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This has been happening for some time.regardless of your politics, a danger here is that public sector staff will leave to work in private sector, meaning more agency workers, costing public sector even more, look at nhs nursing costs for example?
There is quite often reports of nursing shortages which is why we have to import them.
Not true. There are plenty of nurses.
The problem is that so many have decided not to continue working under the current P&C. Conditions especially.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Not saying I don't use or appreciate the NHS or other public services. Just reminding you where the money comes from to pay for those services. Seeing as you seem quite keen to 'bite the hand that feeds you'.David Cameron will never face the same problem.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/11650086/David-Cameron-facing-Cabinet-split-over-MPs-pay.html
Then again, as we all know by now; many politicians talk the talk, but few walk.
so, this is on top of their 11% last year? and extra on pensions too....good work if you can get it.
Meanwhile those who really do need extra money and do support our country get nothing or 1%.....again....and its even beter as the 50% higher tax rate is down to 45% whay hey! good times roll on!
Good news for Steve0 though as it will mean even more people disillusioned with politics and this seems to affect labour supporters more than tory, so time to emigrate PB.
I dunno, private sector pay rises are more than that these days, as the results are improving in the current business friendly environment. I assume that's who you refer to when you talk about supporting the country as after all it is us in the private sector who fund the whole public sector?
i take it you mean more than 1% ? yes good news that private sector pay rises are in the 3% avg region but i was refering to nurses, teachers, soldiers, police who once again will get nothing or 1% or the ambulance and fire crews who had to deal with the death of my friend in a car accident recently, so yes they support us.
So, Steve0 next time your in a car accident or your kids are seriously ill, it will be public sector workers who you will be relying on, not an accountant or someone in IT.
regardless of your politics, a danger here is that public sector staff will leave to work in private sector, meaning more agency workers, costing public sector even more, look at nhs nursing costs for example?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Less of a reshuffle and more of a farce as we move towards day 3:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/12081870/Jeremy-Corbyn-finalises-his-shadow-cabinet-reshuffle-live.html
As one wag tweeted: "Lord Chilcot tells Jeremy Corbyn to get a bloody move on"
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Yeah it is a shambles.
With hindsight, Janan gets it right: "Once you have Corbyn making executive decisions in your party, it's good night. Futile to get worked up about the content of the decisions."0 -
He's not really cut out for it is he. It will definitely end badly, just a question of when. I suspect that the right and centre of the party will start to organise and fight back soon.Yeah it is a shambles.
With hindsight, Janan gets it right: "Once you have Corbyn making executive decisions in your party, it's good night. Futile to get worked up about the content of the decisions."
Also slightly ironic that a serial Labour party rebel is now trying to stamp out dissent in the Labour party."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Anyone want a sweepstake on when Corbyn will resign/be ousted?www.conjunctivitis.com - a site for sore eyes0
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All very well saying he has to go, but you need to be able to replace him.
The new system will make that difficult.0 -
All very well saying he has to go, but you need to be able to replace him.
The new system will make that difficult.
A few pages back I postedIf the PLP do manage to find a candidate, there is a very good chance that Corbyn would automatically be on any ballot paper and chances are, given the election set up, be elected again.
The only thing I could add is 0 -
True, the system that Labour has makes it difficult to remove an incumbent leader and Corbyn appears on a mission to put the hard left in control of the party, so it doesnt look like he will go voluntarily anytime soon.
Long may the farce continue
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Nice one Ken, another vote winner.
https://www.politicshome.com/foreign-and-defence/articles/story/labour-slaps-down-ken-livingstone-over-nato-rethink-claim0 -
Another masterstroke in another shambolic week for Labour was getting Diane Abbott on Newsnight.
Is this part of a masterplan?0 -
I used to think that Harriet Harman was a Tory secret agent. But she's a rank amateur compared to Corbyn's old squeeze.Another masterstroke in another shambolic week for Labour was getting Diane Abbott on Newsnight.
Is this part of a masterplan?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Corbyn really needs to get rid of Abbott ASAP. She's made multiple racist statements about whites, she's an absolute liability.0
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Interesting piece here on anti-Labour/Corbyn bias within the BBC.
https://seagullnic.wordpress.com/2016/01/08/the-crippled-estate-of-bbc-spin/0 -
My gut feel is that the BBC political viewpoint is somewhere mildly left of centre, ie a bit Lib Dem. Although TBH you need to be paying attention to the detail to.pick up any bias.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19776575#p19776575]Le Commentateur[/url] wrote:Interesting piece here on anti-Labour/Corbyn bias within the BBC.
https://seagullnic.wordpress.com/2016/01/08/the-crippled-estate-of-bbc-spin/
It is quite laughable though that some people were complaining that referring to Corbyn/Labour as 'left wing' constituted bias. I mean, is the Beeb not allowed to call a spade a spade any more? "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
It's not left of centre. You're just very far on the right Stevo so even centre right stuff feels left to you.
