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Well I bought my current place in late 2021, so I guess I won't be first against the wall when the centre leftie revolution comes after all
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
When did you buy your first place?Stevo_666 said:Well I bought my current place in late 2021, so I guess I won't be first against the wall when the centre leftie revolution comes after all
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Other side of town is alright.rjsterry said:
Sure, but you don't all need to live next door to one another.rick_chasey said:
Family is sort of the point of life isn’t it?rjsterry said:
Nowt wrong with Croydon. Pretty sure they have a fancy fruit and veg shop somewhere 😉 Growing up with my grandparents on the other side of the country I always thought having your parents round the corner was a bit odd. Need to be in London for work and definitely not in 6 figure territory. 🤷🏻♂️rick_chasey said:
Yeah alas a) I can’t afford those places (presumably they have some parental help or out earn me) and b) I figured being near some grandparents would be helpful.shirley_basso said:Can't help but share the angst. My wife and I are both pretty high earners, but it definitey doesn't feel like it.
As for your main issue - it seems like you have chosen a career that demands you are based in London but also one that can't pay you enough to live there, and to add insult to injury you've chosen an extremly expensive place to live with particularly poor connection to the City (London Bridge and Kings X are excellent, though).
All my London pals live in Ealing, Wimbledon, Streatham, Earlsfield, Richmond etc, or just generally moved out west with none of the issues you mention.
My lot live in places like Catford or Croydon, Haringey, those sort of places.
The little one loves it.0 -
1988.kingstongraham said:
When did you buy your first place?Stevo_666 said:Well I bought my current place in late 2021, so I guess I won't be first against the wall when the centre leftie revolution comes after all
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
You would be snookered if your missus felt the same wayrick_chasey said:
Family is sort of the point of life isn’t it?rjsterry said:
Nowt wrong with Croydon. Pretty sure they have a fancy fruit and veg shop somewhere 😉 Growing up with my grandparents on the other side of the country I always thought having your parents round the corner was a bit odd. Need to be in London for work and definitely not in 6 figure territory. 🤷🏻♂️rick_chasey said:
Yeah alas a) I can’t afford those places (presumably they have some parental help or out earn me) and b) I figured being near some grandparents would be helpful.shirley_basso said:Can't help but share the angst. My wife and I are both pretty high earners, but it definitey doesn't feel like it.
As for your main issue - it seems like you have chosen a career that demands you are based in London but also one that can't pay you enough to live there, and to add insult to injury you've chosen an extremly expensive place to live with particularly poor connection to the City (London Bridge and Kings X are excellent, though).
All my London pals live in Ealing, Wimbledon, Streatham, Earlsfield, Richmond etc, or just generally moved out west with none of the issues you mention.
My lot live in places like Catford or Croydon, Haringey, those sort of places.0 -
She does tbh. Yorkshire’s a long way away from London.surrey_commuter said:
You would be snookered if your missus felt the same wayrick_chasey said:
Family is sort of the point of life isn’t it?rjsterry said:
Nowt wrong with Croydon. Pretty sure they have a fancy fruit and veg shop somewhere 😉 Growing up with my grandparents on the other side of the country I always thought having your parents round the corner was a bit odd. Need to be in London for work and definitely not in 6 figure territory. 🤷🏻♂️rick_chasey said:
Yeah alas a) I can’t afford those places (presumably they have some parental help or out earn me) and b) I figured being near some grandparents would be helpful.shirley_basso said:Can't help but share the angst. My wife and I are both pretty high earners, but it definitey doesn't feel like it.
As for your main issue - it seems like you have chosen a career that demands you are based in London but also one that can't pay you enough to live there, and to add insult to injury you've chosen an extremly expensive place to live with particularly poor connection to the City (London Bridge and Kings X are excellent, though).
All my London pals live in Ealing, Wimbledon, Streatham, Earlsfield, Richmond etc, or just generally moved out west with none of the issues you mention.
My lot live in places like Catford or Croydon, Haringey, those sort of places.
Have thought about the east coast commute but I can’t bring myself.0 -
Would you not be better off moving north on a job with half the salary?
With the issues you have I’m thankful I’m nowhere near London.
That shouldn’t be the case but just looking pragmatically. Doing a reverse Tebbit.0 -
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Fair do’s mate. Apologies if the post came across pithy. It wasn’t meant to. Sound like a truly sh1te scenario tbh.
We’re in a very fortunate position admittedly but I wouldn’t trade Coventry for London for family life. It’s only an hour away on a train if there is stuff we want to do down there.
