Donald Trump
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All I would say is no nation is immune to despotism and authoritarianism (*even the UK*), and it's important when you're in the thick of it and don't have the perspective of being outside to not see the bigger picture, as the shift is always gradual and piecemeal.First.Aspect said:
We do seem to be merely comparing degrees of cesspit, I agree.rick_chasey said:
America was already quasi fascist for a while so there was less resistance, but if you think May and BoJo haven't moved the dial in terms of tearing up elements of liberal democracy for their own (usually Brexit related) ends then you haven't been paying enough attention.First.Aspect said:
You make it seem like some of these things are new...surrey_commuter said:
I think that the US written constitution is much stronger than ours. For instance it details exactly who is in charge in certain events up to and including the President losing the election and refusing to leave the White House.First.Aspect said:
Well, yes, they are all mostly bipedal as well. My point was more about degrees of carp.rick_chasey said:Unfaithful to their wives...history of gaffes and offensive comments.
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I think our democracy will more or less survive BoJo, whereas the US will regret this total shift of acceptable standards for generations to come. Not really sure about Brazil, tbh.
The Uk by contrast seems to rely upon the PM knowing what the right thing to do is. As far as I am aware it is against no law or parliamentary rule to lie to the Queen, promote your brother to the HoL, take donations from shady Russians, suppress reports into your own wrongdoing, award lucrative contracts to your mates, fly your latest squeeze around the world on public funds.
It still amuses me that Al Fayed sued Neil Hamilton for accepting a bribe and then not getting him a British passport. Bizarrely it was neither illegal to bribe an MP or for an MP to accept a bribe.
The seismic "all bets are off" approach of the Republicans will have a more profound long term effect, I would say.
Need i draw your attention to the furore over the ruling that BoJo *unlawfully* suspending parliament, and the rule change thereafter.
Did the government publicly defend the rule of law? Did they f*ck.
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Thank God Max Mosley only ran the FIA.rick_chasey said:
All I would say is no nation is immune to despotism and authoritarianism (*even the UK*), and it's important when you're in the thick of it and don't have the perspective of being outside to not see the bigger picture, as the shift is always gradual and piecemeal.First.Aspect said:
We do seem to be merely comparing degrees of cesspit, I agree.rick_chasey said:
America was already quasi fascist for a while so there was less resistance, but if you think May and BoJo haven't moved the dial in terms of tearing up elements of liberal democracy for their own (usually Brexit related) ends then you haven't been paying enough attention.First.Aspect said:
You make it seem like some of these things are new...surrey_commuter said:
I think that the US written constitution is much stronger than ours. For instance it details exactly who is in charge in certain events up to and including the President losing the election and refusing to leave the White House.First.Aspect said:
Well, yes, they are all mostly bipedal as well. My point was more about degrees of carp.rick_chasey said:Unfaithful to their wives...history of gaffes and offensive comments.
list goes on.
I think our democracy will more or less survive BoJo, whereas the US will regret this total shift of acceptable standards for generations to come. Not really sure about Brazil, tbh.
The Uk by contrast seems to rely upon the PM knowing what the right thing to do is. As far as I am aware it is against no law or parliamentary rule to lie to the Queen, promote your brother to the HoL, take donations from shady Russians, suppress reports into your own wrongdoing, award lucrative contracts to your mates, fly your latest squeeze around the world on public funds.
It still amuses me that Al Fayed sued Neil Hamilton for accepting a bribe and then not getting him a British passport. Bizarrely it was neither illegal to bribe an MP or for an MP to accept a bribe.
The seismic "all bets are off" approach of the Republicans will have a more profound long term effect, I would say.
Need i draw your attention to the furore over the ruling that BoJo *unlawfully* suspending parliament, and the rule change thereafter.
