Disc brakes in the Pro ranks.
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And thank you, curses to autocorrect for peleton (I know that it should be peloton)0
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kleinstroker said:Mad_Malx wrote:Will today be the first yellow jersey with discs?
Looks like. Gaviria was riding a disc bike yesterday wasn't he & Sagan will be on discs for every stage except the cobbles
Interesting, why not on the cobbles?left the forum March 20230 -
The Random wheel changes required?... No idea really .0
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Those thin cobbled roads can mean you're waiting ages for your team car. Using rim brakes also means that you can use wheels from the neutral service cars.Matti66 said:The Random wheel changes required?... No idea really .
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@joe-totale-2 . yes thats what i was thinking , makes sense.0
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And the answer is. They(Beining the bike and component manufacturers) are trying to sell everyone new frames and components. And of course cyclists will do what the makers want them to. After all, you just saw the latest and greatest ridded by the pro's. Who on earth would want rim brakes after seeing that? The "problem" was " they" were looking to sell more stuff. Bingo. Problem solved. Now you need new everything. And of course all this new stuff will move you from 14th place to 13th in a cat 5 crit. No training needed.TheBigBean said:I suppose the question is what problem are they trying to solve
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Except everyone will have them so all it will do is empty your wallet. Whilst the rim brake rider saves his cash and has the money for 5 training camps and gets the biggest improvementdennisn said:
And the answer is. They(Beining the bike and component manufacturers) are trying to sell everyone new frames and components. And of course cyclists will do what the makers want them to. After all, you just saw the latest and greatest ridded by the pro's. Who on earth would want rim brakes after seeing that? The "problem" was " they" were looking to sell more stuff. Bingo. Problem solved. Now you need new everything. And of course all this new stuff will move you from 14th place to 13th in a cat 5 crit. No training needed.TheBigBean said:I suppose the question is what problem are they trying to solve
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I like they save your rims but outside that ? There was talk they were faster on descents as they allowed later braking and what not . Massive marketing plot and the non standardisation is going to creep in like press fit BBS another pile of nonsense thats getting abandoned. Disc are here to stay I suspect . Not in a rush to change over my wheels groupset and frame !!! . And I am super annoyed campag have stopped making neutrons or even the rims !!! Oh well"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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They do make the handlebar/stem/headtube area look very neat and tidy, like a track bike.mididoctors said:I like they save your rims but outside that ? There was talk they were faster on descents as they allowed later braking and what not . Massive marketing plot and the non standardisation is going to creep in like press fit BBS another pile of nonsense thats getting abandoned. Disc are here to stay I suspect . Not in a rush to change over my wheels groupset and frame !!! . And I am super annoyed campag have stopped making neutrons or even the rims !!! Oh well
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The stage 1 2020 letour was not a great advert for the advantages of disc brakes. A situation they were supposed to excel in ..where the reality is handling such conditions is more about tires and skill than discs ..which actually caught riders out . JA's front disc jamming up !!! Not great. A lot people are going to point out the conditions were not something any brake system could remedy .. which kinda is "well what's the point then" ? They are better as brakes but not a lot on the road . Off road they are a massive advantage .. the weight ! There was a gcn debunks rolling wheel weight video which smacked of trying to sell everyone it didn't matter if your wheels are heavier"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm1
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It's not like the tech hasn't had time to mature ."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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I ride discs. They aren't perfect, but I wouldn't go back to rim brakes. In much the same way that I wouldn't go back to mechanical gears.0
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dish_dash said:
I ride discs. They aren't perfect, but I wouldn't go back to rim brakes. In much the same way that I wouldn't go back to mechanical gears.
Nice bit of trigger baiting 🤔🤭 electric gears should be banned pure and simple they are electronic physical assistance . More over have yet to go on a sizable group ride without someone having a electronic gear malfunction . That's not hyperbole ."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Each to their own eh?mididoctors said:dish_dash said:I ride discs. They aren't perfect, but I wouldn't go back to rim brakes. In much the same way that I wouldn't go back to mechanical gears.
