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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,408
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Are Corbyn's labour party really the "nasty party"?
    Looks very much like it:
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/exposed-jeremy-corbyns-hate-factory-kkh55kpgx
    And unsurprisingly, no sign of action to tackle the problem.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • RallyBiker
    RallyBiker Posts: 378
    Robert88 wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    thegreatdivide wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Shameful sh!t.

    https://twitter.com/davidgrossman/statu ... 8472474624
    That is bloody awful.

    I was going to link to one of the regular headlines about this but that clip makes the point really well. Let's see if Corbyn actually does anything about this apart from mouthing platitudes.

    I thought your Britain First lot would be right up for a bit if this?
    Please explain. No idea what you're talking about.
    In the absence of an answer, maybe the explanation is that Mr Divide was talking bollox?

    Britain First are anti-Semitic, no?
    No, but the Momentum party are as bad as the Blackshirts!
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,408
    Looks like the prospect of SDP mark 2 is coming up again...
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43697543

    Odds on this happening?

    Looks like McDonnell doesn't seem to like it, which has to be a good sign :)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    Is he not impressed? Then it actually sounds like a good idea then.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Sounds like a good idea that will be killed at birth by our medieval electoral system.

    The fact that Miliband D. Is being touted as the leader shows how totally bereft of talent the political landscape is.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,408
    IMO probability of happening pretty good. Probability of success pretty low.

    Labour has gone so far left there is a gap in the centre left that the Lib Dims can't fill. However if the last splintering of Old Labour is anything to go by, it was hardly a roaring success.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,554
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Is he not impressed? Then it actually sounds like a good idea then.
    Also suggests that he at least is aware that Labour cannot just rely on Corbyn's faithful followers to win an election.
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  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,930
    The Telegraph giving Corbyn some credit.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... /#comments
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,554
    Ballysmate wrote:
    The Telegraph giving Corbyn some credit.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... /#comments

    Do us non-subscribers get to know what that tiny flaw is?
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  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,930
    rjsterry wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    The Telegraph giving Corbyn some credit.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... /#comments

    Do us non-subscribers get to know what that tiny flaw is?

    Decisions on military action, Jeremy Corbyn told the Commons today, should not be taken unilaterally by a prime minister. Instead, they should be put to a vote in Parliament. “Enshrining the right of MPs to decide on matters of peace and war,” sniffed the Labour leader, “is essential.”

    Limiting the powers of prime ministers, of course, is bound to look appealing while one is in Opposition. Someday, however, the prime minister could be Mr Corbyn. And it’s not hard to imagine a situation in which a majority of MPs wanted military action… while Prime Minister Corbyn opposed it.

    Given Mr Corbyn’s unshakeable commitment to parliamentary democracy, he would, we must assume, carry out the majority’s wishes.

    “This war my Government is about to authorise is morally indefensible!” he would declare, signing off on air strikes before heading into Parliament Square to join a protest against them.

    “I, and millions of people across this country, am appalled by the weak leadership shown by this Prime Minister!” he would bark into a megaphone. “His shortsighted demands in Opposition have facilitated this disgraceful rush to war! The blood of innocent people is on his hands!”

    The rest of his speech would be drowned out, amid violent scuffles between his supporters. Half would be cheering Mr Corbyn as normal, while the other half would be denouncing him for daring to criticise himself.

    “These sickening attacks on Jeremy Corbyn by Jeremy Corbyn are a betrayal of Jeremy Corbyn,” a blogger at the pro-Corbyn website The Canary would fume. “It’s about time Jeremy Corbyn got behind himself. If Jeremy Corbyn doesn’t support Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership, he should make way for someone who does.”
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,554
    Is that it? Blimey the Telegraph really is going downhill. Sorry for wasting your time with the copy and paste.
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,408
    Ballysmate wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    The Telegraph giving Corbyn some credit.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... /#comments

    Do us non-subscribers get to know what that tiny flaw is?

    Decisions on military action, Jeremy Corbyn told the Commons today, should not be taken unilaterally by a prime minister. Instead, they should be put to a vote in Parliament. “Enshrining the right of MPs to decide on matters of peace and war,” sniffed the Labour leader, “is essential.”

    Limiting the powers of prime ministers, of course, is bound to look appealing while one is in Opposition. Someday, however, the prime minister could be Mr Corbyn. And it’s not hard to imagine a situation in which a majority of MPs wanted military action… while Prime Minister Corbyn opposed it.

    Given Mr Corbyn’s unshakeable commitment to parliamentary democracy, he would, we must assume, carry out the majority’s wishes.

    “This war my Government is about to authorise is morally indefensible!” he would declare, signing off on air strikes before heading into Parliament Square to join a protest against them.

    “I, and millions of people across this country, am appalled by the weak leadership shown by this Prime Minister!” he would bark into a megaphone. “His shortsighted demands in Opposition have facilitated this disgraceful rush to war! The blood of innocent people is on his hands!”

    The rest of his speech would be drowned out, amid violent scuffles between his supporters. Half would be cheering Mr Corbyn as normal, while the other half would be denouncing him for daring to criticise himself.

    “These sickening attacks on Jeremy Corbyn by Jeremy Corbyn are a betrayal of Jeremy Corbyn,” a blogger at the pro-Corbyn website The Canary would fume. “It’s about time Jeremy Corbyn got behind himself. If Jeremy Corbyn doesn’t support Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership, he should make way for someone who does.”
    That is rather amusing.