I think people in the south have a very skewed view of anywhere north of Watford being a cultural desert. It’s certainly not the case.0 -
I know bits of the north well. Studied there and married a northerner.
It’s really the work. I’ve got a family to support and I’m not gonna jack it all in and start at the bottom in a different industry, not least when in theory the current earnings currently should go up sharper - if it wasn’t the worst start to the year since 2008.
It’s more you can feel the decline everyday. The train is genuinely worse post Corona. Much worse. Inflation is mad, gonna get smacked with eye watering mortgage rates soon enough and most of my work im having to schlep over to the continent to do it because the roles have moved out of London.
Firm is 25% smaller in headcount than it was in Jan. It’s tough out there.0 -
Dare I say that Labour's biggest problem is going to be vetting candidates to make sure they don't end up with some real weirdo MPs that they didn't really expect to be elected.1 -
I still find it bizarre the the Lib Dems aren't making any headway. I guess it is just a case of people wanting the Tories out and seeing a vote for Labour as the best way to do that.0
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Have you seen their policies recently?Pross said:I still find it bizarre the the Lib Dems aren't making any headway. I guess it is just a case of people wanting the Tories out and seeing a vote for Labour as the best way to do that.
Right smack in the ven diagram between stupid, populist and mad.
Wanting to hand out money to mortgage holders, an army of NIMBY councillors while Ed Davey directly contradicts them, going all in without any consideration on the trans/gender wars.
It's been a while they were an ideologically clear party that was focused on the practical and good governance. Instead it's all weird identity stuff.0 -
I was thinking purely in terms of people who've had enough of the Tories but can't bring themselves to vote Labour. There must be a lot of them and I suspect the vast majority of people don't really look in any detail at the policies of the various Parties.rick_chasey said:
Have you seen their policies recently?Pross said:I still find it bizarre the the Lib Dems aren't making any headway. I guess it is just a case of people wanting the Tories out and seeing a vote for Labour as the best way to do that.
Right smack in the ven diagram between stupid, populist and mad.
Wanting to hand out money to mortgage holders, an army of NIMBY councillors while Ed Davey directly contradicts them, going all in without any consideration on the trans/gender wars.
It's been a while they were an ideologically clear party that was focused on the practical and good governance. Instead it's all weird identity stuff.0 -
If the green party focussed on the environment they might do better as well.rick_chasey said:
Have you seen their policies recently?Pross said:I still find it bizarre the the Lib Dems aren't making any headway. I guess it is just a case of people wanting the Tories out and seeing a vote for Labour as the best way to do that.
Right smack in the ven diagram between stupid, populist and mad.
Wanting to hand out money to mortgage holders, an army of NIMBY councillors while Ed Davey directly contradicts them, going all in without any consideration on the trans/gender wars.
It's been a while they were an ideologically clear party that was focused on the practical and good governance. Instead it's all weird identity stuff.2 -
It was quite a achievement for them to be considered the second greenest party at the last election.kingstongraham said:
If the green party focussed on the environment they might do better as well.rick_chasey said:
Have you seen their policies recently?Pross said:I still find it bizarre the the Lib Dems aren't making any headway. I guess it is just a case of people wanting the Tories out and seeing a vote for Labour as the best way to do that.
Right smack in the ven diagram between stupid, populist and mad.
Wanting to hand out money to mortgage holders, an army of NIMBY councillors while Ed Davey directly contradicts them, going all in without any consideration on the trans/gender wars.
It's been a while they were an ideologically clear party that was focused on the practical and good governance. Instead it's all weird identity stuff.0 -
Yep, they are very left wing when it comes to financial policies although being green and pro-business must be a tricky balance.kingstongraham said:
If the green party focussed on the environment they might do better as well.rick_chasey said:
Have you seen their policies recently?Pross said:I still find it bizarre the the Lib Dems aren't making any headway. I guess it is just a case of people wanting the Tories out and seeing a vote for Labour as the best way to do that.
Right smack in the ven diagram between stupid, populist and mad.
Wanting to hand out money to mortgage holders, an army of NIMBY councillors while Ed Davey directly contradicts them, going all in without any consideration on the trans/gender wars.
It's been a while they were an ideologically clear party that was focused on the practical and good governance. Instead it's all weird identity stuff.0 -
So what's new?rick_chasey said:
Have you seen their policies recently?Pross said:I still find it bizarre the the Lib Dems aren't making any headway. I guess it is just a case of people wanting the Tories out and seeing a vote for Labour as the best way to do that.
