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  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,930
    The Gambia reference was just because it was another election in the news at the moment and of course Trump will have more bearing on the world.
    But what do these people hope to achieve except giving themselves a pat on the back?
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,930
    Likewise the great and the good of Hollywood have been out in force as well. That would be the misogynist Hollywood, whose in house cheerleaders couldn't find a black nominee for the Oscars, protesting against Trump because he's er... a misogynist and a racist.
    What does Bono have to say? Surely he's had his say?
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,322
    Ballysmate wrote:
    bartman100 wrote:
    bartman100 wrote:
    Mr Goo wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    People marching in protest in London and Paris?
    Wtf is that all about?

    For the second time in a week I am in full agreement.

    I'l...TAXPAYERS!!!!

    That...fascist"

    I...costs....

    Wasn't concerned about the policing costs, was just baffled as to why they felt the need to protest.
    People didn't exactly take to the streets to ensure that Yahya Jammeh stepped down in Gambia did they? But there again it wasn't a right on cause and people didn't feel the need to show their liberal credentials did they?

    Soz Bally mate but i'm going to pick you up on that one.

    Mr Jemmeh doesn't exactly wield much global power. What he does or doesn't do won't affect us. Mr Jemmeh isn't at the head of a military power capable of nuking the world 10 times over.
    Is it only those with 'liberal credentials' that protest?
    If you protest, are you a 'liberal'?
    Was there violence at these other protests?
    Was the cost more or less than a Manchester derby football game or any other game in the UK where tw@ts are prone to violence? (and we pay the cost on a week in week out basis and no one seems to mind but some protesters get together to protest against a very divisive and potentially destructive figure, they are in the wrong. Odd.)

    I am not condoning the protests and I do see your point, BTW but the freedom to protest is our freedom. Whether you or \I think it is a just cause or one worthy of protest is highly subjective but labelling the protesters as liberals is a false judgement.
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  • Lookyhere
    Lookyhere Posts: 987
    Ballysmate wrote:
    The Gambia reference was just because it was another election in the news at the moment and of course Trump will have more bearing on the world.
    But what do these people hope to achieve except giving themselves a pat on the back?

    only in the news because uk holiday makers had their trip cancelled, otherwise we d never have heard of it.

    What your suggesting is more apathy, yes, they wont get Trump to resign but just maybe, he might stop and think what he is doing or even if he wont, his advisers might take some notice, unlikely but to do nothing at all is saying you agree with Trump isnt it?
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,322
    All it takes for evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing.

    Apologies if there are errors in that quote, it's off the top of my head.
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  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,930
    As I said, I accept that wotsisname from Gambia hold no sway here, but the Gambia election was in the news so I threw it in as an example.
    Not concerned about policing costs, just baffled at what the protesters hoped to achieve apart from as I said, patting themselves on the back.
    Protest to bring about change by all means, but these are protesting for the sake of it.
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,930
    Lookyhere wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    The Gambia reference was just because it was another election in the news at the moment and of course Trump will have more bearing on the world.
    But what do these people hope to achieve except giving themselves a pat on the back?

    only in the news because uk holiday makers had their trip cancelled, otherwise we d never have heard of it.

    What your suggesting is more apathy, yes, they wont get Trump to resign but just maybe, he might stop and think what he is doing or even if he wont, his advisers might take some notice, unlikely but to do nothing at all is saying you agree with Trump isnt it?

    Trump is president of a divided nation with what appears to be larger crowds marching today than turned out to see him yesterday.
    What do the people on the streets of Europe think they can achieve that the people of the US can't.
    A few months back we had demos in the UK 'Black lives matter' to protest the shooting of black suspects in the US. A copycat protest.
    His advisers may take notice? An isolationist POTUS who says he is going to put America first sees people abroad protest against him and say they don't like him? How's that gonna play out?
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,930
    Just marched round the block to protest against Donald J.
    That'll show him!!

    Missus thought I'd gone the pub.
  • finchy
    finchy Posts: 6,686
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Lookyhere wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    The Gambia reference was just because it was another election in the news at the moment and of course Trump will have more bearing on the world.
    But what do these people hope to achieve except giving themselves a pat on the back?

    only in the news because uk holiday makers had their trip cancelled, otherwise we d never have heard of it.

    What your suggesting is more apathy, yes, they wont get Trump to resign but just maybe, he might stop and think what he is doing or even if he wont, his advisers might take some notice, unlikely but to do nothing at all is saying you agree with Trump isnt it?

    Trump is president of a divided nation with what appears to be larger crowds marching today than turned out to see him yesterday.
    What do the people on the streets of Europe think they can achieve that the people of the US can't.
    A few months back we had demos in the UK 'Black lives matter' to protest the shooting of black suspects in the US. A copycat protest.
    His advisers may take notice? An isolationist POTUS who says he is going to put America first sees people abroad protest against him and say they don't like him? How's that gonna play out?

