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surrey_commuter

Stevo 666 wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

If graphical representations of economics is the kind of thing that stirs you, you might like the source of that map.

http://www.economicsinpictures.com/

Looks interesting. Will have more of a look later when I haven't just got the phone with me.

to keep it in one place this site is brilliant for data - it will let you do block graphs
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/indicators

Thanks SC.

I have used that site for info when arguing some of the points on this and the Brexit thread but probably have not appreciated the full extent of what it has.

I am staggered it is free

Stevo_666

The near 4% pay rise demand from public sector unions is looking a bit optimistic, or maybe it is a union attempt to engineer a dispute?

The fact that one of the most influential union leaders in the country has just declared himself above the law in relation to strikes is slightly concerning, especially as the prospect of coordinated strike action now appears to be on the cards;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/12/len-mccluskey-backs-illegal-strike-action-public-sector-pay/

rick_chasey

He feels he can say that because of the gov't weak position.

Tories have already been defeated during opposition day on pay sector increases due to DUP not playing ball.

Stevo_666

Rick Chasey wrote:

He feels he can say that because of the gov't weak position.

Tories have already been defeated during opposition day on pay sector increases due to DUP not playing ball.

It will be interesting to see whether other union leaders go along with him. Or indeed whether McCluskey bottles it or not.

Stevo_666

Well Big Len has seen some sense, just a pity Corbyn and McDonnell have taken up the hard left baton on strikes:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/24/corbyn-refuses-to-rule-out-backing-strikes-deemed-illegal-under-trade-union-act

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/labours-john-mcdonnell-clashes-with-piers-morgan-over-illegal-strikes-a3642916.html

Stevo_666

And now, renationalisation of large swathes of Bristish industry (which we knew about) - but shareholders will not be paid the market rate according to McDonnell.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-41394585

But don't worry, it'll only cost a few hundred billion even at these enforced reduced prices and will massively deter private investment.

tangled_metal

You talking about PFI the great blairite swindle? You know, tory idea but Blair implemented cock up! I wish the Corbynistas luck with that one.

BTW when should we be calling them McDonnellistas? I mean it just seems him or Ken are the real power behind the throne to me. It's like Corbyn is the nice but Leftie uncle that kind of charms you round a little, but waiting in the wings is the big, nasty hardliner socialist to take over when in number 10. I mean all those nice, impressionable Corbynistas, when will they find out they've been had by the nutters behind Corbyn?

Unfair?

One name, McClusky! Look to the shadows, he's there dressed in black with the strings.

Stevo_666

Tangled Metal wrote:

You talking about PFI the great blairite swindle? You know, tory idea but Blair implemented fool up! I wish the Corbynistas luck with that one.

BTW when should we be calling them McDonnellistas? I mean it just seems him or Ken are the real power behind the throne to me. It's like Corbyn is the nice but Leftie uncle that kind of charms you round a little, but waiting in the wings is the big, nasty hardliner socialist to take over when in number 10. I mean all those nice, impressionable Corbynistas, when will they find out they've been had by the nutters behind Corbyn?

Unfair?

One name, McClusky! Look to the shadows, he's there dressed in black with the strings.

PFI is is on top of that. I mean nationalisation of energy, utilities, post, rail etc.

Agree that Corbyn is the more pleasant face of New Old Labour.

tangled_metal

Like Janus new old labour have two faces, Corbyn and... Seriously! It worries me who could be coming after Corbyn. If they ever get into power.

On a more pleasing note for a rightie, I listened to a socialist getting skewered over her previous support for Venezuelan socialism on radio 4. She sounded American but that can't be. I mean I reckon I'd class as a socialist in America and she was left of me by some margin.

Still it's all good listening to a good socialist squirming over the fact you can't support an oppressor of their own ppl but as one of the few socialist states to survive you can't criticize Venezuelan leaders neither. She got splinters squirming away on the fence. I'm looking forward to the day former Corbynistas squirm about their support of him. It'll happen!

rjsterry

Tangled Metal wrote:

Like Janus new old labour have two faces, Corbyn and... Seriously! It worries me who could be coming after Corbyn. If they ever get into power.

On a more pleasing note for a rightie, I listened to a socialist getting skewered over her previous support for Venezuelan socialism on radio 4. She sounded American but that can't be. I mean I reckon I'd class as a socialist in America and she was left of me by some margin.

Still it's all good listening to a good socialist squirming over the fact you can't support an oppressor of their own ppl but as one of the few socialist states to survive you can't criticize Venezuelan leaders neither. She got splinters squirming away on the fence. I'm looking forward to the day former Corbynistas squirm about their support of him. It'll happen!

That would be Naomi Klein. It briefly looked as though Chavez might have been on to something, so you can understand why a lot of left leaning commentators got excited about it. It's not fashionable to admit you got things wrong these days, which is a shame as there's far more to learn. When things more or less work everyone wants to credit it to their own genius rather than working out what happened.

rjsterry

When it comes to fence-sitting, Labour's position on Brexit really takes the biscuit. No red lines, not even a basic preference and no-one allowed to talk about it. At least TM is pretending her cabinet have agreed a negotiating position.

rick_chasey

rjsterry wrote:

When it comes to fence-sitting, Labour's position on Brexit really takes the biscuit. No red lines, not even a basic preference and no-one allowed to talk about it. At least TM is pretending her cabinet have agreed a negotiating position.

It's an absolute joke.

Do struggle to think they would do any better re Brexit.

surrey_commuter

Tangled Metal wrote:

Like Janus new old labour have two faces, Corbyn and... Seriously! It worries me who could be coming after Corbyn. If they ever get into power.

