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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,344
    rjsterry wrote:
    Just to have the list to hand, so far we have:

    Calling for political opponents to be imprisoned.
    Threats to curtail press freedom.
    Attacks on the legitimacy of the press.
    Attacks on members of the judiciary.
    Suggesting that he is above the law and can pardon himself.
    Arguing that due process shouldn't apply to some people.
    Excusing violence by White Supremacists and Neo-Nazis.
    Claiming that his country is somehow being ripped off by... well pretty much everyone outside the US.
    Unashamed nepotism and cronyism.
    The encouragement of conflict within his own cabinet.
    Repeated public statements that are demonstrably and obviously not true to the point that they are a background hum.

    This list is not exhaustive.
    But the attempt to make him comparable with Hitler is getting quite exhausted :wink:
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Think your straw man is only really suitable for horse feed at this point.
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,526
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Veronese68 wrote:
    Imagine if Trump was just some bloke posting on a cycling forum and Stevo was POTUS? :lol:
    I would have done a better job on the tax reform bill for starters.

    Although I probably would have introduced a law against centre left smartarses who invoke Godwins law then claim that they didn't mean anything of the kind when challenged :)

    We're all smartarses in here, Stevo.
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  • bianchimoon
    bianchimoon Posts: 3,942
    Stevo, this forum bollox isn’t important in the grand scheme of things, turn ur bloody phone off and enjoy your family hol :wink:
    All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....
  • bianchimoon
    bianchimoon Posts: 3,942
    Congresswoman Maxine Waters, an extraordinarily low IQ person, has become, together with Nancy Pelosi, the Face of the Democrat Party. She has just called for harm to supporters, of which there are many, of the Make America Great Again movement. Be careful what you wish for Max!
    @realdonaldtrump
    If a trump supporter harmed Maxine Waters would he be guilty of incitement? Why does he always call people who disagree with him low IQ, it’s a pi$$ poor insult :roll:
    All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,431
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    briantrumpet wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Stevo is saying that as long as it doesn't get as far as mass state sponsored murder, there's nothing to worry about.
    Nope, try again. My point was that the comparison of Trump with Hitler is weak. You're neartly as bad as bianchimoon for misunderstanding my points.

    I understand that the key for you is winning the argument, so you have made it as narrow as possible. You've found yourself on the "Trump's not that bad" side of this one. Make it "he's not as bad as the worst human ever", and you can take the W. You're welcome to it.

    Meanwhile today, he's said he wants to get rid of the role of due process in deporting people, threatened a bigger trade war, and had a go at the Red Hen restaurant in Lexington for having filthy windows.
    I made point and I stick by it as people were claiming or at least implying that he was in the same league as the Third Reich.
    Would you care to quote where anyone said that Trump is in the same league as Hitler?

    Many people are saying it.
    Any many are saying it's tosh. So your point is what?

    :lol::lol::lol:
    No reply, so you have no point to make. Best stick to posting random links from 'verified' twitter accounts :wink:

    I could explain the joke if it helps. :wink:
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,431
    With Stevo's permission

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44604280

    "Harley-Davidson plans to shift some motorcycle production away from the US to avoid the "substantial" burden of European Union tariffs."
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • FishFish
    FishFish Posts: 2,152
    I think we should add to the list of crimes that he is being accused off the fact of him winning the democratic election.
    ...take your pickelf on your holibobs.... :D

    jeez :roll:
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Trump moving tact to channel his inner Stalin with “enemy of the people” chat.
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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Trump moving tact to channel his inner Stalin with “enemy of the people” chat.

    Surely there is a more recent example of people using that line.
  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    TailWindHome wrote:
    With Stevo's permission

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44604280

    "Harley-Davidson plans to shift some motorcycle production away from the US to avoid the "substantial" burden of European Union tariffs."

    And Trump is now cross with Harley-Davidson because they aren't playing his games for him. I suppose that's the end of H-D as one of Trumps favourite US companies......

    As an aside, who would want a non US built Harley-Davidson? But on the other hand, who would want a US made Harley-Davidson when you can get a non US built Harley-Davidson?!!! :D
    Faster than a tent.......
  • dinyull
    dinyull Posts: 2,979
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Dinyull wrote:
    Robert88 wrote:
    Trump's own supporters should take note of Trump's inhumanity. They too could be expendable.

    First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Socialist.

    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
    @briantrumpet - what do you think this post is implying?

    Have you actually read the post it was replying to?

    I mean, I know I'm wasting my time with you (as is everyone else), but come on Stevo.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,114
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    I'm no Trump fan, but how many people on here genuinely think that 21st century USA is going to follow the same path as 1930's Germany?