    It might send a message to our government that the people of Britain don't want to be America's poodle while this particular nutjob is in charge.
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,930
    finchy wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Lookyhere wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    The Gambia reference was just because it was another election in the news at the moment and of course Trump will have more bearing on the world.
    But what do these people hope to achieve except giving themselves a pat on the back?

    only in the news because uk holiday makers had their trip cancelled, otherwise we d never have heard of it.

    What your suggesting is more apathy, yes, they wont get Trump to resign but just maybe, he might stop and think what he is doing or even if he wont, his advisers might take some notice, unlikely but to do nothing at all is saying you agree with Trump isnt it?

    Trump is president of a divided nation with what appears to be larger crowds marching today than turned out to see him yesterday.
    What do the people on the streets of Europe think they can achieve that the people of the US can't.
    A few months back we had demos in the UK 'Black lives matter' to protest the shooting of black suspects in the US. A copycat protest.
    His advisers may take notice? An isolationist POTUS who says he is going to put America first sees people abroad protest against him and say they don't like him? How's that gonna play out?

    It might send a message to our government that the people of Britain don't want to be America's poodle while this particular nutjob is in charge.

    When was the last time a march changed government policy?
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,322
    Deep cynicism.

    I guess the hippies and the students in the 60's marched and protested because they wanted to change the world, all with the back drop of the Vietnam war. Some joined the bandwagon, some probably genuinely believed that they were gong to make a difference.
    A decade later, the status quo hadn't changed and not long after that, the cold war escalated.

    In fact, in the 80's was an era of protest.

    Because we think that nothing really came of those protests, is that why people are cynical about 'protest'?
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  • Mikey23
    Mikey23 Posts: 5,306
    Did i just hear that he is loving the security services again?
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,930
    I understand why people feel the need to protest, but surely there must be some point.
    I can see point in the US protesters, protesting their President, but protest in London? Waste of a Saturday afternoon.
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,930
    Mikey23 wrote:
    Did i just hear that he is loving the security services again?

    He had better hope that they love him.
  • veronese68
    veronese68 Posts: 27,816
    Mikey23 wrote:
    Did i just hear that he is loving the security services again?
    Hey Mikey,
    Did you hear him claim the press are the most dishonest people and they invented a feud between him and the intelligence community. Shame his tweets comparing them to nazis are on the record.
  • slowmart
    slowmart Posts: 4,516
    heres a thought.

    Has anyone considered that Trump's isolationist stance may prove an effective economic stratetgy?

    Given the economy is the single biggest concern of voters a lot of other sins could be effectively hidden or simply not register with the voting public if Trump gets the economy moving again and tax cuts with a massive increase in infrastructure spending. Ok diametrically opposites in a broad context but Trump has some able leaders to ratchet down on costs elsewhere and chipping the debt pile that the US owes won't be off his radar.

    You may think WTF but that's been a trick of Don's. No one thought he would have been as effective as he has been and look where he is.


    The thing is, I can see Don being frighteningly effective and disruptive whilst the democrats have been electorally decimated by Trump which will give Trump a lot of currency within the party, Congress and state legislators.
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,554
    Ballysmate wrote:
    bartman100 wrote:
    bartman100 wrote:
    Mr Goo wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    People marching in protest in London and Paris?
    Wtf is that all about?

    For the second time in a week I am in full agreement.

    I'll defend the right for people to march and protest. But I do hope the said protesters realise how much it has cost in policing. Especially given the stretched financial resources of the UK police forces and the fact they are protesting against a democratically elected head of state that is not the head of state of their own state.
    Sure, the cost of policing is the most important thing here. A man that is largely considered a facist by the great and the good of world commentators, historians and intellectuals has just been elected the most powerful man on earth. He is indisputably a misogynist, a narcissist and a man nakedly promoting his fellow billionaires into positions of even greater power. But no, you're right, this is not the rest of the world's business and we should shut the hell up. And who is paying for the policing - US, THE TAXPAYERS!!!!

    That is the problem with democracy- people vote for the wrong guy.

    Sources please to back up your assertion that he is "largely considered a fascist"

    I was railing against the numbskullery of those saying that people should not protest as they, presumably, are considered to have no interest, stake, concern in this event. Sure - folk vote for the wrong guy, and folk should rise up and call a c*nt a c*nt - I'd rather not live in a world where this can't/doesn't happen. As for whether he's technically a facist or not is a boring and fruitless conversation that might never end (Simon Schama, for one, has called him one) but is there really any disagreement that he's a dangerous asshole? But hey, the policing costs....

