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So the proposal is for the council houses is for 25,000 homes over five years, so five thousand a year.
According to the telegraph last year, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/hou ... ve-charts/A cross-party Lords committee said in July that the UK should be building 300,000 new houses a year, which is 50pc more than the Government's target of 200,000. The supply of housing, however, falls further behind demand every year, with little sign of the disparity being arrested.
Burdensome planning regulations have been cited along with Nimbyism; Theresa May is interested in giving homeowners cash to quieten their objections to local building work.
To arrest the crisis, her Government must find a way of addressing the gulf left by the decline of local authorities' house building. In 1969-70, 135,700 homes were built by local authorities; such was the decline in state involvement in construction that councils only built 60 homes in 2001-02, with little increase since.
It will take a lot of money to bump house building up to the official target, let alone the rate recommended by the Lords. The number of houses built in 2014-15 was about 150,000, a small rise on the year before but a far cry from the 380,00-odd houses constructed in 1979-80.
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Rick Chasey wrote:So the proposal is for the council houses is for 25,000 homes over five years, so five thousand a year.
Pfft. That's a handful of projects a year. Given that 16,000 homes were sold under right to buy in 2015-16, that really is p***ing in the wind.
I suppose it was a little naive to expect anything less underwhelming.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Rick Chasey wrote:On the Tories; they’d get an absolute dicktonne of votes if they sorted out housing for under 35s; and not just tinkering with demand
Seriously. That and look at why wage growth for under 35s is so weak.
Do that and it’d be permanent landslides.
All Corbyn is good at is noticing that.
Tories can’t even do that.
We agree on something regarding the votes. A believable tory housing policy would win a huge number of young votes. However it would alienate those who currently hold a lot of wealth in housing.
The issue is not that there is enough houses, otherwise people would be living on the streets, but housing is now priced on it being an investment. With the rate of return on other investments that forces the price of housing up.
The solution is more private ownership over landlord ownership. However every solution to this causes issues as it is only lower prices that will get more people in home ownership. This contradicts every decision by either govt over the last 20 years where house prices have to be seen as always rising0 -
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Time for May to dig out Milliband's political grave stone and replace labour with conservative at the top. Try and change the date too. Job' a goodun' and Tories in for another 5 years of majority. Imagine if she'd done that at the GE!0
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Housing is now a commodity like any other with the exception that it is held by the majority of investors. Sure a government could pursue a policy of building more houses than the market can bear to reduce cost average hose prices and provide regeneration packages so great that living in the South East is a bad idea but guess what people won't vote for this. Want anymore proof then look at even the modest proposals put forward for elderly care dubbed the dementia tax in the last election.
Building more houses where they are needed will just result in more houses that are well over the earnings of your average Joe south of Birmingham and completely dismisses the NIMBY affect that any mass building scheme would unleash assuming there is even the land or infrastructure for this option. House builders are interested in profit and whether they make 1 house or 100 a year is dependant upon which is more profitable. There is no particular moral driver behind their thinking anymore than any other industry.0 -
the supply problem is a lack of will.
If they built within 1km of a station on green belt land you could build an additional 1 million homes also free up brownfield sites (high street is shrinking so providing more opps)
this has the added benefit of building homes where people want them0 -
So for all that pandering to the 'mail & express, and to a lesser extent the telegraph, they've all given May a mauling on the front pages today.0
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It seems a cough and a nutter is more relevant to voters and readers than policies. Superficially I'd agree.
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Tangled Metal wrote:It seems a cough and a nutter is more relevant to voters and readers than policies. Superficially I'd agree.
It's not like the content was massively encouraging either though.0 -
The Mail and Express are the only two that put a positive spin on things, so maybe the pandering worked.Rick Chasey wrote:So for all that pandering to the 'mail & express, and to a lesser extent the telegraph, they've all given May a mauling on the front pages today.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
I always thought Quentin Letts was a bellend but really.
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narbs wrote:I always thought Quentin Letts was a bellend but really.
They can't put together a set that doesn't fall apart or keep out people even from their own party conference.
After this, Brexit will be...0 -
I have actually got to the point where I wonder why politicians bother. Woman with a cough turn up to work instead of staying in bed she is weak. Someone hands her a P45 as a stunt and then this start literally hundreds of anti Tory/Politician/Authority rants by facebook users all claiming to have done their research. The amount of abuse from the public and general lack of thought as to why they may be making some decisions and not others is just of the scale. The media then continue to debate as to whether she will resign or not relentlessly as if it even matters in the grand scheme of things.
Sure you might not agree with the position but it seems that people have lost the plot in how to actually debate the issue. Maybe the minority that was always mental but social media has given them a platform like no period before.0 -
john80 wrote:I have actually got to the point where I wonder why politicians bother. Woman with a cough turn up to work instead of staying in bed she is weak. Someone hands her a P45 as a stunt and then this start literally hundreds of anti Tory/Politician/Authority rants by facebook users all claiming to have done their research. The amount of abuse from the public and general lack of thought as to why they may be making some decisions and not others is just of the scale. The media then continue to debate as to whether she will resign or not relentlessly as if it even matters in the grand scheme of things.
