BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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I get you are being a smaatarse but I am trying to understand your point of why it was wrong to buy petrol before the queues and shortages got bad?pblakeney said:
It would be if there were queues a mile long on the Sunday. 😉surrey_commuter said:
No need to panic on Thursday.pblakeney said:
Conclusion. People should have panicked more on Thursday?surrey_commuter said:
Your last sentence perfectly sums it up.DeVlaeminck said:
Yes I put £75 in at 6am this morning - I needed to get somewhere by car today and saw no point in putting £30 in and possibly having to get up at 5am and try multiple petrol stations again on Tuesday or Wednesday if I could put enough in to last me at least til next weekend.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:
Drove out to Leith Hill from Kingston. Every petrol station we passed had massive queues except one that had a sign saying "no unleaded".pblakeney said:Strange thing today out on the bike. I passed loads of garages. No queues and no signs saying sold out. Muppets must feel silly. I hope so.
It was causing traffic jams at the hook junction with the a3 and at the leatherhead roundabout near Box Hill. It's crazy out there.
I bet you if you quizzed most of those drivers, each one would deny they are panic buying, but would come up with some reason why they had to queue to fill their tank to the top today.
It's just a collective action problem really - individually rational actions are producing a collectively sub optimal outcome.
The tales of woe from people unable to make journeys important to to them just baffles me that that did not plan ahead on Thursday.
If I needed a rail ticket on a Monday and I bought it on Sunday to avoid the inevitable long queues would that be a panic buy?
You'd be doing it online, so say the system crashed, then yes too.
It seemed blindingly obvious to me that when Boris said "there are no shortages and no reason to panic" that you should fill up your tank the next time you reached a filling station.
That makes far more sense to me than the bloke crying on FB that he can't make his long planned essential trip on Sunday as he has no fuel0 -
I just heard on the radio that this is trueddraver said:Joke? Who can tell any more?
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Being the first stone doesn't mean you aren't part of a landslide.surrey_commuter said:
I get you are being a smaatarse but I am trying to understand your point of why it was wrong to buy petrol before the queues and shortages got bad?pblakeney said:
It would be if there were queues a mile long on the Sunday. 😉surrey_commuter said:
No need to panic on Thursday.pblakeney said:
Conclusion. People should have panicked more on Thursday?surrey_commuter said:
Your last sentence perfectly sums it up.DeVlaeminck said:
Yes I put £75 in at 6am this morning - I needed to get somewhere by car today and saw no point in putting £30 in and possibly having to get up at 5am and try multiple petrol stations again on Tuesday or Wednesday if I could put enough in to last me at least til next weekend.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:
Drove out to Leith Hill from Kingston. Every petrol station we passed had massive queues except one that had a sign saying "no unleaded".pblakeney said:Strange thing today out on the bike. I passed loads of garages. No queues and no signs saying sold out. Muppets must feel silly. I hope so.
It was causing traffic jams at the hook junction with the a3 and at the leatherhead roundabout near Box Hill. It's crazy out there.
I bet you if you quizzed most of those drivers, each one would deny they are panic buying, but would come up with some reason why they had to queue to fill their tank to the top today.
It's just a collective action problem really - individually rational actions are producing a collectively sub optimal outcome.
The tales of woe from people unable to make journeys important to to them just baffles me that that did not plan ahead on Thursday.
If I needed a rail ticket on a Monday and I bought it on Sunday to avoid the inevitable long queues would that be a panic buy?
You'd be doing it online, so say the system crashed, then yes too.
It seemed blindingly obvious to me that when Boris said "there are no shortages and no reason to panic" that you should fill up your tank the next time you reached a filling station.
That makes far more sense to me than the bloke crying on FB that he can't make his long planned essential trip on Sunday as he has no fuel0 -
Went to a sailing event on Wednesday with 100 miles gone out the tank and had to fill up at Bristol and carried on to Torquay. Drove from their back on Sunday again To Cumbria with 100 miles out the tank and filled up in Gloucester. I had to modify my behaviour as normally I would have got down to last 50 miles between fill ups.
