Donald Trump
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Pinno wrote:PBlakeney wrote:
There is a lot in there, but I'd go with 2000.TailWindHome wrote:
Really?!
Let's wind the clock back to the second world war. You know, the one they reluctantly joined in despite knowledge of the Holocaust (and we had to re-pay them right up until 1999).
Then came the Korean war and General McCarthy's antics. Then the Vietnam war, the use of Napalm, Agent Orange:
2m Vietnamese deaths, 56,000 US deaths.
We can chuck in the Contra affair, interference with African states, the long standing mis-treatment of Cuba, the constant meddling in Central and South American governments, the assassination of Che Guevara and the constant and eternal paranoia.
I know there has been a rise in shootings but we can wind the clock back to 1971 that nutter who got people to drink cyanide in a mass suicide event, the same year that wossisname - Archer Blood, an American diplomat and the murders of Hindu and Bengali's.
Why did the world have to live through the cloud of the Cold War? It wasn't purely the threat of Russian aggression.
Iraq - what a complete and utter f*ck up... Iraqi deaths due to US invasion: 1.3m. (http://markhumphrys.com/iraq.dead.html).
Union Carbide - another case of American NIMBY, not a penny paid in compensation.
Domestically, there has always been huge inequality. Not everybody has access to healthcare. The gap between the richest and the poorest is massive.
I know these are random and sometimes unrelated but these are just off the top of my head.
Some gun stats:
The statistics
Mass shootings: There were 372 mass shootings in the US in 2015, killing 475 people and wounding 1,870, according to the Mass Shooting Tracker, which catalogues such incidents. A mass shooting is defined as a single shooting incident which kills or injures four or more people, including the assailant.
Source: Mass Shooting Tracker
School shootings: There were 64 school shootings in 2015, according to a dedicated campaign group set up in the wake of the Sandy Hook elementary school massacre in Connecticut in 2012. Those figures include occasions when a gun was fired but no-one was hurt.
Source: Everytown for Gun SafetyResearch
All shootings: Some 13,286 people were killed in the US by firearms in 2015, according to the Gun Violence Archive, and 26,819 people were injured [those figures exclude suicide]. Those figures are likely to rise by several hundred, once incidents in the final week of the year are counted.
Source: Gun Violence Archive
How the US compares: The number of gun murders per capita in the US in 2012 - the most recent year for comparable statistics - was nearly 30 times that in the UK, at 2.9 per 100,000 compared with just 0.1.
Of all the murders in the US in 2012, 60% were by firearm compared with 31% in Canada, 18.2% in Australia, and just 10% in the UK.
Source: UNODC.
When you read that ^, they are a bunch of f*cking nutters. Mainly given there god damn right to carry guns and the over whelming lack of motivation to curb it.
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2. The cumulative number
Comparisons can help us to understand scale. Since 1968, when these figures were first collected, there have been 1,516,863 gun-related deaths on US territory. Since the founding of the United States, there have been 1,396,733 war deaths. " Source: Small Arms Survey.
The American Government has always been for the elite and the corporations which makes the appointment of Trump totally ironic. Nothing has changed. I find it amusing when the commentators give the reason for his election victory as a vote against the status quo.
Has America ever really been 'great'?
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Now, even more remarkable, is the number of Combat deaths since 1773: 666,441 and 673,929 'other', making a total of Military and Warfare related deaths: 1,340,370.
So the total of 1,516,863 gun related deaths since 1968 far exceeds deaths through warfare since 1773.
Is the enemy within the lack of social fabric and cohesion? Or the lack of a supportive welfare state? Is it the fact that it is still a relatively immature nation?
The latter can explain the flexing of muscles by the Austro-Hungarian state until ultimately, the first world war but Germany has been a stable, prosperous and democratic country since only the end of the second world war; very recent history. So that theory is seriously flawed.
Is it the cocktail of a long line of immigrants since the Mayflower who have all searched for a new beginning and the right to absolute freedom who have the mentality, including carrying a gun and theoretically being able to kill someone legally, that is steadfast and irrevocable?seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
Trump being trolled in Hawaii with 'Welcome to Kenya' signs“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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TailWindHome wrote:Trump being trolled in Hawaii with 'Welcome to Kenya' signs
How did he get on with that lovely President from the Philippines? seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
Robert88 wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:FishFish wrote:What a bunch of moronic comments.
So persuasive.
Look at FF's posts and adjust your expectations!
