Donald Trump

lostboysaint

Do you think Putin will use this latest summit as an opportunity to give Trump the videos, and with them his balls, back and he can start being a real President and not a stooge?

rjsterry

Why would he do that?

bianchimoon

lostboysaint wrote:

Do you think Putin will use this latest summit as an opportunity to give Trump the videos, and with them his balls, back and he can start being a real President and not a stooge?

Would you trust him not to make copies?

rick_chasey

rjsterry wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

I had to join my parents on a driving tour through large swathes of Western America as a teenager.

Nothing I saw made me think they were anything but somewhere on the far right spectrum.

All their values line up nicely.

No diversity (gays, female leaders) conformity is crucial, usually openly racist, penchant for military and punitive law and big supporters of traditional roles of men and women (which can often have a racialist tinge).

Broadly speaking they keep themselves to themselves because space is not a problem and they don’t need the hassle of city folk telling them what to think.
So maybe all those towns are not representative.

Then again, the US voted for Trump....

The stereotype of rural Britain is much the same with less of a crush on guns, but in my experience its very wide of the mark. Nobody likes being told what to think.

Well we both know what I think of rural British villages so I’m in agreement that they’re fairly similar in values...

rjsterry

Rick Chasey wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

I had to join my parents on a driving tour through large swathes of Western America as a teenager.

Nothing I saw made me think they were anything but somewhere on the far right spectrum.

All their values line up nicely.

No diversity (gays, female leaders) conformity is crucial, usually openly racist, penchant for military and punitive law and big supporters of traditional roles of men and women (which can often have a racialist tinge).

Broadly speaking they keep themselves to themselves because space is not a problem and they don’t need the hassle of city folk telling them what to think.
So maybe all those towns are not representative.

Then again, the US voted for Trump....

The stereotype of rural Britain is much the same with less of a crush on guns, but in my experience its very wide of the mark. Nobody likes being told what to think.

Well we both know what I think of rural British villages so I’m in agreement that they’re fairly similar in values...

Values schmalues. Put it another way: I've not found cities to be the beacons of tolerance and diversity they claim to be; there's just more anonymity.

pblakeney

rjsterry wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

I had to join my parents on a driving tour through large swathes of Western America as a teenager.

Nothing I saw made me think they were anything but somewhere on the far right spectrum.

All their values line up nicely.

No diversity (gays, female leaders) conformity is crucial, usually openly racist, penchant for military and punitive law and big supporters of traditional roles of men and women (which can often have a racialist tinge).

Broadly speaking they keep themselves to themselves because space is not a problem and they don’t need the hassle of city folk telling them what to think.
So maybe all those towns are not representative.

Then again, the US voted for Trump....

The stereotype of rural Britain is much the same with less of a crush on guns, but in my experience its very wide of the mark. Nobody likes being told what to think.

Well we both know what I think of rural British villages so I’m in agreement that they’re fairly similar in values...

Values schmalues. Put it another way: I've not found cities to be the beacons of tolerance and diversity they claim to be; there's just more anonymity.

Public projected personality v private personalty in my experience.

tailwindhome

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44634176

Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy is set to retire, giving President Donald Trump the chance to cement a conservative majority on the top court.

The conservative has been a swing vote on many decisions including the 5-4 rulings that decided same-sex marriage and upheld abortion rights.

rick_chasey

rjsterry wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

I had to join my parents on a driving tour through large swathes of Western America as a teenager.

Nothing I saw made me think they were anything but somewhere on the far right spectrum.

All their values line up nicely.

No diversity (gays, female leaders) conformity is crucial, usually openly racist, penchant for military and punitive law and big supporters of traditional roles of men and women (which can often have a racialist tinge).

Broadly speaking they keep themselves to themselves because space is not a problem and they don’t need the hassle of city folk telling them what to think.
So maybe all those towns are not representative.

Then again, the US voted for Trump....

The stereotype of rural Britain is much the same with less of a crush on guns, but in my experience its very wide of the mark. Nobody likes being told what to think.

