BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Would you mind explaining or putting up a link for those of us who can not abide the Twitter formattailwindhome said:
This post/twitter thread should be getting more of your attentionddraver said:
Particularly this bit
We're stumbling back to No (trade&cooperation) Deal territory0 -
With regard to the shortage of HGV drivers in the UK would you say that Brexit has made the problem better, same or worse?Stevo_666 said:
Good luck with your increasingly desperate search for the big problem that 'proves' your predetermined view. The last few have all fallen by the waysidekingstongraham said:Stevo_666 said:
It would be useful the for you to list out the other issues as you see them. It does appear that you are agreeing with my point about the various causes.pangolin said:BB don't fall for Stevo's narrative that anyone here thinks this is 100% brexit's fault. I see today he's also tacked "and long lasting" onto the strawman he's arguing against.
Have you now decided there are issues, and Brexit is partially the cause of some of them?
If so, I think you've now moved in line with where the majority opinion on here has been for a while.
All you need to do to get back in synch with the Conservative party line is to say that if you think about it, the problems where Brexit is a factor are, in fact, good.
The view of some seems to be 'well it wasn't this one, but there must be another problem coming - please let it happen...'0 -
tailwindhome said:
Seems Frost is planning to censored on it on TuesdayTheBigBean said:
I imagine it can all change by Weds when countries are asked for their sign off.tailwindhome said:
This post/twitter thread should be getting more of your attentionddraver said:
Particularly this bit
We're stumbling back to No (trade&cooperation) Deal territory
I start to wonder if the real aim is to try to destabilise the EU itself by making unreasonable demands in order to try to find fractures in the EU. After all, it's the only way the UK can pretend to be a big player, if its powerful nearest trading bloc is consigned to history.0 -
That was always the brexiter hopebriantrumpet said:tailwindhome said:
Seems Frost is planning to censored on it on TuesdayTheBigBean said:
I imagine it can all change by Weds when countries are asked for their sign off.tailwindhome said:
This post/twitter thread should be getting more of your attentionddraver said:
Particularly this bit
We're stumbling back to No (trade&cooperation) Deal territory
I start to wonder if the real aim is to try to destabilise the EU itself by making unreasonable demands in order to try to find fractures in the EU. After all, it's the only way the UK can pretend to be a big player, if its powerful nearest trading bloc is consigned to history.0 -
rick_chasey said:
That was always the brexiter hopebriantrumpet said:tailwindhome said:
Seems Frost is planning to censored on it on TuesdayTheBigBean said:
I imagine it can all change by Weds when countries are asked for their sign off.tailwindhome said:
This post/twitter thread should be getting more of your attentionddraver said:
Particularly this bit
We're stumbling back to No (trade&cooperation) Deal territory
I start to wonder if the real aim is to try to destabilise the EU itself by making unreasonable demands in order to try to find fractures in the EU. After all, it's the only way the UK can pretend to be a big player, if its powerful nearest trading bloc is consigned to history.
Indeed, but it does seem Wrecker Frost's new brief is to annoy the French as much as possible, which might be fun (and easy), except we get 12% of our 'lectric from them now. Well, and pÏssing off the neighbours generally isn't the best policy in the long term.0 -
I already gave the blueprint for thisbriantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:
That was always the brexiter hopebriantrumpet said:tailwindhome said:
Seems Frost is planning to censored on it on TuesdayTheBigBean said:
I imagine it can all change by Weds when countries are asked for their sign off.tailwindhome said:
This post/twitter thread should be getting more of your attentionddraver said:
Particularly this bit
We're stumbling back to No (trade&cooperation) Deal territory
I start to wonder if the real aim is to try to destabilise the EU itself by making unreasonable demands in order to try to find fractures in the EU. After all, it's the only way the UK can pretend to be a big player, if its powerful nearest trading bloc is consigned to history.
Indeed, but it does seem Wrecker Frost's new brief is to annoy the French as much as possible, which might be fun (and easy), except we get 12% of our 'lectric from them now. Well, and pÏssing off the neighbours generally isn't the best policy in the long term.0 -
You're not a believer that the UK is trying to keep the peace in NI?briantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:
That was always the brexiter hopebriantrumpet said:tailwindhome said:
Seems Frost is planning to censored on it on TuesdayTheBigBean said:
I imagine it can all change by Weds when countries are asked for their sign off.tailwindhome said:
This post/twitter thread should be getting more of your attentionddraver said:
Particularly this bit
We're stumbling back to No (trade&cooperation) Deal territory
I start to wonder if the real aim is to try to destabilise the EU itself by making unreasonable demands in order to try to find fractures in the EU. After all, it's the only way the UK can pretend to be a big player, if its powerful nearest trading bloc is consigned to history.