BBC is fairly neutral, with a natural (and unavoidable) bias towards the establishment.0 -
Of course you would say they are neutral, that just backs up my case that they are left of centre.It's not left of centre. You're just very far on the right Stevo so even centre right stuff feels left to you.
BBC is fairly neutral, with a natural (and unavoidable) bias towards the establishment.
Also I suppose I do look like I am far right from the viewpoint of a leftie. The fact that I support the elected majority government of the UK says otherwise "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Of course you would say they are neutral, that just backs up my case that they are left of centre.It's not left of centre. You're just very far on the right Stevo so even centre right stuff feels left to you.
BBC is fairly neutral, with a natural (and unavoidable) bias towards the establishment.
Also I suppose I do look like I am far right from the viewpoint of a leftie. The fact that I support the elected majority government of the UK says otherwise
From my perspective it feels quite right, but it's probably in the centre. I'm self aware enough to know the difference. There's been a fair number of independent studies that also say it's fairly centrist too.
You support a party that is a fairly broad church and you're certainly at the far end.0 -
In your opinion...
Of course you would say they are neutral, that just backs up my case that they are left of centre.It's not left of centre. You're just very far on the right Stevo so even centre right stuff feels left to you.
BBC is fairly neutral, with a natural (and unavoidable) bias towards the establishment.
Also I suppose I do look like I am far right from the viewpoint of a leftie. The fact that I support the elected majority government of the UK says otherwise
From my perspective it feels quite right, but it's probably in the centre. I'm self aware enough to know the difference. There's been a fair number of independent studies that also say it's fairly centrist too.
You support a party that is a fairly broad church and you're certainly at the far end."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Of course you would say they are neutral, that just backs up my case that they are left of centre.It's not left of centre. You're just very far on the right Stevo so even centre right stuff feels left to you.
BBC is fairly neutral, with a natural (and unavoidable) bias towards the establishment.
Also I suppose I do look like I am far right from the viewpoint of a leftie. The fact that I support the elected majority government of the UK says otherwise
You support a party that is a fairly broad church and you're certainly at the far end.
In your opinion...
Obviously based on what you write on here, i dont know anyone with more right wing views than you Steve0.
Way more to the right, than when i supported the Tories - but then again, the Tory party, generally, is more to the right than say under Thatcher, let alone Heath.0 -
In your opinion...
Of course you would say they are neutral, that just backs up my case that they are left of centre.It's not left of centre. You're just very far on the right Stevo so even centre right stuff feels left to you.
BBC is fairly neutral, with a natural (and unavoidable) bias towards the establishment.
Also I suppose I do look like I am far right from the viewpoint of a leftie. The fact that I support the elected majority government of the UK says otherwise
From my perspective it feels quite right, but it's probably in the centre. I'm self aware enough to know the difference. There's been a fair number of independent studies that also say it's fairly centrist too.
You support a party that is a fairly broad church and you're certainly at the far end.
Very little evidence to suggest otherwise.0 -
Its always a tactic used by the all sides to try to paint their opponents as being on the fringe. However in this case it is coming from someone who supports a fringe party with 8 MP's. Politically irrelevant.
In your opinion...
Of course you would say they are neutral, that just backs up my case that they are left of centre.It's not left of centre. You're just very far on the right Stevo so even centre right stuff feels left to you.
BBC is fairly neutral, with a natural (and unavoidable) bias towards the establishment.
Also I suppose I do look like I am far right from the viewpoint of a leftie. The fact that I support the elected majority government of the UK says otherwise
From my perspective it feels quite right, but it's probably in the centre. I'm self aware enough to know the difference. There's been a fair number of independent studies that also say it's fairly centrist too.
You support a party that is a fairly broad church and you're certainly at the far end.
Very little evidence to suggest otherwise.
Time to join the winning team? If not, then just wait. Your views are likely to change as you get more business and life experience."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I think you just don't like it because I call you out over your numerous unsubstantiated left wing claims
Of course you would say they are neutral, that just backs up my case that they are left of centre.It's not left of centre. You're just very far on the right Stevo so even centre right stuff feels left to you.
