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  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,320
    pearceygy said:

    What’s with all the Trump hating on here? He has his faults for sure but he’s achieved far more than the youth club leader Obama, and to think it could of been Corrupt Clinton? Anyway fingers crossed he gets another term least thing the country needs is a left wing Marxist nutcase who’s not even fit to hold a conversation never mind run the country.

    You're 'avin a larf int' ya?
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    According to this article, the movement of the S&P 500 in the run up to the presidential election has been a good indicator of who will win:

    https://thetimes.co.uk/article/want-to-know-wholl-win-the-us-election-look-at-the-stock-market-98lxg3hc6

    S&P has big structural issues right now anyway.
    Not sure exactly what you're referring to, but if the author of the article is right it has had an 87% success rate since 1928 and 100% since 1984.
    FANG are so big they account for the vast majority of all movements - S&P at this point is a marginally diluted big tech play and not much more.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,408

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    According to this article, the movement of the S&P 500 in the run up to the presidential election has been a good indicator of who will win:

    https://thetimes.co.uk/article/want-to-know-wholl-win-the-us-election-look-at-the-stock-market-98lxg3hc6

    S&P has big structural issues right now anyway.
    Not sure exactly what you're referring to, but if the author of the article is right it has had an 87% success rate since 1928 and 100% since 1984.
    FANG are so big they account for the vast majority of all movements - S&P at this point is a marginally diluted big tech play and not much more.
    OK. Will still be interested to see if the S&P 'method' calls it the right way.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited August 2020
    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    According to this article, the movement of the S&P 500 in the run up to the presidential election has been a good indicator of who will win:

    https://thetimes.co.uk/article/want-to-know-wholl-win-the-us-election-look-at-the-stock-market-98lxg3hc6

    S&P has big structural issues right now anyway.
    Not sure exactly what you're referring to, but if the author of the article is right it has had an 87% success rate since 1928 and 100% since 1984.
    FANG are so big they account for the vast majority of all movements - S&P at this point is a marginally diluted big tech play and not much more.
    OK. Will still be interested to see if the S&P 'method' calls it the right way.
    Correlation isn't causation etc.


  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    edited August 2020
    orraloon said:

    ^ that's that Botster arris at it again with another dormant login ID. Off.

    Another evening with only the wine bottles for company? You should really address your level of drinking.

    Not me, nothing to do with me, but there are likely to be a lot of 'shy' Trump voters in the US who are going to make this a lot closer than you think :smiley:
  • pinno said:

    pearceygy said:

    What’s with all the Trump hating on here? He has his faults for sure but he’s achieved far more than the youth club leader Obama, and to think it could of been Corrupt Clinton? Anyway fingers crossed he gets another term least thing the country needs is a left wing Marxist nutcase who’s not even fit to hold a conversation never mind run the country.

    You're 'avin a larf int' ya?
    Try going to the Tory Party thread and you will see exactly the same argument.

    Whether a troll or not he reflects the tribal nature of US politics.
  • step83
    step83 Posts: 4,170
    The irony of the USPS debacle is comical.

    Trump dislikes mail in ballot (despite him using it)
    USPS Head is a Trump supporter
    USPS have began rolling back services including mass sorting machines citing Covid
    Trump actively blocks funding to USPS claiming he wont fund fraud.

    Its both very stupid, and very clever.

    He knows his core voting group will turn up and vote because they reckon Covid-19 is fake and if they carry a fire arm it wont come near them. Figures suggest around 3/4 of republicans are planning to vote in person while around half the Democrats are planning to use mail in ballots citing Covid-19 (plus historically democrats vote via mail ballot)

    But, you then have the greater number of people who are seeing his de funding of USPS for what it is, active voter suppression.
    Which has alarmed even some Republicans. The house has been recalled because of it to try an push a bill through and call up the post master general on why exactly they suddenly cant deal with the voter mail.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,408

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    According to this article, the movement of the S&P 500 in the run up to the presidential election has been a good indicator of who will win:

    https://thetimes.co.uk/article/want-to-know-wholl-win-the-us-election-look-at-the-stock-market-98lxg3hc6

    S&P has big structural issues right now anyway.
    Not sure exactly what you're referring to, but if the author of the article is right it has had an 87% success rate since 1928 and 100% since 1984.
    FANG are so big they account for the vast majority of all movements - S&P at this point is a marginally diluted big tech play and not much more.
    OK. Will still be interested to see if the S&P 'method' calls it the right way.
    Correlation isn't causation etc.


