BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Ballysmate wrote:Joelsim wrote:Ballysmate wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:Joelsim wrote:Ballysmate wrote:Joelsim wrote:It appears that we won't be getting much. Funny that. Can't imagine why the EU are keeping to their freedoms. Especially now they know that there's a huge number of people in the uk wanting to remain part of the single market.
It's hard or no Brexit. As I've been saying.
http://www.politico.eu/article/eu-set-f ... n-council/
We all have been saying it Joel. The thing is that 'No Brexit' aint gonna happen.
Plenty of twists and turns left in this one yet Bally.
OK let's spread our wings - let's explore the scenarios that could lead to no Brexit
OK
Court rules that Parliament has to vote on A50. No party leader has indicated that they would consider voting contrary to the referendum result.
But say Parliament voted against and forgetting any social unrest and protest in the UK, what do you think our relationship with the EU would be. They would know that we were at best unwilling partners so what then? They would know that the Brexit campaign would only get stronger, so what would the future hold?
There are many factors involved.
1. Unrest as you say, whatever the vote.
2. House of Lords.
3. Court cases.
4. Conservative's reputation if they tank the economy.
5. Negotiating outcome.
6. State of economy in the next few months.
The objective surely is to delay, delay, delay until Brexit is shown for what it is. Currently a large majority want to remain in the SM, but there is still the issue that many leavers don't actually believe the economy will tank and that it'll hit them very hard in the pocket. As soon as it does, studies have shown that only a very small percentage are willing to have any loss of income to get rid of foreigners.
Joel, in my scenario, I was assuming that A50 had been prevented. How would you think our future membership and dealings with our EU partners would be affected?
Damaged. But the EU know there are a lot of pro-EU people here too. The fact that our economy is starting to slide already will put many other governments off holding a referendum. There will always be the nationalists, the racists and the stupid of course.
The world's reaction to our currency would be enough.0 -
Stop being lazy and justify why you think its a good idea.Lookyhere wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:Lookyhere wrote:
No idea, maybe you can show me some data on the impact it has had in Germany?Stevo 666 wrote:
Light reading indeed.Joelsim wrote:
A. paper that tries to ignore the fundamentals of supply and demand in relation to prices falling for exports. And one that thinks that Labour's national investment bank idea is a good one. Right...[/quote]
Germany has an investment bank and currently we support the EIB, indeed get about 8 billion per year from it.
Has having an investment bank harmed the German economy Stevee00?
looking ahead, we ll probably need to start one after we leave the EU........ so Labours plans, in one form or another may well happen.
Our continuation (or not) in Europol is also rather worrying too .... and continued membership means handing over some control of law enforcement to the EU.
cherry picking at its worst.
you r the one who took the pee out of labours plans... justify it...
If these sort of things were such a bad idea, why have we got a 16% share in the EIB....."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Says Mr. EuroblinkersJoelsim wrote:Lookyhere wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:Lookyhere wrote:
No idea, maybe you can show me some data on the impact it has had in Germany?Stevo 666 wrote:
Light reading indeed.Joelsim wrote:
A. paper that tries to ignore the fundamentals of supply and demand in relation to prices falling for exports. And one that thinks that Labour's national investment bank idea is a good one. Right...[/quote]
Germany has an investment bank and currently we support the EIB, indeed get about 8 billion per year from it.
Has having an investment bank harmed the German economy Stevee00?
looking ahead, we ll probably need to start one after we leave the EU........ so Labours plans, in one form or another may well happen.
Our continuation (or not) in Europol is also rather worrying too .... and continued membership means handing over some control of law enforcement to the EU.
cherry picking at its worst.
you r the one who took the pee out of labours plans... justify it...
If these sort of things were such a bad idea, why have we got a 16% share in the EIB.....
They're are only a bad idea as Steve thinks everything Labour say, do or suggest is risible.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Joelsim wrote:Ballysmate wrote:Joelsim wrote:Ballysmate wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:Joelsim wrote:Ballysmate wrote:Joelsim wrote:It appears that we won't be getting much. Funny that. Can't imagine why the EU are keeping to their freedoms. Especially now they know that there's a huge number of people in the uk wanting to remain part of the single market.
It's hard or no Brexit. As I've been saying.
http://www.politico.eu/article/eu-set-f ... n-council/
We all have been saying it Joel. The thing is that 'No Brexit' aint gonna happen.