Indeed, but it does seem Wrecker Frost's new brief is to annoy the French as much as possible, which might be fun (and easy), except we get 12% of our 'lectric from them now. Well, and pÏssing off the neighbours generally isn't the best policy in the long term.
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Post referendum it soon became obvious that their hatred was not confined to our membership but was about the EU itselfrick_chasey said:
That was always the brexiter hopebriantrumpet said:tailwindhome said:
Seems Frost is planning to censored on it on TuesdayTheBigBean said:
I imagine it can all change by Weds when countries are asked for their sign off.tailwindhome said:
This post/twitter thread should be getting more of your attentionddraver said:
Particularly this bit
We're stumbling back to No (trade&cooperation) Deal territory
I start to wonder if the real aim is to try to destabilise the EU itself by making unreasonable demands in order to try to find fractures in the EU. After all, it's the only way the UK can pretend to be a big player, if its powerful nearest trading bloc is consigned to history.0 -
Mildly ironic that Brexiters in charge have governed and executed the negotiations and trade deal so badly that the Uk performance is acting as a deterrent for other nations leaving the EU.surrey_commuter said:
Post referendum it soon became obvious that their hatred was not confined to our membership but was about the EU itselfrick_chasey said:
That was always the brexiter hopebriantrumpet said:tailwindhome said:
Seems Frost is planning to censored on it on TuesdayTheBigBean said:
I imagine it can all change by Weds when countries are asked for their sign off.tailwindhome said:
This post/twitter thread should be getting more of your attentionddraver said:
Particularly this bit
We're stumbling back to No (trade&cooperation) Deal territory
I start to wonder if the real aim is to try to destabilise the EU itself by making unreasonable demands in order to try to find fractures in the EU. After all, it's the only way the UK can pretend to be a big player, if its powerful nearest trading bloc is consigned to history.
Had they not been quite so high on their own farts and worked practically they’d have at least given the EU something to think about.0 -
It strikes me, because I've been watching the odd youtube motorbike review, that the size of the global influence the EU has is seriously underestimated in the UK.
When you watch a US/Australian review of a Japanese bike explain that (negative) changes were made because they had to update the engine to adhere from Euro 4 to Euro 5 emissions regulations it's quite striking...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Pff, just wait until we legislate back to ye olde imperial and they have to start rating engine efficiency in furlongs to the spaffddraver said:It strikes me, because I've been watching the odd youtube motorbike review, that the size of the global influence the EU has is seriously underestimated in the UK.
When you watch a US/Australian review of a Japanese bike explain that (negative) changes were made because they had to update the engine to adhere from Euro 4 to Euro 5 emissions regulations it's quite striking...- Genesis Croix de Fer
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TheBigBean said:
You're not a believer that the UK is trying to keep the peace in NI?briantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:
That was always the brexiter hopebriantrumpet said:tailwindhome said:
Seems Frost is planning to censored on it on TuesdayTheBigBean said:
I imagine it can all change by Weds when countries are asked for their sign off.tailwindhome said:
This post/twitter thread should be getting more of your attentionddraver said:
Particularly this bit
We're stumbling back to No (trade&cooperation) Deal territory
I start to wonder if the real aim is to try to destabilise the EU itself by making unreasonable demands in order to try to find fractures in the EU. After all, it's the only way the UK can pretend to be a big player, if its powerful nearest trading bloc is consigned to history.
Indeed, but it does seem Wrecker Frost's new brief is to annoy the French as much as possible, which might be fun (and easy), except we get 12% of our 'lectric from them now. Well, and pÏssing off the neighbours generally isn't the best policy in the long term.
No.
If they cared one iota about the people of island of Ireland, they'd have not pushed this hard Brexit nonsense, which, has been pointed out ad nauseam in this thread, contained an un reconcilable flaw with regards to the Good Friday Agreement.
The way that Frost is going on is increasingly leading me to think that they really do want to wreck stuff, so that they can salvage the bits that the loons want. Everything else is collateral.0 -
Big queues for the Shell petrol station on the A24 this afternoon near Dial Post.0
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If by the UK you mean the present government, then I don't think it's high on the list, no.TheBigBean said:
You're not a believer that the UK is trying to keep the peace in NI?briantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:
That was always the brexiter hopebriantrumpet said:tailwindhome said:
Seems Frost is planning to censored on it on TuesdayTheBigBean said:
I imagine it can all change by Weds when countries are asked for their sign off.tailwindhome said:
This post/twitter thread should be getting more of your attentionddraver said:
Particularly this bit
We're stumbling back to No (trade&cooperation) Deal territory
I start to wonder if the real aim is to try to destabilise the EU itself by making unreasonable demands in order to try to find fractures in the EU. After all, it's the only way the UK can pretend to be a big player, if its powerful nearest trading bloc is consigned to history.
