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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,329
    No surprise.
    But, why not?
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    I believe the relevant international body for chemical weapons is now carrying out its own tests. So why give Russia that role when the appropriate international perhaps neutral body is carrying out the tests? The body I believe UK and Russia are members of.

    Surely is better getting a third party to do the tests than leaving it to the victim state (UK) or the accused state (Russia) to argue the toss over it. I mean Russia will obviously come up with evidence it's not they nerve agent irrespective if whether it is or not. Just like that argument could be applied in reverse to the UK.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,329
    Exactly. But it does give Russia that level of defence, and leave the UK with that level of accusation. What is there to lose?
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    They could use it to discredit the Western testing somehow. Cast a little seed of doubt that the testing is wrong and the enemy wins a little more. At the moment you've got Porton Down saying it's a Russian developed nerve toxin. They're highly respected in this field. It's going to the international body for testing at a limited number of highly respected testing establishments based in a few different countries. Porton Down is actually one of those such samples would go to normally.

    So these testing establishments with impeccable reputations and capabilities will test it. If they come to the same conclusion then there's more weight to the argument for it being likely that the Russians had a hand in it. Give it to Russia now and they could come out with results that suit their cause before the international body has published. Suddenly Russia has gained the headlines and leading the story.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    We all chill about Russians (who kill residents in the UK and are comfortable with UK citizens being made ill and dying as collateral) having donated almost £1m to the Tory party since the EU referendum?

    But the '80s fake communist stuff, that's the real bad sh!t.

    Bit weird that the one who took the money isn't the one who is acting like he did.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    You wouldn't give the accused murder access to the evidence at the scene of the crime.

    Don't be so stupid and fall into their traps.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Some absolutely shameful sh!t coming out of the mouth of noisy Labour Party members.

    Absolutely no excuse for anyone to be voting for any labour councillor or MP who is not at pains to say how disgraceful this anti semitism is.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Shameful sh!t.

    https://twitter.com/davidgrossman/statu ... 8472474624
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,408
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Shameful sh!t.

    https://twitter.com/davidgrossman/statu ... 8472474624
    That is bloody awful.

    I was going to link to one of the regular headlines about this but that clip makes the point really well. Let's see if Corbyn actually does anything about this apart from mouthing platitudes.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Shameful sh!t.

    https://twitter.com/davidgrossman/statu ... 8472474624
    That is bloody awful.

    I was going to link to one of the regular headlines about this but that clip makes the point really well. Let's see if Corbyn actually does anything about this apart from mouthing platitudes.

    I thought your Britain First lot would be right up for a bit if this?
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,930
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... tisemitism

    So the Chakrabarti woman whored herself for nothing then?
    According to her there is no problem with anti Semitism in the party but now Jezza says there are pockets of it?
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,408
    thegreatdivide wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Shameful sh!t.

    https://twitter.com/davidgrossman/statu ... 8472474624
    That is bloody awful.

    I was going to link to one of the regular headlines about this but that clip makes the point really well. Let's see if Corbyn actually does anything about this apart from mouthing platitudes.

    I thought your Britain First lot would be right up for a bit if this?
    Please explain. No idea what you're talking about.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,408
    Ballysmate wrote:
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/26/jeremy-corbyn-accused-of-being-figurehead-for-antisemitism

    So the Chakrabarti woman whored herself for nothing then?
    According to her there is no problem with anti Semitism in the party but now Jezza says there are pockets of it?
    I am guessing they are talking clown sized pockets, in keeping with the nature of the current Labour party.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,554
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Shameful sh!t.

    https://twitter.com/davidgrossman/statu ... 8472474624
    That is bloody awful.

    I was going to link to one of the regular headlines about this but that clip makes the point really well. Let's see if Corbyn actually does anything about this apart from mouthing platitudes.

    This keeps happening. Corbyn keeps putting a few placatory words together (usually generalised to avoid actually directly criticising whoever it is) and promising that it won't be tolerated, but clearly it is tolerated because this keeps happening.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,930
    A shred of decency in the Labour Party

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... abour-mps/
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,408
    Ballysmate wrote:
    A shred of decency in the Labour Party

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... abour-mps/
    15 out of how many?

    Also I wonder how many of them will get abuse/threats from Corbyns rent a mob types?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,930
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    A shred of decency in the Labour Party

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... abour-mps/
    15 out of how many?

    Also I wonder how many of them will get abuse/threats from Corbyns rent a mob types?

    Jeremy Corbyn’s latest Jew-related shenanigans topped BBC Radio 4’s news headlines this morning. The following item was about the improbably-named Stormy Daniels and her alleged affair with Donald Trump a decade before he became president.

    The significance of that juxtaposition isn’t hard to deduce: here we have two national politicians elevated to their positions by followers who refuse to believe a contrary word against them.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... w-exposed/

    Perhaps deselection awaits.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,554
    Tom Harris is no longer a Labour MP, but if he were I'm sure there would be such calls. As it is I think he's already denounced by the Corbynite faithful as a New Labour Blairite and therefore worse than the Tories.

    Mind you, he is director of the Scottish branch of Vote Leave, so I do hope he's kept his affairs in order. Clearly not as Blairite as all that.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,408
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    thegreatdivide wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Shameful sh!t.

    https://twitter.com/davidgrossman/statu ... 8472474624
    That is bloody awful.

