Donald Trump

imposter2.0

Yandex translate fail, again...

tangled_metal

Surrey Commuter wrote:

FishFish wrote:

Fenix wrote:

Did Nato stop us in the Falklands ? I can't remember.

I do think that having Nato cuts down the chances that we go to war with our neighbours.

Nato provided a naval patrol round the British isles during the conflict. I think the BOAT came from the German Navy. That is what Nato is supposed to do. They probably didn't believe in the war or they would have adopted the doctrine = attack one of us and you attack all of us.

Who gives one anyway. The islands are clearly not british.

It was not a war, it was a conflict. From memory this makes a huge legal difference

Also the French intelligence agency worked with British agencies to manipulate Argentina's attempts to buy more exocet missiles (a French missile system). They refused to seek direct but one if their agents was used as a murky arms dealer who could get the missiles argentina needed. They spent the conflict with the French spook believing he could and would get them the missiles.

So basically at least one NATO country helped with the efforts to liberate the island. Apparently more than the Americans did. At the time the Americans were trying to get UK to negotiate handing the island over not trying to liberate the islanders. Special relationship? Non-existent if you ask me. America will always look after itself and ditch anyone if it suits them.

bianchimoon

Only one NATO country has ever invoked article 5 (an attack on one is an attack on all) guess who.. it was after 9/11
I think that’s called check mate to all the NATO doubters

robert88

The President of the United States announces Montenegro likely to start World War 3

As this clip demonstrates, Montenegrins are very aggressive people:

https://youtu.be/oot9fL4ZVuA

Trump's buddy, Putin, considers Montenegro as within Russia's sphere of influence.

bianchimoon

Robert88 wrote:

The President of the United States announces Montenegro likely to start World War 3

As this clip demonstrates, Montenegrins are very aggressive people:

https://youtu.be/oot9fL4ZVuA

Trump's buddy, Putin, considers Montenegro as within Russia's sphere of influence.

Yup, re my quote above about invoking article 5, trump casting doubt on whether the US would defend another NATO member but they expected all other members to take part in defending the US and attacking Afghanistan after 9/11 which undoubtedly led to some lower profile members becoming targets for Islamic terrorists.

lostboysaint

On the same day as a criminal complaint was unsealed against a Russian citizen accused of using the NRA as a conduit to influence U.S. political leaders on behalf of Russia, the Trump admin announced new rules that would allow the NRA to stop disclosing its donors.

Nothing to see here.

FocusZing

Trump blasts EU for slapping Google/Android with 5 billion dollar fine...

Forgets he slapped tariffs on EU aluminium and steel.

I tell you, he's not a really really great man.

robert88

The stuff of nightmares:

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/10 ... 0370119680

FishFish

Tangled Metal wrote:

At the time the Americans were trying to get UK to negotiate handing the island over not trying to liberate the islanders. Special relationship? Non-existent if you ask me. America will always look after itself and ditch anyone if it suits them.

I think the Americans provided the upgraded Sidewinder missiles for the Fleet Air Arm and also some useful electronic intelligence on troop dispositions on the Malvinas.

FishFish

FocusZing wrote:

Trump blasts EU for slapping Google/Android with 5 billion dollar fine...

Forgets he slapped tariffs on EU aluminium and steel.

I tell you, he's not a really really great man.

He is. He is as great as you are.

surrey_commuter

FishFish wrote:

Tangled Metal wrote:

At the time the Americans were trying to get UK to negotiate handing the island over not trying to liberate the islanders. Special relationship? Non-existent if you ask me. America will always look after itself and ditch anyone if it suits them.

I think the Americans provided the upgraded Sidewinder missiles for the Fleet Air Arm and also some useful electronic intelligence on troop dispositions on the Malvinas.

I think they repositioned some satellites and helped with refuelling

robert88

Roger that!

FishFish

Surrey Commuter wrote:

FishFish wrote:

Tangled Metal wrote:

At the time the Americans were trying to get UK to negotiate handing the island over not trying to liberate the islanders. Special relationship? Non-existent if you ask me. America will always look after itself and ditch anyone if it suits them.

I think the Americans provided the upgraded Sidewinder missiles for the Fleet Air Arm and also some useful electronic intelligence on troop dispositions on the Malvinas.

I think they repositioned some satellites and helped with refuelling

That is correct. The satellites were used to refuel the ships.

robert88

Meanwhile in other news, US announces special relationship. With Russia.

Given Trump's Helsinki performance (including the off the record part) and the POTUS's wish to entertain Putin in the White House, there no other conclusion available.

We shouldn't be surprised as Trump's election was founded on improving relations with that country

We just didn't realise that US relations with Europe and Canada would be the trade-off. Nor that a deal of that kind would be so acceptable in Trumpistan.

We seek an explanation that fits our world view - that Putin is blackmailing Trump, there's no other way our greatest ally would behave thus. We could be wrong - maybe Putin has nothing on Trump except an understanding that together they might create a power that is unstoppable.

mr_goo

Robert88 wrote:

Meanwhile in other news, US announces special relationship. With Russia.

Given Trump's Helsinki performance (including the off the record part) and the POTUS's wish to entertain Putin in the White House, there no other conclusion available.

We shouldn't be surprised as Trump's election was founded on improving relations with that country

We just didn't realise that US relations with Europe and Canada would be the trade-off. Nor that a deal of that kind would be so acceptable in Trumpistan.