Did the government publicly defend the rule of law? Did they f*ck.0 -
Yes his going after news international was the curveball I was not expecting.First.Aspect said:
Thank God Max Mosley only ran the FIA.rick_chasey said:
All I would say is no nation is immune to despotism and authoritarianism (*even the UK*), and it's important when you're in the thick of it and don't have the perspective of being outside to not see the bigger picture, as the shift is always gradual and piecemeal.First.Aspect said:
We do seem to be merely comparing degrees of cesspit, I agree.rick_chasey said:
America was already quasi fascist for a while so there was less resistance, but if you think May and BoJo haven't moved the dial in terms of tearing up elements of liberal democracy for their own (usually Brexit related) ends then you haven't been paying enough attention.First.Aspect said:
You make it seem like some of these things are new...surrey_commuter said:
I think that the US written constitution is much stronger than ours. For instance it details exactly who is in charge in certain events up to and including the President losing the election and refusing to leave the White House.First.Aspect said:
Well, yes, they are all mostly bipedal as well. My point was more about degrees of carp.rick_chasey said:Unfaithful to their wives...history of gaffes and offensive comments.
list goes on.
I think our democracy will more or less survive BoJo, whereas the US will regret this total shift of acceptable standards for generations to come. Not really sure about Brazil, tbh.
The Uk by contrast seems to rely upon the PM knowing what the right thing to do is. As far as I am aware it is against no law or parliamentary rule to lie to the Queen, promote your brother to the HoL, take donations from shady Russians, suppress reports into your own wrongdoing, award lucrative contracts to your mates, fly your latest squeeze around the world on public funds.
It still amuses me that Al Fayed sued Neil Hamilton for accepting a bribe and then not getting him a British passport. Bizarrely it was neither illegal to bribe an MP or for an MP to accept a bribe.
The seismic "all bets are off" approach of the Republicans will have a more profound long term effect, I would say.
Need i draw your attention to the furore over the ruling that BoJo *unlawfully* suspending parliament, and the rule change thereafter.
Did the government publicly defend the rule of law? Did they f*ck.0 -
But 60k compensation was probably a drop in the ocean to the profits that were made from the story.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0
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It also enhanced his reputation, in a "not bad for and old guy" sort of a way.pinno said:But 60k compensation was probably a drop in the ocean to the profits that were made from the story.
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Murdoch may have had his knuckles wrapped but the tabloid press still has far too much influence on public opinion.
They decided that Blair was the man at the time.
They decided the referendum.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
Steve Bannon arrested for fraud.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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He barely knew him. Made the coffee.0
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Trump on the subject of Syria and Iraq, gets distracted by a mosquito, and starts talking about how he doesn't like sharks.
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Sure, Trump is Trump, but it's remarkable how little resistance he has to do things like restrict postal voting and putting police in polling stations.0
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If trump loses the election and therefore his current immunity how long till he appears in court. It is not possible to work with so many arrested and not be dodgy.0
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I'd imagine that he's made so many enemies that he has to remain squeaky clean once out of office. Think he can do that?rick_chasey said:
Won’t happen.john80 said:If trump loses the election and therefore his current immunity how long till he appears in court. It is not possible to work with so many arrested and not be dodgy.
Didn’t with Nixon won’t with Trump.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Nixon got pardoned by his successor. Think the same's happening here?rick_chasey said:
Won’t happen.john80 said:If trump loses the election and therefore his current immunity how long till he appears in court. It is not possible to work with so many arrested and not be dodgy.
Didn’t with Nixon won’t with Trump.0 -
Nixon quit, his successor was his Vice Presidentkingstongraham said:
Nixon got pardoned by his successor. Think the same's happening here?rick_chasey said:
Won’t happen.john80 said:If trump loses the election and therefore his current immunity how long till he appears in court. It is not possible to work with so many arrested and not be dodgy.
Didn’t with Nixon won’t with Trump.0 -
You’d assume there is a compelling mountain of evidence being/been collated.john80 said:If trump loses the election and therefore his current immunity how long till he appears in court. It is not possible to work with so many arrested and not be dodgy.