Actually refers to a woman as a “skirt” in a post.
I sees whatchamean.0 -
I see NBC are saying Mueller now has enough evidence to bring charges against Flynn and son;
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mu ... d_nn_tw_ma
This is really going to pee Trump off as it's set to grow throughout the week and overshadow his grandstanding on his Asian trip.
And in other news, Trump is now saying he let Manafort go when he realised potential conflicts with certain countries.
No Donny, forget statement after the fact, you hired him because of his connections and experience with certain countries, namely Russia.0 -
And now NBC are pushing the failure of Wilbur Ross to fully disclose his business interests, his continuing ties to Russian business and his lying to the Securities and Exchange Commission;
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politi ... es-n817711
Clear to see why Trump sought to undermine previous sanctions against Russia and hasn't signed the new order imposing greater sanctions as him and his cronies, who have never truly divested themselves of their business interests whilst in public office, see great rewards from remaining close to the Russians.0 -
PhilipPirrip wrote:I see NBC are saying Mueller now has enough evidence to bring charges against Flynn and son;
Flynn Snr rumoured to be cooperating with Mueller in return for them going a bit easier on Flynn Jnr...0 -
seanoconn - gruagach craic!0
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Pinno wrote:
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So the trends should be crossing right about now...darkhairedlord wrote:Pinno wrote:The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
At what rate must gun related deaths and car related deaths reach before de-population*?
Sorry, forgot to add drug deaths rising to 64,000 in 2016. Fentanyl sure give's ya'll a kick.
*Surely they must be thinking "Thank fook we haven't got a wall".
That America - it's a great place.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
I wonder if he'll talk about weak sentencing and long judicial processes after this one?0
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Whilst the Ruskies were busy fixing the presidential election, it appears the Democrats were busy rigging their nomination.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... 016-215774
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... 477a303005
The irony is that they rigged it for the one person who was capable of losing to Trump.0 -
And with this infighting the Dems risk handing the 2020 election to Trump or whoever might be the Reps candidate.
The time for analysis of their loss should have been the day after the election defeat not nearly a year later and only after they've written books giving their own opinion. By contrast Trump was already on the 2020 campaign within a week of his win.0 -
Pinno wrote:At what rate must gun related deaths and car related deaths reach before de-population*?
Sorry, forgot to add drug deaths rising to 64,000 in 2016. Fentanyl sure give's ya'll a kick.
*Surely they must be thinking "Thank fook we haven't got a wall".
That America - it's a great place.
In fairness, you’d kinda hope having guns was more dangerous than cars.
I mean in the U.K. mass law breaking in cars is met with daily mail headlines accusing the govt of using drivers as “cash cows” rather than the more obvious line that drivers keep breaking the law and keep getting fined.
We are quite happy to tolerate driving deaths as part of our freedom to travel in our own transport. I guess the Americans find the freedom to shoot stuff as important.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Pinno wrote:At what rate must gun related deaths and car related deaths reach before de-population*?
Sorry, forgot to add drug deaths rising to 64,000 in 2016. Fentanyl sure give's ya'll a kick.
*Surely they must be thinking "Thank fook we haven't got a wall".
That America - it's a great place.
In fairness, you’d kinda hope having guns was more dangerous than cars.
I mean in the U.K. mass law breaking in cars is met with daily mail headlines accusing the govt of using drivers as “cash cows” rather than the more obvious line that drivers keep breaking the law and keep getting fined.
We are quite happy to tolerate driving deaths as part of our freedom to travel in our own transport. I guess the Americans find the freedom to shoot stuff as important.
They do seem to get rather agitated when it happens tho'.0 -
Especially when the "stuff" turns out to be friends and family.Robert88 wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Pinno wrote:At what rate must gun related deaths and car related deaths reach before de-population*?
Sorry, forgot to add drug deaths rising to 64,000 in 2016. Fentanyl sure give's ya'll a kick.
*Surely they must be thinking "Thank fook we haven't got a wall".
That America - it's a great place.
In fairness, you’d kinda hope having guns was more dangerous than cars.
I mean in the U.K. mass law breaking in cars is met with daily mail headlines accusing the govt of using drivers as “cash cows” rather than the more obvious line that drivers keep breaking the law and keep getting fined.
We are quite happy to tolerate driving deaths as part of our freedom to travel in our own transport. I guess the Americans find the freedom to shoot stuff as important.
