BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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verylonglegs wrote:morstar wrote:I think (read hope) that just like the Scottish referendum, the majority are happy / happier with he status quo but simply aren't shouting abut it.
I think there is a lot of truth in that. I see plenty of Vote Leave posters and billboards when out and about round here and haven't seen a single remain one. It's those who want change that are making the noise. The in voters are content to just keep their heads down and go about their business.
That's my hope but getting worried as all the 'man in the street' opinion bits they show on the news seem to be significantly siding with exit. I'm getting worried!0 -
Pross wrote:verylonglegs wrote:morstar wrote:I think (read hope) that just like the Scottish referendum, the majority are happy / happier with he status quo but simply aren't shouting abut it.
I think there is a lot of truth in that. I see plenty of Vote Leave posters and billboards when out and about round here and haven't seen a single remain one. It's those who want change that are making the noise. The in voters are content to just keep their heads down and go about their business.
That's my hope but getting worried as all the 'man in the street' opinion bits they show on the news seem to be significantly siding with exit. I'm getting worried!
My worry is the "shy" outer. I notice a lot of people not voicing an opinion. I am guessing this is because out is an emotional decision and they fear looking stupid or racist in a group discussion0 -
That's quite a skill you have there. Have you also noticed the curious incidence of dogs in your local area that don't bark in the night time ?Surrey Commuter wrote:
My worry is the "shy" outer. I notice a lot of people not voicing an opinion. I am guessing this is because out is an emotional decision and they fear looking stupid or racist in a group discussion
"Shy" voters as you call them, are more likely those who simple don't choose to engage with the low level of debate around this subject generally. PC flimflam for example, that tries to present immigration and economic migration concerns as racist when, where they do exist, they are actually more about numbers than about race.0 -
MikeBrew wrote:
That's quite a skill you have there. Have you also noticed the curious incidence of dogs in your local area that don't bark in the night time ?Surrey Commuter wrote:
My worry is the "shy" outer. I notice a lot of people not voicing an opinion. I am guessing this is because out is an emotional decision and they fear looking stupid or racist in a group discussion
"Shy" voters as you call them, are more likely those who simple don't choose to engage with the low level of debate around this subject generally. PC flimflam for example, that tries to present immigration and economic migration concerns as racist when, where they do exist, they are actually more about numbers than about race.
Total pish. As usual.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
PBlakeney wrote:MikeBrew wrote:
That's quite a skill you have there. Have you also noticed the curious incidence of dogs in your local area that don't bark in the night time ?Surrey Commuter wrote:
My worry is the "shy" outer. I notice a lot of people not voicing an opinion. I am guessing this is because out is an emotional decision and they fear looking stupid or racist in a group discussion
"Shy" voters as you call them, are more likely those who simple don't choose to engage with the low level of debate around this subject generally. PC flimflam for example, that tries to present immigration and economic migration concerns as racist when, where they do exist, they are actually more about numbers than about race.
Total pish. As usual.
it's an art form.0 -
Ah...........No prizes for guessing whose bleepers just went off, back at trolls R us headquarters. You clearly didn't get the editors memo re personally motivated mindless trolling. 0
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That's quite a skill you have there. Have you also noticed the curious incidence of dogs in your local area that don't bark in the night time ?Surrey Commuter wrote:
My worry is the "shy" outer. I notice a lot of people not voicing an opinion. I am guessing this is because out is an emotional decision and they fear looking stupid or racist in a group discussion
"Shy" voters as you call them, are more likely those who simple don't choose to engage with the low level of debate around this subject generally. PC flimflam for example, that tries to present immigration and economic migration concerns as racist when, where they do exist, they are actually more about numbers than about race. :idea:0 -
MikeBrew wrote:
That's quite a skill you have there. Have you also noticed the curious incidence of dogs in your local area that don't bark in the night time ?Surrey Commuter wrote:
My worry is the "shy" outer. I notice a lot of people not voicing an opinion. I am guessing this is because out is an emotional decision and they fear looking stupid or racist in a group discussion
"Shy" voters as you call them, are more likely those who simple don't choose to engage with the low level of debate around this subject generally. PC flimflam for example, that tries to present immigration and economic migration concerns as racist when, where they do exist, they are actually more about numbers than about race.
Google "shy Tory" and you will see what I mean.
