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rolf_f

The Tories should be talking to the Lib Dems. The price would be incredibly high given how they got screwed last time but that would be the price they would have to pay - it would still be a far, far lower price than going in with a load of 13th Century terrorist nutcases.

FocusZing

Morning Comrades. The Libdems were pretty categoric no Tory coalition.

rolf_f

FocusZing wrote:

Morning Comrades. The Libdems were pretty categoric no Tory coalition.

Yes, but they probably have a price - as I say, probably a very high one. But as the DUP are a clearly utterly and totally unsuitable choice that no sane Govt would even contemplate working with, there isn't much choice.

bianchimoon

They have 'jumped into bed' with a bunch of lunatics, of that there's no doubt...

What on earth were the DUP thinking?

FocusZing

Ha. I was thinking that last night with all the neg press they have been getting.

kingstongraham

Ben6899 wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Ben6899 wrote:

bompington wrote:

2. It's using terms liking "jumping into bed with" that betray the hysteria. They're not jumping into bed, they're attempting to negotiate a political deal.

Please. They [the Tories] asked the only party that fits the bill (one that would agree to it!) In no other circumstances would the Tories enter into an agreement with the DUP; they've only done it to suit their end. If that's not 'jumping into bed' with the DUP, then I don't know what is.

I think the phrase is apt, but not for those reasons. Saying that they wouldn't have done a deal if they didn't have to, therefore there is something wrong with the deal is bad logic.

However, they have announced a deal with the DUP without doing any of the courtship and finding out what the other side wants from the relationship.

The deal is bad because it's bad; not because it wouldn't have happened under other circumstances.

The DUP ffs. Religious, regressive maniacs.

Can you not see it in what you are typing?

pblakeney

Are the Tories not simply the acceptable face of the DUP anyway?
Just kidding. Maybe.

Stevo_666

Pinno wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Pinno wrote:

Stevo probably thinks he won on penalties.

He's right. But the team captain/star player broke both legs in the process.

...and resultant transfers/sackings/resignations and the team that remains have little resemblance to the one that won on penalties.
Does Captain Stevo think that Boris will be a better PM than Jezza?!

Imagine: Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeers's Trumpy!
...and: Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer's BoJo. Yay! Plenty of fodder for HIGNFY. Maybe they should bring Punch magazine and Spitting image back.

At least you have worked out who won the election, unlike some on here

If you're comparing Boris with Jezza then you have to look at the party and the policies behind each so that's an easy one to answer. However, I think the leadership question may not be an immediate one even if if it is now on the cards at some point in the not too distant future. The conservatives have a good survival instinct.

pblakeney

Stevo 666 wrote:

If you're comparing Boris with Jezza then you have to look at the party and the policies behind each so that's an easy one to answer. However, I think the leadership question may not be an immediate one even if if it is now on the cards at some point in the not too distant future. The conservatives have a good survival instinct.

The most subtle admission of things going pear shaped.

rick_chasey

So, Stevo, where have your fellow Tories planted the magic money tree?

Stevo_666

PBlakeney wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

If you're comparing Boris with Jezza then you have to look at the party and the policies behind each so that's an easy one to answer. However, I think the leadership question may not be an immediate one even if if it is now on the cards at some point in the not too distant future. The conservatives have a good survival instinct.

The most subtle admission of things going pear shaped.

Possibly for May. Otherwise no.

pblakeney

Stevo 666 wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

If you're comparing Boris with Jezza then you have to look at the party and the policies behind each so that's an easy one to answer. However, I think the leadership question may not be an immediate one even if if it is now on the cards at some point in the not too distant future. The conservatives have a good survival instinct.

The most subtle admission of things going pear shaped.

Possibly for May. Otherwise no.

I am thinking of a river. Which one?

kingstongraham

Stevo 666 wrote:

At least you have worked out who won the election, unlike some on here

I'm struggling. It can't be the party that had a majority and then lost it.

I think it might be Lord Buckethead. He got a trip to New York out of it.

bianchimoon

PBlakeney wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

If you're comparing Boris with Jezza then you have to look at the party and the policies behind each so that's an easy one to answer. However, I think the leadership question may not be an immediate one even if if it is now on the cards at some point in the not too distant future. The conservatives have a good survival instinct.

The most subtle admission of things going pear shaped.

Possibly for May. Otherwise no.

I am thinking of a river. Which one?

^

it's not a magic 'money tree' someone needs, it's a magic 'take me back in time and delete a thread' tree

Stevo_666

KingstonGraham wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

At least you have worked out who won the election, unlike some on here

I'm struggling. It can't be the party that had a majority and then lost it.

I think it might be Lord Buckethead. He got a trip to New York out of it.

Think of it in terms of the party that is occupying Number 10

Stevo_666

bianchimoon wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

If you're comparing Boris with Jezza then you have to look at the party and the policies behind each so that's an easy one to answer. However, I think the leadership question may not be an immediate one even if if it is now on the cards at some point in the not too distant future. The conservatives have a good survival instinct.

The most subtle admission of things going pear shaped.

Possibly for May. Otherwise no.

I am thinking of a river. Which one?

^

it's not a magic 'money tree' someone needs, it's a magic 'take me back in time and delete a thread' tree

So many losers claiming wins

kingstongraham

Stevo 666 wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

At least you have worked out who won the election, unlike some on here

I'm struggling. It can't be the party that had a majority and then lost it.

I think it might be Lord Buckethead. He got a trip to New York out of it.

