Are sky clean or not?
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Because those riders will be registered and licenced via British Cycling and subject to testing by UKAD. The exceptions are Deignan and Roche obviously[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19771401#p19771401]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:Interesting:@PeterFifield wrote:Nice chat last week with pro triathlete about widespread UKAD belief that Sky stink to high heaven, but can't be caught at present
https://twitter.com/PeterFifield/status/683044089156231169
I'm not sure what UKAD would have to do with it given Sky must only have about 20% British riders of whom only one or two will still be resident in the UK and under their jurisdiction. All of whom are subject to the bio passport.
Incidentally I had a conversation down the pub last week with a pro triathlete who said the exact opposite. And I've as much evidence it ever happened as the tweet above.And the people bowed and prayed, to the neon god they made.0 -
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Interesting:@PeterFifield wrote:Nice chat last week with pro triathlete about widespread UKAD belief that Sky stink to high heaven, but can't be caught at present
https://twitter.com/PeterFifield/status/683044089156231169
Maybe Rapha need to provide them with more products from their skincare range?0 -
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:@PeterFifield wrote:Nice chat last week with pro triathlete about widespread UKAD belief that Sky stink to high heaven, but can't be caught at present
https://twitter.com/PeterFifield/status/683044089156231169
They've been rubbish for years. But thanks for being Clinic Ambassador. Are you a fan of Hog fiction?...a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
I thought Sky made a big deal of washing their hands a lot? Would seem odd to do that and neglect the rest of the body to the extent that they stink.Team My Man 2018: David gaudu, Pierre Latour, Romain Bardet, Thibaut pinot, Alexandre Geniez, Florian Senechal, Warren Barguil, Benoit Cosnefroy0
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19771401#p19771401]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:Interesting:@PeterFifield wrote:Nice chat last week with pro triathlete about widespread UKAD belief that Sky stink to high heaven, but can't be caught at present
https://twitter.com/PeterFifield/status/683044089156231169
Incidentally I had a conversation down the pub last week with a pro triathlete who said the exact opposite. And I've as much evidence it ever happened as the tweet above.
While *I* had a conversation down the supermarket the other day with a pro try-geek who insists that the government are using chemtrails to control our thoughts.
And nobody can prove otherwise, so this definitely happened.Team My Man 2018: David gaudu, Pierre Latour, Romain Bardet, Thibaut pinot, Alexandre Geniez, Florian Senechal, Warren Barguil, Benoit Cosnefroy0 -
Interesting:@PeterFifield wrote:Nice chat last week with pro triathlete about widespread UKAD belief that Sky stink to high heaven, but can't be caught at present
https://twitter.com/PeterFifield/status/683044089156231169
Maybe Rapha need to provide them with more products from their skincare range?
Perhaps those naughty lads have been giving away their sponsor-provided products to friends and family for pressies? http://www.rapha.cc/gb/en/shop/soap/product/SOP01XXXXXXXX?googlemerchfeed=true&gclid=CJ_xtpvAjcoCFQw8GwodEtoPOw&gclsrc=aw.ds0 -
So basically, someone who bangs on about this on a daily basis has finally found someone else who thinks the same. How many people has a chat with who disagree with him?Interesting:@PeterFifield wrote:Nice chat last week with pro triathlete about widespread UKAD belief that Sky stink to high heaven, but can't be caught at present
https://twitter.com/PeterFifield/status/683044089156231169Twitter: @RichN950 -
Agreed. Just had a first ever look at the Clinic. WTF. So much bile and hatred in one place. I can understand cyclists being miffed with proven dope cheats, but to claim that such and such a rider is a cheat merely cos you dont like him or cos he rides for a certain team????? Nutters. Get a life.0
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I still maintain that sky (and probably the other big budget teams) are one step ahead of WADA and taking things that are not yet banned/frowned upon, they did it with tramadol and have now probably moved on the the next thing.0
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I still maintain that sky (and probably the other big budget teams) are one step ahead of WADA and taking things that are not yet banned/frowned upon, they did it with tramadol and have now probably moved on the the next thing.