Plenty of twists and turns left in this one yet Bally.
OK let's spread our wings - let's explore the scenarios that could lead to no Brexit
OK
Court rules that Parliament has to vote on A50. No party leader has indicated that they would consider voting contrary to the referendum result.
But say Parliament voted against and forgetting any social unrest and protest in the UK, what do you think our relationship with the EU would be. They would know that we were at best unwilling partners so what then? They would know that the Brexit campaign would only get stronger, so what would the future hold?
There are many factors involved.
1. Unrest as you say, whatever the vote.
2. House of Lords.
3. Court cases.
4. Conservative's reputation if they tank the economy.
5. Negotiating outcome.
6. State of economy in the next few months.
The objective surely is to delay, delay, delay until Brexit is shown for what it is. Currently a large majority want to remain in the SM, but there is still the issue that many leavers don't actually believe the economy will tank and that it'll hit them very hard in the pocket. As soon as it does, studies have shown that only a very small percentage are willing to have any loss of income to get rid of foreigners.
Joel, in my scenario, I was assuming that A50 had been prevented. How would you think our future membership and dealings with our EU partners would be affected?
Damaged. But the EU know there are a lot of pro-EU people here too. The fact that our economy is starting to slide already will put many other governments off holding a referendum. There will always be the nationalists, the racists and the stupid of course.
The world's reaction to our currency would be enough.
AS regards Sterling. Perhaps Brexit was the trigger for the inevitable and a weaker pound will actually ease the process.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/ni ... evaluation0 -
Ballysmate wrote:Joelsim wrote:Ballysmate wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:Joelsim wrote:Ballysmate wrote:Joelsim wrote:It appears that we won't be getting much. Funny that. Can't imagine why the EU are keeping to their freedoms. Especially now they know that there's a huge number of people in the uk wanting to remain part of the single market.
It's hard or no Brexit. As I've been saying.
http://www.politico.eu/article/eu-set-f ... n-council/
We all have been saying it Joel. The thing is that 'No Brexit' aint gonna happen.
Plenty of twists and turns left in this one yet Bally.
OK let's spread our wings - let's explore the scenarios that could lead to no Brexit
OK
Court rules that Parliament has to vote on A50. No party leader has indicated that they would consider voting contrary to the referendum result.
But say Parliament voted against and forgetting any social unrest and protest in the UK, what do you think our relationship with the EU would be. They would know that we were at best unwilling partners so what then? They would know that the Brexit campaign would only get stronger, so what would the future hold?
There are many factors involved.
1. Unrest as you say, whatever the vote.
2. House of Lords.
3. Court cases.
4. Conservative's reputation if they tank the economy.
5. Negotiating outcome.
6. State of economy in the next few months.
The objective surely is to delay, delay, delay until Brexit is shown for what it is. Currently a large majority want to remain in the SM, but there is still the issue that many leavers don't actually believe the economy will tank and that it'll hit them very hard in the pocket. As soon as it does, studies have shown that only a very small percentage are willing to have any loss of income to get rid of foreigners.
Joel, in my scenario, I was assuming that A50 had been prevented. How would you think our future membership and dealings with our EU partners would be affected?
I really can not see any unrest as they are too disparate a group and their leadership are the stablishmemt. House of Lords may kick back a bit but will tow the line.
I do not believe the EU can kick us out but having us hanging around on the verge of departure would be a disaster. I think they would encourage us to leave or make us sign up for 50 years with no get out clause.0 -
There are far too many unknowns to make a judgement on this currently. The situation is hugely different to where it was just 3 weeks ago.
The only think that can be guaranteed is our economy getting gradually worse.0 -
Surrey Commuter wrote:Ballysmate wrote:Joelsim wrote:Ballysmate wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:Joelsim wrote:Ballysmate wrote:Joelsim wrote:It appears that we won't be getting much. Funny that. Can't imagine why the EU are keeping to their freedoms. Especially now they know that there's a huge number of people in the uk wanting to remain part of the single market.
It's hard or no Brexit. As I've been saying.
http://www.politico.eu/article/eu-set-f ... n-council/
We all have been saying it Joel. The thing is that 'No Brexit' aint gonna happen.
Plenty of twists and turns left in this one yet Bally.