Nice bit of trigger baiting 🤔🤭 electric gears should be banned pure and simple they are electronic physical assistance . More over have yet to go on a sizable group ride without someone having a electronic gear malfunction . That's not hyperbole .
I've ridden ~8,000km this year, all on discs. Only issue has been a set of worn pads and a bit of noise that's needed adjusting.
Rode 6,000km of this year's kms on electronic gears, only issue has been a low battery warning, which was easily sorted by switching the front and back derailleur batteries and got home with no impact upon shifting.
All of the above kms on tubeless tyres. Had to stop and put in a tube once, and another ride got shortened because the tyre wasn't fully re-inflating. Otherwise non-stop riding.
My aim is to ride long and hard with as little stopping as possible. All three of the recent technological innovations have helped facilitate that and given me a better riding experience!1 -
My main bike's a Condor Fratello which I bought the year before they brought out a disc version. I'd have it with discs if I could (especially on a winter bike where rims are essentially disposable. I hate chucking away rims).0
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Run discs on my commuter / gravel bike. Much harder to lock up by accident and much more reliable in the wet. On rims I've had my life - and the odd HGV - flash in front of my eyes. I definitely wouldn't swap back, though would I shell out (say) £200 more to get discs if I were buying a new road bike for fair weather riding? Maybe not.
JA's accident is unlikely to be the direct result of discs unless you believe the mutually contradictory positions that disc brakes are simultaneously no better at providing braking force and that they also provide such an excess of braking force that locking up is inevitable. "Rim brakes can't provide maximum force in the wet" is not the sales pitch some people think it is.
In the peloton I'd assume the only really convincing argument is that it limits options for taking a wheel from neutral service, which of course is also why everyone runs the same cassettes...
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I feel the winter bike rims ."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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I would mock but you are so much faster and ride so much more/further, I'll wind my neck in...dish_dash said:
Each to their own eh?mididoctors said:dish_dash said:I ride discs. They aren't perfect, but I wouldn't go back to rim brakes. In much the same way that I wouldn't go back to mechanical gears.
Nice bit of trigger baiting 🤔🤭 electric gears should be banned pure and simple they are electronic physical assistance . More over have yet to go on a sizable group ride without someone having a electronic gear malfunction . That's not hyperbole .
I've ridden ~8,000km this year, all on discs. Only issue has been a set of worn pads and a bit of noise that's needed adjusting.
Rode 6,000km of this year's kms on electronic gears, only issue has been a low battery warning, which was easily sorted by switching the front and back derailleur batteries and got home with no impact upon shifting.
All of the above kms on tubeless tyres. Had to stop and put in a tube once, and another ride got shortened because the tyre wasn't fully re-inflating. Otherwise non-stop riding.
My aim is to ride long and hard with as little stopping as possible. All three of the recent technological innovations have helped facilitate that and given me a better riding experience!
Still recon that in a race the marginal gain, if there even is one, for disc brakes are outweighed, pun intended, by the extra faff in changing wheels.0 -
I'm not sure that has ever stopped you before!rick_chasey said:
I would mock but you are so much faster and ride so much more/further, I'll wind my neck in...dish_dash said:
Each to their own eh?mididoctors said:dish_dash said:I ride discs. They aren't perfect, but I wouldn't go back to rim brakes. In much the same way that I wouldn't go back to mechanical gears.
Nice bit of trigger baiting 🤔🤭 electric gears should be banned pure and simple they are electronic physical assistance . More over have yet to go on a sizable group ride without someone having a electronic gear malfunction . That's not hyperbole .
I've ridden ~8,000km this year, all on discs. Only issue has been a set of worn pads and a bit of noise that's needed adjusting.
Rode 6,000km of this year's kms on electronic gears, only issue has been a low battery warning, which was easily sorted by switching the front and back derailleur batteries and got home with no impact upon shifting.
All of the above kms on tubeless tyres. Had to stop and put in a tube once, and another ride got shortened because the tyre wasn't fully re-inflating. Otherwise non-stop riding.
