BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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'Frozen' doesn't mean anything. He can 'unfreeze' whenever he wants.surrey_commuter said:
Because he froze them for the duration of this Parliamentrjsterry said:
How can a decision on whether to adjust the tax bands or not be 'baked in'? The lower threshold was only raised at the last minute and the promised tax cut may never happen.surrey_commuter said:
but that was already baked in.morstar said:
The inflation is not whataboutery because the tax bands have been frozen.surrey_commuter said:I probably need to reply to all
Rick said that Rishi was pushing up taxes on people who do not earn much.
This is not true and all the inflation whataboutery does not make it so as that would happen anyway.
Economically this Govt is to the left of Blair with record levels of tax, spending and borrowing. I can't help but think that if they weren't wearing blue rosettes you would be cheering them on
Had they not been, then yes.
Static tax bands drag more low earners into tax every year and the higher rate applies to ever more modest salaries.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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But that would mean this government making a u-turn.rjsterry said:
'Frozen' doesn't mean anything. He can 'unfreeze' whenever he wants.surrey_commuter said:
Because he froze them for the duration of this Parliamentrjsterry said:
How can a decision on whether to adjust the tax bands or not be 'baked in'? The lower threshold was only raised at the last minute and the promised tax cut may never happen.surrey_commuter said:
but that was already baked in.morstar said:
The inflation is not whataboutery because the tax bands have been frozen.surrey_commuter said:I probably need to reply to all
Rick said that Rishi was pushing up taxes on people who do not earn much.
This is not true and all the inflation whataboutery does not make it so as that would happen anyway.
Economically this Govt is to the left of Blair with record levels of tax, spending and borrowing. I can't help but think that if they weren't wearing blue rosettes you would be cheering them on
Had they not been, then yes.
Static tax bands drag more low earners into tax every year and the higher rate applies to ever more modest salaries.
Ah, okay, fair point, well made.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
So what else do you want to reopen? pension thresholds? child benefit clawback? removal of personal allowance?morstar said:
Sorry, but this is whatabboutery.surrey_commuter said:
Because he froze them for the duration of this Parliamentrjsterry said:
How can a decision on whether to adjust the tax bands or not be 'baked in'? The lower threshold was only raised at the last minute and the promised tax cut may never happen.surrey_commuter said:
but that was already baked in.morstar said:
The inflation is not whataboutery because the tax bands have been frozen.surrey_commuter said:I probably need to reply to all
Rick said that Rishi was pushing up taxes on people who do not earn much.
This is not true and all the inflation whataboutery does not make it so as that would happen anyway.
Economically this Govt is to the left of Blair with record levels of tax, spending and borrowing. I can't help but think that if they weren't wearing blue rosettes you would be cheering them on
Had they not been, then yes.
Static tax bands drag more low earners into tax every year and the higher rate applies to ever more modest salaries.
It’s his own decision. It’s not like it’s an external factor such as covid or Brexit.
All his new measures are set against the backdrop of his own decision to drag more people into tax with static bands. That decision already being made has to be considered as context for any further policies.0 -
That chart has the feel of someone trawling through data to find the perfect line that encapsulates their conclusion.0
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I think we can draw the line at his own policies for a clear delineation. i.e. freezing tax bands is his policy. Not something either inherited or external.surrey_commuter said:
So what else do you want to reopen? pension thresholds? child benefit clawback? removal of personal allowance?
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ddraver said:
Surprised Pikachu face...not
Cheer up... too late to do anything about it now.
Except to say "Told you so."0 -
Is anybody else starting to doubt the power of the German carmakersbriantrumpet said:ddraver said:Surprised Pikachu face...not
Cheer up... too late to do anything about it now.
Except to say "Told you so."0 -
surrey_commuter said:
Is anybody else starting to doubt the power of the German carmakersbriantrumpet said:ddraver said:Surprised Pikachu face...not
Cheer up... too late to do anything about it now.
Except to say "Told you so."
Wait till their gas runs out... they'll come running back to us then.0 -
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You already know the answer but I will try and do so in a non-perjorative manner.rick_chasey said:Surely a Brexiter here wants to defend Brexit? A third of exporters gone. Is it worth it?
Brexiteers do not do macroeconomics, so as long as these issues do not land on their own doormat it is a price worth paying to have less foreigners in your life.
On a lighter note how many of these 9,000 firms pivoted to Asia?0 -
To play devils advocate…rick_chasey said:Surely a Brexiter here wants to defend Brexit? A third of exporters gone. Is it worth it?
I’d expect there would be some consolidation whereby suppliers better able to handle the red tape do so whilst smaller players back out.
Far from a good outcome but does not automatically correlate to a drop of a third in trade.0 -
Sure, but there happens to be a chart going around from the FT demonstrating a very clear drop in UK trade compared to the rest of the G7 which aligns bang on with the same dates.morstar said:
To play devils advocate…rick_chasey said:Surely a Brexiter here wants to defend Brexit? A third of exporters gone. Is it worth it?
I’d expect there would be some consolidation whereby suppliers better able to handle the red tape do so whilst smaller players back out.