I am willing to hazard a bet that if every motorist in an area goes and fills their tank then this volume will wipe out a fair few petrol stations stock. Petrol station tanks generally are not many multiples of a tanker in size as it has a shelf life and it is a hazard to store. The media have created the problem and the people have completed the process.0 -
Is the logic here:surrey_commuter said:
I get you are being a smaatarse but I am trying to understand your point of why it was wrong to buy petrol before the queues and shortages got bad?pblakeney said:
It would be if there were queues a mile long on the Sunday. 😉surrey_commuter said:
No need to panic on Thursday.pblakeney said:
Conclusion. People should have panicked more on Thursday?surrey_commuter said:
Your last sentence perfectly sums it up.DeVlaeminck said:
Yes I put £75 in at 6am this morning - I needed to get somewhere by car today and saw no point in putting £30 in and possibly having to get up at 5am and try multiple petrol stations again on Tuesday or Wednesday if I could put enough in to last me at least til next weekend.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:
Drove out to Leith Hill from Kingston. Every petrol station we passed had massive queues except one that had a sign saying "no unleaded".pblakeney said:Strange thing today out on the bike. I passed loads of garages. No queues and no signs saying sold out. Muppets must feel silly. I hope so.
It was causing traffic jams at the hook junction with the a3 and at the leatherhead roundabout near Box Hill. It's crazy out there.
I bet you if you quizzed most of those drivers, each one would deny they are panic buying, but would come up with some reason why they had to queue to fill their tank to the top today.
It's just a collective action problem really - individually rational actions are producing a collectively sub optimal outcome.
The tales of woe from people unable to make journeys important to to them just baffles me that that did not plan ahead on Thursday.
If I needed a rail ticket on a Monday and I bought it on Sunday to avoid the inevitable long queues would that be a panic buy?
You'd be doing it online, so say the system crashed, then yes too.
It seemed blindingly obvious to me that when Boris said "there are no shortages and no reason to panic" that you should fill up your tank the next time you reached a filling station.
That makes far more sense to me than the bloke crying on FB that he can't make his long planned essential trip on Sunday as he has no fuel
a) Boris says there is no shortage, so there is an actual shortage, so I should fill up
or
b) Boris (or anyone in Govt) has said there is no shortage, so people will panic and cause a brief one, so I should fill up if I need petrol in the next week- Genesis Croix de Fer
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I think it utterly depends on individual circumstances.surrey_commuter said:
I get you are being a smaatarse but I am trying to understand your point of why it was wrong to buy petrol before the queues and shortages got bad?pblakeney said:
It would be if there were queues a mile long on the Sunday. 😉surrey_commuter said:
No need to panic on Thursday.pblakeney said:
Conclusion. People should have panicked more on Thursday?surrey_commuter said:
Your last sentence perfectly sums it up.DeVlaeminck said:
Yes I put £75 in at 6am this morning - I needed to get somewhere by car today and saw no point in putting £30 in and possibly having to get up at 5am and try multiple petrol stations again on Tuesday or Wednesday if I could put enough in to last me at least til next weekend.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:
Drove out to Leith Hill from Kingston. Every petrol station we passed had massive queues except one that had a sign saying "no unleaded".pblakeney said:Strange thing today out on the bike. I passed loads of garages. No queues and no signs saying sold out. Muppets must feel silly. I hope so.
It was causing traffic jams at the hook junction with the a3 and at the leatherhead roundabout near Box Hill. It's crazy out there.
I bet you if you quizzed most of those drivers, each one would deny they are panic buying, but would come up with some reason why they had to queue to fill their tank to the top today.
It's just a collective action problem really - individually rational actions are producing a collectively sub optimal outcome.
The tales of woe from people unable to make journeys important to to them just baffles me that that did not plan ahead on Thursday.
If I needed a rail ticket on a Monday and I bought it on Sunday to avoid the inevitable long queues would that be a panic buy?
You'd be doing it online, so say the system crashed, then yes too.
It seemed blindingly obvious to me that when Boris said "there are no shortages and no reason to panic" that you should fill up your tank the next time you reached a filling station.
That makes far more sense to me than the bloke crying on FB that he can't make his long planned essential trip on Sunday as he has no fuel
Bringing your planned brimming of the tank forward 1 or 2 days when you pass somewhere with no queue is a good idea...