You still maintain that big budget teams are operating entirely within the laws of the sport? Excellent."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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It's worth remembering that WADA explicitly forbids a whole range of stuff that doesn't even exist - e.g. designer steroids tweaked so as not to be the exact named steroid on the list. I don't think there's much leeway to experiment with stuff and claim it wasn't banned yet. There's a lot of fuss about Tramadol, but it's only a pain-killer - not an oxygen vector booster.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19771577#p19771577]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:I still maintain that sky (and probably the other big budget teams) are one step ahead of WADA and taking things that are not yet banned/frowned upon, they did it with tramadol and have now probably moved on the the next thing.
You still maintain that big budget teams are operating entirely within the laws of the sport? Excellent.
This ^.
It's a very grey area, but to me it includes taking stuff that isn't on the banned list yet, altitude training etc....where do you stop? It's all legal until it's not.
Whether it's ethical is another matter, but if one team is doing it then the others will be too.
What do Dibble and Grubb say about it?0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19771577#p19771577]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:I still maintain that sky (and probably the other big budget teams) are one step ahead of WADA and taking things that are not yet banned/frowned upon, they did it with tramadol and have now probably moved on the the next thing.
You still maintain that big budget teams are operating entirely within the laws of the sport? Excellent.
it comes down to morals, if EPO was legal it would still be morally wrong to take it, some may refuse but most would take it. I think Sky are preaching the whole clean message but IMO it is a bit hypocritical if they only draw the line when it become illegal rather than immoral. I do appreciate that this opens up a can of worms regarding caffeine, protein etc a line needs to be drawn somewhere but its how you go about it that counts0 -
Peter Fifield was to be frustrated. He wrote it the day before.
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Even if this anecdote it's true, lets not overlook the fact that triathletes are full of shit.
I used to think that sky probably used some not yet illegal stuff. I now don't, illegal or not when it came out sky corp would be out and the team would be gone."Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19771577#p19771577]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:I still maintain that sky (and probably the other big budget teams) are one step ahead of WADA and taking things that are not yet banned/frowned upon, they did it with tramadol and have now probably moved on the the next thing.
You still maintain that big budget teams are operating entirely within the laws of the sport? Excellent.
This ^.
It's a very grey area, but to me it includes taking stuff that isn't on the banned list yet, altitude training etc....where do you stop? It's all legal until it's not.
Whether it's ethical is another matter, but if one team is doing it then the others will be too.
What do Dibble and Grubb say about it?
Altitude training???? Anyone can take a holiday in the mountains and go altitude training, so why should that be cheating? Bye and large its not dangerous or damaging to the body in the long run. Would you also ban riders born at altitude as they have an inbuilt unfair advantage? Get real.
Quite a few riders have tested positive for banned substances in the last year, why are you not banging on about them and there teams cheating rather than persuing the juvenile witch hunt against Sky.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19771577#p19771577]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:I still maintain that sky (and probably the other big budget teams) are one step ahead of WADA and taking things that are not yet banned/frowned upon, they did it with tramadol and have now probably moved on the the next thing.
You still maintain that big budget teams are operating entirely within the laws of the sport? Excellent.
This ^.
It's a very grey area, but to me it includes taking stuff that isn't on the banned list yet, altitude training etc....where do you stop? It's all legal until it's not.
Whether it's ethical is another matter, but if one team is doing it then the others will be too.
What do Dibble and Grubb say about it?
Altitude training???? Anyone can take a holiday in the mountains and go altitude training, so why should that be cheating? Bye and large its not dangerous or damaging to the body in the long run. Would you also ban riders born at altitude as they have an inbuilt unfair advantage? Get real.
Quite a few riders have tested positive for banned substances in the last year, why are you not banging on about them and there teams cheating rather than persuing the juvenile witch hunt against Sky.
Joel's not having a pop, chap. Have a look at his posts over the last few weeks.0 -
it comes down to morals, if EPO was legal it would still be morally wrong to take it, some may refuse but most would take it.
Why would it be morally wrong to take a legal substance? Risky yes, for an amateur certainly stupid but I can't see why it would be morally wrong.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
it comes down to morals, if EPO was legal it would still be morally wrong to take it, some may refuse but most would take it.
Why would it be morally wrong to take a legal substance? Risky yes, for an amateur certainly stupid but I can't see why it would be morally wrong.
altering your bodies natural capabilities0 -
it comes down to morals, if EPO was legal it would still be morally wrong to take it, some may refuse but most would take it.
