Donald Trump
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Puerto Rico is part of the USA, and Puerto Ricans are citizens of the USA. They just don't get a vote in the presidential election or any representation in the federal government because it isn't a state.TheBigBean said:
I guess they are both just colonies really. They opt for a better quality of life with democratic representation.kingstongraham said:
Puerto Rico's 3 million US citizens only get to vote in the primaries, not the actual election.TheBigBean said:Guam has an interest democratic position. They get to vote, but have no electoral college votes (or whatever they are called)
Palau has a better deal. Citiziens still get to live in the US if they want (presumably as long as they blindly support US foreign policy), but are an independent country
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I know, like Guam, but that's why I added the qualifier to colonies of "really". They are not colonies, but they have similar characteristics. Palau is also not a colony. It is an independent country.kingstongraham said:
Puerto Rico is part of the USA, and Puerto Ricans are citizens of the USA. They just don't get a vote in the presidential election or any representation in the federal government because it isn't a state.TheBigBean said:
I guess they are both just colonies really. They opt for a better quality of life with democratic representation.kingstongraham said:
Puerto Rico's 3 million US citizens only get to vote in the primaries, not the actual election.TheBigBean said:Guam has an interest democratic position. They get to vote, but have no electoral college votes (or whatever they are called)
Palau has a better deal. Citiziens still get to live in the US if they want (presumably as long as they blindly support US foreign policy), but are an independent country0 -
Dunno why a majority govt is desirable tbh.First.Aspect said:
Although I don't agree with it necessarily, our system with 600 odd seats tends to amplify the popular vote and ensure majority government (not all the time, obvs). Their electoral college system has about 8% of the resolution and has to be one of the least democratic in the western world as a result. For 12 out of the last 20 years they've had a president who lost the popular vote (might be 8, but you see the point).rick_chasey said:
FPTP is a commonality between the two (as is speaking English but I think we can rule that out)First.Aspect said:Long way to go. The US suffers from the same problem re: republican voters as we do with Tory voters. No matter how bad the candidate, no matter how bad the public mood, most of them just can't help themselves when it comes to actually putting the cross in the box.
(Edit: I know the arguments, I just don’t find them remotely persuasive)0 -
I agree, coalition ought to promote cooperation and moderation. The SNP and Tories each in their own way demonstrate exactly why large majorities are dangerous.rick_chasey said:
Dunno why a majority govt is desirable tbh.First.Aspect said:
Although I don't agree with it necessarily, our system with 600 odd seats tends to amplify the popular vote and ensure majority government (not all the time, obvs). Their electoral college system has about 8% of the resolution and has to be one of the least democratic in the western world as a result. For 12 out of the last 20 years they've had a president who lost the popular vote (might be 8, but you see the point).rick_chasey said:
FPTP is a commonality between the two (as is speaking English but I think we can rule that out)First.Aspect said:Long way to go. The US suffers from the same problem re: republican voters as we do with Tory voters. No matter how bad the candidate, no matter how bad the public mood, most of them just can't help themselves when it comes to actually putting the cross in the box.
(Edit: I know the arguments, I just don’t find them remotely persuasive)
I accept the SNP doesn't have a large majority in the Scottish Parliament, but the stupid stupid greens back them up on independence and the perception of the SNP majority is much more about the Westminster position, ironically.
Sending posh boys up to talk to Glaswegians about old Blightie isn't helping in the slightest, btw.0 -
Considering the US is a relatively young country and had the benefit of developing a democratic system learning from the good and bad in other countries whilst building from scratch they came up with a remarkably shit system. At least with the UK FPTP system there are more parties that can affect the vote.0
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I have a very hard time believing that people, countries, and the government's are capable of learning from the past. If people did or could learn lessons from the past it would seem to me that wars, famine, homelessness, diseases, and the list goes on, would have long ago vanished from this earth.0
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I wrote in my final ever exam that you can learn any lesson you want from history, and that the lessons can be anything you want them to be. as I get older I think that's one of the few things I have ever written that has stood the test of time.dennisn said:I have a very hard time believing that people, countries, and the government's are capable of learning from the past. If people did or could learn lessons from the past it would seem to me that wars, famine, homelessness, diseases, and the list goes on, would have long ago vanished from this earth.
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“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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Will this man save America from the gaffe prone Democrat candidate?
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The problem with a lot of Trump's supporters is that they are thick. So the above won't have much impact. What will have an impact is direct consequences on their lives: money and C19.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0
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US elections are about motivating the base, and I think getting trump out is as a big a motivator as you can have.pinno said:The problem with a lot of Trump's supporters is that they are thick. So the above won't have much impact. What will have an impact is direct consequences on their lives: money and C19.
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You'd think "Trump is running the whole postal service into the ground just because he doesn't want postal voting to work" might start to have an impact.0
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But to win you need the base to come out and vote at a higher % than the other guy's base. Given he is telling them not to vote by post, I'm not sure that will happen. There may also be a significant "anyone but him" vote from anyone who doesn't happen to be white and profoundly ignorant.rick_chasey said:
US elections are about motivating the base, and I think getting trump out is as a big a motivator as you can have.pinno said:The problem with a lot of Trump's supporters is that they are thick. So the above won't have much impact. What will have an impact is direct consequences on their lives: money and C19.