We seek an explanation that fits our world view - that Putin is blackmailing Trump, there's no other way our greatest ally would behave thus. We could be wrong - maybe Putin has nothing on Trump except an understanding that together they might create a power that is unstoppable.

House of Cards for real.

The Rookie

Tangled Metal wrote:

Special relationship? Non-existent if you ask me. America will always look after itself and ditch anyone if it suits them.

So I guess the Vulcans didn't use the US air base on Ascension (and initially US fuel) to launch the attack on Stanley?

The US's diplomatic front was ostensibly neutral and trying to reach a a diplomatic agreement.

Behind the scenes they were working significantly to help us including an upgraded ECM package fitted for those later Vulcan Black Buck missions. Intel of many types etc.

imposter2.0

The Rookie wrote:

So I guess the Vulcans didn't use the US air base on Ascension (and initially US fuel) to launch the attack on Stanley?

Not a US air base, as such. Ascension is a British overseas territory and the base is jointly operated by the RAF and USAF - or at least it was back then..

bianchimoon

Robert88 wrote:

We seek an explanation that fits our world view - that Putin is blackmailing Trump, there's no other way our greatest ally would behave thus. We could be wrong - maybe Putin has nothing on Trump except an understanding that together they might create a power that is unstoppable.

I had thought about that, a partnership much as he does in business, although can't see what the US would gain from this situation compared to what the Russian Federation would gain? Still seems no doubt that his Trump org is in major hock to laundered Russian money and if/when Putin gives the word his oligarchs call in the debts Trump org is gone Kapputski! That's why he is taking this path.

robert88

bianchimoon wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

We seek an explanation that fits our world view - that Putin is blackmailing Trump, there's no other way our greatest ally would behave thus. We could be wrong - maybe Putin has nothing on Trump except an understanding that together they might create a power that is unstoppable.

I had thought about that, a partnership much as he does in business, although can't see what the US would gain from this situation compared to what the Russian Federation would gain? Still seems no doubt that his Trump org is in major hock to laundered Russian money and if/when Putin gives the word his oligarchs call in the debts Trump org is gone Kapputski! That's why he is taking this path.

That's the problem, we still think of the US as it was pre-Trump. Post-Trump it could be something very different.

rjsterry

A nice quote from Scaramucci.

"They couldn’t care less about what happened in Russia. They love this guy, they think this guy’s for them. These are low information emotional voters and they like what they see in the president. They think he’s working for them."

ayjaycee

Imposter wrote:

The Rookie wrote:

So I guess the Vulcans didn't use the US air base on Ascension (and initially US fuel) to launch the attack on Stanley?

Not a US air base, as such. Ascension is a British overseas territory and the base is jointly operated by the RAF and USAF - or at least it was back then..

Still is - I've not been through there for a few years now but that position has not changed - the base is actually called 'Royal Air Force Acension Island' and the Station Commander is a RAF Wing Commander.

pblakeney

ayjaycee wrote:

Imposter wrote:

The Rookie wrote:

So I guess the Vulcans didn't use the US air base on Ascension (and initially US fuel) to launch the attack on Stanley?

Not a US air base, as such. Ascension is a British overseas territory and the base is jointly operated by the RAF and USAF - or at least it was back then..

Still is - I've not been through there for a few years now but that position has not changed - the base is actually called 'Royal Air Force Acension Island' and the Station Commander is a RAF Wing Commander.

Yeah, but there is a US base there so they have power. Just like NYPD has worldwide jurisdiction.
That's how it works? Right? Does in the movies.

bianchimoon

FBI have seized a tape with conversation between Trump and Cohen about paying off playboy model over affair while married to melania, he'll be even more of a hero now to the US evangelical christians :roll:

lostboysaint

FBI - liars
Michael Cohen - liar
New York Times - liars/fake news

bianchimoon

lostboysaint wrote:

FBI - liars
Michael Cohen - liar
New York Times - liars/fake news

It was Alec baldwin doing an impersonation of me.. he's a fake president

lostboysaint

bianchimoon wrote:

FBI have seized a tape with conversation between Trump and Cohen about paying off playboy model over affair while married to melania, he'll be even more of a hero now to the US evangelical christians :roll:

Remember, if there's one tape of one conversation there's very,very likely to be a whole pile more.........

bianchimoon

lostboysaint wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

FBI have seized a tape with conversation between Trump and Cohen about paying off playboy model over affair while married to melania, he'll be even more of a hero now to the US evangelical christians :roll:

Remember, if there's one tape of one conversation there's very,very likely to be a whole pile more.........

Yup, sounds like Cohen has flipped big style... Lock him up!

Matthewfalle

bianchimoon wrote:

FBI have seized a tape with conversation between Trump and Cohen about paying off playboy model over affair while married to melania, he'll be even more of a hero now to the US evangelical christians :roll:

Link?

bianchimoon

Matthewfalle wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

FBI have seized a tape with conversation between Trump and Cohen about paying off playboy model over affair while married to melania, he'll be even more of a hero now to the US evangelical christians :roll:

Link?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/20/us/p ... -tape.html

bianchimoon

“Nothing in that conversation suggests that he (Trump) had any knowledge of it in advance,” Mr. Giuliani said, adding that Mr. Trump had directed Mr. Cohen that if he were to make a payment related to the woman, write a check, rather than sending cash, so it could be properly documented.

Knowledge of what? Knowledge he had an affair, he must have alzheimers if he can't remember sha99ing a playboy model