Sure you might not agree with the position but it seems that people have lost the plot in how to actually debate the issue. Maybe the minority that was always mental but social media has given them a platform like no period before.
Have been saying this for a while.
Paucity of talent in politics.
Need to be a self aggrandising, egotistical masochist in order to be a politician, who's comfortable with earning significantly less than anyone else as successful in a white collar role.0 -
john80 wrote:Sure you might not agree with the position but it seems that people have lost the plot in how to actually debate the issue. Maybe the minority that was always mental but social media has given them a platform like no period before.
Before social media, you had to actually look at the person you were insulting.0 -
KingstonGraham wrote:john80 wrote:Sure you might not agree with the position but it seems that people have lost the plot in how to actually debate the issue. Maybe the minority that was always mental but social media has given them a platform like no period before.
Before social media, you had to actually look at the person you were insulting.
Unless you wrote a column for a newspaper.
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Not easy for Hammond either.
in the FT: https://www.ft.com/content/768843e8-a83 ... 8314d2c72cPhilip Hammond is facing what officials describe as “a bloodbath” in the public finances in his Budget next month as weak economic forecasts derail the government’s plans.
As much as two-thirds of the £26bn of headroom in the public finances that the chancellor created last year as a buffer for the economy through the Brexit period is likely to be wiped out after the government’s fiscal watchdog concludes its forecasts for growth have been too optimistic.
The Office for Budget Responsibility will publish on Tuesday a new analysis suggesting it has persistently over-estimated Britain’s productivity over the past seven years and will give a broad hint that it will rectify the situation with a more pessimistic Budget forecast.
Slower growth in the forecast will limit deficit reduction and cut the size of the war chest that Mr Hammond put aside to smooth the Brexit transition. This leaves him in an awkward position politically, since he is under increasing pressure to end the austerity cap on public pay, lower the burden of debt on students and build houses.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:john80 wrote:I have actually got to the point where I wonder why politicians bother. Woman with a cough turn up to work instead of staying in bed she is weak. Someone hands her a P45 as a stunt and then this start literally hundreds of anti Tory/Politician/Authority rants by facebook users all claiming to have done their research. The amount of abuse from the public and general lack of thought as to why they may be making some decisions and not others is just of the scale. The media then continue to debate as to whether she will resign or not relentlessly as if it even matters in the grand scheme of things.
Sure you might not agree with the position but it seems that people have lost the plot in how to actually debate the issue. Maybe the minority that was always mental but social media has given them a platform like no period before.
Have been saying this for a while.
Paucity of talent in politics.
Need to be a self aggrandising, egotistical masochist in order to be a politician, who's comfortable with earning significantly less than anyone else as successful in a white collar role.
I don't think the pay is the issue.
Outside of the very highest flying white collar roles, politicians pay isn't that bad is it?You live and learn. At any rate, you live0 -
Jez mon wrote:I don't think the pay is the issue.
Outside of the very highest flying white collar roles, politicians pay isn't that bad is it?
MP gets £74,000.
Ministers get £96,000, Cabinet Minsters get £141,000.
Once you get to the Cabinet level, you are into the same salary bracket as a director of a not massive company.0 -
Jez mon wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:john80 wrote:I have actually got to the point where I wonder why politicians bother. Woman with a cough turn up to work instead of staying in bed she is weak. Someone hands her a P45 as a stunt and then this start literally hundreds of anti Tory/Politician/Authority rants by facebook users all claiming to have done their research. The amount of abuse from the public and general lack of thought as to why they may be making some decisions and not others is just of the scale. The media then continue to debate as to whether she will resign or not relentlessly as if it even matters in the grand scheme of things.
Sure you might not agree with the position but it seems that people have lost the plot in how to actually debate the issue. Maybe the minority that was always mental but social media has given them a platform like no period before.
Have been saying this for a while.
Paucity of talent in politics.
Need to be a self aggrandising, egotistical masochist in order to be a politician, who's comfortable with earning significantly less than anyone else as successful in a white collar role.
I don't think the pay is the issue.
Outside of the very highest flying white collar roles, politicians pay isn't that bad is it?
It is for the pinnacle of a career.
I know many sub 35s who earn more than May.
Let’s be clear, these ARE high flying roles.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Jez mon wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:john80 wrote:I have actually got to the point where I wonder why politicians bother. Woman with a cough turn up to work instead of staying in bed she is weak. Someone hands her a P45 as a stunt and then this start literally hundreds of anti Tory/Politician/Authority rants by facebook users all claiming to have done their research. The amount of abuse from the public and general lack of thought as to why they may be making some decisions and not others is just of the scale. The media then continue to debate as to whether she will resign or not relentlessly as if it even matters in the grand scheme of things.