Far from a good outcome but does not automatically correlate to a drop of a third in trade.0 -
Maybe you should question why there is still asymmetry in the rules regarding the export of goods to the UK versus the other way. That is a good question for the current government.rick_chasey said:Surely a Brexiter here wants to defend Brexit? A third of exporters gone. Is it worth it?
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https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1594658/brexit-news-boris-johnson-uk-france-fishing-licences-british-waters-ben-habib
Brilliant bit of work by Macron, timing couldnt have been better...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Which bit of that are you struggling with?john80 said:
Maybe you should question why there is still asymmetry in the rules regarding the export of goods to the UK versus the other way. That is a good question for the current government.rick_chasey said:Surely a Brexiter here wants to defend Brexit? A third of exporters gone. Is it worth it?
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Are you happy with the EU imposing import checks on UK goods but the UK government not returning the favour. Or are you still holding onto the argument that we pursued Brexit so the pain should be entirely on the UKs shoulders.rick_chasey said:
Which bit of that are you struggling with?john80 said:
Maybe you should question why there is still asymmetry in the rules regarding the export of goods to the UK versus the other way. That is a good question for the current government.rick_chasey said:Surely a Brexiter here wants to defend Brexit? A third of exporters gone. Is it worth it?
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We are not in the EU so of course they are going to impose checks.john80 said:
Are you happy with the EU imposing import checks on UK goods but the UK government not returning the favour. Or are you still holding onto the argument that we pursued Brexit so the pain should be entirely on the UKs shoulders.rick_chasey said:
Which bit of that are you struggling with?john80 said:
Maybe you should question why there is still asymmetry in the rules regarding the export of goods to the UK versus the other way. That is a good question for the current government.rick_chasey said:Surely a Brexiter here wants to defend Brexit? A third of exporters gone. Is it worth it?
What our government does is up to our government. Sovereign isn't it.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
we chose to have export checks on our exports and we chose to not have checks on our imports.john80 said:
Maybe you should question why there is still asymmetry in the rules regarding the export of goods to the UK versus the other way. That is a good question for the current government.rick_chasey said:Surely a Brexiter here wants to defend Brexit? A third of exporters gone. Is it worth it?
I believe we chose not to check imports because it would be bad for the economy.
I don't get your problem as this is what you voted for0 -
What were you expecting by leaving the CU and SM?john80 said:
Are you happy with the EU imposing import checks on UK goods but the UK government not returning the favour. Or are you still holding onto the argument that we pursued Brexit so the pain should be entirely on the UKs shoulders.rick_chasey said:
Which bit of that are you struggling with?john80 said:
Maybe you should question why there is still asymmetry in the rules regarding the export of goods to the UK versus the other way. That is a good question for the current government.rick_chasey said:Surely a Brexiter here wants to defend Brexit? A third of exporters gone. Is it worth it?
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The German car companies will sort it out.0
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Data from the institute of Export and International Trade says otherwise rather clearly.briantrumpet said:ddraver said:Surprised Pikachu face...not
Cheer up... too late to do anything about it now.
Except to say "Told you so."
https://export.org.uk/news/594836/New-monitor-shows-boost-in-number-of-UK-exporters.htm
So cheer up, as you say."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
you should read that articleStevo_666 said:
Data from the institute of Export and International Trade says otherwise rather clearly.briantrumpet said:ddraver said:Surprised Pikachu face...not
Cheer up... too late to do anything about it now.
Except to say "Told you so."
https://export.org.uk/news/594836/New-monitor-shows-boost-in-number-of-UK-exporters.htm
So cheer up, as you say.0 -
A bit more nuance? This is the Brexit thread. Everything should be an extreme take.surrey_commuter said:
you should read that articleStevo_666 said:
Data from the institute of Export and International Trade says otherwise rather clearly.briantrumpet said:ddraver said:Surprised Pikachu face...not
Cheer up... too late to do anything about it now.
Except to say "Told you so."
https://export.org.uk/news/594836/New-monitor-shows-boost-in-number-of-UK-exporters.htm
So cheer up, as you say.0 -
they did not previously have to register as exporters if only selling to the EU so very thin gruel even by Brexit win standardsTheBigBean said:
A bit more nuance? This is the Brexit thread. Everything should be an extreme take.surrey_commuter said:
you should read that articleStevo_666 said:
Data from the institute of Export and International Trade says otherwise rather clearly.briantrumpet said:ddraver said:Surprised Pikachu face...not
Cheer up... too late to do anything about it now.
Except to say "Told you so."
https://export.org.uk/news/594836/New-monitor-shows-boost-in-number-of-UK-exporters.htm
So cheer up, as you say.0 -
The article was about it slightly recovering in jan22 after falling since April 21surrey_commuter said:
they did not previously have to register as exporters if only selling to the EU so very thin gruel even by Brexit win standardsTheBigBean said:
A bit more nuance? This is the Brexit thread. Everything should be an extreme take.surrey_commuter said:
you should read that articleStevo_666 said:
Data from the institute of Export and International Trade says otherwise rather clearly.briantrumpet said:ddraver said:Surprised Pikachu face...not
Cheer up... too late to do anything about it now.
Except to say "Told you so."
https://export.org.uk/news/594836/New-monitor-shows-boost-in-number-of-UK-exporters.htm
So cheer up, as you say.0
