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rjsterry

Ballysmate wrote:

The police seemed to even come out of retirement to have a go at Damian Green. Meanwhile we have Keith Vaz who it is alleged is guilty of offering to supply class A drugs to sex workers and gets a free pass. :?
Investigations into his behaviour have been suspended due to ill health. He does seem to become ill when he gets investigated, poor lamb.
Vaz appears to have bravely left his sick bed to speak in the Commons on 11 December and voted in the lobbies just before the Xmas recess. What a Trojan!
Not defending him but I wonder why Green thought the police had an agenda, having waited 9 years to get him?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... al-reasons

I think Green and that police officer have a bit of history going back to when he was in the shadow cabinet. It was Green pretending he didn't know what anyone was talking about that provoked the further revelations.

RallyBiker

Stevo 666 wrote:

It wouldn't be New Year without a bit of Labour delusion
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42524076

Happy New Year folks - I'm looking forward to some calm, rational political debate in 2018

Staking the middle ground and planning to clobber the middle classes in their pockets, great news. A few of you champagne socialist cyclists will have to go without an N+1 if this clown and his Momentum/Antifa stormtroopers get in. Me well I'm poor and work in Government so looking forward to a pay rise at last! Up the workers! Happy New Year!

rick_chasey

Guys like you rally and antifa need each other to exist.

sungod

mamba80 wrote:

Inflation up again, headline is 3.1 % but within food is up 5%, tea/coffee 7%, electricity 11%... and all very much caused by the Tories and their disastrous brexit policy.

All very well saying these will work through as the affects of weaker £ but they still be year on year higher than they were and still wages for most people are staying at 0%, how folk on benefits are expected to manage, who knows are apparently even cares, personally dont know anyone who has had a wage rise.

to be fair, labour are all for brexit too, they could be creating a lot more heat, but they don't, they like how it's going

can't see things improving...

there're already farmers who couldn't get crops picked as migrant workers were going elsewhere, presumably put off by the fall of sterling and the vocal bigotry

brexit voting areas are already whining that they need migrant workers, not as equals of course, just prettied up slave labour...

https://www.cornwall.gov.uk/council-and ... er-brexit/

...they want to "make sure that the Cornish economy has access to skills which may not be highly valued in London but which are vital to a major rural economy like ours", eh? they voted brexit, london didn't, wtf has london got to do with it? typical whining brexiters, always blaming others for the mess they created

if there're fit brexiters on benefits, we need to send them into the fields, or out doing the bins and sweeping the streets

brexiters complained foreigners were taking their jobs, now the jobs are waiting for them, brexiters need to stop whining and do them

mamba80

Ballysmate wrote:

The police seemed to even come out of retirement to have a go at Damian Green. Meanwhile we have Keith Vaz who it is alleged is guilty of offering to supply class A drugs to sex workers and gets a free pass. :?
Investigations into his behaviour have been suspended due to ill health. He does seem to become ill when he gets investigated, poor lamb.
Vaz appears to have bravely left his sick bed to speak in the Commons on 11 December and voted in the lobbies just before the Xmas recess. What a Trojan!
Not defending him but I wonder why Green thought the police had an agenda, having waited 9 years to get him?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... al-reasons

Keith Vaz is not a senior Government Minister found guilty of lying and strongly suspected of viewing porn at work, a instant dismissal in most work places.

surrey_commuter

mamba80 wrote:

Ballysmate wrote:

The police seemed to even come out of retirement to have a go at Damian Green. Meanwhile we have Keith Vaz who it is alleged is guilty of offering to supply class A drugs to sex workers and gets a free pass. :?
Investigations into his behaviour have been suspended due to ill health. He does seem to become ill when he gets investigated, poor lamb.
Vaz appears to have bravely left his sick bed to speak in the Commons on 11 December and voted in the lobbies just before the Xmas recess. What a Trojan!
Not defending him but I wonder why Green thought the police had an agenda, having waited 9 years to get him?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... al-reasons

Keith Vaz is not a senior Government Minister found guilty of lying and strongly suspected of viewing porn at work, a instant dismissal in most work places.

