BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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There is no minimum wage for his ageTheBigBean said:
Kid I spoke to earnt more than the minimum wage for his age. You can argue whether there should be different minimum wages, but that's a different matter.tailwindhome said:Opportunities to employ staff at below minimum wage aren't what was advertised
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He was paid more than the min wage for 16 year olds. Not sure this is all that relevant though.tailwindhome said:
There is no minimum wage for his ageTheBigBean said:
Kid I spoke to earnt more than the minimum wage for his age. You can argue whether there should be different minimum wages, but that's a different matter.tailwindhome said:Opportunities to employ staff at below minimum wage aren't what was advertised
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If the lack of EU workers is leading to an increase in 'opportunities' for 4.62/ hour kids instead of higher paid, higher skilled adults then it's not the Brexit upside either anticipated or championed on this thread. That's why it's relevant.TheBigBean said:
He was paid more than the min wage for 16 year olds. Not sure this is all that relevant though.tailwindhome said:
There is no minimum wage for his ageTheBigBean said:
Kid I spoke to earnt more than the minimum wage for his age. You can argue whether there should be different minimum wages, but that's a different matter.tailwindhome said:Opportunities to employ staff at below minimum wage aren't what was advertised
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Made about 15 grand being a voice for Dutch educational computer games 👍🏻👍🏻TheBigBean said:
I'm guessing you didn't do a part-time job when younger.rick_chasey said:It is something that to me feels very English; the rush for children to be grown ups.
They have the rest of their lives to work. Why the rush?0 -
Whether it is good or bad can be argued over. I have seen quite a few articles on the decline in availability of part-time jobs for kids - usually because of the amount of unskilled adult labour available, so I don't think this change was unexpected.tailwindhome said:
If the lack of EU workers is leading to an increase in 'opportunities' for 4.62/ hour kids instead of higher paid, higher skilled adults then it's not the Brexit upside either anticipated or championed on this thread. That's why it's relevant.TheBigBean said:
He was paid more than the min wage for 16 year olds. Not sure this is all that relevant though.tailwindhome said:
There is no minimum wage for his ageTheBigBean said:
Kid I spoke to earnt more than the minimum wage for his age. You can argue whether there should be different minimum wages, but that's a different matter.tailwindhome said:Opportunities to employ staff at below minimum wage aren't what was advertised
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Ok - let's stick it in the pro column
Ongoing CakeStop list of Brexit Upsides
1 - Replacing EU workers with under 16s in hospitality jobs (with no legal minimum wage)
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Though that should be I suppose offset with the barriers put in front of the same young people to work in hospitality in the EU
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
That's fair. You could extend your comment above to the young in general rather than focusing on one kid I met who happened to be 15.tailwindhome said:Though that should be I suppose offset with the barriers put in front of the same young people to work in hospitality in the EU
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Oh, can you add to the list being able to keep summer time, or is that on your bad list as it creates problems in Ireland.0
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3. Banning foie gras
4. Banning bottom trawling0 -
5. Easier for the kids to work in Aus0
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Foie gras was not produced in the UK. You can still import it. Cross that one off, I'm afraid.TheBigBean said:3. Banning foie gras
4. Banning bottom trawling1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
There is a plan to ban its import now. Add it back please.rjsterry said:
Foie gras was not produced in the UK. You can still import it. Cross that one off, I'm afraid.TheBigBean said:3. Banning foie gras
4. Banning bottom trawling
6. The government could remove VAT on utilities. A timely moment to do so.0 -
Under 26s could alway work in Oz. Cross that one off too.TheBigBean said:5. Easier for the kids to work in Aus
Now raised to 35, but I'd argue they are not kids. 😉The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
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TheBigBean said:
There is a plan to ban its import now. Add it back please.rjsterry said:
Foie gras was not produced in the UK. You can still import it. Cross that one off, I'm afraid.TheBigBean said:3. Banning foie gras
4. Banning bottom trawling
6. The government could remove VAT on utilities. A timely moment to do so.
Could we also ban all the animal produce from Australia that doesn't meet UK standards, but has been included in the trade deal with them?0 -
TheBigBean said:
4) the ability to negotiate trade deals specific to the needs of the U.K.Surrey Commuter wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:
But I am looking for specific positive outcomes. It not being quite as bad as it might have been is not being positive.
I will paraphrase one of your other comments;
Excuse the dodgy cutting and pasting
1) possibility for cheaper food
2) possibility to optimise the quantity and quality of immigrants
3) reduce red tape (I am not personally convinced
5) thousands more jobs in the civil service
6) save a couple of billion per year on contributions
I suspect 5 and 6 are mutually exclusive but am trying to be positive
Come on Wallace, Gromit and Steve you have managed only one positive outcome of Brexit when you argue that we are being negative for not seeing the "many options for positive outcomes"Point 5 doesn't make sense and sounds more like a criticism.
