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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 60,658
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Stevo is saying that as long as it doesn't get as far as mass state sponsored murder, there's nothing to worry about.
    Nope, try again. My point was that the comparison of Trump with Hitler is weak. You're neartly as bad as bianchimoon for misunderstanding my points.
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,111
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Stevo is saying that as long as it doesn't get as far as mass state sponsored murder, there's nothing to worry about.
    Nope, try again. My point was that the comparison of Trump with Hitler is weak. You're neartly as bad as bianchimoon for misunderstanding my points.
    So why keep banging on about state organised mass murder? It's not as if that was the only feature of note of the Third Reich.

    Anyway. What do you think are the important differences between then and Trump? Why do you think we don't need to worry (aside from not being Mexican immigrants)?
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 27,774
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Stevo is saying that as long as it doesn't get as far as mass state sponsored murder, there's nothing to worry about.
    Nope, try again. My point was that the comparison of Trump with Hitler is weak. You're neartly as bad as bianchimoon for misunderstanding my points.

    I understand that the key for you is winning the argument, so you have made it as narrow as possible. You've found yourself on the "Trump's not that bad" side of this one. Make it "he's not as bad as the worst human ever", and you can take the W. You're welcome to it.

    Meanwhile today, he's said he wants to get rid of the role of due process in deporting people, threatened a bigger trade war, and had a go at the Red Hen restaurant in Lexington for having filthy windows.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 60,658
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Stevo is saying that as long as it doesn't get as far as mass state sponsored murder, there's nothing to worry about.
    Nope, try again. My point was that the comparison of Trump with Hitler is weak. You're neartly as bad as bianchimoon for misunderstanding my points.

    I understand that the key for you is winning the argument, so you have made it as narrow as possible. You've found yourself on the "Trump's not that bad" side of this one. Make it "he's not as bad as the worst human ever", and you can take the W. You're welcome to it.

    Meanwhile today, he's said he wants to get rid of the role of due process in deporting people, threatened a bigger trade war, and had a go at the Red Hen restaurant in Lexington for having filthy windows.
    I made point and I stick by it as people were claiming or at least implying that he was in the same league as the Third Reich.

    Do you think the comparison is a good one?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 19,592
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Stevo is saying that as long as it doesn't get as far as mass state sponsored murder, there's nothing to worry about.
    Nope, try again. My point was that the comparison of Trump with Hitler is weak. You're neartly as bad as bianchimoon for misunderstanding my points.

    I understand that the key for you is winning the argument, so you have made it as narrow as possible. You've found yourself on the "Trump's not that bad" side of this one. Make it "he's not as bad as the worst human ever", and you can take the W. You're welcome to it.

    Meanwhile today, he's said he wants to get rid of the role of due process in deporting people, threatened a bigger trade war, and had a go at the Red Hen restaurant in Lexington for having filthy windows.
    I made point and I stick by it as people were claiming or at least implying that he was in the same league as the Third Reich.
    Would you care to quote where anyone said that Trump is in the same league as Hitler?
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 27,774
    edited June 2018
    I think he's very dangerous.

    The idea that he is part of the way down the same path is bad enough. I agree that surely it won't continue the same path, but still... whether it's really bad or the worst thing ever isn't an argument I'm going to have.
  • darkhairedlord
    darkhairedlord Posts: 7,180
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    I think he's very dangerous.
    Stevo?
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,310
    briantrumpet wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Stevo is saying that as long as it doesn't get as far as mass state sponsored murder, there's nothing to worry about.
    Nope, try again. My point was that the comparison of Trump with Hitler is weak. You're neartly as bad as bianchimoon for misunderstanding my points.

    I understand that the key for you is winning the argument, so you have made it as narrow as possible. You've found yourself on the "Trump's not that bad" side of this one. Make it "he's not as bad as the worst human ever", and you can take the W. You're welcome to it.

    Meanwhile today, he's said he wants to get rid of the role of due process in deporting people, threatened a bigger trade war, and had a go at the Red Hen restaurant in Lexington for having filthy windows.
    I made point and I stick by it as people were claiming or at least implying that he was in the same league as the Third Reich.
    Would you care to quote where anyone said that Trump is in the same league as Hitler?

    Many people are saying it.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 27,774
    darkhairedlord wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    I think he's very dangerous.
    Stevo?

