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  • slowmart
    slowmart Posts: 4,516
    The impact, either way from HC will be shaped by who controls the house.

    Hilary is ambitious and can overshadow her husband if she makes her mark for the right reasons and that will be a key driver as her journey won't finish until she relinquishes office. The Republicans will help the effectiveness as they are already squaring off for a post election power push for control of the party. It'll be like UKIP except with WMD.
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  • finchy
    finchy Posts: 6,686
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    OK - thanks.

    The view I got separately from those whomare trying to be objective seems to be that HC is way preferable to Trump as she is not going to do anything really stupid, but is likely to be relatively ineffective for a number of reasons, increasing the disillusionment with the establishment.

    I think the biggest problem with Clinton is that she consistently votes for war. I can't see her election as being anything other than a continuation of the status quo.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,603
    Alistair Cook always said that the American political elite was for the elite.
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  • BelgianBeerGeek
    BelgianBeerGeek Posts: 5,226
    finchy wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    OK - thanks.

    The view I got separately from those whomare trying to be objective seems to be that HC is way preferable to Trump as she is not going to do anything really stupid, but is likely to be relatively ineffective for a number of reasons, increasing the disillusionment with the establishment.

    I think the biggest problem with Clinton is that she consistently votes for war. I can't see her election as being anything other than a continuation of the status quo.
    ^This. Out of two candidates, one would go to war easily, without qualms or conscience. And that is not Trump.
    Luckily now we are a third world country with no money, we are not going to be sucked into that nonsense again.
    Or would we...
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  • fat daddy
    fat daddy Posts: 2,605
    BelgianBeerGeek wrote:
    Luckily now we are a third world country with no money,...


    errrrr, we had no money before .... its just now the money we don't have is worth less
  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    America will go to war no matter who is in power. It's the nature of the powers that be. There's actually benefits to the president with wars. Who knows which nation or groups trump will go to war against. At least HC has a degree of predictability over that. She'll try to take on Russia in a proxy conflict/war of words and diplomacy. Trump could lash out at anyone.

    However it's not just rednecks supporting him. There's the mythical shy Trump supporter. Intellectually capable and even supposed to have a high proportion of women in their ranks.

    Then there's the Clinton/Obama bankers in the black vote. Really going to vote for HC? She's not her husband as far as that demographic goes.

    It's still going to be down to who gets key voters out. Republicans are kind of split over trump, possibly more than democrats over HC. Definitely about the least worst taste in the mouth scenario. My personal view is low turnout and Democrats getting more of their votes out on key seats. Plus isn't there supposed.to be a 220,000 vote across key seats that Trump has to overcome? Kind of like how the current constituencies give Labour an unfair advantage.

    It would be interesting if trump got in and got a second term, also in 2020 Corbyn got in. I wonder how those two crackpots would get on!
  • The Rookie
    The Rookie Posts: 27,816
    BelgianBeerGeek wrote:
    ^This. Out of two candidates, one would go to war easily, without qualms or conscience. And that is not Trump.
    Luckily now we are a third world country with no money, we are not going to be sucked into that nonsense again.
    Or would we...
    I presume this glosses over the fact that Trump has promised to carpet bomb Syria, commit war crimes by killing the families of all terrorists and supports the Russian action (committing war crimes) in bombing Syrian civilian targets like hospitals and air convoys?

    Not to mention that he can't take criticism at all and lashes out without any normal human being's filter when it happens.

    In my opinion he is a sociopath who has no place in the oval office, I grew up with a sociopath for a cousin, on the face they can be nice people but lying glibly while screwing you over is second nature to them, normal human morality is an anachronism to them and Trump displays all the classic outward signs - he couldn't lie straight in bed.

    I really do not want HRC as President, but compared to Trump she's an Angel with a shining Halo - how has a country of 300M come down to having these 2 as they best candidates they could find?
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  • RideOnTime
    RideOnTime Posts: 4,712
    so the latest seems he letchs at 10 year old girls on esculators with inappropriate lechy comments thrown in, ok for an 11 year old…
  • mrfpb
    mrfpb Posts: 4,569
    Not wanting to suggest the BBC is biased but this story seems to have been buried on the news:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37673802

    The main election headlines are Trump's claim of a rigged election.
  • The Rookie
    The Rookie Posts: 27,816
    That's him lashing out, he knows he's going to lose and as it can't possibly be his fault has to find an excuse (for himself to believe) - classic sociopath.
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  • bianchimoon
    bianchimoon Posts: 3,942
    Trump and his cronies are playing a clever game by claiming the election is rigged, the media is rigged and the debate moderators are rigged against him, in fact any one who is against him is crooked and corrupt. Whilst it may be laughable to us in the UK/Europe, and he will lose the election there are many, many millions that agree and believe him. He's laying the foundation for a hostile takeover by the deplorables of the republican party and the party leaders are sleep walking into it by keeping quiet and not denouncing him and his surrogates/advisors. As a party the GOP are culpable in what is going to be a messy period after Nov 8th.
    All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,267
    mrfpb wrote:
    Not wanting to suggest the BBC is biased but this story seems to have been buried on the news:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37673802

    The main election headlines are Trump's claim of a rigged election.

    And even in reacting to that he comes across as an idiot saying it was done by animals "representing Clinton".

    I just read Jon Ronson's mini-book about meeting his old friend from infiltrating Bohemian Grove who is now influencing the Trump campaign. Scary.
  • Ben6899
    Ben6899 Posts: 9,686
    The Rookie wrote:
    That's him lashing out, he knows he's going to lose and as it can't possibly be his fault has to find an excuse (for himself to believe) - classic sociopath.