    (Don't worry, I'm going on holiday on Saturday :wink: )

    He's already on the same path, but I hope he gets stopped before he goes much further.
    And another. That's enough for now.

    I in no way say there that the USA will perpetrate institutional mass murder. Happy to help.
    The sound of enthusiastic backpedalling...I'm sure you didn't meant to make it sound like that at the time :wink:

    I said what I thought. And what I still think.
  • darkhairedlord
    darkhairedlord Posts: 7,180
    Rolf F wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    With Stevo's permission

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44604280

    "Harley-Davidson plans to shift some motorcycle production away from the US to avoid the "substantial" burden of European Union tariffs."

    And Trump is now cross with Harley-Davidson because they aren't playing his games for him. I suppose that's the end of H-D as one of Trumps favourite US companies......

    As an aside, who would want a non US built Harley-Davidson? But on the other hand, who would want a US made Harley-Davidson when you can get a non US built Harley-Davidson?!!! :D
    Who would want any Harley Davidson?
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    darkhairedlord wrote:
    Who would want any Harley Davidson?

    I'd have an XR750..or a VR1000
  • darkhairedlord
    darkhairedlord Posts: 7,180
    Imposter wrote:
    darkhairedlord wrote:
    Who would want any Harley Davidson?

    I'd have an XR750..or a VR1000
    I'd have a Suzuki RG500 Gamma or Suzuki GT750
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,114
    "The enemy of the people" - Trump, pointing at the press.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,887
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    "The enemy of the people" - Trump, pointing at the press.

    Out of interest, and I note your words on the subject of comparing Trump and Obama upthread, do you consider Obama with a similar level of disdain on this point?

    Reporters without borders currently rank the US 45th out of 180 on press freedom. The ranking was as low as 49th under Obama who, despite silky words, had a penchant for prosecuting whistleblowers.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    TheBigBean wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    "The enemy of the people" - Trump, pointing at the press.

    Out of interest, and I note your words on the subject of comparing Trump and Obama upthread, do you consider Obama with a similar level of disdain on this point?

    Reporters without borders currently rank the US 45th out of 180 on press freedom. The ranking was as low as 49th under Obama who, despite silky words, had a penchant for prosecuting whistleblowers.

    Oh come on Big Bean.

    Are you for real? What agenda are you pushing here?

    "Fake Media"

    "Fake news"

    "fake fake"

    http://thehill.com/homenews/media/39404 ... nns-acosta
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  • bianchimoon
    bianchimoon Posts: 3,942
    TheBigBean wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    "The enemy of the people" - Trump, pointing at the press.

    Out of interest, and I note your words on the subject of comparing Trump and Obama upthread, do you consider Obama with a similar level of disdain on this point?

    Reporters without borders currently rank the US 45th out of 180 on press freedom. The ranking was as low as 49th under Obama who, despite silky words, had a penchant for prosecuting whistleblowers.
    Trump has threatened people, said he would pay the legal fees of any of his supporters who hit demonstrators at his rallies, said there was maybe something second amendment supporters could do to Hillary, said he wanted to personally punch one demonstrator. Similar level of disdain!!!
    All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,887
    No agenda. Just creating debate. Dismiss as fake news if you like.

    http://time.com/4638617/chelsea-manning ... er-legacy/
    Obama’s good deed, however, should not obliterate his otherwise awful legacy on whistleblowers and leakers. Under Obama’s administration, more people were investigated and prosecuted for leaks than under all other U.S. presidents combined. Journalists were harried to rat out their sources until then-Attorney General Eric Holder finally conceded that reporters shouldn’t be punished for just doing their job. The administration never attempted to fix the Espionage Act. A former Assistant Inspector General in the Pentagon disclosed that, far from being protected when using “official channels,” National Security Agency whistleblowers were subject to retaliation and punishment—making Snowden’s decision to go straight to the media a wise one. The Insider Threat Program, implemented by Obama, further dried up sources of even unclassified information by requiring federal officials to report on each other’s suspicious behavior.
  • bianchimoon
    bianchimoon Posts: 3,942
    TheBigBean wrote:
    No agenda. Just creating debate. Dismiss as fake news if you like.

    http://time.com/4638617/chelsea-manning ... er-legacy/
    Obama’s good deed, however, should not obliterate his otherwise awful legacy on whistleblowers and leakers. Under Obama’s administration, more people were investigated and prosecuted for leaks than under all other U.S. presidents combined. Journalists were harried to rat out their sources until then-Attorney General Eric Holder finally conceded that reporters shouldn’t be punished for just doing their job. The administration never attempted to fix the Espionage Act. A former Assistant Inspector General in the Pentagon disclosed that, far from being protected when using “official channels,” National Security Agency whistleblowers were subject to retaliation and punishment—making Snowden’s decision to go straight to the media a wise one. The Insider Threat Program, implemented by Obama, further dried up sources of even unclassified information by requiring federal officials to report on each other’s suspicious behavior.

