BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

briantrumpet

Ipsos/Mori withdrew a loaded Brexit poll from their website & Twitter.

Interesting thread.

https://twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/1478067755072954370

rick_chasey

Faked?

Bit of a stretch to say it was faked

rjsterry

rick_chasey said:

Faked?

Bit of a stretch to say it was faked

In that the questions were loaded to give the desired outcome, rather than an accurate reflection of public opinion. Also, the tweet adds the qualifier "whether Brexit is going well or not" which was not part of the initial poll. So maybe not faked, but pretty dishonest.

All a little academic at the moment, though.

rick_chasey

rjsterry said:

rick_chasey said:

Faked?

Bit of a stretch to say it was faked

In that the questions were loaded to give the desired outcome, rather than an accurate reflection of public opinion. Also, the tweet adds the qualifier "whether Brexit is going well or not" which was not part of the initial poll. So maybe not faked, but pretty dishonest.

All a little academic at the moment, though.

"A badly designed poll" would be more accurate. I know everyone gets over-excited about 'fake news' but come on.

The replies underneath the posted tweet are fairly pathetic too

Jezyboy

Even in a loaded poll 66% of people don't beleive we were right to leave the EU.

rick_chasey

Jezyboy said:

Even in a loaded poll 66% of people don't beleive we were right to leave the EU.

I said a while ago eventually Brexit would be a bit like support for the iraq war in that quite a few people will disown it in the future.

I don't think it will be that extreme but same idea.

tailwindhome

Jezyboy said:

Even in a loaded poll 66% of people don't beleive we were right to leave the EU.

They be missing the foie gras

rick_chasey

I guess in a fortnight we can expect the next raft of complaints from industries affected by the next load of regs to come in?

TheBigBean

kingstongraham said:

That's just "I don't like the EU' logic.

It's an argument that some decisions should be made more locally. Perfectly happy for it to be a devolved issue, so Scotland and choose another time zone.

rick_chasey

TheBigBean said:

kingstongraham said:

That's just "I don't like the EU' logic.

It's an argument that some decisions should be made more locally. Perfectly happy for it to be a devolved issue, so Scotland and choose another time zone.

At what level do you think issues should no longer be made locally? Country? County? Town? Borough? Street?

kingstongraham

TheBigBean said:

kingstongraham said:

That's just "I don't like the EU' logic.

It's an argument that some decisions should be made more locally. Perfectly happy for it to be a devolved issue, so Scotland and choose another time zone.

Was the "few MEPs" bit that was the giveaway.

TheBigBean

rick_chasey said:

TheBigBean said:

kingstongraham said:

That's just "I don't like the EU' logic.

It's an argument that some decisions should be made more locally. Perfectly happy for it to be a devolved issue, so Scotland and choose another time zone.

At what level do you think issues should no longer be made locally? Country? County? Town? Borough? Street?

Obviously depends on the issue. I don't think where yellow lines are painted is a multi-national issue, that's one for local councils.

rjsterry

TheBigBean said:

kingstongraham said:

That's just "I don't like the EU' logic.

It's an argument that some decisions should be made more locally. Perfectly happy for it to be a devolved issue, so Scotland and choose another time zone.

Sort of surprised that Sturgeon hasn't already railed against the tyranny of English Time.

TheBigBean

rjsterry said:

TheBigBean said:

kingstongraham said:

That's just "I don't like the EU' logic.

It's an argument that some decisions should be made more locally. Perfectly happy for it to be a devolved issue, so Scotland and choose another time zone.

Sort of surprised that Sturgeon hasn't already railed against the tyranny of English Time.

Interestingly, China has only one time zone "Beijing time", but in a few areas such as Xinjiang they operate local time as well as Beijing time. No idea if Beijing has now cracked down on this, but it furthers my point that time is a local issue.

rjsterry

TheBigBean said:

rjsterry said:

TheBigBean said:

kingstongraham said:

That's just "I don't like the EU' logic.

It's an argument that some decisions should be made more locally. Perfectly happy for it to be a devolved issue, so Scotland and choose another time zone.

Sort of surprised that Sturgeon hasn't already railed against the tyranny of English Time.