I have no idea what your dog analogy means0 -
Curious as to why quiet dogs have anything to do with anything.
Maybe that's how some occupy themselves?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
FTFU guys. As Andy the editor requested. let's try to keep it to attacking the argument, not the poster, can't be too hard for 2 fine, intelligent young chaps like you can it...darkhairedlord wrote:PBlakeney wrote:MikeBrew wrote:
That's quite a skill you have there. Have you also noticed the curious incidence of dogs in your local area that don't bark in the night time ?Surrey Commuter wrote:
My worry is the "shy" outer. I notice a lot of people not voicing an opinion. I am guessing this is because out is an emotional decision and they fear looking stupid or racist in a group discussion
"Shy" voters as you call them, are more likely those who simple don't choose to engage with the low level of debate around this subject generally. PC flimflam for example, that tries to present immigration and economic migration concerns as racist when, where they do exist, they are actually more about numbers than about race.
Total pish. As usual In my opinion. Though to be fair,I have no idea how to go about intelligently rebutting the argument put forward, so have chosen instead o take a cheap personal shot at the poster.
it's an art form, Being able to keep posting without ever actually saying anything that even vaguely attempts to challenge the argument I'm heckling - as I tend to do, a LOT .0 -
Okay. Make one sensible point that we can debate.MikeBrew wrote:
FTFU guys. As Andy the editor requested. let's try to keep it to attacking the argument, not the poster, can't be too hard for 2 fine, intelligent young chaps like you can it...darkhairedlord wrote:PBlakeney wrote:MikeBrew wrote:
That's quite a skill you have there. Have you also noticed the curious incidence of dogs in your local area that don't bark in the night time ?Surrey Commuter wrote:
My worry is the "shy" outer. I notice a lot of people not voicing an opinion. I am guessing this is because out is an emotional decision and they fear looking stupid or racist in a group discussion
"Shy" voters as you call them, are more likely those who simple don't choose to engage with the low level of debate around this subject generally. PC flimflam for example, that tries to present immigration and economic migration concerns as racist when, where they do exist, they are actually more about numbers than about race.
Total pish. As usual In my opinion. Though to be fair,I have no idea how to go about intelligently rebutting the argument put forward, so have chosen instead o take a cheap personal shot at the poster.
it's an art form, Being able to keep posting without ever actually saying anything that even vaguely attempts to challenge the argument I'm heckling - as I tend to do, a LOT .
Past posts indicate that is unlikely.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Thank you for proving my point.MikeBrew wrote:
Indeed, or quiet voters for that matter. You'd have to ask London commuter ....PBlakeney wrote:Curious as to why quiet dogs have anything to do with anything.
Maybe that's how some occupy themselves?
Still 3927 and counting...congrats :PThe above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Surrey Commuter wrote:MikeBrew wrote:
That's quite a skill you have there. Have you also noticed the curious incidence of dogs in your local area that don't bark in the night time ?Surrey Commuter wrote:
My worry is the "shy" outer. I notice a lot of people not voicing an opinion. I am guessing this is because out is an emotional decision and they fear looking stupid or racist in a group discussion
"Shy" voters as you call them, are more likely those who simple don't choose to engage with the low level of debate around this subject generally. PC flimflam for example, that tries to present immigration and economic migration concerns as racist when, where they do exist, they are actually more about numbers than about race.
Google "shy Tory" and you will see what I mean.
I have no idea what your dog analogy means
As far as the dog analogy goes - simply put it means that your can't impute meaning to silence in the way that your above suggestion "I notice a lot of people not voicing an opinion.....etc" attempts to ascribe views and motivations to people who are saying nothing at all...
@PBlakeny My point is quoted above from my initial reply to LC's post. Since then you've made 4 posts, none of which remotely attempts to deconstruct my argument at all.It says something that you're blissfully unaware of that - Eddy Izzard on the recent question time springs to my mind.
In plain language - you are simply heckling. 4000 is just around the corner though isn't it. :!: - I think that, in reality, you are proving my point that your post count is your primary focus.0 -
Yet the numbers show that immigration is good for the country.MikeBrew wrote:"Shy" voters as you call them, are more likely those who simple don't choose to engage with the low level of debate around this subject generally. PC flimflam for example, that tries to present immigration and economic migration concerns as racist when, where they do exist, they are actually more about numbers than about race.0 -
Veronese68 wrote:Yet the numbers show that immigration is good for the country.
