Donald Trump

rick_chasey

He's blamed it on the democrats already so by signing it away he'll claim he's signing democrat policy away.

The partisan crowd will agree.

I've finally succumbed to the realisation that if you want to analyse this stuff you have to broadly ignore the truth and just focus on what people are saying; they are rarely related.

Stevo_666

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

If the decent people of america don't take action soon we and our children will have dark times ahead!

Armageddon!

Have a great holiday, drink beer and forget about Trump for a while eh

I certainly will enjoy my hols ta, although it's probably not me who needs to forget about Trump for a while

No, I am sure you tick all the right boxes so you will be fine!

I would be very surprised if his holiday plans involve smuggling his family over the Mexican border into the USA

True, we're only off to Cyprus. The border between the Greek and Turkish controlled parts is quite interesting apparently.

orraloon

Stevo 666 wrote:

True, we're only off to Cyprus. The border between the Greek and Turkish controlled parts is quite interesting apparently.

Used to be. Easy now.

Stevo_666

orraloon wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

True, we're only off to Cyprus. The border between the Greek and Turkish controlled parts is quite interesting apparently.

Used to be. Easy now.

I just meant interesting rather than dangerous - someone in the office who is Greek Cypriot said that it's worth going across and having a look.

robert88

Stevo 666 wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

If the decent people of america don't take action soon we and our children will have dark times ahead!

Armageddon!

Have a great holiday, drink beer and forget about Trump for a while eh

I certainly will enjoy my hols ta, although it's probably not me who needs to forget about Trump for a while

No, I am sure you tick all the right boxes so you will be fine!

I would be very surprised if his holiday plans involve smuggling his family over the Mexican border into the USA

True, we're only off to Cyprus. The border between the Greek and Turkish controlled parts is quite interesting apparently.

Yes, you should visit the ghost towns. Remember to duck - if you hear the bang it means they missed. (I was in Cyprus for a while).

veronese68

Isn’t Cyprus good for plane spotting?

rjsterry

Child separation ended by executive order. Just waiting for the claim that he's saved the day to come through.

tailwindhome

rjsterry wrote:

Child separation ended by executive order. Just waiting for the claim that he's saved the day to come through.

The president said his wife, Melania, and daughter, Ivanka, who reportedly have been applying pressure on him to drop the policy in recent days, "feel strongly" about ending the practice of separating migrant families.

"I think anybody with a heart would feel very strongly about it," he said. "We don't like to see families separated."

Didn't you know that he's a strong leader who listened to his compassionate wife?

tailwindhome

Nigel Farage@Nigel_Farage

Americans want strong borders. @realDonaldTrump has got to stay tough on this and ignore the screams coming from the liberal media.

tailwindhome

Aviva Dautch@AvivaDautch

I’ve seen several tweets comparing this to Nazis / The Holocaust and saying things like “this is how it begins”. I teach Holocaust Literature so let me be clear - this ISN’T how it began. This is already several stages along the way.

Matthewfalle

Robert88 wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

If the decent people of america don't take action soon we and our children will have dark times ahead!

Armageddon!

Have a great holiday, drink beer and forget about Trump for a while eh

I certainly will enjoy my hols ta, although it's probably not me who needs to forget about Trump for a while

No, I am sure you tick all the right boxes so you will be fine!

I would be very surprised if his holiday plans involve smuggling his family over the Mexican border into the USA

True, we're only off to Cyprus. The border between the Greek and Turkish controlled parts is quite interesting apparently.

Yes, you should visit the ghost towns. Remember to duck - if you hear the bang it means they missed. (I was in Cyprus for a while).

TOSCA, the famous sun tan tour.....

finchy

TailWindHome wrote:

Nigel Farage@Nigel_Farage

Americans want strong borders. @realDonaldTrump has got to stay tough on this and ignore the screams coming from the liberal media.

Nigel Farage being a total pr1ck? First time for everything....

rick_chasey

The only consolation, and it’s a small one, is that it was unpopular enough for the president to row back on.

That and the press did actually report it; my suspicion is when this type of thing is tried again the press won’t get so much access...

rolf_f

TailWindHome wrote:

Nigel Farage@Nigel_Farage

Americans want strong borders. @realDonaldTrump has got to stay tough on this and ignore the screams coming from the small children in the cages.

