BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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ukiboy wrote:Crickey!! A tad alarmist I think! Comparing 2016 Britain to 1930's Deutschland?!
It's hardly the Horst Wessel Lied song!
It's just Godwin's law.0 -
As a self confessed economic migrant myself, and one who definitely feels this weekend a stranger in a strange land, I'm waiting (hoping?) for some racist little twunt to have a go at me.
Trouble is, I'm 6'4", only lightly tanned and right now have a seriously bad attitude. I'm thinking I'll need a salwar kameez before I see much action.0 -
Nice! Well done Loon! You're basically inciting someone to have a go and you'd be glad to take part in violence.Outside the rat race and proud of it0
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Let's play spot the incitement then shall we?
However if some RLT wants some...
Maybe I should just print up a T-shirt or 2, or maybe get some laminated cards run off to leave about the place. You know, near any house sporting a UKIP poster, or a Vote Leave banner. You know the sort of thing, call it reverse Polearity if you like.
I just love a coherent sophisticated society don't you?0 -
Sadly, the "winners" have a bunch of racists in their number. I have seen this over the past weekend with friends and family who voted leave. Are they racist? Maybe some are, maybe some aren't. I couldn't really give a toss. But like UKIP insisting there is no place for racism in their party, I remain unconvinced. Lots of people voted leave for all sorts of reasons, I'm sure. But every time I hear a leaver spouting off about "getting their country back" there will be a bit of my tiny brain thinking "bigot".ukiboy wrote:Nice! Well done Loon! You're basically inciting someone to have a go and you'd be glad to take part in violence.Ecrasez l’infame0 -
The tossers who printed laminated cards and left them in areas where Polish people would see them are scum. Pure and simple.
What I find difficult to accept is the assumption that somehow everyone who voted leave is a knuckle dragging racist.
I voted leave and both my parents were born east of the iron curtain many many years ago.
I fully support a robust and thorough immigration policy that checks and checks again any and all applicants to this country. Not racist, just common sense.Outside the rat race and proud of it0 -
ukiboy wrote:The tossers who printed laminated cards and left them in areas where Polish people would see them are scum. Pure and simple.
What I find difficult to accept is the assumption that somehow everyone who voted leave is a knuckle dragging racist.
I voted leave and both my parents were born east of the iron curtain many many years ago.
I fully support a robust and thorough immigration policy that checks and checks again any and all applicants to this country. Not racist, just common sense.
Why second generation immigrants are more anti-immigration is the great unasked question. I Know you can not answer for millions of people but why do you think that is?0 -
Maybe because we (and our parents) were happy to fully integrate into British society.
New Labour (as Andrew Nether, advisor to cabinet members stated), decided to change the make up of British society forever and 'rub the rights noses in diversity'.
I have seen my home town change beyond all recognition in the years 2000- the present.
Thanks New Labour!
That's not racist or bigoted, that's just common sense and a sadness that what was once a beautiful town has been changed beyond all recognition. Walking down my High Street and seeing every shop front displaying a sign in a foreign language is not a positive thing IMHO.Outside the rat race and proud of it0 -
And this, amongst other issues, is why the UK voted to leave the EU..Outside the rat race and proud of it0
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It looks like news is leaking out that Vote Leave do not have a plan...Ffs they had at two decades to think about this.
so in 2.5 days they have admitted lying about the £18bn, controlling immigration and being confident that the experts were wrong and everything would be alright0 -
Leaking? It's been painfully obvious for months for many. All the debates being full of nothing buy catchphrases should have been the biggest giveaway.0
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In more than two decades the EU acolytes had no plan, other than greasing the path for the riders of the EU gravy express. Ive not heard anything from the Kinnocks lately..Outside the rat race and proud of it0
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ukiboy wrote:Maybe because we (and our parents) were happy to fully integrate into British society.
New Labour (as Andrew Nether, advisor to cabinet members stated), decided to change the make up of British society forever and 'rub the rights noses in diversity'.
I have seen my home town change beyond all recognition in the years 2000- the present.
Thanks New Labour!
That's not racist or bigoted, that's just common sense and a sadness that what was once a beautiful town has been changed beyond all recognition. Walking down my High Street and seeing every shop front displaying a sign in a foreign language is not a positive thing IMHO.
I would not argue against the need for integration. To rephrase my question, previous generations of Brits gave a warm welcome to your parents and now you feel stronger than much of the indigenous population about your sense of Britishness. Why is that? I would instinctively expect immigrants to want to offer the same opportunities to the next wave.0 -
ukiboy wrote:Maybe because we (and our parents) were happy to fully integrate into British society.
New Labour (as Andrew Nether, advisor to cabinet members stated), decided to change the make up of British society forever and 'rub the rights noses in diversity'.
I have seen my home town change beyond all recognition in the years 2000- the present.
Thanks New Labour!
That's not racist or bigoted, that's just common sense and a sadness that what was once a beautiful town has been changed beyond all recognition. Walking down my High Street and seeing every shop front displaying a sign in a foreign language is not a positive thing IMHO.
Times change, things change. Kings road round where I live was once the epicentre of punk. Now you have to count with two hands how many ferraris you see heading down it when you go shopping.