Interestingly, China has only one time zone "Beijing time", but in a few areas such as Xinjiang they operate local time as well as Beijing time. No idea if Beijing has now cracked down on this, but it furthers my point that time is a local issue.

As is most of Europe on CET. It rather makes the point that it doesn't matter what time you call it, so long as there is an agreed standard. There is no advantage to calling it 12.56 rather than 10.56.

TheBigBean

rjsterry said:

TheBigBean said:

rjsterry said:

TheBigBean said:

kingstongraham said:

That's just "I don't like the EU' logic.

It's an argument that some decisions should be made more locally. Perfectly happy for it to be a devolved issue, so Scotland and choose another time zone.

Sort of surprised that Sturgeon hasn't already railed against the tyranny of English Time.

Interestingly, China has only one time zone "Beijing time", but in a few areas such as Xinjiang they operate local time as well as Beijing time. No idea if Beijing has now cracked down on this, but it furthers my point that time is a local issue.

As is most of Europe on CET. It rather makes the point that it doesn't matter what time you call it, so long as there is an agreed standard. There is no advantage to calling it 12.56 rather than 10.56.

I'm not sure what you are arguing for or against, but places such as Canada have 6 time zones.

TheBigBean

Ships also change their time as they travel around the world.

pblakeney

Not sure what summer time as set by Britain following the Second World War has to do with Brexit.

rick_chasey

BB focusing on the big wins of Brexit, like the ability to make trivial decisions, but not necessarily to take them.

It's basically a sovereignty argument.

TheBigBean

pblakeney said:

Not sure what summer time as set by Britain following the Second World War has to do with Brexit.

It's ending in the EU, but staying in the UK.

rjsterry

TheBigBean said:

rjsterry said:

TheBigBean said:

rjsterry said:

TheBigBean said:

kingstongraham said:

That's just "I don't like the EU' logic.

It's an argument that some decisions should be made more locally. Perfectly happy for it to be a devolved issue, so Scotland and choose another time zone.

Sort of surprised that Sturgeon hasn't already railed against the tyranny of English Time.

Interestingly, China has only one time zone "Beijing time", but in a few areas such as Xinjiang they operate local time as well as Beijing time. No idea if Beijing has now cracked down on this, but it furthers my point that time is a local issue.

As is most of Europe on CET. It rather makes the point that it doesn't matter what time you call it, so long as there is an agreed standard. There is no advantage to calling it 12.56 rather than 10.56.

I'm not sure what you are arguing for or against, but places such as Canada have 6 time zones.

I'm saying in something the size of Europe it doesn't make much difference whether you all stick to one time zone or have several. Canada is much wider than Europe, so multiple time zones make more sense: London is 0°, Kiev is 30°E; Canada stretches from 52° W to 141° W.

pblakeney

TheBigBean said:

pblakeney said:

Not sure what summer time as set by Britain following the Second World War has to do with Brexit.

It's ending in the EU, but staying in the UK.

I guess a lot of people will be miffed that we've left then.

pblakeney

rjsterry said:

TheBigBean said:

rjsterry said:

TheBigBean said:

rjsterry said:

TheBigBean said:

kingstongraham said:

That's just "I don't like the EU' logic.

It's an argument that some decisions should be made more locally. Perfectly happy for it to be a devolved issue, so Scotland and choose another time zone.

Sort of surprised that Sturgeon hasn't already railed against the tyranny of English Time.

Interestingly, China has only one time zone "Beijing time", but in a few areas such as Xinjiang they operate local time as well as Beijing time. No idea if Beijing has now cracked down on this, but it furthers my point that time is a local issue.

As is most of Europe on CET. It rather makes the point that it doesn't matter what time you call it, so long as there is an agreed standard. There is no advantage to calling it 12.56 rather than 10.56.

I'm not sure what you are arguing for or against, but places such as Canada have 6 time zones.

I'm saying in something the size of Europe it doesn't make much difference whether you all stick to one time zone or have several. Canada is much wider than Europe, so multiple time zones make more sense: London is 0°, Kiev is 30°E; Canada stretches from 52° W to 141° W.