The only reason there won’t be is if somebody is suppressing an investigation. Given the partisan politics of the country, I can imagine investigations are very discrete.0 -
Biden comes in on a mandate of working for “all Americans” and immediately goes after Trump?
Come on. This is America0 -
Could have been written specifically. 🤣rick_chasey said:Biden comes in on a mandate of working for “all Americans” and immediately goes after Trump?
Come on. This is America
This Is America
Donald Glover
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Yeah, yeah, yeah, go, go away
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Yeah, yeah, yeah, go, go away
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Yeah, yeah, yeah, go, go away
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Yeah, yeah, yeah, go, go away
We just wanna party
Party just for you
We just want the money
Money just for you
I know you wanna party (yeah)
Party just for free
Girl, you got me dancin' (girl, you got me dancin')
Dance and shake the frame
We just wanna party (yeah)
Party just for you (yeah)
We just want the money (yeah)
Money just for you (ooh)
I know you wanna party (yeah)
Party just for free (yeah)
Girl, you got me dancin' (girl, you got me dancin')
Dance and shake the frame (ooh)
This is America
Don't catch you slippin' now
Don't catch you slippin' now
Look what…The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Only way he's getting a pardon is if he does the same. Biden won't do it, will he?surrey_commuter said:
Nixon quit, his successor was his Vice Presidentkingstongraham said:
Nixon got pardoned by his successor. Think the same's happening here?rick_chasey said:
Won’t happen.john80 said:If trump loses the election and therefore his current immunity how long till he appears in court. It is not possible to work with so many arrested and not be dodgy.
Didn’t with Nixon won’t with Trump.0 -
Obama was happy to overlook minor things like torture, so what makes you think Biden will be any different.kingstongraham said:
Only way he's getting a pardon is if he does the same. Biden won't do it, will he?surrey_commuter said:
Nixon quit, his successor was his Vice Presidentkingstongraham said:
Nixon got pardoned by his successor. Think the same's happening here?rick_chasey said:
Won’t happen.john80 said:If trump loses the election and therefore his current immunity how long till he appears in court. It is not possible to work with so many arrested and not be dodgy.
Didn’t with Nixon won’t with Trump.
For what it is worth, I think this was a considerable moral failing by Obama. Prosecution would have prevented it happening again.0 -
Federal crimes only. He could still be proscecuted for state crimes.kingstongraham said:
Only way he's getting a pardon is if he does the same. Biden won't do it, will he?surrey_commuter said:
Nixon quit, his successor was his Vice Presidentkingstongraham said:
Nixon got pardoned by his successor. Think the same's happening here?rick_chasey said:
Won’t happen.john80 said:If trump loses the election and therefore his current immunity how long till he appears in court. It is not possible to work with so many arrested and not be dodgy.
Didn’t with Nixon won’t with Trump.Not a Giro Hero!0 -
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We don't take kindly to yur kind around here.rick_chasey said:0 -
So, he's signed a bill that goes against the first amendment? How in earth do they expect to get any court to recognise that.0
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Plenty of states prevent felons from voting.step83 said:So, he's signed a bill that goes against the first amendment? How in earth do they expect to get any court to recognise that.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_disenfranchisement_in_the_United_States0 -
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Draining the swamp and filling it with nepotism.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
My point being, they are branding protesters (who under the first amendment hold the right to protest) as felons. So this act goes against the first amendment. Obviously I'm citing peaceful protests, as protesting should not involve criminal damage etc.kingstongraham said:
Plenty of states prevent felons from voting.step83 said:So, he's signed a bill that goes against the first amendment? How in earth do they expect to get any court to recognise that.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_disenfranchisement_in_the_United_States
So for example a person stood silently outside say a government office holding a protest sign not interacting with anyone or causing a commotion can now be arrested for protesting, despite the first amendment stating...
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances"
Also, the Trump Republication convention may as well now be called the Trump convention, seeing as half the key speakers are from the Trump family, its like a bizarre dystopian Bradey Bunch.0