    that article seems to be all about getting a pardon for Edward Snowden? not sure how relevant it is to the Trump debate. Apart from Snowden went to Wikileaks = Assange wanted to get Trump in power and destroy Clinton = Trump was asking Wikileaks to release more of the Clinton emails etc? = Assange receives info from russian hackers and uses it to benefit Trump campaign, probably expecting Trump to 'pardon' him or drop charges = end result still grounded in a flat in london wasting away.
    All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,526
    Obama wasn't a saint. This much is already known. He failed to do anything substantive about Guantanamo, was far too happy to order state assassination via drone. Whether the state of US politics in which a large swathe of the electorate felt ignored is something that should be laid at his feet or those of Congress I don't know. A disappointment in lots of ways.

    But this is the Trump thread, and none of the above reduces Trump's misdeeds.
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    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,887
    rjsterry wrote:
    But this is the Trump thread, and none of the above reduces Trump's misdeeds.

    That is completely true. However, the relevance is whether Trump has worsened freedom of the press in the US. He has in some regards with his constant verbal attacks on the media, but equally he hasn't been as militant with prosecutions, so it is necessary to consider which of these is the worse crime. I made reference to Reporters Without Borders where all this can be considered.

    Of course, it is worth noting that the UK is ranked abysmally on freedom of press as well, but that is widely ignored too.
  • shortfall
    shortfall Posts: 3,288
    rjsterry wrote:
    Obama wasn't a saint. This much is already known. He failed to do anything substantive about Guantanamo, was far too happy to order state assassination via drone. Whether the state of US politics in which a large swathe of the electorate felt ignored is something that should be laid at his feet or those of Congress I don't know. A disappointment in lots of ways.

    But this is the Trump thread, and none of the above reduces Trump's misdeeds.

    You are absolutely right. Like big Bean though, I do question what appears to be some very selective outrage aimed at Trump by people who were prepared to hold their noses or look in the other direction when Obama was doing some pretty sh1tty things. Call it whataboutery if you like and no question, Trump is an utter oaf.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,526
    TheBigBean wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    But this is the Trump thread, and none of the above reduces Trump's misdeeds.

    That is completely true. However, the relevance is whether Trump has worsened freedom of the press in the US. He has in some regards with his constant verbal attacks on the media, but equally he hasn't been as militant with prosecutions, so it is necessary to consider which of these is the worse crime. I made reference to Reporters Without Borders where all this can be considered.

    Of course, it is worth noting that the UK is ranked abysmally on freedom of press as well, but that is widely ignored too.

    I think one difference is that Obama at least paid lip service to the idea of a free press. Trump loudly proclaims the opposite even if his actions are so disorganised as to have less effect.
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    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,114
    TheBigBean wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    But this is the Trump thread, and none of the above reduces Trump's misdeeds.

    That is completely true. However, the relevance is whether Trump has worsened freedom of the press in the US. He has in some regards with his constant verbal attacks on the media, but equally he hasn't been as militant with prosecutions, so it is necessary to consider which of these is the worse crime. I made reference to Reporters Without Borders where all this can be considered.

    Of course, it is worth noting that the UK is ranked abysmally on freedom of press as well, but that is widely ignored too.

    If people have been encouraged to not believe anything they write, then the press can report freely and it won't make any difference.
  • bianchimoon
    bianchimoon Posts: 3,942
    Donald J. Trump
    ✔
    @realDonaldTrump
    A Harley-Davidson should never be built in another country-never! Their employees and customers are already very angry at them. If they move, watch, it will be the beginning of the end - they surrendered, they quit! The Aura will be gone and they will be taxed like never before!
    :D:D that man is such a winner! wishing ruin on a major American Brand because they are pre-empting the disastrous economics of an multi bankrupted estate agent :D:D
    All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....
  • bianchimoon
    bianchimoon Posts: 3,942
    So have I got this right?
    Harley's must be built in the US
    Mercedes and BMW have to build their cars in the US
    The EU must buy more US cars
    But Ivanka Trump and the Trump organisation can have their merchandise made in China?
    All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....
  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    bianchimoon wrote:
    So have I got this right?
    Harley's must be built in the US
    Mercedes and BMW have to build their cars in the US
    The EU must buy more US cars
    But Ivanka Trump and the Trump organisation can have their merchandise made in China?

    Lucky for Trump that Trump didn't put big import duties on cheap Chinese made tat in the opening salvo of his trade war.
    Faster than a tent.......

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