OK let's spread our wings - let's explore the scenarios that could lead to no Brexit
OK
Court rules that Parliament has to vote on A50. No party leader has indicated that they would consider voting contrary to the referendum result.
But say Parliament voted against and forgetting any social unrest and protest in the UK, what do you think our relationship with the EU would be. They would know that we were at best unwilling partners so what then? They would know that the Brexit campaign would only get stronger, so what would the future hold?
There are many factors involved.
1. Unrest as you say, whatever the vote.
2. House of Lords.
3. Court cases.
4. Conservative's reputation if they tank the economy.
5. Negotiating outcome.
6. State of economy in the next few months.
The objective surely is to delay, delay, delay until Brexit is shown for what it is. Currently a large majority want to remain in the SM, but there is still the issue that many leavers don't actually believe the economy will tank and that it'll hit them very hard in the pocket. As soon as it does, studies have shown that only a very small percentage are willing to have any loss of income to get rid of foreigners.
Joel, in my scenario, I was assuming that A50 had been prevented. How would you think our future membership and dealings with our EU partners would be affected?
I really can not see any unrest as they are too disparate a group and their leadership are the stablishmemt. House of Lords may kick back a bit but will tow the line.
I do not believe the EU can kick us out but having us hanging around on the verge of departure would be a disaster. I think they would encourage us to leave or make us sign up for 50 years with no get out clause.
So (please whisper it in Joel's presence) we are going to leave, regardless of Joel's delay delay delay.0 -
So you keep saying. Of course that may well be the case. But that doesn't change the fact that this is only just beginning.0
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OK then Joel, outline your scenario where our membership status is returned to how it was 12 months ago.0
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Ballysmate wrote:OK then Joel, outline your scenario where our membership status is returned to how it was 12 months ago.
Well it's still the same now in theory.
Let's look at this another way.
The Cons have a lot of non-Con voters supporting them to Brexit at the moment. Those foundations are built on sand. All it needs is the cost of living to increase, people to lose homes, unemployment to rise...and at some point cuts/taxes (the former being the probable as it'll be political suicide to raise taxes currently). Those additional debts due to an economy on the decline aren't going to pay themselves.
Even the puppeteers have admitted if they don't get a good deal (which I think is highly probable) then the economy will fall off a cliff edge.
Think about that scenario.0 -
Joelsim wrote:Ballysmate wrote:OK then Joel, outline your scenario where our membership status is returned to how it was 12 months ago.
Well it's still the same now in theory.
Let's look at this another way.
The Cons have a lot of non-Con voters supporting them to Brexit at the moment. Those foundations are built on sand. All it needs is the cost of living to increase, people to lose homes, unemployment to rise...and at some point cuts/taxes (the former being the probably as it'll be political suicide to raise taxes currently). Those additional debts due to an economy on the decline aren't going to pay themselves.
Even the puppeteers have admitted if they don't get a good deal (which I think is highly probable) then the economy will fall off a cliff edge.
Think about that scenario.
To get any deal we have to trigger A50, so we will be OUT.
If the economy tanks or booms is irrelevant to what I asked.
So how do you envisage the circumstances where we remain part of the EU?0 -
Beginning of the end for the Euro more likely. The more I read on this, the more I believe that the single currency is doomed. And Brexit could be the trigger - no wonder quite a few European politicians are being so petulant about us leaving.
https://www.ft.com/content/e7967558-3e1a-11e6-9f2c-36b487ebd80a
If this happens, the EU political project also stands a good chance of falling apart as a consequence.
It is perhaps ironic that schadenfreude is a German word."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Can't see the link Stevo.
Too tight to subscribe. Or too poor.
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Normally FT links are not readable but this one let me see it if I answered a question.Ballysmate wrote:Can't see the link Stevo.
Too tight to subscribe. Or too poor."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Ballysmate wrote:Joelsim wrote:Ballysmate wrote:OK then Joel, outline your scenario where our membership status is returned to how it was 12 months ago.
Well it's still the same now in theory.
Let's look at this another way.
The Cons have a lot of non-Con voters supporting them to Brexit at the moment. Those foundations are built on sand. All it needs is the cost of living to increase, people to lose homes, unemployment to rise...and at some point cuts/taxes (the former being the probably as it'll be political suicide to raise taxes currently). Those additional debts due to an economy on the decline aren't going to pay themselves.