They do seem to get rather agitated when it happens tho'.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Interesting interview with a US senator on R4 this morning. He said America is past the point of gun control. Removal of the huge number of legal guns out there is not possible but it's not practical to have everyone strap a piece on taking law into their own hands. That's what we have paid, trained police for.
How long before that guy gets Trump's supporters threatening to fund "their man" to compete for his seat? If he's a GOP man in a GOP seat that is.0 -
PBlakeney wrote:
Especially when the "stuff" turns out to be friends and family.Robert88 wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Pinno wrote:At what rate must gun related deaths and car related deaths reach before de-population*?
Sorry, forgot to add drug deaths rising to 64,000 in 2016. Fentanyl sure give's ya'll a kick.
*Surely they must be thinking "Thank fook we haven't got a wall".
That America - it's a great place.
In fairness, you’d kinda hope having guns was more dangerous than cars.
I mean in the U.K. mass law breaking in cars is met with daily mail headlines accusing the govt of using drivers as “cash cows” rather than the more obvious line that drivers keep breaking the law and keep getting fined.
We are quite happy to tolerate driving deaths as part of our freedom to travel in our own transport. I guess the Americans find the freedom to shoot stuff as important.
They do seem to get rather agitated when it happens tho'.
To me, that chart above just shows how deadly cars are (almost as deadly as guns!).0 -
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Rick Chasey wrote:PBlakeney wrote:
Especially when the "stuff" turns out to be friends and family.Robert88 wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Pinno wrote:At what rate must gun related deaths and car related deaths reach before de-population*?
Sorry, forgot to add drug deaths rising to 64,000 in 2016. Fentanyl sure give's ya'll a kick.
*Surely they must be thinking "Thank fook we haven't got a wall".
That America - it's a great place.
In fairness, you’d kinda hope having guns was more dangerous than cars.
I mean in the U.K. mass law breaking in cars is met with daily mail headlines accusing the govt of using drivers as “cash cows” rather than the more obvious line that drivers keep breaking the law and keep getting fined.
We are quite happy to tolerate driving deaths as part of our freedom to travel in our own transport. I guess the Americans find the freedom to shoot stuff as important.
They do seem to get rather agitated when it happens tho'.
To me, that chart above just shows how deadly cars are (almost as deadly as guns!).
Not really. It just shows that cars are used much, much, much more widely and along with that wider spread use comes higher risk. It's possibly one of the most pointless comparison charts ever published.Trail fun - Transition Bandit
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Not pointless. It is a graph that up to a certain year would show to the statistically ignorant (NRA supporters) that guns kill less ppl than cars so are perfectly safe. Ban cars not guns, right?
Truth is cars and other motorized vehicles are used much much more than guns so they will have more incidents of death the very fact those two lines are close indicates to me that guns are a big problem needing addressing.
Graphs can inform but most definitely mislead. This could help or hinder pro or anti gun lobby depending on how you analyze and show data.0 -
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... aead3eab55
A couple of issues:
1. Why is it easy for a mentally deranged person to obtain a firearm in the US?
2. It is easy to say that the recent terrorist attack in New York could be attributed to "a mentally deranged person" yet Trump asserts that this a Muslim problem.
3. Many Americans like Trump assert that places like Birmingham in the UK are a no go area because of the large Muslim population yet the level and rate of gun deaths in any US city the size of Birmingham far outstrips any deaths due to Muslim terrorist activities in Birmingham.0 -
1. Ignorance
2. Racism and ignorance
3. Ignorance and racism0 -
letap73 wrote:1. Why is it easy for a mentally deranged person to obtain a firearm in the US?
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/ ... ans-235057
Congress was lobbied by the NRA and disabled rights groups to stop the latest regulation.0 -
KingstonGraham wrote:letap73 wrote:1. Why is it easy for a mentally deranged person to obtain a firearm in the US?
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/ ... ans-235057
Congress was lobbied by the NRA and disabled rights groups to stop the latest regulation.
Haha, not really a laughing matter I know, but just to think that selling guns to mentally impaired was a regulation that only passed in 2012....faaaark me!
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Didn't the guy blaming this on mental health issues sign an executive order repealing laws prohibiting those with mental health issues buying guns?My blog: http://www.roubaixcycling.cc (kit reviews and other musings)
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bendertherobot wrote:Didn't the guy blaming this on mental health issues sign an executive order repealing laws prohibiting those with mental health issues buying guns?
A week after slamming the laws that allowed someone into the country with mental health issues to carry out a terrorist attack.0