A few for you to consider:
- an end to an unlimited supply of unskilled workers, so the country will be forced to be more productive
- no longer subject to arbitrary "anti-dumping" tariffs that result in the UK paying more for something in a doomed attempt to protect Germany industry (e.g. solar panels)
- no longer subject to lowest common denominator regulation, so companies like Low Cost Holidays wouldn't be able to circumvent UK law by choosing the least regulated place to set up
- above point applies to professional qualifications too
- Amazon would no longer be able to pretend everything it sells to the UK is in some way actually being sold out Luxembourg
- regulation only where required rather than because it is possible to regulate (bananas, measurements whatever)
- it might be easier to live with non-EU spouses
- the government will have freedom over VAT and will therfore be able to either zero rate stuff or stop blaming the EU for it
- the government will not be subject to the same state aid provisions and could therefore subsidise an industry that it believes would be in the interests of the population
- an end to the ideas like bonus caps for bankers because bankers are all inherently evil. Either for all or for no one.
- the government would be able to choose whether to introduce legislation in the interests of the health of its citizens e.g. min price for alcohol. Also this wouldn't be circumvented by a booze cruise.
I could probably name a load of negatives too, but this forum specialises in those.
From Feb 2017. I wrote another list of negatives as well, for balance and all. Anyway, five years on, we can see whether any have happenend.
Edit - quotes are all messed up, so quote the wrong person.0 -
The terms are much more favourable for under 26s.pblakeney said:
Under 26s could alway work in Oz. Cross that one off too.TheBigBean said:5. Easier for the kids to work in Aus
Now raised to 35, but I'd argue they are not kids. 😉0 -
If we hadn't left the EU we'd have an agreed standard format for collating lists
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!1 -
Happy to include anything and everything as upsides, but we must agree they should be things that have happened rather than things that maybe could happen
Arguably, things that could happen, which were sold as a benefit, but didn't happen, should be on a different list.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Young people always could work in hospitality.TheBigBean said:
That's fair. You could extend your comment above to the young in general rather than focusing on one kid I met who happened to be 15.tailwindhome said:Though that should be I suppose offset with the barriers put in front of the same young people to work in hospitality in the EU
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
I'm not sure I agree with this. The SNP always struggled to distinguish between their policies and the options available to a new Scotland. So, for example, the SNP would like to remove Trident, but the argument they needed to make in the referendum was that Scotland could choose either way. I think that is a fair upside even if Scotland chose to retain it.tailwindhome said:Happy to include anything and everything as upsides, but we must agree they should be things that have happened rather than things that maybe could happen
Arguably, things that could happen, which were sold as a benefit, but didn't happen, should be on a different list.
Also, most of the items on my list are yet to happen, but there have been signals that they will happen.0 -
That wasn't your original quote.tailwindhome said:
Young people always could work in hospitality.TheBigBean said:
That's fair. You could extend your comment above to the young in general rather than focusing on one kid I met who happened to be 15.tailwindhome said:Though that should be I suppose offset with the barriers put in front of the same young people to work in hospitality in the EU
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7. Probably should add the busted flush OneWeb.0
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If we are just going to list things that might happen one day, then fill your boots.TheBigBean said:
There is a plan to ban its import now. Add it back please.rjsterry said:
Foie gras was not produced in the UK. You can still import it. Cross that one off, I'm afraid.TheBigBean said:3. Banning foie gras
4. Banning bottom trawling
6. The government could remove VAT on utilities. A timely moment to do so.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
That's unfair. It is going to be part of the new Animals Abroad Bill along with a load of other stuff. Of course, it hasn't been signed into law yet, but it's closer than you are suggesting.rjsterry said:
If we are just going to list things that might happen one day, then fill your boots.TheBigBean said:
There is a plan to ban its import now. Add it back please.rjsterry said:
Foie gras was not produced in the UK. You can still import it. Cross that one off, I'm afraid.TheBigBean said:3. Banning foie gras
4. Banning bottom trawling
6. The government could remove VAT on utilities. A timely moment to do so.0 -
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Who is going to oppose the bill?0
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Like I said I’ll believe it when it happens.
It sounds absolutely like the kind of stuff the govt floats and never does anything about.
Last minute scrub outs etc.
A lot of high end London restaurants will be livid, as will plenty of doners.
I’d be very mildly disappointed too.0