That you don't like foreign shops on your street is bigoted. You'll just have to get over that, or accept you are.0 -
For those (including me) who are ignorant, can you post a link. And I reserve the right to use it as my own later..TheBigBean wrote:ukiboy wrote:Crickey!! A tad alarmist I think! Comparing 2016 Britain to 1930's Deutschland?!
It's hardly the Horst Wessel Lied song!
It's just Godwin's law.Fitter....healthier....more productive.....0 -
verylonglegs wrote:Leaking? It's been painfully obvious for months for many. All the debates being full of nothing buy catchphrases should have been the biggest giveaway.
They are now coming clean... I am now thoroughly discombobulated
should I laugh or cry?
Did Cameron know - does him resigning make him a comedy genius or an even bigger cunt than I thought?
Is it wrong to hope Boris get strung up from a lamppost?
Although I voted Remain why do I feel stupid today than I did Thursday?0 -
ukiboy wrote:In more than two decades the EU acolytes had no plan, other than greasing the path for the riders of the EU gravy express. Ive not heard anything from the Kinnocks lately..
The plan was to be a member of the world's largest trade bloc and to work within it to maximise the benefits to us.
That has to be leaving and literally hoping for the best.0 -
4kicks wrote:
For those (including me) who are ignorant, can you post a link. And I reserve the right to use it as my own later..TheBigBean wrote:ukiboy wrote:Crickey!! A tad alarmist I think! Comparing 2016 Britain to 1930's Deutschland?!
It's hardly the Horst Wessel Lied song!
It's just Godwin's law.
Godwins Law states that if any online debate goes on for long enough somebody will invoke the Nazi's0 -
Cameron lost, so he had to walk. I thought he should go straight away, but more and more I think leaving this three months is a canny move. Someone else has to do the crappy bit, I wonder who fancies that job?Surrey Commuter wrote:verylonglegs wrote:Leaking? It's been painfully obvious for months for many. All the debates being full of nothing buy catchphrases should have been the biggest giveaway.
They are now coming clean... I am now thoroughly discombobulated
should I laugh or cry?
Did Cameron know - does him resigning make him a comedy genius or an even bigger **** than I thought?
Is it wrong to hope Boris get strung up from a lamppost?
Although I voted Remain why do I feel stupid today than I did Thursday?Ecrasez l’infame0 -
IDS is still perpetuating the lie about the money paid to the EU, whilst trying to deny his part in the NHS 'promise' (that we all knew never was...)Surrey Commuter wrote:It looks like news is leaking out that Vote Leave do not have a plan...Ffs they had at two decades to think about this.
so in 2.5 days they have admitted lying about the £18bn, controlling immigration and being confident that the experts were wrong and everything would be alright
"Speaking to the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show, he said: “I never said that during the course of the election. The £350m was an extrapolation of the £19.1bn – that’s the total amount of money we gave across to the European Union. What we actually said was a significant amount of it would go to the NHS. It’s essentially down to the government, but I believe that is what was pledged and that’s what should happen. There was talk about it going to the NHS, but there are other bits and pieces like agriculture, which is part of the process. That is the divide up. It was never the total.”
He denied that his comments constituted a broken promise, saying: “The lion’s share of that money, the government is now able to spend. So people can say that there is more money available now for the NHS – categorically more, which is what’s required and that’s the key point.”0 -
briantrumpet wrote:
IDS is still perpetuating the lie about the money paid to the EU, whilst trying to deny his part in the NHS 'promise' (that we all knew never was...)Surrey Commuter wrote:It looks like news is leaking out that Vote Leave do not have a plan...Ffs they had at two decades to think about this.
so in 2.5 days they have admitted lying about the £18bn, controlling immigration and being confident that the experts were wrong and everything would be alright
"Speaking to the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show, he said: “I never said that during the course of the election. The £350m was an extrapolation of the £19.1bn – that’s the total amount of money we gave across to the European Union. What we actually said was a significant amount of it would go to the NHS. It’s essentially down to the government, but I believe that is what was pledged and that’s what should happen. There was talk about it going to the NHS, but there are other bits and pieces like agriculture, which is part of the process. That is the divide up. It was never the total.”
He denied that his comments constituted a broken promise, saying: “The lion’s share of that money, the government is now able to spend. So people can say that there is more money available now for the NHS – categorically more, which is what’s required and that’s the key point.”
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Rick Chasey wrote:ukiboy wrote:Maybe because we (and our parents) were happy to fully integrate into British society.
New Labour (as Andrew Nether, advisor to cabinet members stated), decided to change the make up of British society forever and 'rub the rights noses in diversity'.
I have seen my home town change beyond all recognition in the years 2000- the present.
Thanks New Labour!
That's not racist or bigoted, that's just common sense and a sadness that what was once a beautiful town has been changed beyond all recognition. Walking down my High Street and seeing every shop front displaying a sign in a foreign language is not a positive thing IMHO.
Times change, things change. Kings road round where I live was once the epicentre of punk. Now you have to count with two hands how many ferraris you see heading down it when you go shopping.
That you don't like foreign shops on your street is bigoted. You'll just have to get over that, or accept you are.