While that may be true, there is a large amount of the population who feel it is not good for them.0 -
Veronese68 wrote:
Yet the numbers show that immigration is good for the country.MikeBrew wrote:"Shy" voters as you call them, are more likely those who simple don't choose to engage with the low level of debate around this subject generally. PC flimflam for example, that tries to present immigration and economic migration concerns as racist when, where they do exist, they are actually more about numbers than about race.
Firstly, no one seems to bother drawing the distinction between immigration - which involves people coming here to live and fully integrate, and economic migration - which in some ways can be seen as analogous to someone from the UK going to work on an oil rig for the higher money that brings.
Secondly, I didn't say whether I thought immigration/economic migration was good or bad, in my view. My point was that's it's disingenuous to suggest that those who do consider it to be problematic, see it as a race issue, rather than simply an issue around the number of people that the UK can sustainably support, long term . Calling all "outers" racist is nonsense and just a little too convenient.
It's indicative of the poor level of debate around the referendum generally.0 -
There is a very low level of debate around the referendum, I agree. I am firmly convinced that staying in is the right thing to do for economic reasons, if we leave I have little doubt that the economy will shrink. Immigration is less of an issue than many think, but the leave campaign are preying on the fears of a large number of the population. The EU is not t oblame for all of our immigration issues. The people in Calais trying to get into the UK won't suddenly disappear if we leave the EU. Historically immigrants have been blamed for a lot of troubles all over the world. Look at Farage saying we will have problems like the sex attacks in Germany during the carnival if we stay in the EU, preying on peoples fears. Yet a UKIP party aide has been done for sexually abusing a child. The level of debate is very low, almost Donald Trump low. It's quite depressing really.MikeBrew wrote:It's indicative of the poor level of debate around the referendum generally.0 -
To be fair, Farage is probably more of an asset to the remains than the leaves, as it(his existence) facilitates them being able to tar all "leavers" with the same brush as him.0
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MikeBrew wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:MikeBrew wrote:
That's quite a skill you have there. Have you also noticed the curious incidence of dogs in your local area that don't bark in the night time ?Surrey Commuter wrote:
My worry is the "shy" outer. I notice a lot of people not voicing an opinion. I am guessing this is because out is an emotional decision and they fear looking stupid or racist in a group discussion
"Shy" voters as you call them, are more likely those who simple don't choose to engage with the low level of debate around this subject generally. PC flimflam for example, that tries to present immigration and economic migration concerns as racist when, where they do exist, they are actually more about numbers than about race.
Google "shy Tory" and you will see what I mean.
I have no idea what your dog analogy means
As far as the dog analogy goes - simply put it means that your can't impute meaning to silence in the way that your above suggestion "I notice a lot of people not voicing an opinion.....etc" attempts to ascribe views and motivations to people who are saying nothing at all...
@PBlakeny My point is quoted above from my initial reply to LC's post. Since then you've made 4 posts, none of which remotely attempts to deconstruct my argument at all.It says something that you're blissfully unaware of that - Eddy Izzard on the recent question time springs to my mind.
In plain language - you are simply heckling. 4000 is just around the corner though isn't it. :!: - I think that, in reality, you are proving my point that your post count is your primary focus.
I am a fervent remainer so when I say I worry about "shy outers" my worry is that they are being under counted in opinion polls. The reason they are shy is because they fear being branded racist not because they are.0 -
MikeBrew wrote:Veronese68 wrote:
Yet the numbers show that immigration is good for the country.MikeBrew wrote:"Shy" voters as you call them, are more likely those who simple don't choose to engage with the low level of debate around this subject generally. PC flimflam for example, that tries to present immigration and economic migration concerns as racist when, where they do exist, they are actually more about numbers than about race.
Firstly, no one seems to bother drawing the distinction between immigration - which involves people coming here to live and fully integrate, and economic migration - which in some ways can be seen as analogous to someone from the UK going to work on an oil rig for the higher money that brings.
Secondly, I didn't say whether I thought immigration/economic migration was good or bad, in my view. My point was that's it's disingenuous to suggest that those who do consider it to be problematic, see it as a race issue, rather than simply an issue around the number of people that the UK can sustainably support, long term . Calling all "outers" racist is nonsense and just a little too convenient.