    Whatever - have a word with the bloke who wrote the article if you disagree. I was just posting it as info.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    step83 said:

    The irony of the USPS debacle is comical.

    Trump dislikes mail in ballot (despite him using it)
    USPS Head is a Trump supporter
    USPS have began rolling back services including mass sorting machines citing Covid
    Trump actively blocks funding to USPS claiming he wont fund fraud.

    Its both very stupid, and very clever.

    He knows his core voting group will turn up and vote because they reckon Covid-19 is fake and if they carry a fire arm it wont come near them. Figures suggest around 3/4 of republicans are planning to vote in person while around half the Democrats are planning to use mail in ballots citing Covid-19 (plus historically democrats vote via mail ballot)

    But, you then have the greater number of people who are seeing his de funding of USPS for what it is, active voter suppression.
    Which has alarmed even some Republicans. The house has been recalled because of it to try an push a bill through and call up the post master general on why exactly they suddenly cant deal with the voter mail.

    There's also the fact that the Trump is making the post take longer to be delivered, including all the things that aren't ballots. I can't see how that is a move in the right direction.
  • step83 said:

    The irony of the USPS debacle is comical.

    Trump dislikes mail in ballot (despite him using it)
    USPS Head is a Trump supporter
    USPS have began rolling back services including mass sorting machines citing Covid
    Trump actively blocks funding to USPS claiming he wont fund fraud.

    Its both very stupid, and very clever.

    He knows his core voting group will turn up and vote because they reckon Covid-19 is fake and if they carry a fire arm it wont come near them. Figures suggest around 3/4 of republicans are planning to vote in person while around half the Democrats are planning to use mail in ballots citing Covid-19 (plus historically democrats vote via mail ballot)

    But, you then have the greater number of people who are seeing his de funding of USPS for what it is, active voter suppression.
    Which has alarmed even some Republicans. The house has been recalled because of it to try an push a bill through and call up the post master general on why exactly they suddenly cant deal with the voter mail.

    There's also the fact that the Trump is making the post take longer to be delivered, including all the things that aren't ballots. I can't see how that is a move in the right direction.
    It's good for fed-ex, ups, and DHL.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,320
    edited August 2020


    Try going to the Tory Party thread and you will see exactly the same argument.
    .

    And it's exactly why I am avoiding such threads.
    Pity. There's no actual debate (though not stipulated), it's just a sh1t slinging fest.

    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • pinno said:


    Try going to the Tory Party thread and you will see exactly the same argument.
    .

    And it's exactly why I am avoiding such threads.
    Pity. There's no actual debate (though not stipulated), it's just censored slinging fest.

    Surely your post is one for the irony thread?
  • pinno said:


    Try going to the Tory Party thread and you will see exactly the same argument.
    .

    And it's exactly why I am avoiding such threads.
    Pity. There's no actual debate (though not stipulated), it's just a censored slinging fest.

    my point is that you should not look upon Trump in isolation, it needs to be seen in perspective.

    This thread is full of questions about why the Republican party does not solve their Trump problem. Boris is tearing up many things that the Tory party stands for yet it stays mainly mute.

    Total disregard for accepted norms and conventions when you realise that if you have enough brass neck nobody can stop you?

    Talk total nonsense (AKA lie) to resolve an immediate problem?

    preside over failure and proclaim a world leading victory?

    There is an incredibly high number of people in the Uk who think the Govt have dealt well with C19.

    You study Trump from afar and profess to not know how his support can not implode and how can he not get a thumping defeat yet the answers to most of these questions is on your own doorstep. If there was an election tomorrow the Tory and Labour % votes will move in the same narrow bands.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    ^^ it is no co-incidence one of Obama's close advisers lumps BoJo in with Trump and Bolsonaro.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167

    ^^ it is no co-incidence one of Obama's close advisers lumps BoJo in with Trump and Bolsonaro.

    I'm no fan of any of them but that's not a helpful comparison. It manages to simultaneously discredit BoJo and give too much credibility to the other two.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited August 2020

    ^^ it is no co-incidence one of Obama's close advisers lumps BoJo in with Trump and Bolsonaro.

    I'm no fan of any of them but that's not a helpful comparison. It manages to simultaneously discredit BoJo and give too much credibility to the other two.
    Right wing populists who are very relaxed about lying and who like to appoint incompetents for their loyalty.

    I think that describes all three.