Even the puppeteers have admitted if they don't get a good deal (which I think is highly probable) then the economy will fall off a cliff edge.
Think about that scenario.
To get any deal we have to trigger A50, so we will be OUT.
If the economy tanks or booms is irrelevant to what I asked.
So how do you envisage the circumstances where we remain part of the EU?
Well if we don't get a deal, and we are already in recession then there will be a certain amount of reluctance for parliament to rubber stamp the exit.0 -
Joelsim wrote:Ballysmate wrote:Joelsim wrote:Ballysmate wrote:OK then Joel, outline your scenario where our membership status is returned to how it was 12 months ago.
Well it's still the same now in theory.
Let's look at this another way.
The Cons have a lot of non-Con voters supporting them to Brexit at the moment. Those foundations are built on sand. All it needs is the cost of living to increase, people to lose homes, unemployment to rise...and at some point cuts/taxes (the former being the probably as it'll be political suicide to raise taxes currently). Those additional debts due to an economy on the decline aren't going to pay themselves.
Even the puppeteers have admitted if they don't get a good deal (which I think is highly probable) then the economy will fall off a cliff edge.
Think about that scenario.
To get any deal we have to trigger A50, so we will be OUT.
If the economy tanks or booms is irrelevant to what I asked.
So how do you envisage the circumstances where we remain part of the EU?
Well if we don't get a deal, and we are already in recession then there will be a certain amount of reluctance for parliament to rubber stamp the exit.
You really don't get it do you? Brexit isn't conditional on Parliament rubber stamping a deal. Rubber stamp or not, A50 + 2 years we are OUT.0 -
Ballysmate wrote:Joelsim wrote:Ballysmate wrote:Joelsim wrote:Ballysmate wrote:OK then Joel, outline your scenario where our membership status is returned to how it was 12 months ago.
Well it's still the same now in theory.
Let's look at this another way.
The Cons have a lot of non-Con voters supporting them to Brexit at the moment. Those foundations are built on sand. All it needs is the cost of living to increase, people to lose homes, unemployment to rise...and at some point cuts/taxes (the former being the probably as it'll be political suicide to raise taxes currently). Those additional debts due to an economy on the decline aren't going to pay themselves.
Even the puppeteers have admitted if they don't get a good deal (which I think is highly probable) then the economy will fall off a cliff edge.
Think about that scenario.
To get any deal we have to trigger A50, so we will be OUT.
If the economy tanks or booms is irrelevant to what I asked.
So how do you envisage the circumstances where we remain part of the EU?
Well if we don't get a deal, and we are already in recession then there will be a certain amount of reluctance for parliament to rubber stamp the exit.
You really don't get it do you? Brexit isn't conditional on Parliament rubber stamping a deal. Rubber stamp or not, A50 + 2 years we are OUT.
Erm...0 -
yeah but when will Art 50 get triggered? has May got the nerve to do it? economically or politically, what ever she does, could be a disaster for the Tories.... behind every cloud......
Havent the EU commission hinted that even after triggering Art 50, there may still be away back for the UK....... Germany is also very keen to string everything out, giving the UK a chance to reverse Brexit before triggering art 50.
the Eu has a history of bending rules, so not beyond the realms of possibility, if unlikely.0 -
Joel. Erm.. ?
Seriously? erm?
A50 is triggered. We negotiate for 2 years and if no deal is reached... WTO.
There is no cancellation clause. It is a one way street. Parliament doesn't like the deal, then it is WTO.
But we are out.0 -
Ballysmate wrote:Joel. Erm.. ?
Seriously? erm?
A50 is triggered. We negotiate for 2 years and if no deal is reached... WTO.
There is no cancellation clause. It is a one way street. Parliament doesn't like the deal, then it is WTO.
But we are out.
We don't know any of what happens before A50 is triggered currently, or indeed even if A50 is binding.0 -
mamba80 wrote:yeah but when will Art 50 get triggered? has May got the nerve to do it? economically or politically, what ever she does, could be a disaster for the Tories.... behind every cloud......
Havent the EU commission hinted that even after triggering Art 50, there may still be away back for the UK....... Germany is also very keen to string everything out, giving the UK a chance to reverse Brexit before triggering art 50.
the Eu has a history of bending rules, so not beyond the realms of possibility, if unlikely.