It's indicative of the poor level of debate around the referendum generally.
Can I make a suggestion for a civilised debate. To improve the analogy replace oil rig with London. Let's assume that London is over-populated and public services are at breaking point - we should debate whether citizens from poorer parts of the Uk should be stopped from working and/or living within the M25.0 -
Surrey Commuter wrote:MikeBrew wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:MikeBrew wrote:
That's quite a skill you have there. Have you also noticed the curious incidence of dogs in your local area that don't bark in the night time ?Surrey Commuter wrote:
My worry is the "shy" outer. I notice a lot of people not voicing an opinion. I am guessing this is because out is an emotional decision and they fear looking stupid or racist in a group discussion
"Shy" voters as you call them, are more likely those who simple don't choose to engage with the low level of debate around this subject generally. PC flimflam for example, that tries to present immigration and economic migration concerns as racist when, where they do exist, they are actually more about numbers than about race.
Google "shy Tory" and you will see what I mean.
I have no idea what your dog analogy means
As far as the dog analogy goes - simply put it means that your can't impute meaning to silence in the way that your above suggestion "I notice a lot of people not voicing an opinion.....etc" attempts to ascribe views and motivations to people who are saying nothing at all...
@PBlakeny My point is quoted above from my initial reply to LC's post. Since then you've made 4 posts, none of which remotely attempts to deconstruct my argument at all.It says something that you're blissfully unaware of that - Eddy Izzard on the recent question time springs to my mind.
In plain language - you are simply heckling. 4000 is just around the corner though isn't it. :!: - I think that, in reality, you are proving my point that your post count is your primary focus.
I am a fervent remainer so when I say I worry about "shy outers" my worry is that they are being under counted in opinion polls. The reason they are shy is because they fear being branded racist not because they are.
I don't think it's a case of being shy, nor stupid. A lot of people simply don't feel the need to engage in a debate, they've made their own minds up one way or the other.
Im voting out, which I think makes me a racist according to most on this forum. Except the fact is I see more EU migrants in a day than most on here see in a month.
All I hear from the leave campaign is scaremongering, guesswork and outright lies. The UK will be fine outside the EU, and if we do leave it will very likely be the beginning of the end of the EU in my opinion.0 -
NorvernRob wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:MikeBrew wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:MikeBrew wrote:
That's quite a skill you have there. Have you also noticed the curious incidence of dogs in your local area that don't bark in the night time ?Surrey Commuter wrote:
My worry is the "shy" outer. I notice a lot of people not voicing an opinion. I am guessing this is because out is an emotional decision and they fear looking stupid or racist in a group discussion
"Shy" voters as you call them, are more likely those who simple don't choose to engage with the low level of debate around this subject generally. PC flimflam for example, that tries to present immigration and economic migration concerns as racist when, where they do exist, they are actually more about numbers than about race.
Google "shy Tory" and you will see what I mean.
I have no idea what your dog analogy means
As far as the dog analogy goes - simply put it means that your can't impute meaning to silence in the way that your above suggestion "I notice a lot of people not voicing an opinion.....etc" attempts to ascribe views and motivations to people who are saying nothing at all...
@PBlakeny My point is quoted above from my initial reply to LC's post. Since then you've made 4 posts, none of which remotely attempts to deconstruct my argument at all.It says something that you're blissfully unaware of that - Eddy Izzard on the recent question time springs to my mind.
In plain language - you are simply heckling. 4000 is just around the corner though isn't it. :!: - I think that, in reality, you are proving my point that your post count is your primary focus.
I am a fervent remainer so when I say I worry about "shy outers" my worry is that they are being under counted in opinion polls. The reason they are shy is because they fear being branded racist not because they are.
I don't think it's a case of being shy, nor stupid. A lot of people simply don't feel the need to engage in a debate, they've made their own minds up one way or the other.
Im voting out, which I think makes me a racist according to most on this forum. Except the fact is I see and interact with more EU migrants in a day than most on here see in a month.
All I hear from the leave campaign is scaremongering, guesswork and outright lies. The UK will be fine outside the EU, and if we do leave it will very likely be the beginning of the end of the EU in my opinion.0 -
Attacking the man yet again, yet unable to see the irony or hypocrisy.MikeBrew wrote:@PBlakeny My point is quoted above from my initial reply to LC's post. Since then you've made 4 posts, none of which remotely attempts to deconstruct my argument at all.It says something that you're blissfully unaware of that - Eddy Izzard on the recent question time springs to my mind.
