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I agree finchy :shock:
I've said this before, if countries refuse to do business with any other country that has or seen to have a dodgy record on human rights, world trade would shrink pretty drastically. Pretty sure you could aim the same sort of accusation against the US, Russia etc and depending on your timeframe, Japan and a good portion of Europe.oh and banging on about Mao? an evil man no doubt of that but the present chinese leaders have and continue to kill and disposes their way through China and Tibet, not too mention their expansionist policies in the Pacific, but thats ok because we need their money, or rather the Tories do.
I've also been through the economic logic of foreign investment vs funding ourselves before, have a read.
On the whole I agree that one country refusing to do business with another because of human rights record would lead to gross hypocrisy, but that's no reason to stay silent on the subject. As part of the EU, we are in the world's biggest and most powerful economy. If our government started working for the EU to start imposing conditions on human rights and workers rights when we traded with other countries, we might end up seeing some very positive changes. After all, international pressure didn't harm the anti-apartheid movement.
Having the trading relationship also potentially gives us leverage - if we refused to trade then they would just tell us to take a running jump. (Whether this should be done at national or EU level is subject to the usual bunfight....)
We are already starting to see this sort of thing in business - for example we are making our suppliers sign up to agreements that they will not use 'slave' labour etc."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
No graduate positions in the summer then?
I agree finchy :shock:
I've said this before, if countries refuse to do business with any other country that has or seen to have a dodgy record on human rights, world trade would shrink pretty drastically. Pretty sure you could aim the same sort of accusation against the US, Russia etc and depending on your timeframe, Japan and a good portion of Europe.oh and banging on about Mao? an evil man no doubt of that but the present chinese leaders have and continue to kill and disposes their way through China and Tibet, not too mention their expansionist policies in the Pacific, but thats ok because we need their money, or rather the Tories do.
I've also been through the economic logic of foreign investment vs funding ourselves before, have a read.
On the whole I agree that one country refusing to do business with another because of human rights record would lead to gross hypocrisy, but that's no reason to stay silent on the subject. As part of the EU, we are in the world's biggest and most powerful economy. If our government started working for the EU to start imposing conditions on human rights and workers rights when we traded with other countries, we might end up seeing some very positive changes. After all, international pressure didn't harm the anti-apartheid movement. Having the trading relationship also potentially gives us leverage - if we refused to trade then they would just tell us to take a running jump. (Whether this should be done at national or EU level is subject to the usual bunfight....)
We are already starting to see this sort of thing in business - for example we are making our suppliers sign up to agreements that they will not use 'slave' labour etc.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Labour, the progressive party.
Pity equality doesn't stretch to women.
http://order-order.com/2015/11/30/labour-hold-another-segregated-rally/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3339241/Fury-Labour-s-segregated-rally-Sexism-row-men-women-segregated-party-rally-ahead-key-election.html0 -
Yeah, Woudnt the above be classed as " being sensitive to the varied and vast cultrural differences that exist in our great country"
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i feel sure that ANY meeting held in that area and within the Asian community, may well be segregated, as well you know Bally!0 -
That's up in Oldham where Labour look like losing a previously safe seat. Corbyn is real,y energising the electorate, but not in the way some on here had predictedLabour, the progressive party.
Pity equality doesn't stretch to women.
http://order-order.com/2015/11/30/labour-hold-another-segregated-rally/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3339241/Fury-Labour-s-segregated-rally-Sexism-row-men-women-segregated-party-rally-ahead-key-election.html "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
If you really can't tell the difference between doing business with China and a potential chancellor of the exchequer espousing the views of Chairman Mao then you're in the same boat as John McDonnell. No surprse there then
I've said this before, if countries refuse to do business with any other country that has or seen to have a dodgy record on human rights, world trade would shrink pretty drastically. Pretty sure you could aim the same sort of accusation against the US, Russia etc and depending on your timeframe, Japan and a good portion of Europe.oh and banging on about Mao? an evil man no doubt of that but the present chinese leaders have and continue to kill and disposes their way through China and Tibet, not too mention their expansionist policies in the Pacific, but thats ok because we need their money, or rather the Tories do.
I've also been through the economic logic of foreign investment vs funding ourselves before, have a read.
So, its all ok to have a go at the opposition for quoting Mao, whilst your lot carrying on sucking up to the chinese, like begging poodle.
Got to hand it to the Tories though, some how they ve managed to make their call for syrian airstrikes, Corbyns problem, eh???? Cameron has a working majority of 12, so why does he need labour? not much of PM if cant persuad his own party on air strikes.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Been on the VinoCollapso have we?0
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I assume that no one sent the script to Oldham then?
Increased majority.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
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Oldham must be full of terrorist-sympathising Maoists. 0
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... or alternatively people who are so tribal that they would vote for anything that had a red rose pinned to it. And that's even before we start talking about biraderi...0
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... or alternatively people who are so tribal that they would vote for anything that had a red rose pinned to it. And that's even before we start talking about biraderi...
Most likely.
That's a function of the electoral system however and can be equally applied to both main parties.
Where I was brought up it has been Tory since 1950, and in the elections before that only two weren't after 1847: 1945 and 1918....0 -
True. Although I might come across as some sort of Tory terror on here, I am in fact quite fluid in my views and have regularly voted for other parties - mostly tactically, it has to be said. I go with the famous (apocryphal) quote from Keynes: "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do?"... or alternatively people who are so tribal that they would vote for anything that had a red rose pinned to it. And that's even before we start talking about biraderi...