Bringing it forward a week and joining a mile long queue is a waste of your time.0 -
People filling up outside their normal decision making process are the idiots buying toilet roll. They screw everyone else over but make not link between their actions and the outcome. If you filled a tank up as required you should have continued to do so. If you were one of those guys that put a tenner in at a time you should have continued to do that. Letting people off the hook for their actions allows people to keep being idiots.0
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if there were no supply problems then Boris would not feel the need to state it. I don't watch the 9pm news but I am guessing they don't have Boris on every night telling in which areas there are no shortages.pangolin said:
Is the logic here:surrey_commuter said:
I get you are being a smaatarse but I am trying to understand your point of why it was wrong to buy petrol before the queues and shortages got bad?pblakeney said:
It would be if there were queues a mile long on the Sunday. 😉surrey_commuter said:
No need to panic on Thursday.pblakeney said:
Conclusion. People should have panicked more on Thursday?surrey_commuter said:
Your last sentence perfectly sums it up.DeVlaeminck said:
Yes I put £75 in at 6am this morning - I needed to get somewhere by car today and saw no point in putting £30 in and possibly having to get up at 5am and try multiple petrol stations again on Tuesday or Wednesday if I could put enough in to last me at least til next weekend.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:
Drove out to Leith Hill from Kingston. Every petrol station we passed had massive queues except one that had a sign saying "no unleaded".pblakeney said:Strange thing today out on the bike. I passed loads of garages. No queues and no signs saying sold out. Muppets must feel silly. I hope so.
It was causing traffic jams at the hook junction with the a3 and at the leatherhead roundabout near Box Hill. It's crazy out there.
I bet you if you quizzed most of those drivers, each one would deny they are panic buying, but would come up with some reason why they had to queue to fill their tank to the top today.
It's just a collective action problem really - individually rational actions are producing a collectively sub optimal outcome.
The tales of woe from people unable to make journeys important to to them just baffles me that that did not plan ahead on Thursday.
If I needed a rail ticket on a Monday and I bought it on Sunday to avoid the inevitable long queues would that be a panic buy?
You'd be doing it online, so say the system crashed, then yes too.
It seemed blindingly obvious to me that when Boris said "there are no shortages and no reason to panic" that you should fill up your tank the next time you reached a filling station.
That makes far more sense to me than the bloke crying on FB that he can't make his long planned essential trip on Sunday as he has no fuel
a) Boris says there is no shortage, so there is an actual shortage, so I should fill up
or
b) Boris (or anyone in Govt) has said there is no shortage, so people will panic and cause a brief one, so I should fill up if I need petrol in the next week
and yes the moment he said it there were guaranteed shortages.
I am really struggling with the fact that you lot could not see what was coming and to act accordingly0 -
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!1 -
The media have down their job and reported the news, the public have acted rationally when told of impending shortagesjohn80 said:Went to a sailing event on Wednesday with 100 miles gone out the tank and had to fill up at Bristol and carried on to Torquay. Drove from their back on Sunday again To Cumbria with 100 miles out the tank and filled up in Gloucester. I had to modify my behaviour as normally I would have got down to last 50 miles between fill ups.
I am willing to hazard a bet that if every motorist in an area goes and fills their tank then this volume will wipe out a fair few petrol stations stock. Petrol station tanks generally are not many multiples of a tanker in size as it has a shelf life and it is a hazard to store. The media have created the problem and the people have completed the process.1 -
TheBigBean said:
Yes, Rick's basic point is fine. It's just that the exception (farmers) also don't stockpile petrol, because they stockpile red diesel. I wouldn't have commented, but it follows on from discussion on rural things the other day.surrey_commuter said:
His poor sentence construction leaves an element of doubt about his meaningTheBigBean said:
It's Rick's amazing ability to create argument out of nothing! (I presume he will disagree with this).briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:
Yes, so a trip to Tesco is the same risk as everyone else, but the farming business carries on as normal.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:
Not in their cars, of course, but all farm vehicles can use red provided they are not on public roads.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:
They won't be buying petrol when they can buy tax free diesel. Better insight?rick_chasey said:Thanks for that insight.