In plain language - you are simply heckling. 4000 is just around the corner though isn't it. :!: - I think that, in reality, you are proving my point that your post count is your primary focus.
Re immigrants now that is is the debate. They are here because the lazy and feckless in this Country won't do the jobs that the immigrants are willing to do. That won't change regardless of whether we are in or out of the EU.
PS - I was totally unaware of my post count until you pointed it out.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
NorvernRob wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:MikeBrew wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:MikeBrew wrote:
That's quite a skill you have there. Have you also noticed the curious incidence of dogs in your local area that don't bark in the night time ?Surrey Commuter wrote:
My worry is the "shy" outer. I notice a lot of people not voicing an opinion. I am guessing this is because out is an emotional decision and they fear looking stupid or racist in a group discussion
"Shy" voters as you call them, are more likely those who simple don't choose to engage with the low level of debate around this subject generally. PC flimflam for example, that tries to present immigration and economic migration concerns as racist when, where they do exist, they are actually more about numbers than about race.
Google "shy Tory" and you will see what I mean.
I have no idea what your dog analogy means
As far as the dog analogy goes - simply put it means that your can't impute meaning to silence in the way that your above suggestion "I notice a lot of people not voicing an opinion.....etc" attempts to ascribe views and motivations to people who are saying nothing at all...
@PBlakeny My point is quoted above from my initial reply to LC's post. Since then you've made 4 posts, none of which remotely attempts to deconstruct my argument at all.It says something that you're blissfully unaware of that - Eddy Izzard on the recent question time springs to my mind.
In plain language - you are simply heckling. 4000 is just around the corner though isn't it. :!: - I think that, in reality, you are proving my point that your post count is your primary focus.
I am a fervent remainer so when I say I worry about "shy outers" my worry is that they are being under counted in opinion polls. The reason they are shy is because they fear being branded racist not because they are.
I don't think it's a case of being shy, nor stupid. A lot of people simply don't feel the need to engage in a debate, they've made their own minds up one way or the other.
Im voting out, which I think makes me a racist according to most on this forum. Except the fact is I see more EU migrants in a day than most on here see in a month.
All I hear from the leave campaign is scaremongering, guesswork and outright lies. The UK will be fine outside the EU, and if we do leave it will very likely be the beginning of the end of the EU in my opinion.
Rob - if I am reading right you are happy to be surrounded by EU migrants and all you hear from leave is "scaremongering, guesswork and outright lies " . A genuine question - why are you voting out?0 -
Indeed you are. Five posts from you, directed purely at me and still not even a pretense at acknowledging what I was actually pointing out in my initial reply to London Commuter. He and Veronese68 have addressed that point, yet you still haven't.PBlakeney wrote:
Attacking the man yet again, yet unable to see the irony or hypocrisy.MikeBrew wrote:@PBlakeny My point is quoted above from my initial reply to LC's post. Since then you've made 4 posts, none of which remotely attempts to deconstruct my argument at all.It says something that you're blissfully unaware of that - Eddy Izzard on the recent question time springs to my mind.
In plain language - you are simply heckling. 4000 is just around the corner though isn't it. :!: - I think that, in reality, you are proving my point that your post count is your primary focus.
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Me pointing that out is not attacking the man rather than the point. It IS my point to you. Lets just have a look at your responses to a post that wasn't even addressed to you before we decide who's playing the man and not the ball shall we. What you've written in it's entire unedited, unexpurgated form :
Reply 1.
Reply 2.PB wrote:Total pish. As usual
Reply3.PB wrote:Curious as to why quiet dogs have anything to do with anything.
Maybe that's how some occupy themselves?
Reply 4.PB wrote:Okay. Make one sensible point that we can debate.
Past posts indicate that is unlikely.
And then in your fifth post accussing me of doing precisely what your 4 previous, lazily short quips, were doing to me, as well as demonstrating a very poor understanding of my initial post - which wasn't even addressed to you :PB wrote:Thank you for proving my point
Reply 5.PB wrote:Attacking the man yet again, yet unable to see the irony or hypocrisy.