On a more pleasing note for a rightie, I listened to a socialist getting skewered over her previous support for Venezuelan socialism on radio 4. She sounded American but that can't be. I mean I reckon I'd class as a socialist in America and she was left of me by some margin.

Still it's all good listening to a good socialist squirming over the fact you can't support an oppressor of their own ppl but as one of the few socialist states to survive you can't criticize Venezuelan leaders neither. She got splinters squirming away on the fence. I'm looking forward to the day former Corbynistas squirm about their support of him. It'll happen!

you would have thought the likes of Sadiq Khan would have enough time to regret getting him on the ballot
what about people who voted for him, for non valid reasons, in the ballot of members?

I am guessing it is a fvck up of such monumental proportions that they can not face up to it

tangled_metal

Are there any parallels between Corbyn and Chavez?
Albeit weak ones?

What I mean, they are socialists with a kind of cult persona going on among a certain demographic (not necessarily the same demographic). They're also promising a lot and are somehow being successful probably through luck. With Chavez it was due to the high fossil fuel prices. Corbyn's lucky because of TM's incompetence at the GE. Am I clutching at straws here? It's just an idea

rick_chasey

Hang on.

So at Labour's conference, they won't discuss Brexit, the BBC journo covering it needs a bodyguard, and now the Brighton pavilion is considering permanently refusing to host it in future over how anti Semitic it had become.

Stevo_666

Rick Chasey wrote:

Hang on.

So at Labour's conference, they won't discuss Brexit, the BBC journo covering it needs a bodyguard, and now the Brighton pavilion is considering permanently refusing to host it in future over how anti Semitic it had become.

You sound surprised.

The surprising thing is that Corbyn's stock still seems to be high despite all of this.

slowmart

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Hang on.

So at Labour's conference, they won't discuss Brexit, the BBC journo covering it needs a bodyguard, and now the Brighton pavilion is considering permanently refusing to host it in future over how anti Semitic it had become.

You sound surprised.

The surprising thing is that Corbyn's stock still seems to be high despite all of this.

It helps amplify Labours positives with the Tories seemingly incompetent, self serving and unelectable.

Stevo_666

Slowmart wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Hang on.

So at Labour's conference, they won't discuss Brexit, the BBC journo covering it needs a bodyguard, and now the Brighton pavilion is considering permanently refusing to host it in future over how anti Semitic it had become.

You sound surprised.

The surprising thing is that Corbyn's stock still seems to be high despite all of this.

It helps amplify Labours positives with the Tories seemingly incompetent, self serving and unelectable.

Except that they have been elected...the unelectables are in Brighton.

slowmart

The Tories have lost direction and have internal fractures which need resolution and will require some bloodletting. Is should make interesting viewing though.

The thing is though I can see Labour winning the next election or at least forming a coalition.

rick_chasey

It's just such a shameful state of politics if this is the only realistic option to "citizen of nowhere" Maybot.

I mean, christ.

British politics is at a very low ebb.

Feels like all the talent had been hounded out.

tangled_metal

We get the politicians we deserve!

A saying I heard once.

Jeez! We did something very bad as a nation I reckon. I wondering if America will give me a green card. It's beginning to look better despite trump!

Stevo_666

Rick Chasey wrote:

It's just such a shameful state of politics if this is the only realistic option to "citizen of nowhere" Maybot.

I mean, christ.

British politics is at a very low ebb.

Feels like all the talent had been hounded out.

I thought you were very active in politics Rick?

rick_chasey

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

It's just such a shameful state of politics if this is the only realistic option to "citizen of nowhere" Maybot.

I mean, christ.

British politics is at a very low ebb.

Feels like all the talent had been hounded out.

I thought you were very active in politics Rick?

I would never stand as an MP.

A) few people like me; this is not a vote winner, nor a way to get party backing

the level of scrutiny and day-to-day hostility to both me and my family would be far too much.

C) I don't think I would be very effective even if A & B were false.

rick_chasey

So BBC press office being bounced into denials of total BS as labour activists are circulating total BS that Laura Kunsberg is giving a speech at the Tory party conference.


What the hell is going on in the U.K.?

Is this the culmination of FPTP politics?

Both sides in f*cking cuckoo land, slandering each other with make believe bullshit?

narbs

Rick Chasey wrote:

So BBC press office being bounced into denials of total BS as labour activists are circulating total BS that Laura Kunsberg is giving a speech at the Tory party conference.


What the hell is going on in the U.K.?

Is this the culmination of FPTP politics?

Both sides in f*cking cuckoo land, slandering each other with make believe bullshit?

As we've seen in the last 18 months, make believe bullshit is far more effective than people thought it could be.

rick_chasey

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/ ... 0926136453

feelgoodlost

Rick Chasey wrote:

So BBC press office being bounced into denials of total BS as labour activists are circulating total BS that Laura Kunsberg is giving a speech at the Tory party conference.


What the hell is going on in the U.K.?

Is this the culmination of FPTP politics?

Both sides in f*cking cuckoo land, slandering each other with make believe bullshit?

Didn't the story originally come from The Canary, and not from Labour activists, as you seem to be suggesting?

rick_chasey

Same thing isn't it?

And the activists in my constituency were the ones who are retweeting it etc.

feelgoodlost

Rick Chasey wrote:

Same thing isn't it?

And the activists in my constituency were the ones who are retweeting it etc.

Well no, not really.... and from what I can see, the article has been challenged by both sides. It's a bullshit story being called out as such by most level headed folk.

surrey_commuter

feelgoodlost wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Same thing isn't it?

And the activists in my constituency were the ones who are retweeting it etc.

Well no, not really.... and from what I can see, the article has been challenged by both sides. It's a bullshit story being called out as such by most level headed folk.

definitely on the Canary

https://www.thecanary.co/uk/2017/09/27/ ... onference/