Well we both know what I think of rural British villages so I’m in agreement that they’re fairly similar in values...

Values schmalues. Put it another way: I've not found cities to be the beacons of tolerance and diversity they claim to be; there's just more anonymity.

Yes there is something to be said for anonymity.

But if you've ever lived in a village of curtain twitchers, you'll realise they really are worlds apart.

rjsterry

Rick Chasey wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

I had to join my parents on a driving tour through large swathes of Western America as a teenager.

Nothing I saw made me think they were anything but somewhere on the far right spectrum.

All their values line up nicely.

No diversity (gays, female leaders) conformity is crucial, usually openly racist, penchant for military and punitive law and big supporters of traditional roles of men and women (which can often have a racialist tinge).

Broadly speaking they keep themselves to themselves because space is not a problem and they don’t need the hassle of city folk telling them what to think.
So maybe all those towns are not representative.

Then again, the US voted for Trump....

The stereotype of rural Britain is much the same with less of a crush on guns, but in my experience its very wide of the mark. Nobody likes being told what to think.

Well we both know what I think of rural British villages so I’m in agreement that they’re fairly similar in values...

Values schmalues. Put it another way: I've not found cities to be the beacons of tolerance and diversity they claim to be; there's just more anonymity.

Yes there is something to be said for anonymity.

But if you've ever lived in a village of curtain twitchers, you'll realise they really are worlds apart.

I've encountered plenty of curtain twitchers in Zone 2. The average urban Residents Association can give a rural Parish Council more than a run for its money for enforced conformity and petty dictators. Heaven help anyone who paints their railings the wrong colour or who doesn't participate in the Royal Wedding street party. These things happen everywhere.

Stevo_666

Blimey, welcome to stereotype city.

Rick, if we stereotyped anyone on your 'protected' list, then you would be on us like a pigeon on a chip with the wrath of the self righteous. And here you are doing just that with a softer target. It's good to know we're all similar in some ways

tangled_metal

Is that about RJSs reply to the country curtain twitcher comment? Both RC and RJS used the twitcher stereotype. I'm sure there's some of those in town and country. As for right wing versus just conservative well when I've lived in a country village I've never really known right wing. I've known plain racist Town dwellers but that's more down to the class of such residents. Townies I know tend to be working class white and polish immigrants (both mostly racist ime). Country dwellers tend to be professionals living in an expensive area, more small c conservative.

Probably more down to the self selecting nature of the people I know or used to know.

rjsterry

I was trying to point out (clumsily) that RC's somewhat one dimensional view might be very little to do with rural vs urban. We all worry about stuff that is unfamiliar and like to have a bit of control over our surroundings. If you want people to accept you as you are, you need to do the same.

Sorry that sounds like I should post it on Facebook over a picture of a sunset.

bianchimoon

TailWindHome wrote:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44634176

Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy is set to retire, giving President Donald Trump the chance to cement a conservative majority on the top court.

The conservative has been a swing vote on many decisions including the 5-4 rulings that decided same-sex marriage and upheld abortion rights.

And yesterday’s upholding of his Muslim travel ban, crazy way to make laws based on political appointees

FishFish

There is no muslim travel ban in America. There will be a ban on nationals from some countries travelling to the US. Have you got an issue against muslims?

robert88

rjsterry wrote:

Then again, the US voted for Trump....

Let's not forget..


Trump says the US voted for Trump. In fact 2.1% more voters chose Clinton.

Trump: 62,984,828 (46.1% )
Clinton: 65,853,514 (48.2% )

That's why despite all the evidence Trumps says it was a fix at the polling booths. It was a fix but not at the point the votes were cast.

shortfall

Robert88 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Then again, the US voted for Trump....

Let's not forget..


Trump says the US voted for Trump. In fact 2.1% more voters chose Clinton.

Trump: 62,984,828 (46.1% )
Clinton: 65,853,514 (48.2% )

That's why despite all the evidence Trumps says it was a fix at the polling booths. It was a fix but not at the point the votes were cast.