Our relationship with the EU would be irreparably damaged. As Surey Commuter said.
I do not believe the EU can kick us out but having us hanging around on the verge of departure would be a disaster. I think they would encourage us to leave or make us sign up for 50 years with no get out clause.
Can't see how we can really stay part of the EU. WE voted to leave and the EU won't want us hanging around ready to flounce at any time.
How many European leaders have implored us to get on with it?0 -
Ballysmate wrote:mamba80 wrote:yeah but when will Art 50 get triggered? has May got the nerve to do it? economically or politically, what ever she does, could be a disaster for the Tories.... behind every cloud......
Havent the EU commission hinted that even after triggering Art 50, there may still be away back for the UK....... Germany is also very keen to string everything out, giving the UK a chance to reverse Brexit before triggering art 50.
the Eu has a history of bending rules, so not beyond the realms of possibility, if unlikely.
Our relationship with the EU would be irreparably damaged. As Surey Commuter said.
I do not believe the EU can kick us out but having us hanging around on the verge of departure would be a disaster. I think they would encourage us to leave or make us sign up for 50 years with no get out clause.
Can't see how we can really stay part of the EU. WE voted to leave and the EU won't want us hanging around ready to flounce at any time.
How many European leaders have implored us to get on with it?
That doesn't alter the fact that no one knows what the legal position is pre or post A50 yet. And we won't know that until December at the very earliest.0 -
It's possible that a Parliamentary vote ahead of triggering A50 could be decided in the ECJ. 0
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Joelsim wrote:Ballysmate wrote:mamba80 wrote:yeah but when will Art 50 get triggered? has May got the nerve to do it? economically or politically, what ever she does, could be a disaster for the Tories.... behind every cloud......
Havent the EU commission hinted that even after triggering Art 50, there may still be away back for the UK....... Germany is also very keen to string everything out, giving the UK a chance to reverse Brexit before triggering art 50.
the Eu has a history of bending rules, so not beyond the realms of possibility, if unlikely.
Our relationship with the EU would be irreparably damaged. As Surey Commuter said.
I do not believe the EU can kick us out but having us hanging around on the verge of departure would be a disaster. I think they would encourage us to leave or make us sign up for 50 years with no get out clause.
Can't see how we can really stay part of the EU. WE voted to leave and the EU won't want us hanging around ready to flounce at any time.
How many European leaders have implored us to get on with it?
That doesn't alter the fact that no one knows what the legal position is pre or post A50 yet. And we won't know that until December at the very earliest.
Legal position after A50? Two years and we are out unless the other 27 agree to extend negotiations. Seems pretty straight forward to me. Parliament agreeing to the terms is irrelevant.0 -
Ballysmate wrote:Joelsim wrote:Ballysmate wrote:mamba80 wrote:yeah but when will Art 50 get triggered? has May got the nerve to do it? economically or politically, what ever she does, could be a disaster for the Tories.... behind every cloud......
Havent the EU commission hinted that even after triggering Art 50, there may still be away back for the UK....... Germany is also very keen to string everything out, giving the UK a chance to reverse Brexit before triggering art 50.
the Eu has a history of bending rules, so not beyond the realms of possibility, if unlikely.
Our relationship with the EU would be irreparably damaged. As Surey Commuter said.
I do not believe the EU can kick us out but having us hanging around on the verge of departure would be a disaster. I think they would encourage us to leave or make us sign up for 50 years with no get out clause.
Can't see how we can really stay part of the EU. WE voted to leave and the EU won't want us hanging around ready to flounce at any time.
How many European leaders have implored us to get on with it?
That doesn't alter the fact that no one knows what the legal position is pre or post A50 yet. And we won't know that until December at the very earliest.
Legal position after A50? Two years and we are out unless the other 27 agree to extend negotiations. Seems pretty straight forward to me. Parliament agreeing to the terms is irrelevant.
As I said, there are many factors at play in the process which are as yet undecided. It isn't even known if we can trigger A50 and still pull out of that trigger. That, in fact, is the whole basis of the court case that is happening at the moment.0 -
Joelsim wrote: It's possible that a Parliamentary vote ahead of triggering A50 could be decided in the ECJ.
As has been stated earlier, the only impediment to TM triggering A50 is a legal ruling saying Parliament must vote. But what then?