Only in tractors. It's fairly regularly policed (or used to be), and farmers using red diesel in their Land Rovers prosecuted.
Indeed, but in practice, they use cars and other vehicles (tractors excepted) like the rest of us. It's hardly practical to drive a tractor to do the weekly shop at Tesco. Some of them might have a separate tank for road diesel, but the advantage is minimal - really just the convenience, but with the added risk of theft of something you're prepaid a lot of tax on.
I'm not sure what we're arguing here, or why. But yes, the tractors won't stop working the land because of a temporary petrol shortage...
I wouldn't trust anyone not on a farm who stockpiles petrol.
but surely he is saying that he does not think that the public have the correct facilities to safely store petrol.
Then in true CS fashion posters queued up to dream up exceptional circumstances where this was not true.
I do accept that I am, on this occasion, guilty of the pointless cake stop bickering that I dislike.
Haha. Fair enough.0 -
surrey_commuter said:
I think we laughed at that yesterdayStevo_666 said:
The bigger issue is clearly idiots panic buying. Not helped by idiots spreading scare stories around on the Internet.kingstongraham said:
I'd say there isn't panic buying now, just long queues and shortages.surrey_commuter said:
I could chose another analogy where pre-planning your life saved you inconvenience whilst those unwilling to think ahead accused you of panicking but I think we both know it would be pointlesskingstongraham said:
If you normally buy it on Monday, and buying it on Sunday for some obscure reason meant that people wanting to travel later on Sunday couldn't, then yes.surrey_commuter said:
No need to panic on Thursday.pblakeney said:
Conclusion. People should have panicked more on Thursday?surrey_commuter said:
Your last sentence perfectly sums it up.DeVlaeminck said:
Yes I put £75 in at 6am this morning - I needed to get somewhere by car today and saw no point in putting £30 in and possibly having to get up at 5am and try multiple petrol stations again on Tuesday or Wednesday if I could put enough in to last me at least til next weekend.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:
Drove out to Leith Hill from Kingston. Every petrol station we passed had massive queues except one that had a sign saying "no unleaded".pblakeney said:Strange thing today out on the bike. I passed loads of garages. No queues and no signs saying sold out. Muppets must feel silly. I hope so.
It was causing traffic jams at the hook junction with the a3 and at the leatherhead roundabout near Box Hill. It's crazy out there.
I bet you if you quizzed most of those drivers, each one would deny they are panic buying, but would come up with some reason why they had to queue to fill their tank to the top today.
It's just a collective action problem really - individually rational actions are producing a collectively sub optimal outcome.
The tales of woe from people unable to make journeys important to to them just baffles me that that did not plan ahead on Thursday.
If I needed a rail ticket on a Monday and I bought it on Sunday to avoid the inevitable long queues would that be a panic buy?
I don't think you get away with it being not a panic buy just because you started the ball rolling.
But obviously, individually not irrational.
But if you think there is panic buying, then buying early because you think there will be a shortage and long queues is basically the origin story.
There is also a question mark about whether those with an agenda were trying to cause a problem:
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/09/26/haulage-body-anti-brexit-drive-behind-fuel-crisis-leak-claim/
And I laughed at it again today.0 -
Has anyone on here actually run out / been seriously inconvenienced? I've only got about 1/3 tank but don't really need to drive anywhere this week.surrey_commuter said:
if there were no supply problems then Boris would not feel the need to state it. I don't watch the 9pm news but I am guessing they don't have Boris on every night telling in which areas there are no shortages.pangolin said:
Is the logic here:surrey_commuter said:
I get you are being a smaatarse but I am trying to understand your point of why it was wrong to buy petrol before the queues and shortages got bad?pblakeney said:
It would be if there were queues a mile long on the Sunday. 😉surrey_commuter said:
No need to panic on Thursday.pblakeney said:
Conclusion. People should have panicked more on Thursday?surrey_commuter said:
Your last sentence perfectly sums it up.DeVlaeminck said:
Yes I put £75 in at 6am this morning - I needed to get somewhere by car today and saw no point in putting £30 in and possibly having to get up at 5am and try multiple petrol stations again on Tuesday or Wednesday if I could put enough in to last me at least til next weekend.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:
Drove out to Leith Hill from Kingston. Every petrol station we passed had massive queues except one that had a sign saying "no unleaded".pblakeney said:Strange thing today out on the bike. I passed loads of garages. No queues and no signs saying sold out. Muppets must feel silly. I hope so.