    Wasn't concerned about the policing costs, was just baffled as to why they felt the need to protest.
    People didn't exactly take to the streets to ensure that Yahya Jammeh stepped down in Gambia did they? But there again it wasn't a right on cause and people didn't feel the need to show their liberal credentials did they?
    I've never heard of the president of the Gambia being referred to as the "most powerful man on Earth", so maybe that's why Trump has caused more of a reaction. The right on credentials theory is a bit thin given that there were protests in cities around the world, including that bastion of liberalism, Nairobi. For a newly elected US president to see this degree of protest is fairly unprecedented. As for what they hoped to achieve, I'd suggest demonstrating solidarity with the large part of the US population that was also protesting, as well as sending a message to their own governments who will have to deal with Trump in one way or another. Will the one in London have an effect on our government's dealings with Trump? Who knows. Not all protests have an effect (cf. Countryside Alliance) but some do at least in part.
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  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    Mikey23 wrote:
    Did i just hear that he is loving the security services again?

    No, what you heard was him giving a speech to a small number of security service people and some plants who laughed and hollered at the right moments. I'm not for one moment suggesting that security service people aren't natural hollerers...

    If you can get through a minute of this without a pained expression of wonderment and WTF, then you're a better man than me. Don't forget this is the person who May is going to see later this week, who Gove fawned upon, and to whom Farage is supposedly becoming the next unofficial adviser.

    https://twitter.com/braddjaffy/status/8 ... 8241640448
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,322
    Joelsim wrote:
    I'm embarrassed for the US tonight. This is beyond parody. OMFG.

    https://twitter.com/foxnews/status/822939003234041856

    Just incredible. How?

    That last one is reminiscent of the very best dictators.
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  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    Pinno wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    I'm embarrassed for the US tonight. This is beyond parody. OMFG.

    https://twitter.com/foxnews/status/822939003234041856

    Just incredible. How?

    That last one is reminiscent of the very best dictators.

    Check them all out Pinno, I've never seen anything like it from an amateur POV. Just incredible.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,322
    Joelsim wrote:
    Pinno wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    I'm embarrassed for the US tonight. This is beyond parody. OMFG.

    https://twitter.com/foxnews/status/822939003234041856

    Just incredible. How?

    That last one is reminiscent of the very best dictators.

    Check them all out Pinno, I've never seen anything like it from an amateur POV. Just incredible.

    I did. My previous sentiments were that antagonising the CIA will be detrimental to his position.
    I have the feeling that the CIA are similar to the civil service in Whitehall and remain the constant whatever president is in charge.
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  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    Pinno wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    Pinno wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    I'm embarrassed for the US tonight. This is beyond parody. OMFG.

    https://twitter.com/foxnews/status/822939003234041856

    Just incredible. How?

    That last one is reminiscent of the very best dictators.

    Check them all out Pinno, I've never seen anything like it from an amateur POV. Just incredible.

    I did. My previous sentiments were that antagonising the CIA will be detrimental to his position.
    I have the feeling that the CIA are similar to the civil service in Whitehall and remain the constant whatever president is in charge.

    They have to be, and they don't suffer fools. Trump is already looking like a buffoon, they know it, we know it, Putin knows it and is rejoicing, they'll just do their job despite Trump.
  • veronese68
    veronese68 Posts: 27,816
    Pinno wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    I'm embarrassed for the US tonight. This is beyond parody. OMFG.

    https://twitter.com/foxnews/status/822939003234041856

    Just incredible. How?

    That last one is reminiscent of the very best dictators.
    The lies told are easily checked. So numbers using public transport in Washington, actually 1.1 million for Obama. It wasn't the first time matting was used to protect the grass and there were no magnetometers used slowing down access. So they will hold the press accountable, its the job of the press to hold them accountable. Bad times.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Some people will believe Trump, some people won't, a lot of people will decide it's too hard to work out who's telling the truth and who isn't and just won't bother with caring > which is what those in power want.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Did I hear him say 'we should have kept the Iraqi oil' then even he seemed to wonder what he had just said out loud before thinking feck it and saying it again!
  • Someone mentioned cost of football matches versus cost of policing the marches. Interesting but not relevant because the football clubs contribute to police costs. Did any of the march organizers pay for police costs?
  • Mikey23
    Mikey23 Posts: 5,306
    Thinking back to my schooldays, he would have been the slightly odd kid that would have attracted bullying like a magnet. Perhaps thats his problem?
  • That Press Secretary now scares me more than Donald.
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  • bianchimoon
    bianchimoon Posts: 3,942
    We mustn't forget he is very, very smart and has a bigly brain...

    he said so
    All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....