Not nine years ago when he wasn't looking at it.

mamba80

Surrey Commuter wrote:

mamba80 wrote:

Ballysmate wrote:

The police seemed to even come out of retirement to have a go at Damian Green. Meanwhile we have Keith Vaz who it is alleged is guilty of offering to supply class A drugs to sex workers and gets a free pass. :?
Investigations into his behaviour have been suspended due to ill health. He does seem to become ill when he gets investigated, poor lamb.
Vaz appears to have bravely left his sick bed to speak in the Commons on 11 December and voted in the lobbies just before the Xmas recess. What a Trojan!
Not defending him but I wonder why Green thought the police had an agenda, having waited 9 years to get him?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... al-reasons

Keith Vaz is not a senior Government Minister found guilty of lying and strongly suspected of viewing porn at work, a instant dismissal in most work places.

Not nine years ago when he wasn't looking at it.

But he was caught lying about when and what he knew as a Gov minister.... neither you nor i know what he was viewing, but its stretching it to believe the Police would be making it all up... had he been dealt with as any you or i would, he d have been dismissed 9 years ago.

I ve been part of a team that monitors remote PCs and if we find porn, then the laptop is locked and the 99x out a 100 the employer is sacked, saying someone else viewed it, is no defence just means you left you laptop unlocked, a sackable offence....

ballysmate

mamba80 wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

mamba80 wrote:

Ballysmate wrote:

The police seemed to even come out of retirement to have a go at Damian Green. Meanwhile we have Keith Vaz who it is alleged is guilty of offering to supply class A drugs to sex workers and gets a free pass. :?
Investigations into his behaviour have been suspended due to ill health. He does seem to become ill when he gets investigated, poor lamb.
Vaz appears to have bravely left his sick bed to speak in the Commons on 11 December and voted in the lobbies just before the Xmas recess. What a Trojan!
Not defending him but I wonder why Green thought the police had an agenda, having waited 9 years to get him?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... al-reasons

Keith Vaz is not a senior Government Minister found guilty of lying and strongly suspected of viewing porn at work, a instant dismissal in most work places.

Not nine years ago when he wasn't looking at it.

But he was caught lying about when and what he knew as a Gov minister.... neither you nor i know what he was viewing, but its stretching it to believe the Police would be making it all up... had he been dealt with as any you or i would, he d have been dismissed 9 years ago.

I ve been part of a team that monitors remote PCs and if we find porn, then the laptop is locked and the 99x out a 100 the employer is sacked, saying someone else viewed it, is no defence just means you left you laptop unlocked, a sackable offence....

...whereas procuring sex with the offer to to supply coke get a free pass?

More sympathy for drug supplierrs is it?

rjsterry

Ballysmate wrote:

mamba80 wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

mamba80 wrote:

Ballysmate wrote:

The police seemed to even come out of retirement to have a go at Damian Green. Meanwhile we have Keith Vaz who it is alleged is guilty of offering to supply class A drugs to sex workers and gets a free pass. :?
Investigations into his behaviour have been suspended due to ill health. He does seem to become ill when he gets investigated, poor lamb.
Vaz appears to have bravely left his sick bed to speak in the Commons on 11 December and voted in the lobbies just before the Xmas recess. What a Trojan!
Not defending him but I wonder why Green thought the police had an agenda, having waited 9 years to get him?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... al-reasons

Keith Vaz is not a senior Government Minister found guilty of lying and strongly suspected of viewing porn at work, a instant dismissal in most work places.

Not nine years ago when he wasn't looking at it.

But he was caught lying about when and what he knew as a Gov minister.... neither you nor i know what he was viewing, but its stretching it to believe the Police would be making it all up... had he been dealt with as any you or i would, he d have been dismissed 9 years ago.

I ve been part of a team that monitors remote PCs and if we find porn, then the laptop is locked and the 99x out a 100 the employer is sacked, saying someone else viewed it, is no defence just means you left you laptop unlocked, a sackable offence....

...whereas procuring sex with the offer to to supply coke get a free pass?

More sympathy for drug supplierrs is it?

No sympathy for either of them but Vaz doesn't have a cabinet post to resign from; he resigned as chair of the Home Affairs Select Committee. Green is still an MP, like Vaz. Don't see any preferential treatment or free pass.

mamba80

Ballysmate wrote:

mamba80 wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

mamba80 wrote:

Ballysmate wrote:

The police seemed to even come out of retirement to have a go at Damian Green. Meanwhile we have Keith Vaz who it is alleged is guilty of offering to supply class A drugs to sex workers and gets a free pass. :?
Investigations into his behaviour have been suspended due to ill health. He does seem to become ill when he gets investigated, poor lamb.
Vaz appears to have bravely left his sick bed to speak in the Commons on 11 December and voted in the lobbies just before the Xmas recess. What a Trojan!
Not defending him but I wonder why Green thought the police had an agenda, having waited 9 years to get him?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... al-reasons

Keith Vaz is not a senior Government Minister found guilty of lying and strongly suspected of viewing porn at work, a instant dismissal in most work places.