It was causing traffic jams at the hook junction with the a3 and at the leatherhead roundabout near Box Hill. It's crazy out there.
I bet you if you quizzed most of those drivers, each one would deny they are panic buying, but would come up with some reason why they had to queue to fill their tank to the top today.
It's just a collective action problem really - individually rational actions are producing a collectively sub optimal outcome.
The tales of woe from people unable to make journeys important to to them just baffles me that that did not plan ahead on Thursday.
If I needed a rail ticket on a Monday and I bought it on Sunday to avoid the inevitable long queues would that be a panic buy?
You'd be doing it online, so say the system crashed, then yes too.
It seemed blindingly obvious to me that when Boris said "there are no shortages and no reason to panic" that you should fill up your tank the next time you reached a filling station.
That makes far more sense to me than the bloke crying on FB that he can't make his long planned essential trip on Sunday as he has no fuel
a) Boris says there is no shortage, so there is an actual shortage, so I should fill up
or
b) Boris (or anyone in Govt) has said there is no shortage, so people will panic and cause a brief one, so I should fill up if I need petrol in the next week
and yes the moment he said it there were guaranteed shortages.
I am really struggling with the fact that you lot could not see what was coming and to act accordingly- Genesis Croix de Fer
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If there is a serious serious shortage and it's going to be long lasting, stocking up only really buys you a few more days driving if you drive a lot. If you don't drive a lot then you can probably get by without a car for a while anyway.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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In some people's defence, I was close. I work in a lovely little remote Cornish fishing village, which is nice, but it takes a while, and motorised transport, to get there. Having been sensible on Friday with my fill up I wouldnt have been able to drive today had I not found an open station last night.pangolin said:
Has anyone on here actually run out / been seriously inconvenienced? I've only got about 1/3 tank but don't really need to drive anywhere this week.surrey_commuter said:
if there were no supply problems then Boris would not feel the need to state it. I don't watch the 9pm news but I am guessing they don't have Boris on every night telling in which areas there are no shortages.pangolin said:
Is the logic here:surrey_commuter said:
I get you are being a smaatarse but I am trying to understand your point of why it was wrong to buy petrol before the queues and shortages got bad?pblakeney said:
It would be if there were queues a mile long on the Sunday. 😉surrey_commuter said:
No need to panic on Thursday.pblakeney said:
Conclusion. People should have panicked more on Thursday?surrey_commuter said:
Your last sentence perfectly sums it up.DeVlaeminck said:
Yes I put £75 in at 6am this morning - I needed to get somewhere by car today and saw no point in putting £30 in and possibly having to get up at 5am and try multiple petrol stations again on Tuesday or Wednesday if I could put enough in to last me at least til next weekend.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:
Drove out to Leith Hill from Kingston. Every petrol station we passed had massive queues except one that had a sign saying "no unleaded".pblakeney said:Strange thing today out on the bike. I passed loads of garages. No queues and no signs saying sold out. Muppets must feel silly. I hope so.
It was causing traffic jams at the hook junction with the a3 and at the leatherhead roundabout near Box Hill. It's crazy out there.
I bet you if you quizzed most of those drivers, each one would deny they are panic buying, but would come up with some reason why they had to queue to fill their tank to the top today.
It's just a collective action problem really - individually rational actions are producing a collectively sub optimal outcome.
The tales of woe from people unable to make journeys important to to them just baffles me that that did not plan ahead on Thursday.
If I needed a rail ticket on a Monday and I bought it on Sunday to avoid the inevitable long queues would that be a panic buy?
You'd be doing it online, so say the system crashed, then yes too.
It seemed blindingly obvious to me that when Boris said "there are no shortages and no reason to panic" that you should fill up your tank the next time you reached a filling station.
That makes far more sense to me than the bloke crying on FB that he can't make his long planned essential trip on Sunday as he has no fuel
a) Boris says there is no shortage, so there is an actual shortage, so I should fill up
or
b) Boris (or anyone in Govt) has said there is no shortage, so people will panic and cause a brief one, so I should fill up if I need petrol in the next week
and yes the moment he said it there were guaranteed shortages.