    And you wonder why all three have done badly in Corona.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Unfaithful to their wives...history of gaffes and offensive comments.

    list goes on.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    His tribute to his brother. Brings a tear to the eye.

  • Unfaithful to their wives...history of gaffes and offensive comments.

    list goes on.

    lock up immigrants = use the royal navy to "push" inflatable dinghies or women and children back into French waters

    claim to build a wall = claiming to not build a customs checks between NI/UK

    i think the brains around Boris have been watching Trump and drawing their own conclusions about how it will work with the British public.

    i think the parliamentary party will knife him before the public does as I imagine the lying feels more personal.
  • step83
    step83 Posts: 4,170

    step83 said:

    The irony of the USPS debacle is comical.

    Trump dislikes mail in ballot (despite him using it)
    USPS Head is a Trump supporter
    USPS have began rolling back services including mass sorting machines citing Covid
    Trump actively blocks funding to USPS claiming he wont fund fraud.

    Its both very stupid, and very clever.

    He knows his core voting group will turn up and vote because they reckon Covid-19 is fake and if they carry a fire arm it wont come near them. Figures suggest around 3/4 of republicans are planning to vote in person while around half the Democrats are planning to use mail in ballots citing Covid-19 (plus historically democrats vote via mail ballot)

    But, you then have the greater number of people who are seeing his de funding of USPS for what it is, active voter suppression.
    Which has alarmed even some Republicans. The house has been recalled because of it to try an push a bill through and call up the post master general on why exactly they suddenly cant deal with the voter mail.

    There's also the fact that the Trump is making the post take longer to be delivered, including all the things that aren't ballots. I can't see how that is a move in the right direction.
    It's good for fed-ex, ups, and DHL.
    So far as I'm aware Fed-ex and UPS have noped out of that situation, I think the bulk of their setup is parcel not letter so they would need to integrate a lot of new infrastructure to handle even normal postal volumes.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167

    Unfaithful to their wives...history of gaffes and offensive comments.

    list goes on.

    Well, yes, they are all mostly bipedal as well. My point was more about degrees of carp.

    I think our democracy will more or less survive BoJo, whereas the US will regret this total shift of acceptable standards for generations to come. Not really sure about Brazil, tbh.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,320
    Brazil's exports to China is worth $64bn and $29bn to the US.
    With those major players on side, Bolsonero probably feels like he can do what he likes.
    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • Unfaithful to their wives...history of gaffes and offensive comments.

    list goes on.

    Well, yes, they are all mostly bipedal as well. My point was more about degrees of carp.

    I think our democracy will more or less survive BoJo, whereas the US will regret this total shift of acceptable standards for generations to come. Not really sure about Brazil, tbh.
    I think that the US written constitution is much stronger than ours. For instance it details exactly who is in charge in certain events up to and including the President losing the election and refusing to leave the White House.

    The Uk by contrast seems to rely upon the PM knowing what the right thing to do is. As far as I am aware it is against no law or parliamentary rule to lie to the Queen, promote your brother to the HoL, take donations from shady Russians, suppress reports into your own wrongdoing, award lucrative contracts to your mates, fly your latest squeeze around the world on public funds.

    It still amuses me that Al Fayed sued Neil Hamilton for accepting a bribe and then not getting him a British passport. Bizarrely it was neither illegal to bribe an MP or for an MP to accept a bribe.
  • pinno said:

    Brazil's exports to China is worth $64bn and $29bn to the US.
    With those major players on side, Bolsonero probably feels like he can do what he likes.

    I may be missing the point but that puts him in their pockets
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661

    Unfaithful to their wives...history of gaffes and offensive comments.

    list goes on.

    Well, yes, they are all mostly bipedal as well. My point was more about degrees of carp.

    I think our democracy will more or less survive BoJo, whereas the US will regret this total shift of acceptable standards for generations to come. Not really sure about Brazil, tbh.
    They’re just less obvious about it but I do not think this is a given and it smacks of British exceptionalism.

  • Biden picks Kamala Harris as his VP for 2020 and thereby presumptive nominee for 2024

    I'm surprised that there has been no comment from the usual quarters about Kamala accusing Biden of being a racist and thus now running on a racists ticket?

    Or does some racism get a pass if you are a Democrat president?
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152

    Biden picks Kamala Harris as his VP for 2020 and thereby presumptive nominee for 2024

    I'm surprised that there has been no comment from the usual quarters about Kamala accusing Biden of being a racist and thus now running on a racists ticket?