You miss quoted him......

robert88

..and no doubt there will be a Trump-style back lash.

It's reported that the Kim Jong Un's visit to China went very well for the N. Korean dictator. Trump's trade war on China will be good news for him since Trump depends on China upholding sanctions against N. Korea. Also China will not want to see regime change in N.Korea if it means the US military can more easily reach their border. There is no sign that North Korea's de-nuclearisation has gone anywhere although maybe it could take place by moving infrastucture to a third country, maybe China.

Trump's own supporters should take note of Trump's inhumanity. They too could be expendable.

dinyull

Robert88 wrote:

Trump's own supporters should take note of Trump's inhumanity. They too could be expendable.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

kingstongraham

Rick Chasey wrote:

The only consolation, and it’s a small one, is that it was unpopular enough for the president to row back on.

That and the press did actually report it; my suspicion is when this type of thing is tried again the press won’t get so much access...

Well, he went on TV and made a move like he was solving the problem he created.

My prediction: The executive order he has signed seems to be illegal, as it says that the families will still be held indefinitely, but they will be held together. There is a ruling (the Flores settlement) that children accompanied by parents can only be held for 20 days. In 20 days time, this executive order will be challenged in court, Trump will lose. At that point, his administration will start separating families again, and say "It's not me, it's the courts, and the law. The Democrats are causing this by not agreeing to change all the immigration laws."

As it directly relates to the UK, 20 days from today is 11th July, two days before Trump is supposed to meet the Queen. If it blows up again, every question to him while he is here will be about baby jails.

rick_chasey

Robert88 wrote:

Trump's own supporters should take note of Trump's inhumanity. They too could be expendable.

Why would they take note of something they genuinely believe is fabricated?

bianchimoon

Dinyull wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

Trump's own supporters should take note of Trump's inhumanity. They too could be expendable.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

hmm applies to the 'few' posters on here who can't understand why we post about Trump and his regime

Stevo_666

bianchimoon wrote:

Dinyull wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

Trump's own supporters should take note of Trump's inhumanity. They too could be expendable.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

hmm applies to the 'few' posters on here who can't understand why we post about Trump and his regime

I'm no Trump fan, but how many people on here genuinely think that 21st century USA is going to follow the same path as 1930's Germany?

(Don't worry, I'm going on holiday on Saturday )

rick_chasey

Stevo 666 wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

Dinyull wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

Trump's own supporters should take note of Trump's inhumanity. They too could be expendable.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

hmm applies to the 'few' posters on here who can't understand why we post about Trump and his regime

I'm no Trump fan, but how many people on here genuinely think that 21st century USA is going to follow the same path as 1930's Germany?

(Don't worry, I'm going on holiday on Saturday )

Probably not but you’d be ignorant to suggest there are not enough similarities to warrant a comparison.

rolf_f

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

Dinyull wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

Trump's own supporters should take note of Trump's inhumanity. They too could be expendable.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

hmm applies to the 'few' posters on here who can't understand why we post about Trump and his regime

I'm no Trump fan, but how many people on here genuinely think that 21st century USA is going to follow the same path as 1930's Germany?

(Don't worry, I'm going on holiday on Saturday )

Probably not but you’d be ignorant to suggest there are not enough similarities to warrant a comparison.

What would Trump have done in Hitlers shoes? What would Hitler have done in Trumps shoes? I suspect Trump would be worse than Hitler in 1939 and Hitler better than Trump in 2018. People will of course completely fail to get the meaning of this post but I'm posting it anyway!

kingstongraham

Stevo 666 wrote:

I'm no Trump fan, but how many people on here genuinely think that 21st century USA is going to follow the same path as 1930's Germany?

(Don't worry, I'm going on holiday on Saturday )

He's already on the same path, but I hope he gets stopped before he goes much further.

Stevo_666

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

Dinyull wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

Trump's own supporters should take note of Trump's inhumanity. They too could be expendable.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

hmm applies to the 'few' posters on here who can't understand why we post about Trump and his regime

I'm no Trump fan, but how many people on here genuinely think that 21st century USA is going to follow the same path as 1930's Germany?

(Don't worry, I'm going on holiday on Saturday )

Probably not but you’d be ignorant to suggest there are not enough similarities to warrant a comparison.