I am really struggling with the fact that you lot could not see what was coming and to act accordingly
As I've said though I can switch to my little bike but I am lucky in that respect.
(I guess that short answer to your question is still No though...)We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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I find it odd how much of a distinction people are putting on between a shortage of oil at refineries and a shortage of drivers to deliver fuel.
Surely to a consumer the results are the same.0 -
The Morecambe & Wise argumentJezyboy said:I find it odd how much of a distinction people are putting on between a shortage of oil at refineries and a shortage of drivers to deliver fuel.
Surely to a consumer the results are the same.
We have all the right fuel but it's in all the wrong places“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Yes. Needed to ferry elderly MiL back to Bristol for a hospital appointment and instead had to delay by a day and drag MiL through central London to get the coach. Not the end of the world, but a massive PITA.pangolin said:
Has anyone on here actually run out / been seriously inconvenienced? I've only got about 1/3 tank but don't really need to drive anywhere this week.surrey_commuter said:
if there were no supply problems then Boris would not feel the need to state it. I don't watch the 9pm news but I am guessing they don't have Boris on every night telling in which areas there are no shortages.pangolin said:
Is the logic here:surrey_commuter said:
I get you are being a smaatarse but I am trying to understand your point of why it was wrong to buy petrol before the queues and shortages got bad?pblakeney said:
It would be if there were queues a mile long on the Sunday. 😉surrey_commuter said:
No need to panic on Thursday.pblakeney said:
Conclusion. People should have panicked more on Thursday?surrey_commuter said:
Your last sentence perfectly sums it up.DeVlaeminck said:
Yes I put £75 in at 6am this morning - I needed to get somewhere by car today and saw no point in putting £30 in and possibly having to get up at 5am and try multiple petrol stations again on Tuesday or Wednesday if I could put enough in to last me at least til next weekend.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:
Drove out to Leith Hill from Kingston. Every petrol station we passed had massive queues except one that had a sign saying "no unleaded".pblakeney said:Strange thing today out on the bike. I passed loads of garages. No queues and no signs saying sold out. Muppets must feel silly. I hope so.
It was causing traffic jams at the hook junction with the a3 and at the leatherhead roundabout near Box Hill. It's crazy out there.
I bet you if you quizzed most of those drivers, each one would deny they are panic buying, but would come up with some reason why they had to queue to fill their tank to the top today.
It's just a collective action problem really - individually rational actions are producing a collectively sub optimal outcome.
The tales of woe from people unable to make journeys important to to them just baffles me that that did not plan ahead on Thursday.
If I needed a rail ticket on a Monday and I bought it on Sunday to avoid the inevitable long queues would that be a panic buy?
You'd be doing it online, so say the system crashed, then yes too.
It seemed blindingly obvious to me that when Boris said "there are no shortages and no reason to panic" that you should fill up your tank the next time you reached a filling station.
That makes far more sense to me than the bloke crying on FB that he can't make his long planned essential trip on Sunday as he has no fuel
a) Boris says there is no shortage, so there is an actual shortage, so I should fill up
or
b) Boris (or anyone in Govt) has said there is no shortage, so people will panic and cause a brief one, so I should fill up if I need petrol in the next week
and yes the moment he said it there were guaranteed shortages.
I am really struggling with the fact that you lot could not see what was coming and to act accordingly1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Simply put, if you would run out of petrol/diesel in the following week then it was a sensible action. If you wouldn't then it was stupid panicking. I'd guess most wouldn't run out. Neither my wife or myself have been to the garage for weeks, and she needs her car for work.surrey_commuter said:
I get you are being a smaatarse but I am trying to understand your point of why it was wrong to buy petrol before the queues and shortages got bad?pblakeney said:
It would be if there were queues a mile long on the Sunday. 😉surrey_commuter said:
No need to panic on Thursday.pblakeney said:
Conclusion. People should have panicked more on Thursday?surrey_commuter said:
Your last sentence perfectly sums it up.DeVlaeminck said:
Yes I put £75 in at 6am this morning - I needed to get somewhere by car today and saw no point in putting £30 in and possibly having to get up at 5am and try multiple petrol stations again on Tuesday or Wednesday if I could put enough in to last me at least til next weekend.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:
Drove out to Leith Hill from Kingston. Every petrol station we passed had massive queues except one that had a sign saying "no unleaded".pblakeney said:Strange thing today out on the bike. I passed loads of garages. No queues and no signs saying sold out. Muppets must feel silly. I hope so.