    I think the reductive way of arguing where winning the argument is all important, and there's always a counterpoint to be made, and a side to be taken is unhelpful. It's a bit Monty Python.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 60,658
    TailWindHome wrote:
    briantrumpet wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Stevo is saying that as long as it doesn't get as far as mass state sponsored murder, there's nothing to worry about.
    Nope, try again. My point was that the comparison of Trump with Hitler is weak. You're neartly as bad as bianchimoon for misunderstanding my points.

    I understand that the key for you is winning the argument, so you have made it as narrow as possible. You've found yourself on the "Trump's not that bad" side of this one. Make it "he's not as bad as the worst human ever", and you can take the W. You're welcome to it.

    Meanwhile today, he's said he wants to get rid of the role of due process in deporting people, threatened a bigger trade war, and had a go at the Red Hen restaurant in Lexington for having filthy windows.
    I made point and I stick by it as people were claiming or at least implying that he was in the same league as the Third Reich.
    Would you care to quote where anyone said that Trump is in the same league as Hitler?

    Many people are saying it.
    Any many are saying it's tosh. So your point is what?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 27,774
    TailWindHome wrote:
    briantrumpet wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Stevo is saying that as long as it doesn't get as far as mass state sponsored murder, there's nothing to worry about.
    Nope, try again. My point was that the comparison of Trump with Hitler is weak. You're neartly as bad as bianchimoon for misunderstanding my points.

    I understand that the key for you is winning the argument, so you have made it as narrow as possible. You've found yourself on the "Trump's not that bad" side of this one. Make it "he's not as bad as the worst human ever", and you can take the W. You're welcome to it.

    Meanwhile today, he's said he wants to get rid of the role of due process in deporting people, threatened a bigger trade war, and had a go at the Red Hen restaurant in Lexington for having filthy windows.
    I made point and I stick by it as people were claiming or at least implying that he was in the same league as the Third Reich.
    Would you care to quote where anyone said that Trump is in the same league as Hitler?

    Many people are saying it.

    :)
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 60,658
    Dinyull wrote:
    Robert88 wrote:
    Trump's own supporters should take note of Trump's inhumanity. They too could be expendable.

    First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Socialist.

    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
    @briantrumpet - what do you think this post is implying?
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 60,658
    Rolf F wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    bianchimoon wrote:
    Dinyull wrote:
    Robert88 wrote:
    Trump's own supporters should take note of Trump's inhumanity. They too could be expendable.

    First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Socialist.

    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

    hmm applies to the 'few' posters on here who can't understand why we post about Trump and his regime :wink:
    I'm no Trump fan, but how many people on here genuinely think that 21st century USA is going to follow the same path as 1930's Germany?

    (Don't worry, I'm going on holiday on Saturday :wink: )

    Probably not but you’d be ignorant to suggest there are not enough similarities to warrant a comparison.

    What would Trump have done in Hitlers shoes? What would Hitler have done in Trumps shoes? I suspect Trump would be worse than Hitler in 1939 and Hitler better than Trump in 2018. People will of course completely fail to get the meaning of this post but I'm posting it anyway!
    Here's another one for you Brian. Yes theoretical but the jist is clear.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,310
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    briantrumpet wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Stevo is saying that as long as it doesn't get as far as mass state sponsored murder, there's nothing to worry about.
    Nope, try again. My point was that the comparison of Trump with Hitler is weak. You're neartly as bad as bianchimoon for misunderstanding my points.

    I understand that the key for you is winning the argument, so you have made it as narrow as possible. You've found yourself on the "Trump's not that bad" side of this one. Make it "he's not as bad as the worst human ever", and you can take the W. You're welcome to it.

    Meanwhile today, he's said he wants to get rid of the role of due process in deporting people, threatened a bigger trade war, and had a go at the Red Hen restaurant in Lexington for having filthy windows.
    I made point and I stick by it as people were claiming or at least implying that he was in the same league as the Third Reich.
    Would you care to quote where anyone said that Trump is in the same league as Hitler?

    Many people are saying it.
    Any many are saying it's tosh. So your point is what?

    :lol::lol::lol:
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 60,658
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    I'm no Trump fan, but how many people on here genuinely think that 21st century USA is going to follow the same path as 1930's Germany?