Think of it in terms of the party that is occupying Number 10

Got you. It's Arlene.

veronese68

Stevo 666 wrote:

So many losers claiming wins

I think that's their point as well.
Reality is everybody lost. When the government should have been thinking about negotiating with the EU they've been preoccupied with trying to increase their grip on power. A massive misjudgement which has now put things back even further. There are no winners in this, at least not in this country. The Conservative party should be ashamed of themselves, they really have made a sow's ear out of their silk purse.

Jez mon

Veronese68 wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

So many losers claiming wins

I think that's their point as well.
Reality is everybody lost. When the government should have been thinking about negotiating with the EU they've been preoccupied with trying to increase their grip on power. A massive misjudgement which has now put things back even further. There are no winners in this, at least not in this country. The Conservative party should be ashamed of themselves, they really have made a sow's ear out of their silk purse.

If you favour an end to hard line austerity, but are worried about Labour being too socialist, then maybe this counts as a win...

Long term the conservatives might try to be less crap.

rjsterry

Stevo 666 wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

At least you have worked out who won the election, unlike some on here

I'm struggling. It can't be the party that had a majority and then lost it.

I think it might be Lord Buckethead. He got a trip to New York out of it.

Think of it in terms of the party that is occupying Number 10

Which is now falling over itself to adopt other parties' policies like a less rigid approach to Brexit, relieving austerity and ending the public sector pay freeze, keeping the pension triple lock, rethinking social care funding.

I'm not sure where they are going to find the money that 1 week ago they were absolutely certain the other parties couldn't find, but they're a resourceful lot. I'm sure they'll think of something

kingstongraham

I assume higher taxes. That was the only option a week ago.

kingstongraham

To be fair to the Conservatives, they did say that the only alternative to a Conservative win was a coalition of chaos. Promise made, promise kept.

veronese68

Jez mon wrote:

Long term the conservatives might try to be less crap.

I think this is the best we can hope for at the moment. One of my main concerns was the way they were plunging blindly into a no deal situation. Hopefully this will be tempered somewhat. They've already backtracked on a couple of other points, hopefully more to come.

rick_chasey

In fairness, at least May is realistic enough to suggest that she did indeed, create a mess.

One day, Stevo will come to the same conclusion....publicly.

coopster_the_1st

rjsterry wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

At least you have worked out who won the election, unlike some on here

I'm struggling. It can't be the party that had a majority and then lost it.

I think it might be Lord Buckethead. He got a trip to New York out of it.

Think of it in terms of the party that is occupying Number 10

Which is now falling over itself to adopt other parties' policies like a less rigid approach to Brexit, relieving austerity and ending the public sector pay freeze, keeping the pension triple lock, rethinking social care funding.

I'm not sure where they are going to find the money that 1 week ago they were absolutely certain the other parties couldn't find, but they're a resourceful lot. I'm sure they'll think of something

It will be funded by debt and that can will just be kicked further down the road.

The electorate, both young and old rejected responsible management of the country's finances and sensible solutions to looming issues e.g. elderly care costs and ever increasing pension commitments.

The tories are now responding to that threat to losing power with similar policies.

At some point this will correct. I just hope that the burden falls on a labour govt to implement sensible financial management* to resolve it so that they learn you cannot bribe and spend your way out of debt.

*Not that I think they can ever be trusted to do this

Stevo_666

KingstonGraham wrote:

To be fair to the Conservatives, they did say that the only alternative to a Conservative win was a coalition of chaos. Promise made, promise kept.

If you think a Corbyn government is a good idea...

Stevo_666

Coopster the 1st wrote:

At some point this will correct. I just hope that the burden falls on a labour govt to implement sensible financial management to resolve it so that they learn you cannot bribe and spend your way out of debt.

The problem though is that lefties don't learn.

Add to that, younger voters weren't around when the last properly left wing Labour govt completely ballsed it up - ended up at the IMF, 25% inflation, strikes being the norm etc - so can't really appreciate how much damage a Corbyn led socialist Labour government would be likely to do.

meursault

Stevo 666 wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

At some point this will correct. I just hope that the burden falls on a labour govt to implement sensible financial management to resolve it so that they learn you cannot bribe and spend your way out of debt.

The problem though is that lefties don't learn.

Add to that, younger voters weren't around when the last properly left wing Labour govt completely ballsed it up - ended up at the IMF, 25% inflation, strikes being the norm etc - so can't really appreciate how much damage a Corbyn led socialist Labour government would be likely to do.

That really isn't the problem though is it?

let's see how the loyalist paraservatives do, shall we?

kingstongraham

Stevo 666 wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

To be fair to the Conservatives, they did say that the only alternative to a Conservative win was a coalition of chaos. Promise made, promise kept.

If you think a Corbyn government is a good idea...

I'm not the one who voted for him!

mamba80

Stevo 666 wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

At some point this will correct. I just hope that the burden falls on a labour govt to implement sensible financial management to resolve it so that they learn you cannot bribe and spend your way out of debt.

The problem though is that lefties don't learn.

Add to that, younger voters weren't around when the last properly left wing Labour govt completely ballsed it up - ended up at the IMF, 25% inflation, strikes being the norm etc - so can't really appreciate how much damage a Corbyn led socialist Labour government would be likely to do.

even the IFS have said that JC plans are not that radical when compared to mainland europe and as May is promising to fund new spend in NI.....btw what do you think of that?

but the point here is Stevo is 7 years of austerity have not worked at all and the electorate have rejected her polcies, indeed May has rejected her policies lol!