Sure you might not agree with the position but it seems that people have lost the plot in how to actually debate the issue. Maybe the minority that was always mental but social media has given them a platform like no period before.
Have been saying this for a while.
Paucity of talent in politics.
Need to be a self aggrandising, egotistical masochist in order to be a politician, who's comfortable with earning significantly less than anyone else as successful in a white collar role.
I don't think the pay is the issue.
Outside of the very highest flying white collar roles, politicians pay isn't that bad is it?
It is for the pinnacle of a career.
I know many sub 35s who earn more than May.
Let’s be clear, these ARE high flying roles.
Boris was earning £250k as a weekly columnist for the DT.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Jez mon wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:john80 wrote:I have actually got to the point where I wonder why politicians bother. Woman with a cough turn up to work instead of staying in bed she is weak. Someone hands her a P45 as a stunt and then this start literally hundreds of anti Tory/Politician/Authority rants by facebook users all claiming to have done their research. The amount of abuse from the public and general lack of thought as to why they may be making some decisions and not others is just of the scale. The media then continue to debate as to whether she will resign or not relentlessly as if it even matters in the grand scheme of things.
Sure you might not agree with the position but it seems that people have lost the plot in how to actually debate the issue. Maybe the minority that was always mental but social media has given them a platform like no period before.
Have been saying this for a while.
Paucity of talent in politics.
Need to be a self aggrandising, egotistical masochist in order to be a politician, who's comfortable with earning significantly less than anyone else as successful in a white collar role.
I don't think the pay is the issue.
Outside of the very highest flying white collar roles, politicians pay isn't that bad is it?
It is for the pinnacle of a career.
I know many sub 35s who earn more than May.
Let’s be clear, these ARE high flying roles.
Possibly your job gives you a slightly skewed view.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
rjsterry wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Jez mon wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:john80 wrote:I have actually got to the point where I wonder why politicians bother. Woman with a cough turn up to work instead of staying in bed she is weak. Someone hands her a P45 as a stunt and then this start literally hundreds of anti Tory/Politician/Authority rants by facebook users all claiming to have done their research. The amount of abuse from the public and general lack of thought as to why they may be making some decisions and not others is just of the scale. The media then continue to debate as to whether she will resign or not relentlessly as if it even matters in the grand scheme of things.
Sure you might not agree with the position but it seems that people have lost the plot in how to actually debate the issue. Maybe the minority that was always mental but social media has given them a platform like no period before.
Have been saying this for a while.
Paucity of talent in politics.
Need to be a self aggrandising, egotistical masochist in order to be a politician, who's comfortable with earning significantly less than anyone else as successful in a white collar role.
I don't think the pay is the issue.
Outside of the very highest flying white collar roles, politicians pay isn't that bad is it?
It is for the pinnacle of a career.
I know many sub 35s who earn more than May.
Let’s be clear, these ARE high flying roles.
Possibly your job gives you a slightly skewed view.
I think you might be right. I don't know anyone who earns more than May of any age! Or of anyone in our organisation who earns that much. And for my role, as a tech expert of sorts, I am a £5k pay rise away from the pinnacle of my career (I may never get that pay rise either) and it is a bloody long way off an MPs pay!Faster than a tent.......0 -
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Rick Chasey wrote:rjsterry wrote:
Possibly your job gives you a slightly skewed view.
Of course, but by the same token, I have a pretty good idea of what people are paid at various levels across the City.
I have met dozens if not hundreds of average people who earn more than May in a year.
Most MPs aren't based in that London though so you need to compare their salary against what they'd earn in the sticks. It's a lot less.Faster than a tent.......0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:rjsterry wrote:
Possibly your job gives you a slightly skewed view.
Of course, but by the same token, I have a pretty good idea of what people are paid at various levels across the City.
I have met dozens if not hundreds of average people who earn more than May in a year.
A reflection that those people are overpaid, not that MPs are underpaid?You live and learn. At any rate, you live0 -
Rolf F wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:rjsterry wrote:
Possibly your job gives you a slightly skewed view.
Of course, but by the same token, I have a pretty good idea of what people are paid at various levels across the City.
I have met dozens if not hundreds of average people who earn more than May in a year.
Most MPs aren't based in that London though so you need to compare their salary against what they'd earn in the sticks. It's a lot less.
They are in London!
Isn't hat half the argument? That they're all too London-centric 'cos they get given a place in London?
Point is, for someone at the top of a pretty big game, £150k really isn't much. This is amply demonstrated by the amounts they earn immediately before and after being an MP. Majority of cabinet leaders immediately trouser a shedload more.
Osbourne gets £650k for 60 days work FFS. Now THAT is top of your game money.0