    (Don't worry, I'm going on holiday on Saturday :wink: )

    He's already on the same path, but I hope he gets stopped before he goes much further.
    And another. That's enough for now.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 27,774
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Rolf F wrote:

    What would Trump have done in Hitlers shoes? What would Hitler have done in Trumps shoes? I suspect Trump would be worse than Hitler in 1939 and Hitler better than Trump in 2018. People will of course completely fail to get the meaning of this post but I'm posting it anyway!
    Here's another one for you Brian. Yes theoretical but the jist is clear.

    What you have quoted predicted that people would misinterpret it.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 27,774
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    I'm no Trump fan, but how many people on here genuinely think that 21st century USA is going to follow the same path as 1930's Germany?

    (Don't worry, I'm going on holiday on Saturday :wink: )

    He's already on the same path, but I hope he gets stopped before he goes much further.
    And another. That's enough for now.

    I in no way say there that the USA will perpetrate institutional mass murder. Happy to help.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,111
    edited June 2018
    Just to have the list to hand, so far we have:

    Calling for political opponents to be imprisoned.
    Threats to curtail press freedom.
    Attacks on the legitimacy of the press.
    Attacks on members of the judiciary.
    Suggesting that he is above the law and can pardon himself.
    Arguing that due process shouldn't apply to some people.
    Excusing violence by White Supremacists and Neo-Nazis.
    Claiming that his country is somehow being ripped off by... well pretty much everyone outside the US.
    Unashamed nepotism and cronyism.
    The encouragement of conflict within his own cabinet.
    Repeated public statements that are demonstrably and obviously not true to the point that they are a background hum.

    This list is not exhaustive.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 27,774
    He lies so much, it's become completely unremarkable. That's terrible in itself.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,111
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    He lies so much, it's become completely unremarkable. That's terrible in itself.
    Added to the list.
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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 19,592
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Dinyull wrote:
    Robert88 wrote:
    Trump's own supporters should take note of Trump's inhumanity. They too could be expendable.

    First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Socialist.

    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
    @briantrumpet - what do you think this post is implying?
    I think this implying that Trump is showing many tendencies that were seen in their worst example in Hitler. Just because Trump is probably not going to be as bad as Hitler, however, does not mean that there shouldn't be a push back against his corruption, law breaking, and authoritarianism. Are you really comfortable with children being put in cages, or the mindset that that is a valid way to solve a complex problem? Just because he is unlikely to get away with being a full-blown Hitler, you appear to be giving him a carte blanche to carry on, unless he starts gassing people. And you seem to be saying that anyone who uses historical precedent to warn of the dangers of creeping authoritarianism is hand-wringing and saying Trump is as bad as Hitler. That's willful misinterpretation.

    At what point would you step in and say Trump's overstepped the mark? Or does anything go as long as he winds up hand-wringing liberals, and doesn't kill too many people in the US?
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  • bianchimoon
    bianchimoon Posts: 3,942
    TailWindHome wrote:
    briantrumpet wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Stevo is saying that as long as it doesn't get as far as mass state sponsored murder, there's nothing to worry about.
    Nope, try again. My point was that the comparison of Trump with Hitler is weak. You're neartly as bad as bianchimoon for misunderstanding my points.

    I understand that the key for you is winning the argument, so you have made it as narrow as possible. You've found yourself on the "Trump's not that bad" side of this one. Make it "he's not as bad as the worst human ever", and you can take the W. You're welcome to it.

    Meanwhile today, he's said he wants to get rid of the role of due process in deporting people, threatened a bigger trade war, and had a go at the Red Hen restaurant in Lexington for having filthy windows.
    I made point and I stick by it as people were claiming or at least implying that he was in the same league as the Third Reich.
    Would you care to quote where anyone said that Trump is in the same league as Hitler?

    Many people are saying it.
    :D:D:D:D:D I got it even if stevo didn’t
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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 19,592
    bianchimoon wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    briantrumpet wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Stevo is saying that as long as it doesn't get as far as mass state sponsored murder, there's nothing to worry about.
    Nope, try again. My point was that the comparison of Trump with Hitler is weak. You're neartly as bad as bianchimoon for misunderstanding my points.

    I understand that the key for you is winning the argument, so you have made it as narrow as possible. You've found yourself on the "Trump's not that bad" side of this one. Make it "he's not as bad as the worst human ever", and you can take the W. You're welcome to it.

    Meanwhile today, he's said he wants to get rid of the role of due process in deporting people, threatened a bigger trade war, and had a go at the Red Hen restaurant in Lexington for having filthy windows.
    I made point and I stick by it as people were claiming or at least implying that he was in the same league as the Third Reich.
    Would you care to quote where anyone said that Trump is in the same league as Hitler?