How do you envisage MPs voting against Brexit and us then resuming the relationship we had with the EU 12 months ago?0 -
Joelsim wrote:Ballysmate wrote:Joelsim wrote:Ballysmate wrote:mamba80 wrote:yeah but when will Art 50 get triggered? has May got the nerve to do it? economically or politically, what ever she does, could be a disaster for the Tories.... behind every cloud......
Havent the EU commission hinted that even after triggering Art 50, there may still be away back for the UK....... Germany is also very keen to string everything out, giving the UK a chance to reverse Brexit before triggering art 50.
the Eu has a history of bending rules, so not beyond the realms of possibility, if unlikely.
Our relationship with the EU would be irreparably damaged. As Surey Commuter said.
I do not believe the EU can kick us out but having us hanging around on the verge of departure would be a disaster. I think they would encourage us to leave or make us sign up for 50 years with no get out clause.
Can't see how we can really stay part of the EU. WE voted to leave and the EU won't want us hanging around ready to flounce at any time.
How many European leaders have implored us to get on with it?
That doesn't alter the fact that no one knows what the legal position is pre or post A50 yet. And we won't know that until December at the very earliest.
Legal position after A50? Two years and we are out unless the other 27 agree to extend negotiations. Seems pretty straight forward to me. Parliament agreeing to the terms is irrelevant.
As I said, there are many factors at play in the process which are as yet undecided. It isn't even known if we can trigger A50 and still pull out of that trigger. That, in fact, is the whole basis of the court case that is happening at the moment.
You seriously suggesting that we could trigger A50, negotiate for a few months then turn round saying we have changed our minds, only for the EU to say "Thank fcuk for that! Lets go back to how it was shall we?"
Delusional.0 -
Ballysmate wrote:Joelsim wrote: It's possible that a Parliamentary vote ahead of triggering A50 could be decided in the ECJ.
As has been stated earlier, the only impediment to TM triggering A50 is a legal ruling saying Parliament must vote. But what then?
How do you envisage MPs voting against Brexit and us then resuming the relationship we had with the EU 12 months ago?
As I keep saying, it is all still very undecided. A lot will happen over the next few months legally, economically and socially. There are also 59% of uk citizens not in favour of a hard Brexit.
Btw get yourself a copy of tmw's Observer. Many banks set to relocate thousands of workers after not being happy with this week's meetings with the govt.
Oh and the small matter of the new Nissan Qashqai production decision due in December. That could be a massive knife in the govt.
Plenty to happen. Twists, turns...0 -
Ballysmate wrote:Joelsim wrote:Ballysmate wrote:Joelsim wrote:Ballysmate wrote:mamba80 wrote:yeah but when will Art 50 get triggered? has May got the nerve to do it? economically or politically, what ever she does, could be a disaster for the Tories.... behind every cloud......
Havent the EU commission hinted that even after triggering Art 50, there may still be away back for the UK....... Germany is also very keen to string everything out, giving the UK a chance to reverse Brexit before triggering art 50.
the Eu has a history of bending rules, so not beyond the realms of possibility, if unlikely.
Our relationship with the EU would be irreparably damaged. As Surey Commuter said.
I do not believe the EU can kick us out but having us hanging around on the verge of departure would be a disaster. I think they would encourage us to leave or make us sign up for 50 years with no get out clause.
Can't see how we can really stay part of the EU. WE voted to leave and the EU won't want us hanging around ready to flounce at any time.
How many European leaders have implored us to get on with it?
That doesn't alter the fact that no one knows what the legal position is pre or post A50 yet. And we won't know that until December at the very earliest.
Legal position after A50? Two years and we are out unless the other 27 agree to extend negotiations. Seems pretty straight forward to me. Parliament agreeing to the terms is irrelevant.
As I said, there are many factors at play in the process which are as yet undecided. It isn't even known if we can trigger A50 and still pull out of that trigger. That, in fact, is the whole basis of the court case that is happening at the moment.
You seriously suggesting that we could trigger A50, negotiate for a few months then turn round saying we have changed our minds, only for the EU to say "Thank fcuk for that! Lets go back to how it was shall we?"
Delusional.
Legally that is in question. I suggest you read up on the court case.0 -
Oh, and then you have Scotland, Northern Ireland and now Wales.0