My aim is to ride long and hard with as little stopping as possible. All three of the recent technological innovations have helped facilitate that and given me a better riding experience!
Still recon that in a race the marginal gain, if there even is one, for disc brakes are outweighed, pun intended, by the extra faff in changing wheels.
Only issue with the disc brakes was noise and a requirement to change the pads? How long did those fixes take? Rim brake adjustments can be done sufficiently quickly that I don't remember doing them. It's the one thing on a bike that actually works and I don't really mind. In contrast to, say, bottom brackets.
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Ah, it's like the old days - Dennis ranting against the modern world and marketing charlatans.dennisn said:
And the answer is. They(Beining the bike and component manufacturers) are trying to sell everyone new frames and components. And of course cyclists will do what the makers want them to. After all, you just saw the latest and greatest ridded by the pro's. Who on earth would want rim brakes after seeing that? The "problem" was " they" were looking to sell more stuff. Bingo. Problem solved. Now you need new everything. And of course all this new stuff will move you from 14th place to 13th in a cat 5 crit. No training needed.TheBigBean said:I suppose the question is what problem are they trying to solve
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Replacing the pads is simple, no more challenging/time consuming than rim blocks. The noise has been more complicated and needed various tweeks, and is still noisy in the wet. Though my previous rim brakes had a tendency to squeel as well...TheBigBean said:
I'm not sure that has ever stopped you before!rick_chasey said:
I would mock but you are so much faster and ride so much more/further, I'll wind my neck in...dish_dash said:
Each to their own eh?mididoctors said:dish_dash said:I ride discs. They aren't perfect, but I wouldn't go back to rim brakes. In much the same way that I wouldn't go back to mechanical gears.
Nice bit of trigger baiting 🤔🤭 electric gears should be banned pure and simple they are electronic physical assistance . More over have yet to go on a sizable group ride without someone having a electronic gear malfunction . That's not hyperbole .
I've ridden ~8,000km this year, all on discs. Only issue has been a set of worn pads and a bit of noise that's needed adjusting.
Rode 6,000km of this year's kms on electronic gears, only issue has been a low battery warning, which was easily sorted by switching the front and back derailleur batteries and got home with no impact upon shifting.
All of the above kms on tubeless tyres. Had to stop and put in a tube once, and another ride got shortened because the tyre wasn't fully re-inflating. Otherwise non-stop riding.
My aim is to ride long and hard with as little stopping as possible. All three of the recent technological innovations have helped facilitate that and given me a better riding experience!
Still recon that in a race the marginal gain, if there even is one, for disc brakes are outweighed, pun intended, by the extra faff in changing wheels.
Only issue with the disc brakes was noise and a requirement to change the pads? How long did those fixes take? Rim brake adjustments can be done sufficiently quickly that I don't remember doing them. It's the one thing on a bike that actually works and I don't really mind. In contrast to, say, bottom brackets.
Guess the question is whether with tubeless you might need to stop less frequently to have a wheel replaced. Thus negating any delay in swapping a disc brake. Though has this really been an issue yet for any of the riders in a ride (e.g. DQS)?
Was curious to note in a life in the peloton interview that EF are running tubeless tires with a foam filling (but no sealant!) so that they can still be ridden even after a flat.0 -
The number of tubeless tyre failures and sealent messes is pretty legion .. proprietary rims FFS ."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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Specialised used to make airstop Inner tubes double walled inner tube with sealent for clinchers . Heavy but worked really well for commuter dispatch work."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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In fairness I have witnessed Dish when he gets a puncture on tubeless and it worked a treat - I was quite surprsied.mididoctors said:The number of tubeless tyre failures and sealent messes is pretty legion .. proprietary rims FFS .
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Have to say that Conti 5000 TL have impressed me, much better puncture resistance than some other tubeless tires I've ridden. And good road feel too.mididoctors said:The number of tubeless tyre failures and sealent messes is pretty legion .. proprietary rims FFS .