I'm no fan of Trump but surely he won the election under the rules in place at the time?

tangled_metal

Won the electoral vote not the popular vote in that Trump's votes were more focused on where they could win electoral college votes rather than a purely higher number of ballot votes spread too widely. In some ways Trump's campaign was the smarter one which is surprising.

I doubt America is the only country with the issue of most votes not winning the election. UK's first past the post is certainly one similar system for this disconnect.

shortfall

Tangled Metal wrote:

Won the electoral vote not the popular vote in that Trump's votes were more focused on where they could win electoral college votes rather than a purely higher number of ballot votes spread too widely. In some ways Trump's campaign was the smarter one which is surprising.

I doubt America is the only country with the issue of most votes not winning the election. UK's first past the post is certainly one similar system for this disconnect.

Yes but a candidate isn't required to win the popular vote. The electoral college exists for good reason. Hillary didn't win. People need to get over it.

rjsterry

Robert88 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Then again, the US voted for Trump....

Let's not forget..


Trump says the US voted for Trump. In fact 2.1% more voters chose Clinton.

Trump: 62,984,828 (46.1% )
Clinton: 65,853,514 (48.2% )

That's why despite all the evidence Trumps says it was a fix at the polling booths. It was a fix but not at the point the votes were cast.

Qualify it as enough people in the right places if you like, but them's the rules.

tangled_metal

Shortfall wrote:

Tangled Metal wrote:

Won the electoral vote not the popular vote in that Trump's votes were more focused on where they could win electoral college votes rather than a purely higher number of ballot votes spread too widely. In some ways Trump's campaign was the smarter one which is surprising.

I doubt America is the only country with the issue of most votes not winning the election. UK's first past the post is certainly one similar system for this disconnect.

Yes but a candidate isn't required to win the popular vote. The electoral college exists for good reason. Hillary didn't win. People need to get over it.

The issue I have is Trump has said that he got the most votes and his supporters too. One of his main false boasts. Like the biggest inauguration audience claim.

lostboysaint

Tangled Metal wrote:

Shortfall wrote:

Tangled Metal wrote:

Won the electoral vote not the popular vote in that Trump's votes were more focused on where they could win electoral college votes rather than a purely higher number of ballot votes spread too widely. In some ways Trump's campaign was the smarter one which is surprising.

I doubt America is the only country with the issue of most votes not winning the election. UK's first past the post is certainly one similar system for this disconnect.

Yes but a candidate isn't required to win the popular vote. The electoral college exists for good reason. Hillary didn't win. People need to get over it.

The issue I have is Trump has said that he got the most votes and his supporters too. One of his main false boasts. Like the biggest inauguration audience claim.

http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/391828-metro-pokes-fun-at-trump-white-house-over-caps-parade-crowd

DavidJB

FishFish wrote:

There is no muslim travel ban in America. There will be a ban on nationals from some countries travelling to the US. Have you got an issue against muslims?

And what if I have?

bianchimoon

DavidJB wrote:

FishFish wrote:

There is no muslim travel ban in America. There will be a ban on nationals from some countries travelling to the US. Have you got an issue against muslims?

And what if I have?

no one has more issues than conjoined fish.. except maybe Donald Dump

darkhairedlord

lostboysaint wrote:

Tangled Metal wrote:

Shortfall wrote:

Tangled Metal wrote:

Won the electoral vote not the popular vote in that Trump's votes were more focused on where they could win electoral college votes rather than a purely higher number of ballot votes spread too widely. In some ways Trump's campaign was the smarter one which is surprising.

I doubt America is the only country with the issue of most votes not winning the election. UK's first past the post is certainly one similar system for this disconnect.

Yes but a candidate isn't required to win the popular vote. The electoral college exists for good reason. Hillary didn't win. People need to get over it.