Makes zero difference to me at all.
I adjust my lifestyle timings to suit the sun, not a clock.

TheBigBean

rjsterry said:

TheBigBean said:

rjsterry said:

TheBigBean said:

rjsterry said:

TheBigBean said:

kingstongraham said:

That's just "I don't like the EU' logic.

It's an argument that some decisions should be made more locally. Perfectly happy for it to be a devolved issue, so Scotland and choose another time zone.

Sort of surprised that Sturgeon hasn't already railed against the tyranny of English Time.

Interestingly, China has only one time zone "Beijing time", but in a few areas such as Xinjiang they operate local time as well as Beijing time. No idea if Beijing has now cracked down on this, but it furthers my point that time is a local issue.

As is most of Europe on CET. It rather makes the point that it doesn't matter what time you call it, so long as there is an agreed standard. There is no advantage to calling it 12.56 rather than 10.56.

I'm not sure what you are arguing for or against, but places such as Canada have 6 time zones.

I'm saying in something the size of Europe it doesn't make much difference whether you all stick to one time zone or have several. Canada is much wider than Europe, so multiple time zones make more sense: London is 0°, Kiev is 30°E; Canada stretches from 52° W to 141° W.

You're cherry picking a bit there by picking the extremes of Canada, but not the extremes of Europe. It doesn't make much difference, but I'm happy with it as it is.

tailwindhome

tailwindhome said:

EU planning to stick with 'summer' time and stop changing the clocks forward and back

The UK currently aren't


Effectively putting NI and ROI into different time zones.

From Sept 2018

Except it'll be NI and GB in different time zones

Even more lol

rjsterry

TheBigBean said:

rjsterry said:

TheBigBean said:

rjsterry said:

TheBigBean said:

rjsterry said:

TheBigBean said:

kingstongraham said:

That's just "I don't like the EU' logic.

It's an argument that some decisions should be made more locally. Perfectly happy for it to be a devolved issue, so Scotland and choose another time zone.

Sort of surprised that Sturgeon hasn't already railed against the tyranny of English Time.

Interestingly, China has only one time zone "Beijing time", but in a few areas such as Xinjiang they operate local time as well as Beijing time. No idea if Beijing has now cracked down on this, but it furthers my point that time is a local issue.

As is most of Europe on CET. It rather makes the point that it doesn't matter what time you call it, so long as there is an agreed standard. There is no advantage to calling it 12.56 rather than 10.56.

I'm not sure what you are arguing for or against, but places such as Canada have 6 time zones.

I'm saying in something the size of Europe it doesn't make much difference whether you all stick to one time zone or have several. Canada is much wider than Europe, so multiple time zones make more sense: London is 0°, Kiev is 30°E; Canada stretches from 52° W to 141° W.

You're cherry picking a bit there by picking the extremes of Canada, but not the extremes of Europe. It doesn't make much difference, but I'm happy with it as it is.

This.

Dorset_Boy

Australia has at least 3 time zones and at one stage there was one that was on a half hour difference. And Perth to Sydney is similar to London to Moscow in distance. IIRC each State (or territory) sets its own time.
So long as changes from summer time to winter time occur on the same day, let the time be decided nationally.

tailwindhome

For a while Ireland used Dublin Time which was 25 minutes behind GMT.

Scrapped during WWI I think.

TheBigBean

tailwindhome said:

tailwindhome said:

EU planning to stick with 'summer' time and stop changing the clocks forward and back

The UK currently aren't


Effectively putting NI and ROI into different time zones.

From Sept 2018

Except it'll be NI and GB in different time zones

Even more lol

GB and NI will be on the same time which is why ROI is lobbying for a solution. Seems a ridiculous thing to try to regulate and to impose against a population's wishes.

Stevo_666

TheBigBean said:

tailwindhome said:

tailwindhome said:

EU planning to stick with 'summer' time and stop changing the clocks forward and back

The UK currently aren't


Effectively putting NI and ROI into different time zones.

From Sept 2018

Except it'll be NI and GB in different time zones

Even more lol

GB and NI will be on the same time which is why ROI is lobbying for a solution. Seems a ridiculous thing to try to regulate and to impose against a population's wishes.

It's the EU way.