A very thinly veiled I live in Chelsea post
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I actually hear lots of people who came over here 40 - 60 years ago (my parents generation) complaining about recent immigration and I have to laugh. I don't think my parents fully integrated. They had their socials at the Irish club, sent us all to Irish dancing lessons and Catholic schools (with the Italian's kids) and ordered the Irish papers from the local newsagent.
When I moved to London I shared a house with some guys who's parents were Polish, who came over post WWII. They took me to the Polish social clubs and their preferred pubs. It's true that all the immigrants I knew (and Cardiff was very cosmopolitan) learned English. I think the grandparents of some schoolmates always relied on family to translate, but they made what effort they could.
The point is they settled into British life and kept up family and cultural connections back home. I never saw anything wrong with any group of people doing that.
As an adult, seeing the racism some of my friends faced made me realise I was "blessed" to be the child of white immigrants, so no one ever told me to "go back where I came from" even though in reality the English had more to fear from the Irish at that time than any other country.
This has changed and everyone with a foreign accent or specific cultural dress is a target now. It is not the immigrants who have changed.0 -
BelgianBeerGeek wrote:
Cameron lost, so he had to walk. I thought he should go straight away, but more and more I think leaving this three months is a canny move. Someone else has to do the crappy bit, I wonder who fancies that job?Surrey Commuter wrote:verylonglegs wrote:Leaking? It's been painfully obvious for months for many. All the debates being full of nothing buy catchphrases should have been the biggest giveaway.
They are now coming clean... I am now thoroughly discombobulated
should I laugh or cry?
Did Cameron know - does him resigning make him a comedy genius or an even bigger **** than I thought?
Is it wrong to hope Boris get strung up from a lamppost?
Although I voted Remain why do I feel stupid today than I did Thursday?
If you mean canny in terms of negotiation with the EU then my worry is that 3 months will annoy them and make things worse. There is no reason why the Tories could not have this sorted by the end of July0 -
mrfpb wrote:I actually hear lots of people who came over here 40 - 60 years ago (my parents generation) complaining about recent immigration and I have to laugh. I don't think my parents fully integrated. They had their socials at the Irish club, sent us all to Irish dancing lessons and Catholic schools (with the Italian's kids) and ordered the Irish papers from the local newsagent.
When I moved to London I shared a house with some guys who's parents were Polish, who came over post WWII. They took me to the Polish social clubs and their preferred pubs. It's true that all the immigrants I knew (and Cardiff was very cosmopolitan) learned English. I think the grandparents of some schoolmates always relied on family to translate, but they made what effort they could.
The point is they settled into British life and kept up family and cultural connections back home. I never saw anything wrong with any group of people doing that.
As an adult, seeing the racism some of my friends faced made me realise I was "blessed" to be the child of white immigrants, so no one ever told me to "go back where I came from" even though in reality the English had more to fear from the Irish at that time than any other country.
This has changed and everyone with a foreign accent or specific cultural dress is a target now. It is not the immigrants who have changed.
So do you think 2nd generation immigrants are more anti-immigration than the general population or whether it just strikes you more? And if so why?0 -
Surrey Commuter wrote:
So do you think 2nd generation immigrants are more anti-immigration than the general population or whether it just strikes you more? And if so why?
I don't particularly.0 -
Bloody Huguenots coming over here...
Bloody Beaker People, coming over here...
Courtesy Stewart Lee https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3HMhWB95ldQ0 -
Surrey Commuter wrote:So do you think 2nd generation immigrants are more anti-immigration than the general population or whether it just strikes you more? And if so why?
My point was 2nd gen immigrants are as anti-immigration as their parents (the been-here-some-time immigrants) and fail to see the disconnect. They've got a slice of the cake or a share in the company and they don't want to share it out any further. My theory is they feel they've invested heavily in the country and don't want to see others come in and take it more easily (even though this isn't the case).
I think there is a difference between anti-immigration and nationalistic racism, but I do think that elements of UKIP and all of Britain First are working to drive people from one position to the other.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:ukiboy wrote:Maybe because we (and our parents) were happy to fully integrate into British society.
New Labour (as Andrew Nether, advisor to cabinet members stated), decided to change the make up of British society forever and 'rub the rights noses in diversity'.
I have seen my home town change beyond all recognition in the years 2000- the present.
Thanks New Labour!
That's not racist or bigoted, that's just common sense and a sadness that what was once a beautiful town has been changed beyond all recognition. Walking down my High Street and seeing every shop front displaying a sign in a foreign language is not a positive thing IMHO.
Times change, things change. Kings road round where I live was once the epicentre of punk. Now you have to count with two hands how many ferraris you see heading down it when you go shopping.
That you don't like foreign shops on your street is bigoted. You'll just have to get over that, or accept you are.
We are all bigoted in one way or another. You too Rick. Human beings are a tribal bunch.
I, as a child of immigrants, integrated fully, as did my folks. I speak 3 languages, my folks speak multiple languages and I am hugely proud of the fact they integrated.
If the new immigration love living in England so much why don't they learn the language?
Integrate? In my opinion that's normal.Outside the rat race and proud of it0