Most likely.
That's a function of the electoral system however and can be equally applied to both main parties.
Where I was brought up it has been Tory since 1950, and in the elections before that only two weren't after 1847: 1945 and 1918....
Most people don't, which depresses me a bit.0 -
That's a fairly damning inducement of the electoral system (and arguably the main source of a lot of grief) but this ain't the thread for that argument 0
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An interesting but slightly disturbing article on Corbyns plans. Well it would be disturbing if Labour had a snowballs chance in hell of being elected:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/12037972/Jeremy-Corbyn-does-have-a-clear-political-plan-it-just-doesnt-involve-the-Labour-Party.html"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Another idol of Corbyn and his acolytes revealed. Granted he wasn't in Mao's league when it came to sheer numbers, but not pleasant non the less.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2015/12/jeremy-corbyn-quotes-enver-hoxha-labour-party-christmas-party0 -
That New Statesman article wrote:The remark is believed to have been in jest.0
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There's only one article that anyone is actually reading in the new statesman and that is Blair's defence of Blairism.
Worth a read. If you go in open minded, anyway....0 -
Also, FT noted Osbourne's budget is very similar to what Labour's manifesto was (minus the cuts) and not similar to the Tory manifesto.0
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That New Statesman article wrote:The remark is believed to have been in jest.
Aw, don't go spoiling things.
Besides, if a leading Tory had joked about a fascist dictator, how much slack do you think you lefties would cut them? 0 -
That New Statesman article wrote:The remark is believed to have been in jest.
Aw, don't go spoiling things.
Besides, if a leading Tory had joked about a fascist dictator, how much slack do you think you lefties would cut them?
I really wouldn't care.
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Exactly. Mamba was quoting something that a tory had said about the homeless some 25 years ago as proof that all tories are heartless bastardsThat New Statesman article wrote:The remark is believed to have been in jest.
Aw, don't go spoiling things.
Besides, if a leading Tory had joked about a fascist dictator, how much slack do you think you lefties would cut them? So imagine the uproar if Cameron had quoted Adolf or extracts from from 'Mein Kampf'. Which kind of puts into perspective what McDonnell did the other week... "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
And the assessment of New Old Labour by possibly the most successful Labour leader of all time:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35050984
Makes me want to burst into song
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Exactly. Mamba was quoting something that a tory had said about the homeless some 25 years ago as proof that all tories are heartless bastardsThat New Statesman article wrote:The remark is believed to have been in jest.
Aw, don't go spoiling things.
Besides, if a leading Tory had joked about a fascist dictator, how much slack do you think you lefties would cut them? So imagine the uproar if Cameron had quoted Adolf or extracts from from 'Mein Kampf'. Which kind of puts into perspective what McDonnell did the other week...
I've only just seen footage of it. It looks to me like he's taking the p1ss out of the Tories for their relationship with the Chinese. I doubt very much that he's plotting to establish a Maoist dictatorship in Britain, but I could be wrong...
Can you imagine a similar fuss being made about a Tory MP defending the British Empire? After all, most of Mao's deaths came about due to disastrous economic policies during the Great Leap Forward and the associated famines. British misrule and privatisation of common land in India alone also killed upwards of 10 million people through famine (to pick just one atrocity), yet if a Tory MP said we should be proud of the British Empire, probably nobody would bat an eyelid.0 -
But no tory MP has done that - whereas McDonnell has quoted from Mao and Corbyn has quoted Hoxha. McDonnell clearly meant it. And there seems to have been a frenzied rush by lefties to claim that Corbyn was only joking, despite him being famous for not having a sense of humour "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
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But no tory MP has done that - whereas McDonnell has quoted from Mao and Corbyn has quoted Hoxha. McDonnell clearly meant it. And there seems to have been a frenzied rush by lefties to claim that Corbyn was only joking, despite him being famous for not having a sense of humour
David Cameron has acknowledged the crimes of the British Empire but said that we should still be proud of it. And how do we know that others haven't defended it? That's the point, nobody would care less.
When you say that McDonnell clearly meant it, do you really sit there and watch a Labour MP referring to George Osborne as "Comrade Chancellor" and think "yep, he's being deadly serious here. No way that he's taking the p1ss"?
EDIT: And for the sake of fairness, Labour MPs have also defended the Empire. But as I say, this barely warrants a mention.0 -
FTFYBut no tory MP has done that - whereas McDonnell has quoted from Mao and Corbyn has quoted Hoxha. McDonnell clearly meant it. And there seems to have been a frenzied rush by lefties to claim that Corbyn was only joking, despite him being famous for not having a sense of humour
David Cameron has acknowledged the crimes of the British Empire but said that we should still be proud of it. And how do we know that others haven't defended it? That's the point, nobody would care less.
When you say that McDonnell clearly meant it, do you really sit there and watch a Labour MP referring to George Osborne as "Comrade Chancellor" and think "yep, he's being deadly serious here. No way that he's taking the p1ss"?
EDIT: And for the sake of fairness, Labour MPs have also defended the Empire. But as I say, this thread barely warrants a mention.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
He's an influential guy..."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Interesting stuff from someone who has just left the Labour party in disgust:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/12051510/Jeremy-Corbyn-has-become-the-Lefts-Enoch-Powell.html"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