It was causing traffic jams at the hook junction with the a3 and at the leatherhead roundabout near Box Hill. It's crazy out there.
I bet you if you quizzed most of those drivers, each one would deny they are panic buying, but would come up with some reason why they had to queue to fill their tank to the top today.
It's just a collective action problem really - individually rational actions are producing a collectively sub optimal outcome.
The tales of woe from people unable to make journeys important to to them just baffles me that that did not plan ahead on Thursday.
If I needed a rail ticket on a Monday and I bought it on Sunday to avoid the inevitable long queues would that be a panic buy?
You'd be doing it online, so say the system crashed, then yes too.
It seemed blindingly obvious to me that when Boris said "there are no shortages and no reason to panic" that you should fill up your tank the next time you reached a filling station.
That makes far more sense to me than the bloke crying on FB that he can't make his long planned essential trip on Sunday as he has no fuelThe above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
What's the fuel situation in NI?tailwindhome said:
The Morecambe & Wise argumentJezyboy said:I find it odd how much of a distinction people are putting on between a shortage of oil at refineries and a shortage of drivers to deliver fuel.
Surely to a consumer the results are the same.
We have all the right fuel but it's in all the wrong places0 -
No shortages No queuesskyblueamateur said:
What's the fuel situation in NI?tailwindhome said:
The Morecambe & Wise argumentJezyboy said:I find it odd how much of a distinction people are putting on between a shortage of oil at refineries and a shortage of drivers to deliver fuel.
Surely to a consumer the results are the same.
We have all the right fuel but it's in all the wrong places
Some reports that ASDA have limited pay at pump to £30
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Same, have about 90 miles left of range, was planning on filling up on the drive back yesterday, but thought better of it when i saw the queues.pangolin said:
Has anyone on here actually run out / been seriously inconvenienced? I've only got about 1/3 tank but don't really need to drive anywhere this week.surrey_commuter said:
if there were no supply problems then Boris would not feel the need to state it. I don't watch the 9pm news but I am guessing they don't have Boris on every night telling in which areas there are no shortages.pangolin said:
Is the logic here:surrey_commuter said:
I get you are being a smaatarse but I am trying to understand your point of why it was wrong to buy petrol before the queues and shortages got bad?pblakeney said:
It would be if there were queues a mile long on the Sunday. 😉surrey_commuter said:
No need to panic on Thursday.pblakeney said:
Conclusion. People should have panicked more on Thursday?surrey_commuter said:
Your last sentence perfectly sums it up.DeVlaeminck said:
Yes I put £75 in at 6am this morning - I needed to get somewhere by car today and saw no point in putting £30 in and possibly having to get up at 5am and try multiple petrol stations again on Tuesday or Wednesday if I could put enough in to last me at least til next weekend.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:
Drove out to Leith Hill from Kingston. Every petrol station we passed had massive queues except one that had a sign saying "no unleaded".pblakeney said:Strange thing today out on the bike. I passed loads of garages. No queues and no signs saying sold out. Muppets must feel silly. I hope so.
It was causing traffic jams at the hook junction with the a3 and at the leatherhead roundabout near Box Hill. It's crazy out there.
I bet you if you quizzed most of those drivers, each one would deny they are panic buying, but would come up with some reason why they had to queue to fill their tank to the top today.
It's just a collective action problem really - individually rational actions are producing a collectively sub optimal outcome.
The tales of woe from people unable to make journeys important to to them just baffles me that that did not plan ahead on Thursday.
If I needed a rail ticket on a Monday and I bought it on Sunday to avoid the inevitable long queues would that be a panic buy?
You'd be doing it online, so say the system crashed, then yes too.