Indeed, but it does seem Wrecker Frost's new brief is to annoy the French as much as possible, which might be fun (and easy), except we get 12% of our 'lectric from them now. Well, and pÏssing off the neighbours generally isn't the best policy in the long term.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
I'm expecting a reply along the lines of "No I don't think Brexit is the only reason for a shortage of HGV drivers" or "all the shops and petrol stations near me are fully stocked, what shortage of HGV drivers?".surrey_commuter said:
With regard to the shortage of HGV drivers in the UK would you say that Brexit has made the problem better, same or worse?Stevo_666 said:
Good luck with your increasingly desperate search for the big problem that 'proves' your predetermined view. The last few have all fallen by the waysidekingstongraham said:Stevo_666 said:
It would be useful the for you to list out the other issues as you see them. It does appear that you are agreeing with my point about the various causes.pangolin said:BB don't fall for Stevo's narrative that anyone here thinks this is 100% brexit's fault. I see today he's also tacked "and long lasting" onto the strawman he's arguing against.
Have you now decided there are issues, and Brexit is partially the cause of some of them?
If so, I think you've now moved in line with where the majority opinion on here has been for a while.
All you need to do to get back in synch with the Conservative party line is to say that if you think about it, the problems where Brexit is a factor are, in fact, good.
The view of some seems to be 'well it wasn't this one, but there must be another problem coming - please let it happen...'0 -
US basically saying “enough talk about strategic autonomy just get on with it” to the EU 😬
I guess you’d be long EU defence firms…0 -
The fact that the previous red line ("sausages") was resolved and then replaced pretty much immediately with another red line suggests to me that, no, this is all about keeping a fight with Eurasia...sorry, the EU...goingWe're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Absolutely not.TheBigBean said:
You're not a believer that the UK is trying to keep the peace in NI?briantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:
That was always the brexiter hopebriantrumpet said:tailwindhome said:
Seems Frost is planning to censored on it on TuesdayTheBigBean said:
I imagine it can all change by Weds when countries are asked for their sign off.tailwindhome said:
This post/twitter thread should be getting more of your attentionddraver said:
Particularly this bit
We're stumbling back to No (trade&cooperation) Deal territory
I start to wonder if the real aim is to try to destabilise the EU itself by making unreasonable demands in order to try to find fractures in the EU. After all, it's the only way the UK can pretend to be a big player, if its powerful nearest trading bloc is consigned to history.
Indeed, but it does seem Wrecker Frost's new brief is to annoy the French as much as possible, which might be fun (and easy), except we get 12% of our 'lectric from them now. Well, and pÏssing off the neighbours generally isn't the best policy in the long term.
This Johnson government (I won't call it Conservative, as that wouldn't be fair to the Conservative party) has played fast and loose with peace on the island of Ireland.
NI was always a Brexit afterthought and the purity of the Brexit was always placed on a much higher pedestal then any considerations for the peoples over there living it.
NI has been treated like it is a nuisance and an irritant to this Government. Peace and the people of NI are being used as a pawn and it's disgraceful.
All of the points that Frost is now crying about were highlighted on this thread at the time the deal was being signed and heralded as the greatest thing ever. They are either utterly incompetent or disingenuous charlatans. I'm not sure which is worse tbh.0 -
Disingenuous is definitely worse as that is a considered action.skyblueamateur said:...They are either utterly incompetent or disingenuous charlatans. I'm not sure which is worse tbh.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
If the BoJo govt was serious about NI peace they’d have either voted for May’s backstop solution or, preferably, not left the single market.
The lies about “no border in the Irish Sea” does not persuade me that this govt is serious about NI peace and the interests of NI.
I don’t know much about the whole separatist movements in NI, Scotland or Wales but even I can tell this is an English first government.0 -
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People making the economic case for anti immigration and not a higher minimum wage should note that David Ward, the Economist, has won the economics Nobel prize for his empirical (ie digging out actual evidence) on the impact of these on labour.
Won’t come as a surprise to hear immigration according to his research has no impact on local wages and minimum wages don’t increase unemployment.0 -
There were news stories last week that the minimum wage (for over 23s) will be rising to £9.42.rick_chasey said:People making the economic case for anti immigration and not a higher minimum wage should note that David Ward, the Economist, has won the economics Nobel prize for his empirical (ie digging out actual evidence) on the impact of these on labour.
Won’t come as a surprise to hear immigration according to his research has no impact on local wages and minimum wages don’t increase unemployment.
Won't happen until Johnson comes back from Zac's villa though.0 -
Populist would be nobody on minimum wage paying income tax.
Raise the threshold and reduce UC to balance the books.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
rick_chasey said:
Could do without the threat of a trade war with the EU,
But trade wars always work out so well...
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It does seem that the EU is getting bored of NI stuff. Not sure the exit is as easy to find as the entrance though.0