Right smack in the ven diagram between stupid, populist and mad."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
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Retire there. Once you're a pensioner the job thing amd the commute clearly don't matter and by then you'll have a high value property that the next generation will hate you for and which you can cash in for something very nice up North.rick_chasey said:I know bits of the north well. Studied there and married a northerner.
It’s really the work. I’ve got a family to support and I’m not gonna jack it all in and start at the bottom in a different industry, not least when in theory the current earnings currently should go up sharper - if it wasn’t the worst start to the year since 2008.
It’s more you can feel the decline everyday. The train is genuinely worse post Corona. Much worse. Inflation is mad, gonna get smacked with eye watering mortgage rates soon enough and most of my work im having to schlep over to the continent to do it because the roles have moved out of London.
Firm is 25% smaller in headcount than it was in Jan. It’s tough out there.
Have considered it myself but as the OH s a Londoner and would never move there, it's not an option."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Yep. Some jobs just are Londoncentric and always will be.rick_chasey said:Sure. I can’t find the work that I can or would want to do.
I’ve looked hard enough.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Much of which will be doomed to be written off as greenwashing by traditional green party supporters.rick_chasey said:
There's a whole new industry in financial services dedicated to exactly that.Pross said:
Yep, they are very left wing when it comes to financial policies although being green and pro-business must be a tricky balance.
Tbh from an overall environmental pov it might be better if the green party can absorb the nutters from the movement and the more sensible ones can be in mainstream parties .0 -
I thought the FS sector was thriving in Leeds or has that stalled?rick_chasey said:I know bits of the north well. Studied there and married a northerner.
It’s really the work. I’ve got a family to support and I’m not gonna jack it all in and start at the bottom in a different industry, not least when in theory the current earnings currently should go up sharper - if it wasn’t the worst start to the year since 2008.
It’s more you can feel the decline everyday. The train is genuinely worse post Corona. Much worse. Inflation is mad, gonna get smacked with eye watering mortgage rates soon enough and most of my work im having to schlep over to the continent to do it because the roles have moved out of London.
Firm is 25% smaller in headcount than it was in Jan. It’s tough out there.0 -
There are anti green washing rules coming in. The result of which is green things not describing themselves as green just in case they break the rules.Jezyboy said:
Much of which will be doomed to be written off as greenwashing by traditional green party supporters.rick_chasey said:
There's a whole new industry in financial services dedicated to exactly that.Pross said:
Yep, they are very left wing when it comes to financial policies although being green and pro-business must be a tricky balance.
Tbh from an overall environmental pov it might be better if the green party can absorb the nutters from the movement and the more sensible ones can be in mainstream parties .
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FS is a big world. A lot going on in Leeds; not much that I know about.Pross said:
I thought the FS sector was thriving in Leeds or has that stalled?rick_chasey said:I know bits of the north well. Studied there and married a northerner.
It’s really the work. I’ve got a family to support and I’m not gonna jack it all in and start at the bottom in a different industry, not least when in theory the current earnings currently should go up sharper - if it wasn’t the worst start to the year since 2008.
It’s more you can feel the decline everyday. The train is genuinely worse post Corona. Much worse. Inflation is mad, gonna get smacked with eye watering mortgage rates soon enough and most of my work im having to schlep over to the continent to do it because the roles have moved out of London.
Firm is 25% smaller in headcount than it was in Jan. It’s tough out there.
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Pross said:
I still find it bizarre the the Lib Dems aren't making any headway. I guess it is just a case of people wanting the Tories out and seeing a vote for Labour as the best way to do that.
I think it's a measure of the loathing of the Tories that so many people will vote for Labour who wouldn't normally. It's as simple as that. Johnny Mercer's performance on QT last night should have added some more votes to Labour's tally. More extraordinary than his rudeness and fib-telling was the fact that he tweeted how well he thought it had gone.0 -
To be fair Starmer has done a lot to de toxify his partybriantrumpet said:Pross said:I still find it bizarre the the Lib Dems aren't making any headway. I guess it is just a case of people wanting the Tories out and seeing a vote for Labour as the best way to do that.
I think it's a measure of the loathing of the Tories that so many people will vote for Labour who wouldn't normally. It's as simple as that. Johnny Mercer's performance on QT last night should have added some more votes to Labour's tally. More extraordinary than his rudeness and fib-telling was the fact that he tweeted how well he thought it had gone.
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I suspect he's reading the room and trying to save his skin and reputation by untethering himself from not only Johnson but the ministers who are trying to sling political mud. He still strikes me as a bit slimy, but he's not stupid.0
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Did a bit of Leftie bashing for Stevo today. One of the local MPs and former Shadow Home Secretary did the 10k I ran but I beat him by 20 minutes.2