Why would it be morally wrong to take a legal substance? Risky yes, for an amateur certainly stupid but I can't see why it would be morally wrong.
altering your bodies natural capabilities
Having a coffee gives me an extra burst of energy before I go for a run. An energy gel gives me a boost halfway through a bike ride. A pro having a post-stage/race massage accelerates their recovery, and helps them be better ready for the next day's racing.
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Can't agree with this. It's a game at the end of the day and the rules are pretty arbitrary. It's not up to the players (riders) to decide on the rules. Even as an amateur some people have more time to train but that's life.it all comes down to morals0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19771577#p19771577]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:I still maintain that sky (and probably the other big budget teams) are one step ahead of WADA and taking things that are not yet banned/frowned upon, they did it with tramadol and have now probably moved on the the next thing.
You still maintain that big budget teams are operating entirely within the laws of the sport? Excellent.
This ^.
It's a very grey area, but to me it includes taking stuff that isn't on the banned list yet, altitude training etc....where do you stop? It's all legal until it's not.
Whether it's ethical is another matter, but if one team is doing it then the others will be too.
What do Dibble and Grubb say about it?
Not just grey but very grey?
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19771737#p19771737]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19771577#p19771577]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:I still maintain that sky (and probably the other big budget teams) are one step ahead of WADA and taking things that are not yet banned/frowned upon, they did it with tramadol and have now probably moved on the the next thing.
You still maintain that big budget teams are operating entirely within the laws of the sport? Excellent.
This ^.
It's a very grey area, but to me it includes taking stuff that isn't on the banned list yet, altitude training etc....where do you stop? It's all legal until it's not.
Whether it's ethical is another matter, but if one team is doing it then the others will be too.
What do Dibble and Grubb say about it?
Altitude training???? Anyone can take a holiday in the mountains and go altitude training, so why should that be cheating? Bye and large its not dangerous or damaging to the body in the long run. Would you also ban riders born at altitude as they have an inbuilt unfair advantage? Get real.
Quite a few riders have tested positive for banned substances in the last year, why are you not banging on about them and there teams cheating rather than persuing the juvenile witch hunt against Sky.
Joel's not having a pop, chap. Have a look at his posts over the last few weeks.
Thanks RR. As I said it is a grey area, what is 'moral' performance enhancement vs what isn't? Clearly we can all say EPO is bad, but adding your own blood, taking a caffeine pill, multivitamins, pain relievers...where exactly is this line drawn?0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19771737#p19771737]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19771577#p19771577]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:I still maintain that sky (and probably the other big budget teams) are one step ahead of WADA and taking things that are not yet banned/frowned upon, they did it with tramadol and have now probably moved on the the next thing.
You still maintain that big budget teams are operating entirely within the laws of the sport? Excellent.
This ^.
It's a very grey area, but to me it includes taking stuff that isn't on the banned list yet, altitude training etc....where do you stop? It's all legal until it's not.
Whether it's ethical is another matter, but if one team is doing it then the others will be too.
What do Dibble and Grubb say about it?
Altitude training???? Anyone can take a holiday in the mountains and go altitude training, so why should that be cheating? Bye and large its not dangerous or damaging to the body in the long run. Would you also ban riders born at altitude as they have an inbuilt unfair advantage? Get real.
Quite a few riders have tested positive for banned substances in the last year, why are you not banging on about them and there teams cheating rather than persuing the juvenile witch hunt against Sky.
Joel's not having a pop, chap. Have a look at his posts over the last few weeks.
Thanks RR. As I said it is a grey area, what is 'moral' performance enhancement vs what isn't? Clearly we can all say EPO is bad, but adding your own blood, taking a caffeine pill, multivitamins, pain relievers...where exactly is this line drawn?
This is what i am getting at, if the only reason people choose not to dope is because it is illegal then i think its a much smaller step to being persuaded to dope if you have someone saying you won't get caught because they haven't a test or ruled this as illegal yet as opposed to someone else who says no i don't want to take that its not what i believe sport to be.0 -
Sport is merely a contest defined by an arbitrary set of rules. That's all it is. Either something is allowed or it's not. There are no grey areas, merely different heights of high horses that the 'moral guardians' what to climb on.