The issue I have is Trump has said that he got the most votes and his supporters too. One of his main false boasts. Like the biggest inauguration audience claim.

http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/391828-metro-pokes-fun-at-trump-white-house-over-caps-parade-crowd

The original claim was correct in that Spicer said it included global audience, interwebs, telly etc. It was trump that didn't listen and decided this was just those in Washington. Spicer was then forced to go out and defend Trumps misinterpretation as fact.

darkhairedlord

bianchimoon wrote:

DavidJB wrote:

FishFish wrote:

There is no muslim travel ban in America. There will be a ban on nationals from some countries travelling to the US. Have you got an issue against muslims?

And what if I have?

no one has more issues than conjoined fish.. except maybe Donald Dump

trout^2 thinks everyone on here is "anglo-saxon protestant white-folk" forgetting that there are a wide range of ethnic backgrounds, just like the USA.

kingstongraham

Shortfall wrote:

Tangled Metal wrote:

Won the electoral vote not the popular vote in that Trump's votes were more focused on where they could win electoral college votes rather than a purely higher number of ballot votes spread too widely. In some ways Trump's campaign was the smarter one which is surprising.

I doubt America is the only country with the issue of most votes not winning the election. UK's first past the post is certainly one similar system for this disconnect.

Yes but a candidate isn't required to win the popular vote. The electoral college exists for good reason. Hillary didn't win. People need to get over it.

The electoral college and the Senate being based on 2 seats per state is now delivering Republican majorities in the Senate and the Presidency based on a minority of the votes. Los Angeles alone now has more people than 23 of the states, despite only having 10% of California's population. This then allows them to select Supreme Court judges that will influence law for the next 50 years. If Democrats realise that the old norms aren't working for the population, then there will be a big change coming.

But that's not guaranteed.

john80

darkhairedlord wrote:

lostboysaint wrote:

Tangled Metal wrote:

Shortfall wrote:

Tangled Metal wrote:

Won the electoral vote not the popular vote in that Trump's votes were more focused on where they could win electoral college votes rather than a purely higher number of ballot votes spread too widely. In some ways Trump's campaign was the smarter one which is surprising.

I doubt America is the only country with the issue of most votes not winning the election. UK's first past the post is certainly one similar system for this disconnect.

Yes but a candidate isn't required to win the popular vote. The electoral college exists for good reason. Hillary didn't win. People need to get over it.

The issue I have is Trump has said that he got the most votes and his supporters too. One of his main false boasts. Like the biggest inauguration audience claim.

http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/391828-metro-pokes-fun-at-trump-white-house-over-caps-parade-crowd

The original claim was correct in that Spicer said it included global audience, interwebs, telly etc. It was trump that didn't listen and decided this was just those in Washington. Spicer was then forced to go out and defend Trumps misinterpretation as fact.

If you include every viewer in every format was Trumps inauguration any bigger than those before him. Has he by any chance chose to make a claim that is incredibly difficult to verify. For example if someone saw a new article picture of it post event was this classed as watching.

kingstongraham

His crowd at the rallies really will cheer anything:

I hate it, I meet these people, they call it the elite.

We got more money, we got more brains, we got better houses and apartments, we got nicer boats, we’re smarter than they are and they say they’re the elite. You’re the elite, we’re the elite.

Going for the "we got nicer boats" vote.

bianchimoon

KingstonGraham wrote:

His crowd at the rallies really will cheer anything:

I hate it, I meet these people, they call it the elite.

We got more money, we got more brains, we got better houses and apartments, we got nicer boats, we’re smarter than they are and they say they’re the elite. You’re the elite, we’re the elite.

Going for the "we got nicer boats" vote.

They were just talking about this on NBC, the host said i met him once and he said to me "Joe you need a big plane, like mine, big enough to walk around on, I told him i don't have the money for a plane, but he really believes most people have inherited $200m of their parents"
And to think he sold himself as the working mans president as he sits around a table at Mar a Lago with his millionaire chums who are benefitting massively from his tax cuts, there's no fool like a redneck fool

orraloon

bianchimoon wrote:

...there's no fool like a Brexit fool

FTFY