    Thankfully JC is not the one deciding on this sort of thing.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,930
    I can only assume RJS thought it a good idea.
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,930
    As a tax man you may find this amusing as well.
    Doyen of the Guardian making a cnut of himself.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSC3RMstJl8&t=2s

    Explains where some on here get their knowledge of the tax system
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,408
    Ballysmate wrote:
    As a tax man you may find this amusing as well.
    Doyen of the Guardian making a cnut of himself.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSC3RMstJl8&t=2s

    Explains where some on here get their knowledge of the tax system
    Clueless tw@t when it comes to tax, but what do you expect from someone like that. All he needs is a sense of righteous indignation and a few whopping misconceptions. Can't even tell the difference between income and wealth :D
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,930
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    As a tax man you may find this amusing as well.
    Doyen of the Guardian making a cnut of himself.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSC3RMstJl8&t=2s

    Explains where some on here get their knowledge of the tax system
    Clueless tw@t when it comes to tax, but what do you expect from someone like that. All he needs is a sense of righteous indignation and a few whopping misconceptions. Can't even tell the difference between income and wealth :D

    You give him too much credit. You could have stopped after 'Clueless tw@t'
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,408
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    As a tax man you may find this amusing as well.
    Doyen of the Guardian making a cnut of himself.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSC3RMstJl8&t=2s

    Explains where some on here get their knowledge of the tax system
    Clueless tw@t when it comes to tax, but what do you expect from someone like that. All he needs is a sense of righteous indignation and a few whopping misconceptions. Can't even tell the difference between income and wealth :D

    You give him too much credit. You could have stopped after 'Clueless tw@t'
    Guardian columnist and a socialist. Says it all.

    The look of the faces of Campbell and Portillo in that interview was priceless :D
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,554
    Ballysmate wrote:
    I can only assume RJS thought it a good idea.
    Thought what was a good idea? I just find it a bit odd that someone would go to the bother of inventing a pretty wet strawman argument to diss Corbyn when there so many real concrete examples of him being a terrible leader. Brexit: no leadership; antisemitism in the Labour party: no leadership; the Skripals: no leadership; Syria: no leadership; the HO's appalling treatment of people who have every right to be here: no leadership. Plenty about what's wrong with everyone else's ideas, but none of his own. I mean it's not as if the Telegraph is short of material.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
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    One year ago today.
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  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    rjsterry wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    I can only assume RJS thought it a good idea.
    Thought what was a good idea? I just find it a bit odd that someone would go to the bother of inventing a pretty wet strawman argument to diss Corbyn when there so many real concrete examples of him being a terrible leader. Brexit: no leadership; antisemitism in the Labour party: no leadership; the Skripals: no leadership; Syria: no leadership; the HO's appalling treatment of people who have every right to be here: no leadership. Plenty about what's wrong with everyone else's ideas, but none of his own. I mean it's not as if the Telegraph is short of material.
    I think the bit in bold explains it. He's a politician who's made a career opposing the ideas and actions of others. His own ideas on policy are muddled and without clarity. However as has been shown by his handling of the Skripals case, of Syria, of Brexit and his almost complete absence over the Windrush, even his abilities for opposing the actions / ideas of others has left him. Is that because he's being surrounded by party apparatchiks trying to pull together policy but in reality stopping him being who he is politically? If he ever was a good politician at opposing then why is he not let loose to oppose now he's leader of the opposition? Unless he never was that great opposing, socialist politician he was painted to be?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Meanwhile we're mired in a two party system where the level of debate has reached "which party's racism is worse?"
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  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    Has there really been much political debate for decades? I used to remember watching question time with the old political beasts debating current affairs topics. It's been decades since it was worth watching. I think one of the last debates worth watching on that show was Benn and iirc Hesseltine. Used to like watching Benn on that programme. Not the Hillary version but Tony Neil Wedgwood Benn, a socialist I respected.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,408
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    He won't win.
    And how about this brilliant prediction from nearly 3 years ago on this very thread :wink:
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Yeah, it's about as right as the prediction that Corbyn as leader would send labour to electoral oblivion.

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,408
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Yeah, it's about as right as the prediction that Corbyn as leader would send labour to electoral oblivion.

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    How many general elections have they won?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Yeah, it's about as right as the prediction that Corbyn as leader would send labour to electoral oblivion.

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    How many general elections have they won?

    Game's not over yet.
  • Jez mon
    Jez mon Posts: 3,809
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Yeah, it's about as right as the prediction that Corbyn as leader would send labour to electoral oblivion.

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    How many general elections have they won?

    Game's not over yet.


    Last election was hardly electoral oblivion for Labour was it now? Or are we playing the I don't know what words mean game again.
    You live and learn. At any rate, you live
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,408
    Jez mon wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Yeah, it's about as right as the prediction that Corbyn as leader would send labour to electoral oblivion.

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    How many general elections have they won?

    Game's not over yet.


    Last election was hardly electoral oblivion for Labour was it now? Or are we playing the I don't know what words mean game again.
    Electoral oblivion was obviously the preferred result. But keeping the leftietwats out of power will do.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Grudging admission there Stevo, that any conventional labour leader rather than this sh!tshow would have won.

    It’s a sh!tshow both ways.
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  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Grudging admission there Stevo, that any conventional labour leader rather than this sh!tshow would have won.

    It’s a sh!tshow both ways.

    No it's a sh!tshow because there are too many leftietwats, people like you, that look for reasons to absolve people of their responsibilities by giving them excuses and who whinge, moan and complain all the time because they only want to see negatives.

    You and people like you with your actions are slowly making everything worse because of the above and hence are fueling the reason the far right is gaining in strength

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