Re immigrants now that is is the debate. They are here because the lazy and feckless in this Country won't do the jobs that the immigrants are willing to do. That won't change regardless of whether we are in or out of the EU.
PS - I was totally unaware of my post count until you pointed it out.
You seem extremely unaware of your own actions (hence the Eddy Izzard QT comparison)
Having said that, I won't waste any more of my time on you Monty Python-esque, simple contradiction. I note that the majority of your replies to others are also factious, facetious one liners, hence my unavoidable conclusion that your post count is your main concern.0 -
We are not making the distinction between the different classes of immigrant:
The refugees form Syria/Libya.
Both countries are suffering because we have stood back seemingly powerless to intervene in a dreadful civil war - Farage's solution standing in Kent in the aftermath of a single rubber dinghy "We would send them back". To where exactly? So we make the mess or at leats are not prepared to resolve a mess and his solution is to shut the gates so to speak.
Economic migrants from within the EU.
Adding to £6.2bn to the economy in 2105 according to recent figures and doing the jobs the feckless long term unemployed won't do. They are also filling up the gaps in NHS recruitment because we have failed to educate and train sufficient numbers.
External economic migrants.
Fed on a diet of 'nirvana over the horizon' from the depths of African countries impoverished by external exploitation and internal corruption.
The rest.
Between Syria and internal Economic migrants, they probably make up 80% of the influx. One lot are assisting in our economy and the other are refugees in need of a haven. A lot of them are probably engineers, doctors and highly qualified people. Personnel which could aid our economy.
So the whole immigration problem is a lot to do with our own actions or inaction both in terms of external conflict and the other side of the sword is our own inability to mobilise certain parts of the indigenous population or educate to a level worthy of a 1st world country.
From the remain camp to the Brexit lot, the immigration is covered in a simplistic, one dimensional way.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
Not addressing my attempt to discuss your point about immigrants.MikeBrew wrote:Stuff. All personal points.
How is leaving the EU going to stop immigrants coming to do work that the British appear not to want to do?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
@PB So, 4 nakedly trolling posts , then you expect someone to respond to you like you've been adult throughout, when you suddenly manage to manage to string more than 2 sentences together ?
Reply 1.
Reply 2.PB wrote:Total pish. As usual
Reply3.PB wrote:Curious as to why quiet dogs have anything to do with anything.
Maybe that's how some occupy themselves?
Reply 4.PB wrote:Okay. Make one sensible point that we can debate.
Past posts indicate that is unlikely.PB wrote:Thank you for proving my point
Reply 5. Just over 2 sentences and a weak pretense at grounds for debate
Reply 6.
clearly you haven't even grasped the point that i was making LC and Veronese68 did !PB wrote:Not addressing my attempt to discuss your point about immigrants.
How is leaving the EU going to stop immigrants coming to do work that the British appear not to want to do?(back to only 2 sentences)
The one useful thing that you have done here to answer London Commuter's question about why there are folk not bothering to express an opinion or engage in the debate due to the low level of that debate. You've done that by personifying that low level of debate.
You'll get no more of my time to use as a pretext for upping your spam post count. :roll:0 -
Can I make a suggestion for a civilised debate. To improve the analogy replace oil rig with London. Let's assume that London is over-populated and public services are at breaking point - we should debate whether citizens from poorer parts of the UK should be stopped from working and/or living within the M25.
This is a good point. We have London as a powerhouse for the UK, and public services, housing, transport are stretched to breaking point according to some - it is certainly anecdotally voiced if not proven. Would London decide not to let people in if it had the power?
A parallel would be the USA in the great Depression. California made the unilateral decision to stop admitting people from the "dust bowl" states unless they could prove they had cash to support themselves or a job to go to. It is considered one of the less noble episodes of the country's history.
We have seen a similar episode in the EU where the Schengen agreement was suspended during the refugee crisis as it was clear some member states would act unilaterally. Of course the refugee crisis is different to the economic migration question.
There is some evidence that businesses in Germany and the Netherlands are already putting pressure on their governments to allow free trade with the UK in the event of Brexit, and to ignore the EU commission's threats to "punish" or "play hard ball" with the UK over trade. One proposed solution is that in return for continued contributions form the UK we get free trade and free movement of labour (people with jobs to go to) as opposed to a blanket free movement of people.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-365007470