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I have no experience of tubeless.dish_dash said:
Replacing the pads is simple, no more challenging/time consuming than rim blocks. The noise has been more complicated and needed various tweeks, and is still noisy in the wet. Though my previous rim brakes had a tendency to squeel as well...TheBigBean said:
I'm not sure that has ever stopped you before!rick_chasey said:
I would mock but you are so much faster and ride so much more/further, I'll wind my neck in...dish_dash said:
Each to their own eh?mididoctors said:dish_dash said:I ride discs. They aren't perfect, but I wouldn't go back to rim brakes. In much the same way that I wouldn't go back to mechanical gears.
Nice bit of trigger baiting 🤔🤭 electric gears should be banned pure and simple they are electronic physical assistance . More over have yet to go on a sizable group ride without someone having a electronic gear malfunction . That's not hyperbole .
I've ridden ~8,000km this year, all on discs. Only issue has been a set of worn pads and a bit of noise that's needed adjusting.
Rode 6,000km of this year's kms on electronic gears, only issue has been a low battery warning, which was easily sorted by switching the front and back derailleur batteries and got home with no impact upon shifting.
All of the above kms on tubeless tyres. Had to stop and put in a tube once, and another ride got shortened because the tyre wasn't fully re-inflating. Otherwise non-stop riding.
My aim is to ride long and hard with as little stopping as possible. All three of the recent technological innovations have helped facilitate that and given me a better riding experience!
Still recon that in a race the marginal gain, if there even is one, for disc brakes are outweighed, pun intended, by the extra faff in changing wheels.
Only issue with the disc brakes was noise and a requirement to change the pads? How long did those fixes take? Rim brake adjustments can be done sufficiently quickly that I don't remember doing them. It's the one thing on a bike that actually works and I don't really mind. In contrast to, say, bottom brackets.
Guess the question is whether with tubeless you might need to stop less frequently to have a wheel replaced. Thus negating any delay in swapping a disc brake. Though has this really been an issue yet for any of the riders in a ride (e.g. DQS)?
Was curious to note in a life in the peloton interview that EF are running tubeless tires with a foam filling (but no sealant!) so that they can still be ridden even after a flat.
In general, I rate bike kit in the following order of importance.
(i) Does it have greater performance enhancement than could be obtained by being less fat?
(ii) Does it make my life easier? E.g. wheels that stay true longer, bottom brackets that are easier to clean etc.
(iii) All other performance enhancement
I rode a bike with a 9 speed cassette which worked flawlessly for four years (let's say 15k commuter kms). I had complete reliable access to all 18 gears (yes, I know I shouldn't use some of them). Stepping up to 11 speed, I discovered that I need to trim the front dérailleur. A pain simply for the bonus of four gears.0 -
No they do work . Until they don't .rick_chasey said:
In fairness I have witnessed Dish when he gets a puncture on tubeless and it worked a treat - I was quite surprsied.mididoctors said:The number of tubeless tyre failures and sealent messes is pretty legion .. proprietary rims FFS .
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
I agree with big bean on 11 speed it de - tunes easily as is finicky . But its an arms race for bike industry. I had & 10 speed tubeless winter wheelset i must have got lucky initially as i rode hutchinson fusion down to carcass on them . But all the other tyres where awful some blowing after 50 miles , so I'm on the fence now ! I would get Disc bike for four season riding tbh, I like the fairlight bikes .0
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Continental, rear = right and front = left is the only sensible brake setup.Lanterne_Rogue said:Run discs on my commuter / gravel bike. Much harder to lock up by accident and much more reliable in the wet. On rims I've had my life - and the odd HGV - flash in front of my eyes. I definitely wouldn't swap back, though would I shell out (say) £200 more to get discs if I were buying a new road bike for fair weather riding? Maybe not.
JA's accident is unlikely to be the direct result of discs unless you believe the mutually contradictory positions that disc brakes are simultaneously no better at providing braking force and that they also provide such an excess of braking force that locking up is inevitable. "Rim brakes can't provide maximum force in the wet" is not the sales pitch some people think it is.
In the peloton I'd assume the only really convincing argument is that it limits options for taking a wheel from neutral service, which of course is also why everyone runs the same cassettes...
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