Implications of ignorance for maybe taking a different view from you aside :roll: , do you see the US engaging in genocide? The implication from the quote above is that some people think they will.

rick_chasey

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

Dinyull wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

Trump's own supporters should take note of Trump's inhumanity. They too could be expendable.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

hmm applies to the 'few' posters on here who can't understand why we post about Trump and his regime

I'm no Trump fan, but how many people on here genuinely think that 21st century USA is going to follow the same path as 1930's Germany?

(Don't worry, I'm going on holiday on Saturday )

Probably not but you’d be ignorant to suggest there are not enough similarities to warrant a comparison.

Implications of ignorance for maybe taking a different view from you aside :roll: , do you see the US engaging in genocide? The implication from the quote above is that some people think they will.

Yeah go do some proper reading on Nazi Germany and come back to us. Or indeed the broader European far right in that period.

Here’s a clue, the relevant dates to consider start a little earlier than you think they do.

rick_chasey

Understanding what the word “comparison” means in that context would also help.

Stevo_666

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

Dinyull wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

Trump's own supporters should take note of Trump's inhumanity. They too could be expendable.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

hmm applies to the 'few' posters on here who can't understand why we post about Trump and his regime

I'm no Trump fan, but how many people on here genuinely think that 21st century USA is going to follow the same path as 1930's Germany?

(Don't worry, I'm going on holiday on Saturday )

Probably not but you’d be ignorant to suggest there are not enough similarities to warrant a comparison.

Implications of ignorance for maybe taking a different view from you aside :roll: , do you see the US engaging in genocide? The implication from the quote above is that some people think they will.

Yeah go do some proper reading on Nazi Germany and come back to us. Or indeed the broader European far right in that period.

Here’s a clue, the relevant dates to consider start a little earlier than you think they do.

Stop being condescending and answer my question.

Pross

Stevo 666 wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

Dinyull wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

Trump's own supporters should take note of Trump's inhumanity. They too could be expendable.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

hmm applies to the 'few' posters on here who can't understand why we post about Trump and his regime

I'm no Trump fan, but how many people on here genuinely think that 21st century USA is going to follow the same path as 1930's Germany?

(Don't worry, I'm going on holiday on Saturday )

I've always wondered how Nazi Germany managed to end up going all the way down that path though, I could understand that disgruntled voters suffering from economic problems voted for someone who seemed to be agreeing with them but subsequent elections were won on a more extreme platform. I keep thinking that the US electorate will realise what Trump is like and his support will go but there seems to be a lot of support for his more extreme policies and those supporters write off anything they don't want to believe as fake news. Whilst it seems highly unlikely the US could go down the route of 1930s Germany it's dangerous to completely disregard it.

Examples I saw yesterday on social media included someone arguing that locking up the Mexican kids isn't as bad as locking up Jewish kids was as the Jewish kids hadn't entered the country illegally and another stating that if you supported compulsory education that separates kids from their parents then it is no different to the Mexican situation (both cases seemed to be genuine opinion rather than trolling).

There certainly seems to have been a lurch to the right since the financial crisis in large parts of Western Europe as well as the US and whilst it will hopefully never reach 1930s German levels of hatred it feels to me like religious and racial intolerance is on the rise. I always thought I was quite right of centre but feel like I'm a liberal these days!

tangled_metal

Stevo 666 wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

Dinyull wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

Trump's own supporters should take note of Trump's inhumanity. They too could be expendable.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

hmm applies to the 'few' posters on here who can't understand why we post about Trump and his regime

I'm no Trump fan, but how many people on here genuinely think that 21st century USA is going to follow the same path as 1930's Germany?

(Don't worry, I'm going on holiday on Saturday )

If he was really as bad as Hitler wouldn't the order be wrong? Jews would be higher up the list. Were trade unions subverted to Hitler's ends in Germany back then? It just seems a melodramatic post. As much as I dislike and oppose trump and all he claims he stands for I do not see him as a Hitler figure. I don't see him as capable of driving America down such a path.

Stevo_666

Pross wrote:

Whilst it seems highly unlikely the US could go down the route of 1930s Germany it's dangerous to completely disregard it.

This is the key point. It is possible but extremely unlikely.

However, as seems quite common on here, exaggeration and hand wringing come to the fore pretty quickly.