Not nine years ago when he wasn't looking at it.

But he was caught lying about when and what he knew as a Gov minister.... neither you nor i know what he was viewing, but its stretching it to believe the Police would be making it all up... had he been dealt with as any you or i would, he d have been dismissed 9 years ago.

I ve been part of a team that monitors remote PCs and if we find porn, then the laptop is locked and the 99x out a 100 the employer is sacked, saying someone else viewed it, is no defence just means you left you laptop unlocked, a sackable offence....

...whereas procuring sex with the offer to to supply coke get a free pass?

More sympathy for drug supplierrs is it?

as far as i m aware, pls correct me if i m wrong, but KV has been found guilty of nothing at all..... let alone supplying coke and procuring sex, evidence please? and pass it to the Police/CPS as your civic duty.

as i said, Green, was sacked for lying to the commons, press and the PM, she sacked him, or rather forced him to resign from Gov.

KV stepped down from his post..... & imho Green should also resign as an MP and if Vas is guilty as you seem so sure he is, then he too should no longer be an MP and face criminal charges, his is certainly the most serious charge but if the CPS and presumably a judge and doctor think he cant stand trial etc, then we have to accept that or accept that the UK, & its offices of state are indeed very corrupt.

bompington

Oh dear Mamba, you're showing all the classic signs of mindless tribalism. "He may be an 4rsehole but he's our 4rsehole so we have to defend him".

rjsterry

bompington wrote:

Oh dear Mamba, you're showing all the classic signs of mindless tribalism. "He may be an 4rsehole but he's our 4rsehole so we have to defend him".

What "classic signs of mindless tribalism" specifically? Both Vaz and Green have resigned; it's BM who is trying to make out that Vaz should 'resign more'.

bompington

rjsterry wrote:

bompington wrote:

Oh dear Mamba, you're showing all the classic signs of mindless tribalism. "He may be an 4rsehole but he's our 4rsehole so we have to defend him".

What "classic signs of mindless tribalism" specifically? Both Vaz and Green have resigned; it's BM who is trying to make out that Vaz should 'resign more'.

I'm not commenting on what Vaz and Green did or didn't do, only the attitude that comes through every post from Mamba of "Green's a nasty Tory so let's get him, but Vaz is one of us"

rjsterry

In which case, why no similar comment on BM'S equally partisan original post? Or does he just sit closer to your political viewpoint?

ballysmate

mamba80 wrote:

Ballysmate wrote:

mamba80 wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

mamba80 wrote:

Ballysmate wrote:

The police seemed to even come out of retirement to have a go at Damian Green. Meanwhile we have Keith Vaz who it is alleged is guilty of offering to supply class A drugs to sex workers and gets a free pass. :?
Investigations into his behaviour have been suspended due to ill health. He does seem to become ill when he gets investigated, poor lamb.
Vaz appears to have bravely left his sick bed to speak in the Commons on 11 December and voted in the lobbies just before the Xmas recess. What a Trojan!
Not defending him but I wonder why Green thought the police had an agenda, having waited 9 years to get him?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... al-reasons

Keith Vaz is not a senior Government Minister found guilty of lying and strongly suspected of viewing porn at work, a instant dismissal in most work places.

Not nine years ago when he wasn't looking at it.

But he was caught lying about when and what he knew as a Gov minister.... neither you nor i know what he was viewing, but its stretching it to believe the Police would be making it all up... had he been dealt with as any you or i would, he d have been dismissed 9 years ago.

I ve been part of a team that monitors remote PCs and if we find porn, then the laptop is locked and the 99x out a 100 the employer is sacked, saying someone else viewed it, is no defence just means you left you laptop unlocked, a sackable offence....

...whereas procuring sex with the offer to to supply coke get a free pass?

More sympathy for drug supplierrs is it?

as far as i m aware, pls correct me if i m wrong, but KV has been found guilty of nothing at all..... let alone supplying coke and procuring sex, evidence please? and pass it to the Police/CPS as your civic duty.

as i said, Green, was sacked for lying to the commons, press and the PM, she sacked him, or rather forced him to resign from Gov.

KV stepped down from his post..... & imho Green should also resign as an MP and if Vas is guilty as you seem so sure he is, then he too should no longer be an MP and face criminal charges, his is certainly the most serious charge but if the CPS and presumably a judge and doctor think he cant stand trial etc, then we have to accept that or accept that the UK, & its offices of state are indeed very corrupt.