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I guess the point I am making is US is so polarised there are very few people who switch.First.Aspect said:
But to win you need the base to come out and vote at a higher % than the other guy's base. Given he is telling them not to vote by post, I'm not sure that will happen. There may also be a significant "anyone but him" vote from anyone who doesn't happen to be white and profoundly ignorant.rick_chasey said:
US elections are about motivating the base, and I think getting trump out is as a big a motivator as you can have.pinno said:The problem with a lot of Trump's supporters is that they are thick. So the above won't have much impact. What will have an impact is direct consequences on their lives: money and C19.
Your attention is better served getting your own folk out to vote (as that varies more wildly than the partisanship)0 -
I had suggested that previously. I only hope the black vote don't abstain in a semi protest about the choices available to them.First.Aspect said:
There may also be a significant "anyone but him" vote from anyone who doesn't happen to be white and profoundly ignorant.rick_chasey said:
US elections are about motivating the base, and I think getting trump out is as a big a motivator as you can have.pinno said:The problem with a lot of Trump's supporters is that they are thick. So the above won't have much impact. What will have an impact is direct consequences on their lives: money and C19.
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Even abstaining would represent a swing away, in comparison to 2016.pinno said:
I had suggested that previously. I only hope the black vote don't abstain in a semi protest about the choices available to them.First.Aspect said:
There may also be a significant "anyone but him" vote from anyone who doesn't happen to be white and profoundly ignorant.rick_chasey said:
US elections are about motivating the base, and I think getting trump out is as a big a motivator as you can have.pinno said:The problem with a lot of Trump's supporters is that they are thick. So the above won't have much impact. What will have an impact is direct consequences on their lives: money and C19.
There is also the "everyone else who isn't white" vote. Which is a lot of people. He's pretty effectively alienated people of Hispanic and Asian heritage as well.
If you spend time in a typical US city, there's not that many Hillbillies, which is the base he is appealing to. That's my hope anyway.0 -
What in the actual heckkingstongraham said:Will this man save America from the gaffe prone Democrat candidate?
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he did say "Probably" ... so not quite sure ...
I still can't quite fathom why nobody shouts him down on all this - it's quite patently wrong - I suppose it comes from him spouting random "facts" and those present not having the knowledge/time to fact check before shouting out.0 -
I'm surprised Don hasn't yet bought Putin's vaccine; he might consider it worth a punt if it looks like he is going to lose the election. If it goes well the US is open ahead of the curve and he will be a hero, if it goes wrong then hundreds of thousands could end up dead or diseased. What the heck, he's losing anyway so worth a go.0
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It's so wrong you almost forget that the Spanish flu was actually 1918.step83 said:
What in the actual heckkingstongraham said:Will this man save America from the gaffe prone Democrat candidate?
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Biden picks Kamala Harris as his VP for 2020 and thereby presumptive nominee for 2024“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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The obvious choice, for obvious reasons.tailwindhome said:Biden picks Kamala Harris as his VP for 2020 and thereby presumptive nominee for 2024
Could be worth a chunk of votes in a simple move.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Pence has been dropped! Trump is going with David Duke.0
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Pence wouldn't allow himself to be alone on a debate stage with Harris. Must be linked to that.0
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Now all he needs is Beau and Luke.darkhairedlord said:Pence has been dropped! Trump is going with David Duke.
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Trump wouldn't discuss KH with his favourite Fox ar8elick Sean Hannity but was very worried about windmills and stated:
"Wind is nice. It’s nice. But it causes tremendous environmental problems,” Trump exclaimed, touching on a subject he’s rambled nonsensically about countless times.
“Site and home values going way down,” he added. “If you see a windmill and hear a windmill, your home is worth half or less than half. It kills all the birds.”
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My 5yo gives better and more coherent reasons than that ... along with sentences that are completely formed. He does make things up though.FreddieVonRost said:Trump wouldn't discuss KH with his favourite Fox ar8elick Sean Hannity but was very worried about windmills and stated:
"Wind is nice. It’s nice. But it causes tremendous environmental problems,” Trump exclaimed, touching on a subject he’s rambled nonsensically about countless times.
“Site and home values going way down,” he added. “If you see a windmill and hear a windmill, your home is worth half or less than half. It kills all the birds.”0 -
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The obvious choice, for obvious reasons.tailwindhome said:Biden picks Kamala Harris as his VP for 2020 and thereby presumptive nominee for 2024
Could be worth a chunk of votes in a simple move.
What could you possibly mean?0 -
Trump's latest proposed law change. I have checked the calendar, it is not 01 April.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-537617440 -
Important question, will it also deal with his ahem... personal problem where he needs to flush 15 times to get rid of whatever it is comes out of him?wilberforce said:Trump's latest proposed law change. I have checked the calendar, it is not 01 April.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53761744
https://youtu.be/XGChTEfeeC4 0