BBC is fairly neutral, with a natural (and unavoidable) bias towards the establishment.
Also I suppose I do look like I am far right from the viewpoint of a leftie. The fact that I support the elected majority government of the UK says otherwise
You support a party that is a fairly broad church and you're certainly at the far end.
In your opinion...
Obviously based on what you write on here, i dont know anyone with more right wing views than you Steve0.
Way more to the right, than when i supported the Tories - but then again, the Tory party, generally, is more to the right than say under Thatcher, let alone Heath. "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Obviously based on what you write on here, i dont know anyone with more right wing views than you Steve0.
Way more to the right, than when i supported the Tories - but then again, the Tory party, generally, is more to the right than say under Thatcher, let alone Heath.
I think you just don't like it because I call you out over your numerous unsubstantiated left wing claims
Ha Ha since when? we just have different views on things, accountants do tend to be rather single dimensional.
anyway, what do you think of the trade unons bill going through the Lords which will slash funding to labour party through changes in union levy and £2m reduction in state funding?0 -
It appears that individual union members need to opt in if they want to pay a political levy to the Labour party rather than the levy being paid automatically unless they opt out:
Obviously based on what you write on here, i dont know anyone with more right wing views than you Steve0.
Way more to the right, than when i supported the Tories - but then again, the Tory party, generally, is more to the right than say under Thatcher, let alone Heath.
I think you just don't like it because I call you out over your numerous unsubstantiated left wing claims
Ha Ha since when? we just have different views on things, accountants do tend to be rather single dimensional.
anyway, what do you think of the trade unons bill going through the Lords which will slash funding to labour party through changes in union levy and £2m reduction in state funding?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35278456
Cant see a problem with that. Of course if Labour are worth funding they wont lose much as all the union members will opt in "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I believe members already have the right to opt out.
http://www.ourunion.org.uk/PoliticalFundExemption.pdf
This just changes the emphasis. They will have to choose to opt in.0 -
Cant see a problem with that. Of course if Labour are worth funding they wont lose much as all the union members will opt in
i think that is the tories reason for doing it, having given union members an opt out and that didnt work, they go for more drastic measures, and cutting the state support for political parties, whilst doing nothing to ensure transparency in tory party funding OR more importantly, sorting out organ donation opt out rules.
Only an extreme right winger would like a one party state
I would also like an opt out into the £2.2m pension pot being paid to the shamed HMRC chief - so, in austerity, and 6 years in, we pay lottery winning style pensions to those who fail in their jobs, but only as a bribe if she doesn't take an embarrassing private sector position.....0 -
So are there any groups that need to opt out of making payments to the Conservatives? I'm not aware of any. This just levels the playing field.Cant see a problem with that. Of course if Labour are worth funding they wont lose much as all the union members will opt in
i think that is the tories reason for doing it, having given union members an opt out and that didnt work, they go for more drastic measures, and cutting the state support for political parties, whilst doing nothing to ensure transparency in tory party funding OR more importantly, sorting out organ donation opt out rules.
Only an extreme right winger would like a one party state
I would also like an opt out into the £2.2m pension pot being paid to the shamed HMRC chief - so, in austerity, and 6 years in, we pay lottery winning style pensions to those who fail in their jobs, but only as a bribe if she doesn't take an embarrassing private sector position.....
Agree that public servants should not be rewarded for failure. I suspect that the pension point is a contractual obligation, but it may be possible to alter future arrangements. What's embarrassing about a private sector position? Quite a few HMRC inspectors go into accountancy firms, usually because they can get much better pay. Fair play."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
that maybe but the unions pay almost all of labours funding, some £30m meanwhile Tories get virtually the same mainly from individuals.
so, we ve a party unduly influenced by unions and another funded by individuals, now why would either group do such things? influence? position, power? the good of the country is probably way down the list.
As for the HMRC boss, she has been in the role for 4 years, so what ever contract she has, was drawn up under the Tories and austerity - she came from the uk border agency and that has been a glowing success too :shock:
wtf is a career civil servant being put in charge of the nations tax collection?0 -
Reforms on party funding are borderline scandalous. Certainly making the UK less democratic. Tories threw the proposals out last time on the correct assumption that the best Tory party for the UK was one that was kept in check and fit by healthy competition.
Redrawing of the constituency boundaries isn't great either.0