Mamba, I don't care that Green or anyone else has legal porn on his computer and accept that he had to go for lying. You obviously missed the part of my post

Not defending him but I wonder why Green thought the police had an agenda, having waited 9 years to get him?


Bob Quick, the ex Assistant Commissioner, is now under investigation for his breach of confidentiality and if found guilty will be punished. No system is totally lily white, but such investigations go some way to maintain the integrity of our public officials.

Regarding Vaz, yes there does seem to have been a decision made by CPS/Police not to continue the investigation although there does seem prime face evidence of an offence contrary to Misuse of Drugs Act 1971, Sect 4 (3b) as the Sunday Mirror had recordings of when the alleged offence took place.

The Parliamentary inquiry has been suspended on medical grounds, although I doubt any judge had ant input into that decision. I do have to wonder at that decision as it appears that Vaz is fit and healthy enough to play a full and active role as a Parliamentarian but is seemingly not fit enough to be investigated.

rjsterry

Ballysmate wrote:

mamba80 wrote:

Ballysmate wrote:

mamba80 wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

mamba80 wrote:

Ballysmate wrote:

The police seemed to even come out of retirement to have a go at Damian Green. Meanwhile we have Keith Vaz who it is alleged is guilty of offering to supply class A drugs to sex workers and gets a free pass. :?
Investigations into his behaviour have been suspended due to ill health. He does seem to become ill when he gets investigated, poor lamb.
Vaz appears to have bravely left his sick bed to speak in the Commons on 11 December and voted in the lobbies just before the Xmas recess. What a Trojan!
Not defending him but I wonder why Green thought the police had an agenda, having waited 9 years to get him?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... al-reasons

Keith Vaz is not a senior Government Minister found guilty of lying and strongly suspected of viewing porn at work, a instant dismissal in most work places.

Not nine years ago when he wasn't looking at it.

But he was caught lying about when and what he knew as a Gov minister.... neither you nor i know what he was viewing, but its stretching it to believe the Police would be making it all up... had he been dealt with as any you or i would, he d have been dismissed 9 years ago.

I ve been part of a team that monitors remote PCs and if we find porn, then the laptop is locked and the 99x out a 100 the employer is sacked, saying someone else viewed it, is no defence just means you left you laptop unlocked, a sackable offence....

...whereas procuring sex with the offer to to supply coke get a free pass?

More sympathy for drug supplierrs is it?

as far as i m aware, pls correct me if i m wrong, but KV has been found guilty of nothing at all..... let alone supplying coke and procuring sex, evidence please? and pass it to the Police/CPS as your civic duty.

as i said, Green, was sacked for lying to the commons, press and the PM, she sacked him, or rather forced him to resign from Gov.

KV stepped down from his post..... & imho Green should also resign as an MP and if Vas is guilty as you seem so sure he is, then he too should no longer be an MP and face criminal charges, his is certainly the most serious charge but if the CPS and presumably a judge and doctor think he cant stand trial etc, then we have to accept that or accept that the UK, & its offices of state are indeed very corrupt.

Mamba, I don't care that Green or anyone else has legal porn on his computer and accept that he had to go for lying. You obviously missed the part of my post

Not defending him but I wonder why Green thought the police had an agenda, having waited 9 years to get him?


Bob Quick, the ex Assistant Commissioner, is now under investigation for his breach of confidentiality and if found guilty will be punished. No system is totally lily white, but such investigations go some way to maintain the integrity of our public officials.

Regarding Vaz, yes there does seem to have been a decision made by CPS/Police not to continue the investigation although there does seem prime face evidence of an offence contrary to Misuse of Drugs Act 1971, Sect 4 (3b) as the Sunday Mirror had recordings of when the alleged offence took place.

The Parliamentary inquiry has been suspended on medical grounds, although I doubt any judge had ant input into that decision. I do have to wonder at that decision as it appears that Vaz is fit and healthy enough to play a full and active role as a Parliamentarian but is seemingly not fit enough to be investigated.

Agreed that Green and Quick's personal quarrels shouldn't spill into publicly revealing non-relevant details of a police investigation.

mamba80

bompington wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

bompington wrote:

Oh dear Mamba, you're showing all the classic signs of mindless tribalism. "He may be an 4rsehole but he's our 4rsehole so we have to defend him".

What "classic signs of mindless tribalism" specifically? Both Vaz and Green have resigned; it's BM who is trying to make out that Vaz should 'resign more'.

