the problem with democracy- people vote for the wrong guy.

    Sources please to back up your assertion that he is "largely considered a fascist"
  • bartman100
    bartman100 Posts: 544
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    bartman100 wrote:
    Mr Goo wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    People marching in protest in London and Paris?
    Wtf is that all about?

    For the second time in a week I am in full agreement.

    I'll defend the right for people to march and protest. But I do hope the said protesters realise how much it has cost in policing. Especially given the stretched financial resources of the UK police forces and the fact they are protesting against a democratically elected head of state that is not the head of state of their own state.
    Sure, the cost of policing is the most important thing here. A man that is largely considered a facist by the great and the good of world commentators, historians and intellectuals has just been elected the most powerful man on earth. He is indisputably a misogynist, a narcissist and a man nakedly promoting his fellow billionaires into positions of even greater power. But no, you're right, this is not the rest of the world's business and we should shut the hell up. And who is paying for the policing - US, THE TAXPAYERS!!!!

    That is the problem with democracy- people vote for the wrong guy.

    Sources please to back up your assertion that he is "largely considered a fascist"

    I was railing against the numbskullery of those saying that people should not protest as they, presumably, are considered to have no interest, stake, concern in this event. Sure - folk vote for the wrong guy, and folk should rise up and call a c*nt a c*nt - I'd rather not live in a world where this can't/doesn't happen. As for whether he's technically a facist or not is a boring and fruitless conversation that might never end (Simon Schama, for one, has called him one) but is there really any disagreement that he's a dangerous asshole? But hey, the policing costs....
  • bartman100
    bartman100 Posts: 544
    Surrey Commuter wrote:

    Sources please to back up your assertion that he is "largely considered a fascist"

    And just to remind you some of those who have most loudly proclaimed this as a triumph: Geert Wilders, Marine Le Pen, Viktor Orban, Vladimir Zhirinovsky. Purely coincidental I'm sure.
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,930
    bartman100 wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    bartman100 wrote:
    Mr Goo wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    People marching in protest in London and Paris?
    Wtf is that all about?

    For the second time in a week I am in full agreement.

    I'll defend the right for people to march and protest. But I do hope the said protesters realise how much it has cost in policing. Especially given the stretched financial resources of the UK police forces and the fact they are protesting against a democratically elected head of state that is not the head of state of their own state.
    Sure, the cost of policing is the most important thing here. A man that is largely considered a facist by the great and the good of world commentators, historians and intellectuals has just been elected the most powerful man on earth. He is indisputably a misogynist, a narcissist and a man nakedly promoting his fellow billionaires into positions of even greater power. But no, you're right, this is not the rest of the world's business and we should shut the hell up. And who is paying for the policing - US, THE TAXPAYERS!!!!

    That is the problem with democracy- people vote for the wrong guy.

    Sources please to back up your assertion that he is "largely considered a fascist"

    I was railing against the numbskullery of those saying that people should not protest as they, presumably, are considered to have no interest, stake, concern in this event. Sure - folk vote for the wrong guy, and folk should rise up and call a c*nt a c*nt - I'd rather not live in a world where this can't/doesn't happen. As for whether he's technically a facist or not is a boring and fruitless conversation that might never end (Simon Schama, for one, has called him one) but is there really any disagreement that he's a dangerous asshole? But hey, the policing costs....

    Wasn't concerned about the policing costs, was just baffled as to why they felt the need to protest.
    People didn't exactly take to the streets to ensure that Yahya Jammeh stepped down in Gambia did they? But there again it wasn't a right on cause and people didn't feel the need to show their liberal credentials did they?
  • bartman100
    bartman100 Posts: 544
    edited January 2017
    Ballysmate wrote:
    bartman100 wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    bartman100 wrote:
    Mr Goo wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    People marching in protest in London and Paris?
    Wtf is that all about?

    For the second time in a week I am in full agreement.

    I'll defend the right for people to march and protest. But I do hope the said protesters realise how much it has cost in policing. Especially given the stretched financial resources of the UK police forces and the fact they are protesting against a democratically elected head of state that is not the head of state of their own state.
    Sure, the cost of policing is the most important thing here. A man that is largely considered a facist by the great and the good of world commentators, historians and intellectuals has just been elected the most powerful man on earth. He is indisputably a misogynist, a narcissist and a man nakedly promoting his fellow billionaires into positions of even greater power. But no, you're right, this is not the rest of the world's business and we should shut the hell up. And who is paying for the policing - US, THE TAXPAYERS!!!!