    Many people are saying it.
    :D:D:D:D:D I got it even if stevo didn’t
    Many people are getting it.
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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    rjsterry wrote:
    Just to have the list to hand, so far we have:

    Calling for political opponents to be imprisoned.
    Threats to curtail press freedom.
    Attacks on the legitimacy of the press.
    Attacks on members of the judiciary.
    Suggesting that he is above the law and can pardon himself.
    Arguing that due process shouldn't apply to some people.
    Excusing violence by White Supremacists and Neo-Nazis.
    Claiming that his country is somehow being ripped off by... well pretty much everyone outside the US.
    Unashamed nepotism and cronyism.
    The encouragement of conflict within his own cabinet.
    Repeated public statements that are demonstrably and obviously not true to the point that they are a background hum.

    This list is not exhaustive.

    Well as a benchmarking tool numbers 4, 8, 9, 10, and 11 could all be referring to the UK

    I really think that comparisons with Hitler are unhelpful to the argument against him
  • veronese68
    veronese68 Posts: 27,700
    Imagine if Trump was just some bloke posting on a cycling forum and Stevo was POTUS? :lol:
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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 19,592
    Well, here's a reasonably level-headed ethics lawyer from the Obama administration today:

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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,111
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    Just to have the list to hand, so far we have:

    Calling for political opponents to be imprisoned.
    Threats to curtail press freedom.
    Attacks on the legitimacy of the press.
    Attacks on members of the judiciary.
    Suggesting that he is above the law and can pardon himself.
    Arguing that due process shouldn't apply to some people.
    Excusing violence by White Supremacists and Neo-Nazis.
    Claiming that his country is somehow being ripped off by... well pretty much everyone outside the US.
    Unashamed nepotism and cronyism.
    The encouragement of conflict within his own cabinet.
    Repeated public statements that are demonstrably and obviously not true to the point that they are a background hum.

    This list is not exhaustive.

    Well as a benchmarking tool numbers 4, 8, 9, 10, and 11 could all be referring to the UK

    I really think that comparisons with Hitler are unhelpful to the argument against him

    They could, but in our case they are things which have happened rather than things that the head of state has done. As said, it was Stevo that raised the direct Hitler comparison rather than a more general discussion of why those actions are not good for any democracy. I think there are similarities as there are with plenty of other authoritarian regimes, but would agree that the emotiveness of Hitler makes it difficult to have a sensible discussion.
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 60,658
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    briantrumpet wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Stevo is saying that as long as it doesn't get as far as mass state sponsored murder, there's nothing to worry about.
    Nope, try again. My point was that the comparison of Trump with Hitler is weak. You're neartly as bad as bianchimoon for misunderstanding my points.

    I understand that the key for you is winning the argument, so you have made it as narrow as possible. You've found yourself on the "Trump's not that bad" side of this one. Make it "he's not as bad as the worst human ever", and you can take the W. You're welcome to it.

    Meanwhile today, he's said he wants to get rid of the role of due process in deporting people, threatened a bigger trade war, and had a go at the Red Hen restaurant in Lexington for having filthy windows.
    I made point and I stick by it as people were claiming or at least implying that he was in the same league as the Third Reich.
    Would you care to quote where anyone said that Trump is in the same league as Hitler?

    Many people are saying it.
    Any many are saying it's tosh. So your point is what?

    :lol::lol::lol:
    No reply, so you have no point to make. Best stick to posting random links from 'verified' twitter accounts :wink:
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 60,658
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    I'm no Trump fan, but how many people on here genuinely think that 21st century USA is going to follow the same path as 1930's Germany?

    (Don't worry, I'm going on holiday on Saturday :wink: )

    He's already on the same path, but I hope he gets stopped before he goes much further.
    And another. That's enough for now.

    I in no way say there that the USA will perpetrate institutional mass murder. Happy to help.
    The sound of enthusiastic backpedalling...I'm sure you didn't meant to make it sound like that at the time :wink:
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 60,658
    Veronese68 wrote:
    Imagine if Trump was just some bloke posting on a cycling forum and Stevo was POTUS? :lol:
    I would have done a better job on the tax reform bill for starters.

    Although I probably would have introduced a law against centre left smartarses who invoke Godwins law then claim that they didn't mean anything of the kind when challenged :)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]

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