    Yep. I used to live with one. Fuck1ng horror show, mate. Of which it seems you are already aware.
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  • The Rookie
    The Rookie Posts: 27,816
    Oh yes......I could list his sins (and crimes) but it would take a long time, but the point is once you know what to look for its clear he is one, and that of itself makes him wholly unsuitable for any public office let alone the most powerful man on earth!
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  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    mrfpb wrote:
    Not wanting to suggest the BBC is biased but this story seems to have been buried on the news:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37673802

    The main election headlines are Trump's claim of a rigged election.
    So republican party offices fired by some ill-doers. Back in the UK, iirc,the south Lakeland Tory party offices got torched just before the GE which the power switched.from Tory to Lib Dems. I see a pattern.... :wink::D

    Right wing offices torched just before the left leaning crowd takes over. It's a socialist take over. Last chance to save America folks... vote Trump before it's too late! :wink:
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,017
    Pinno wrote:
    I see your point. I loved the J Heller book. How to concoct a totally improbable scenario and sell it to the reader so that the reader cannot think of an alternative resolution.
    Now as for the French Lieutenants Woman... What a crock of sh1t.

    The Catch 22 is furthered in that there are question marks over HC but she is the lesser of two evils unless her tenure is a catastrophe - then people will say 'We should have voted for Trump' which will open the door to another Trump or Palin figure. Historically, few Presidential candidates ever go for Presidency a second time around after failing the first time round; that we can be grateful for. It must be something to do with the winners and losers culture in the US.

    You're only saying that because she's a woman aren't you?
    Misogynist!
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,603
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Pinno wrote:
    I see your point. I loved the J Heller book. How to concoct a totally improbable scenario and sell it to the reader so that the reader cannot think of an alternative resolution.
    Now as for the French Lieutenants Woman... What a crock of sh1t.

    The Catch 22 is furthered in that there are question marks over HC but she is the lesser of two evils unless her tenure is a catastrophe - then people will say 'We should have voted for Trump' which will open the door to another Trump or Palin figure. Historically, few Presidential candidates ever go for Presidency a second time around after failing the first time round; that we can be grateful for. It must be something to do with the winners and losers culture in the US.

    You're only saying that because she's a woman aren't you?
    Misogynist!

    Still in holiday mood Bally?!
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  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,017
    Scouring t'internet for more next year. Missus thinks she's Judith Chalmers married to Alan Whicker with VTech's income.
    (Although mine is ethically acquired)
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,917
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Scouring t'internet for more next year. Missus thinks she's Judith Chalmers married to Alan Whicker with VTech's income.
    (Although mine is ethically acquired)
    Speaking of which, he has been spotted recently:
    https://youtu.be/QN8luZTlSAE
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  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,017
    Nah, can't be one of his. Nobody looking at the engine, shaking their head and no mechanic, sorry, technician, drawing a graph on the back of a fag packet.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,571
    FYI, Paddypower have paid out on Clinton winning.
    Bookies tend to know more than us.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    PBlakeney wrote:
    FYI, Paddypower have paid out on Clinton winning.
    Bookies tend to know more than us.

    Bookies pay out early to get publicity like this.
    _
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,571
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    PBlakeney wrote:
    FYI, Paddypower have paid out on Clinton winning.
    Bookies tend to know more than us.

    Bookies pay out early to get publicity like this.
    I'm still confident that they are right.
    And already have the winnings to celebrate with. PS - Even Trump thinks he's going to lose.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    Isn't he getting excuses in early. Media bias (Corbyn uses this I believe). I think he'll position himself as beaten by the system, biased against the Washington outsider. A rallying point for disaffected right wingers then go quietly into his media work on the apprentice and back to business until his family money runs out.

    I think he'll be a slightly more palatable version of Palen. Perhaps with his own call in show.
  • team47b
    team47b Posts: 6,425
    History in the making, as Rich Hall said we are about to elect the First Lady president or the first last president :D
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  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    The lack of political policy coming out of Trump's funny shaped mouth is quite amazing, all that is left is the media circus. Of course, this is all Trump ever wanted this to be. He thought his personality would see him through, what he forgot to take into account is that he doesn't have a good one. Plus, all in all, he is a bit dim.

    Breaking on the news (right this second), aaaaanother allegation from a woman against Trump.

    Anyone doubting these allegations? Of course there will be or could be some people who'd falsely come forward, but I think it is very likely there will be more and more.
  • The Rookie
    The Rookie Posts: 27,816
    Trump only has one firm policy (the wall he's going to magically persuade the Mexican government to build) and one vague one (to cut taxes to make himself richer).
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  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,297
    The Rookie wrote:
    Trump only has one firm policy (the wall he's going to magically persuade the Mexican government to build) and one vague one (to cut taxes to make himself richer).
    Becoming rather similar to the Leavebollix (to paraphrase our resident tax dodger) spouted in the UK leading up to June 23rd. One trusts enough of the US public at large aren't quite so gullible...
  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    The Rookie wrote:
    Trump only has one firm policy (the wall he's going to magically persuade the Mexican government to build) and one vague one (to cut taxes to make himself richer).

    Yeah, Hillary's definitely not getting the reinforced concrete supplier vote.
    Faster than a tent.......
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,603
    team47b wrote:
    History in the making, as Rich Hall said we are about to elect the First Lady president or the first last president :D

    With so many shootings by police in the US recently and the following unrest, it's not far off civil war.
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