    That is the problem with democracy- people vote for the wrong guy.

    Sources please to back up your assertion that he is "largely considered a fascist"

    I was railing against the numbskullery of those saying that people should not protest as they, presumably, are considered to have no interest, stake, concern in this event. Sure - folk vote for the wrong guy, and folk should rise up and call a c*nt a c*nt - I'd rather not live in a world where this can't/doesn't happen. As for whether he's technically a facist or not is a boring and fruitless conversation that might never end (Simon Schama, for one, has called him one) but is there really any disagreement that he's a dangerous asshole? But hey, the policing costs....

    Wasn't concerned about the policing costs, was just baffled as to why they felt the need to protest.
    People didn't exactly take to the streets to ensure that Yahya Jammeh stepped down in Gambia did they? But there again it wasn't a right on cause and people didn't feel the need to show their liberal credentials did they?

    *REDACTED*.
  • bartman100
    bartman100 Posts: 544
    bartman100 wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    bartman100 wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    bartman100 wrote:
    Mr Goo wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    People marching in protest in London and Paris?
    Wtf is that all about?

    For the second time in a week I am in full agreement.

    I'll defend the right for people to march and protest. But I do hope the said protesters realise how much it has cost in policing. Especially given the stretched financial resources of the UK police forces and the fact they are protesting against a democratically elected head of state that is not the head of state of their own state.
    Sure, the cost of policing is the most important thing here. A man that is largely considered a facist by the great and the good of world commentators, historians and intellectuals has just been elected the most powerful man on earth. He is indisputably a misogynist, a narcissist and a man nakedly promoting his fellow billionaires into positions of even greater power. But no, you're right, this is not the rest of the world's business and we should shut the hell up. And who is paying for the policing - US, THE TAXPAYERS!!!!

    That is the problem with democracy- people vote for the wrong guy.

    Sources please to back up your assertion that he is "largely considered a fascist"

    I was railing against the numbskullery of those saying that people should not protest as they, presumably, are considered to have no interest, stake, concern in this event. Sure - folk vote for the wrong guy, and folk should rise up and call a c*nt a c*nt - I'd rather not live in a world where this can't/doesn't happen. As for whether he's technically a facist or not is a boring and fruitless conversation that might never end (Simon Schama, for one, has called him one) but is there really any disagreement that he's a dangerous asshole? But hey, the policing costs....

    Wasn't concerned about the policing costs, was just baffled as to why they felt the need to protest.
    People didn't exactly take to the streets to ensure that Yahya Jammeh stepped down in Gambia did they? But there again it wasn't a right on cause and people didn't feel the need to show their liberal credentials did they?

    I've edited a needlessly rude and aggressive reply - but I have nothing more to add to this conversation
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,930
    Being as I'm stupid, please explain what possible difference attending a march in London for example could make to the incumbent POTUS?
    As I said, they do it just to show their right on credentials, no more.

    Don't need to be coy on my account. :wink:
  • bartman100
    bartman100 Posts: 544
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Being as I'm stupid, please explain what possible difference attending a march in London for example could make to the incumbent POTUS?
    As I said, they do it just to show their right on credentials, no more.

    Don't need to be coy on my account. :wink:
    cheerio.
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,930
    Perhaps I am wrong and it will be on Sky News in the morning that Trump has resigned because some people in Paris & London didn't like him.
  • Lookyhere
    Lookyhere Posts: 987
    Ballysmate wrote:

    Wasn't concerned about the policing costs, was just baffled as to why they felt the need to protest.
    People didn't exactly take to the streets to ensure that Yahya Jammeh stepped down in Gambia did they? But there again it wasn't a right on cause and people didn't feel the need to show their liberal credentials did they?

    Would it be that the President of the USA has said these things about women and Trump has a lot more influence than the President of Gambia?

    Maybe his pronunciations on Nuclear weapons, EU, NATO and Putin has a something to do with protests in Europe, people getting out and being politically aware is surely a good thing..

    If all protests were only judged on if someone resigned or not, then yes, no point protesting about anything is there

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