It seemed blindingly obvious to me that when Boris said "there are no shortages and no reason to panic" that you should fill up your tank the next time you reached a filling station.
That makes far more sense to me than the bloke crying on FB that he can't make his long planned essential trip on Sunday as he has no fuel
a) Boris says there is no shortage, so there is an actual shortage, so I should fill up
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b) Boris (or anyone in Govt) has said there is no shortage, so people will panic and cause a brief one, so I should fill up if I need petrol in the next week
and yes the moment he said it there were guaranteed shortages.
I am really struggling with the fact that you lot could not see what was coming and to act accordingly
We're purposely staying local during the week and if it's still an issue next weekend, will also stay local. Keeping the petrol we have in case we need to do any hospital visits or emergencies.
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If the media has said nothing would there have been people doing abnormal buying of fuel. There have been multiple sources in the fuel delivery business that say that deliveries were being carried out normally. What job do you think they have done other than create a shortage.surrey_commuter said:
The media have down their job and reported the news, the public have acted rationally when told of impending shortagesjohn80 said:Went to a sailing event on Wednesday with 100 miles gone out the tank and had to fill up at Bristol and carried on to Torquay. Drove from their back on Sunday again To Cumbria with 100 miles out the tank and filled up in Gloucester. I had to modify my behaviour as normally I would have got down to last 50 miles between fill ups.
I am willing to hazard a bet that if every motorist in an area goes and fills their tank then this volume will wipe out a fair few petrol stations stock. Petrol station tanks generally are not many multiples of a tanker in size as it has a shelf life and it is a hazard to store. The media have created the problem and the people have completed the process.
Should we enlarge the tanks at each petrol station by say 300% so that we can weather a storm created by a media and demonstrate that we have the resilience at each of these sites to allow every car in the UK to fill up within two days. You say they are being smart when I think they don't understand just in time delivery, efficiency and the environmental factors of not having a shed load of fuel at what often are urban sites.0 -
You sound like Matt Ridley.
Whilst on that topic can we take a moment to bask in the gloriousness that the Chairman who presided over the first run on a UK bank in 150 years was made a member of the house of lords 6 years after the event.0 -
Do the public not understand just in time?
Or do the government and petrol stations not understand the public.
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I love the idea that to Stevo because in his own experience he has not seen anything wrong that, by definition, there is not a problem.0
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I assume he drove to and from Liverpool with his eyes shut. That's the only way I can think that he wouldn't have noticed that something was up.
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I love the idea that in the days of Facebook and nextdoor, it would need the BBC to escalate this into a problem.1
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So John is not only promoting autarky whenever international trade is discussed, but is now arguing for limitations on reporting.john80 said:
If the media has said nothing would there have been people doing abnormal buying of fuel. There have been multiple sources in the fuel delivery business that say that deliveries were being carried out normally. What job do you think they have done other than create a shortage.surrey_commuter said:
The media have down their job and reported the news, the public have acted rationally when told of impending shortagesjohn80 said:Went to a sailing event on Wednesday with 100 miles gone out the tank and had to fill up at Bristol and carried on to Torquay. Drove from their back on Sunday again To Cumbria with 100 miles out the tank and filled up in Gloucester. I had to modify my behaviour as normally I would have got down to last 50 miles between fill ups.
I am willing to hazard a bet that if every motorist in an area goes and fills their tank then this volume will wipe out a fair few petrol stations stock. Petrol station tanks generally are not many multiples of a tanker in size as it has a shelf life and it is a hazard to store. The media have created the problem and the people have completed the process.
Should we enlarge the tanks at each petrol station by say 300% so that we can weather a storm created by a media and demonstrate that we have the resilience at each of these sites to allow every car in the UK to fill up within two days. You say they are being smart when I think they don't understand just in time delivery, efficiency and the environmental factors of not having a shed load of fuel at what often are urban sites.
Mate, just admit you're a wannabe Tito and be done with it.0 -
kingstongraham said:
I love the idea that in the days of Facebook and nextdoor, it would need the BBC to escalate this into a problem.
A certain popular right wing news site was very happy to report on potential shortages at the start of this on Thursday. Then swung round to various headlines saying the leaker was a pinko remainer trying to cause carnage.
All good fun.0