This is what i am getting at, if the only reason people choose not to dope is because it is illegal then i think its a much smaller step to being persuaded to dope if you have someone saying you won't get caught because they haven't a test or ruled this as illegal yet as opposed to someone else who says no i don't want to take that its not what i believe sport to be.
The legality of doping isn't the only thing that stops people. In normal life plenty smoke, drink, take sleeping pills, take prescription drugs, drink coffee - all legal. But lots of people don't. People can make their own decisions separate from the law.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Sport is merely a contest defined by an arbitrary set of rules. That's all it is. Either something is allowed or it's not. There are no grey areas, merely different heights of high horses that the 'moral guardians' what to climb on.
This is what i am getting at, if the only reason people choose not to dope is because it is illegal then i think its a much smaller step to being persuaded to dope if you have someone saying you won't get caught because they haven't a test or ruled this as illegal yet as opposed to someone else who says no i don't want to take that its not what i believe sport to be.
The legality of doping isn't the only thing that stops people. In normal life plenty smoke, drink, take sleeping pills, take prescription drugs, drink coffee - all legal. But lots of people don't. People can make their own decisions separate from the law.
I think that's what i said! Once we're into grey, there are so many shades (at least 50 as far as i am aware.... :? )0 -
There's a ridiculous double-standard applied to Sky. Not only must they avoid illegal methods, they must also ignore any substance/treatment/preparation that self-appointed morality police deem unfair or unsafe. Meanwhile, Astana etc.
Admittedly, the team leadership brought much of this on themselves with ludicrous, injudicious 'winning clean' PR, but you can probably put this down to chronic Class A abuse by management. Apparently they got so hammered last year that they made Richie Porte sleep in a camper van at the Giro. Poor guy....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19771737#p19771737]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19771577#p19771577]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:I still maintain that sky (and probably the other big budget teams) are one step ahead of WADA and taking things that are not yet banned/frowned upon, they did it with tramadol and have now probably moved on the the next thing.
You still maintain that big budget teams are operating entirely within the laws of the sport? Excellent.
This ^.
It's a very grey area, but to me it includes taking stuff that isn't on the banned list yet, altitude training etc....where do you stop? It's all legal until it's not.
Whether it's ethical is another matter, but if one team is doing it then the others will be too.
What do Dibble and Grubb say about it?
Altitude training???? Anyone can take a holiday in the mountains and go altitude training, so why should that be cheating? Bye and large its not dangerous or damaging to the body in the long run. Would you also ban riders born at altitude as they have an inbuilt unfair advantage? Get real.
Quite a few riders have tested positive for banned substances in the last year, why are you not banging on about them and there teams cheating rather than persuing the juvenile witch hunt against Sky.
Joel's not having a pop, chap. Have a look at his posts over the last few weeks.
Thanks RR. As I said it is a grey area, what is 'moral' performance enhancement vs what isn't? Clearly we can all say EPO is bad, but adding your own blood, taking a caffeine pill, multivitamins, pain relievers...where exactly is this line drawn?
This is what i am getting at, if the only reason people choose not to dope is because it is illegal then i think its a much smaller step to being persuaded to dope if you have someone saying you won't get caught because they haven't a test or ruled this as illegal yet as opposed to someone else who says no i don't want to take that its not what i believe sport to be.
Watch the Giant doc if you can, I forget the name and just look at the plethora of legal tablets. If it isn't on the banned list then plenty of riders will be doing it...and the same in every other sport.0 -
There's a ridiculous double-standard applied to Sky. Not only must they avoid illegal methods, they must also ignore any substance/treatment/preparation that self-appointed morality police deem unfair or unsafe. Meanwhile, Astana etc.
Admittedly, the team leadership brought much of this on themselves with ludicrous, injudicious 'winning clean' PR, but you can probably put this down to chronic Class A abuse by management. Apparently they got so hammered last year that they made Richie Porte sleep in a camper van at the Giro. Poor guy.
The definition of 'winning clean' is to not do stuff on the banned list, which leaves everything else as fair game.
Richie only slept in the camper as someone forgot to unlock the cat flap.0