    Or does some racism get a pass if you are a Democrat president?
    You could of course watch what she said in that exchange, which started with "Vice President Biden, I do not believe you are a racist."
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167

    Unfaithful to their wives...history of gaffes and offensive comments.

    list goes on.

    Well, yes, they are all mostly bipedal as well. My point was more about degrees of carp.

    I think our democracy will more or less survive BoJo, whereas the US will regret this total shift of acceptable standards for generations to come. Not really sure about Brazil, tbh.
    I think that the US written constitution is much stronger than ours. For instance it details exactly who is in charge in certain events up to and including the President losing the election and refusing to leave the White House.

    The Uk by contrast seems to rely upon the PM knowing what the right thing to do is. As far as I am aware it is against no law or parliamentary rule to lie to the Queen, promote your brother to the HoL, take donations from shady Russians, suppress reports into your own wrongdoing, award lucrative contracts to your mates, fly your latest squeeze around the world on public funds.

    It still amuses me that Al Fayed sued Neil Hamilton for accepting a bribe and then not getting him a British passport. Bizarrely it was neither illegal to bribe an MP or for an MP to accept a bribe.
    You make it seem like some of these things are new...

    The seismic "all bets are off" approach of the Republicans will have a more profound long term effect, I would say.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited August 2020

    Unfaithful to their wives...history of gaffes and offensive comments.

    list goes on.

    Well, yes, they are all mostly bipedal as well. My point was more about degrees of carp.

    I think our democracy will more or less survive BoJo, whereas the US will regret this total shift of acceptable standards for generations to come. Not really sure about Brazil, tbh.
    I think that the US written constitution is much stronger than ours. For instance it details exactly who is in charge in certain events up to and including the President losing the election and refusing to leave the White House.

    The Uk by contrast seems to rely upon the PM knowing what the right thing to do is. As far as I am aware it is against no law or parliamentary rule to lie to the Queen, promote your brother to the HoL, take donations from shady Russians, suppress reports into your own wrongdoing, award lucrative contracts to your mates, fly your latest squeeze around the world on public funds.

    It still amuses me that Al Fayed sued Neil Hamilton for accepting a bribe and then not getting him a British passport. Bizarrely it was neither illegal to bribe an MP or for an MP to accept a bribe.
    You make it seem like some of these things are new...

    The seismic "all bets are off" approach of the Republicans will have a more profound long term effect, I would say.
    America was already quasi fascist for a while so there was less resistance, but if you think May and BoJo haven't moved the dial in terms of tearing up elements of liberal democracy for their own (usually Brexit related) ends then you haven't been paying enough attention.

    Need i draw your attention to the furore over the ruling that BoJo *unlawfully* suspending parliament, and the rule change thereafter.

    Did the government publicly defend the rule of law? Did they f*ck.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167

    Unfaithful to their wives...history of gaffes and offensive comments.

    list goes on.

    Well, yes, they are all mostly bipedal as well. My point was more about degrees of carp.

    I think our democracy will more or less survive BoJo, whereas the US will regret this total shift of acceptable standards for generations to come. Not really sure about Brazil, tbh.
    I think that the US written constitution is much stronger than ours. For instance it details exactly who is in charge in certain events up to and including the President losing the election and refusing to leave the White House.

    The Uk by contrast seems to rely upon the PM knowing what the right thing to do is. As far as I am aware it is against no law or parliamentary rule to lie to the Queen, promote your brother to the HoL, take donations from shady Russians, suppress reports into your own wrongdoing, award lucrative contracts to your mates, fly your latest squeeze around the world on public funds.

    It still amuses me that Al Fayed sued Neil Hamilton for accepting a bribe and then not getting him a British passport. Bizarrely it was neither illegal to bribe an MP or for an MP to accept a bribe.
    You make it seem like some of these things are new...

    The seismic "all bets are off" approach of the Republicans will have a more profound long term effect, I would say.
    America was already quasi fascist for a while so there was less resistance, but if you think May and BoJo haven't moved the dial in terms of tearing up elements of liberal democracy for their own (usually Brexit related) ends then you haven't been paying enough attention.

    Need i draw your attention to the furore over the ruling that BoJo *unlawfully* suspending parliament, and the rule change thereafter.

    Did the government publicly defend the rule of law? Did they f*ck.
    We do seem to be merely comparing degrees of cesspit, I agree.