I'm not commenting on what Vaz and Green did or didn't do, only the attitude that comes through every post from Mamba of "Green's a nasty Tory so let's get him, but Vaz is one of us"

Pls dont talk more shitte than normal, i said Vaz should face criminal charges and both should resign as MPs.... what part of that is defending him...... ?????

You might not like it that Green has been forced out but he lied as a minster and as i said earlier, probably viewed porn as a shadow minister.

Vaz has yet to face due process, personally, cant stand the bloke & if he found guilty, as i said the more serious allegation, then face the consequences...

i think you are the one defending Green as one of your $rseholes :roll:

Stevo_666

bompington wrote:

Oh dear Mamba, you're showing all the classic signs of mindless tribalism. "He may be an 4rsehole but he's our 4rsehole so we have to defend him".

Not that I'm tribal at all, but that post might imply that Labour only have one ar$ehole

rick_chasey

Stevo 666 wrote:

bompington wrote:

Oh dear Mamba, you're showing all the classic signs of mindless tribalism. "He may be an 4rsehole but he's our 4rsehole so we have to defend him".

Not that I'm tribal at all,

Say what?

rjsterry

Stevo 666 wrote:

bompington wrote:

Oh dear Mamba, you're showing all the classic signs of mindless tribalism. "He may be an 4rsehole but he's our 4rsehole so we have to defend him".

Not that I'm tribal at all, but that post might imply that Labour only have one ar$ehole

I'm not sure just the one smiley is adequate for that post, Stevo.

Stevo_666

rjsterry wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

bompington wrote:

Oh dear Mamba, you're showing all the classic signs of mindless tribalism. "He may be an 4rsehole but he's our 4rsehole so we have to defend him".

Not that I'm tribal at all , but that post might imply that Labour only have one ar$ehole

I'm not sure just the one smiley is adequate for that post, Stevo.

How about this then, seeing as Santa hasn't brought some people a sense of humour for Christmas

Although to be fair, some people in the Lib Dem tribe have one

rjsterry

Well I certainly haven't got one!

surrey_commuter

Political parties are such a broad church that I don't understand the tribalism and the need to agree with everything that they do and defend every decision/policy to the death.

rolf_f

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Political parties are such a broad church that I don't understand the tribalism and the need to agree with everything that they do and defend every decision/policy to the death.

You'd make a terrible politician (and so would I, for the same reason).

surrey_commuter

Rolf F wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Political parties are such a broad church that I don't understand the tribalism and the need to agree with everything that they do and defend every decision/policy to the death.

You'd make a terrible politician (and so would I, for the same reason).

But we are talking about "supporters" of political parties. Why can they not pick and chose the policies and characters they approve of?

rick_chasey

A few interesting charts from a study into what party members think on certain policies.
http://www.qmul.ac.uk/media/news/2017/h ... rties.html

Bottom line is that Tory party members are quite apart from others, who tend to cluster together.

On brexit, for example



and some bigger issues




But the whole thing is an interesting read.

tangled_metal

That last one is interesting. Yet it was a tory government that brought in gay marriage IIRC.

BTW I like that labour strongly agree that the wealth should be fairly distributed however at the last election I believe the IFS concluded that the effects of tory and Labour manifestos would not have a significant affect on that but the LibDems manifesto would.

How true that is I don't know but it indicates labour are more than a little bit of a windbag without any effective policies to achieve the aims they mouth off about trying to get. In some ways the tories are more honest in that they don't claim to be about what their policies cannot achieve. What they believe is what they achieve, as in greater division in the wealth across the society.

Of only LibDems could get in we'd have a real labour party in power!

rjsterry

Tangled Metal wrote:

That last one is interesting. Yet it was a tory government that brought in gay marriage IIRC.

BTW I like that labour strongly agree that the wealth should be fairly distributed however at the last election I believe the IFS concluded that the effects of tory and Labour manifestos would not have a significant affect on that but the LibDems manifesto would.

How true that is I don't know but it indicates labour are more than a little bit of a windbag without any effective policies to achieve the aims they mouth off about trying to get. In some ways the tories are more honest in that they don't claim to be about what their policies cannot achieve. What they believe is what they achieve, as in greater division in the wealth across the society.

Of only LibDems could get in we'd have a real labour party in power!

Maybe that's why Cameron resigned: he realised he couldn't stand his own party.

rjsterry

Also Labour are really missing a trick with their Brexit policy, but we knew that anyway.

tangled_metal

What is their Brexit policy?