    I was going to link to one of the regular headlines about this but that clip makes the point really well. Let's see if Corbyn actually does anything about this apart from mouthing platitudes.

    I thought your Britain First lot would be right up for a bit if this?
    Please explain. No idea what you're talking about.
    In the absence of an answer, maybe the explanation is that Mr Divide was talking bollox?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • robert88
    robert88 Posts: 2,696
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    thegreatdivide wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Shameful sh!t.

    https://twitter.com/davidgrossman/statu ... 8472474624
    That is bloody awful.

    I was going to link to one of the regular headlines about this but that clip makes the point really well. Let's see if Corbyn actually does anything about this apart from mouthing platitudes.

    I thought your Britain First lot would be right up for a bit if this?
    Please explain. No idea what you're talking about.
    In the absence of an answer, maybe the explanation is that Mr Divide was talking bollox?

    Britain First are anti-Semitic, no?
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,554
    Robert88 wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    thegreatdivide wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Shameful sh!t.

    https://twitter.com/davidgrossman/statu ... 8472474624
    That is bloody awful.

    I was going to link to one of the regular headlines about this but that clip makes the point really well. Let's see if Corbyn actually does anything about this apart from mouthing platitudes.

    I thought your Britain First lot would be right up for a bit if this?
    Please explain. No idea what you're talking about.
    In the absence of an answer, maybe the explanation is that Mr Divide was talking bollox?

    Britain First are anti-Semitic, no?

    Key word highlighted. Bit of an accusation to make without anything to back it up.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,408
    rjsterry wrote:
    Robert88 wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    thegreatdivide wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Shameful sh!t.

    https://twitter.com/davidgrossman/statu ... 8472474624
    That is bloody awful.

    I was going to link to one of the regular headlines about this but that clip makes the point really well. Let's see if Corbyn actually does anything about this apart from mouthing platitudes.

    I thought your Britain First lot would be right up for a bit if this?
    Please explain. No idea what you're talking about.
    In the absence of an answer, maybe the explanation is that Mr Divide was talking bollox?

    Britain First are anti-Semitic, no?

    Key word highlighted. Bit of an accusation to make without anything to back it up.
    Beat me to it.

    Maybe it's mamba's third login making an appearance?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,554
    Looks like Jeremy's loyal followers are helping to dig the hole deeper.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rbyn-lammy
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,408
    rjsterry wrote:
    Looks like Jeremy's loyal followers are helping to dig the hole deeper.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rbyn-lammy
    They are not just nasty, but stupid as well.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    Are Corbyn's labour party really the "nasty party"?

    BTW if any MP is threatened by deselection because they stand up for an issue like antisemitism then it's a poor state of play no matter what party it is.

    I might not agree with labour's new direction under Corbyn but if this antisemitism under his watch isn't dealt with in a determined way then I worry even more over the prospect he could become prime minister.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Are Corbyn's labour party really the "nasty party"?

    BTW if any MP is threatened by deselection because they stand up for an issue like antisemitism then it's a poor state of play no matter what party it is.

    I might not agree with labour's new direction under Corbyn but if this antisemitism under his watch isn't dealt with in a determined way then I worry even more over the prospect he could become prime minister.

    do you really think that Corbyn is not anti-semitic?

    Labour's only hope is that the Unions fight off Momentum

    MPs face de-selection for "not being one of us"
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,554
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Are Corbyn's labour party really the "nasty party"?

    BTW if any MP is threatened by deselection because they stand up for an issue like antisemitism then it's a poor state of play no matter what party it is.

    I might not agree with labour's new direction under Corbyn but if this antisemitism under his watch isn't dealt with in a determined way then I worry even more over the prospect he could become prime minister.

    do you really think that Corbyn is not anti-semitic?

    Labour's only hope is that the Unions fight off Momentum

    MPs face de-selection for "not being one of us"
    I'm honestly not sure what he thinks about anything. The man equivocates at Olympic standard.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    Corbyn isn't the whole party. I have no doubt at all that Corbyn is that nice guy politician who wants to fight injustice, including antisemitism, where he finds it.

    However I believe the tories have had some nice people too at the top but still very the nasty party label.

    I just wonder when we can start using the phrase for the labour party too. Does this issue not deserve the moniker as the nasty party?
  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    I would not equate his ineffectual response to the issue as him being asking those who are part of the problem. In that respect he is only part of the problem because he's significantly powerful in the party to help effect change but hasn't. He's most certainly not the part of the problem that's actually antisemitic. He's just not helped clear out out of the Labour Party.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Corbyn isn't the whole party. I have no doubt at all that Corbyn is that nice guy politician who wants to fight injustice, including antisemitism, where he finds it.

    However I believe the tories have had some nice people too at the top but still very the nasty party label.

    I just wonder when we can start using the phrase for the labour party too. Does this issue not deserve the moniker as the nasty party?

    not convinced Corbyn is a nice person. If you look at his fellow travellers over the last 40 years you get a good feel for what sort of a person he is.

    He may flip flop on peripheral issues like Brexit but the important stuff like seizing the levers of power in the Labour Party and driving out all (and potential) opposition as well as an instinctive distrust of Jews/Americans/Tories and approval of all things left wing he has been incredibly consistent over decades

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