BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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This. It is a bit like one of your team's players diving to win a penalty.rjsterry said:
Tribalism. They might be liars but they are *their* liars.rick_chasey said:Why don’t Brexiters get annoyed by the lying from people like Lewis?
They’re lying to you as well.0 -
Lying has become the new normal and we are blind to it any more. Wrong, but until there is someone with integrity calling them for it in the HoC then here we are.rick_chasey said:Why don’t Brexiters get annoyed by the lying from people like Lewis?
They’re lying to you as well.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
And the lies are winding up 'them' so double win!First.Aspect said:
This. It is a bit like one of your team's players diving to win a penalty.rjsterry said:
Tribalism. They might be liars but they are *their* liars.rick_chasey said:Why don’t Brexiters get annoyed by the lying from people like Lewis?
They’re lying to you as well.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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rjsterry said:
Tribalism. They might be liars but they are *their* liars.rick_chasey said:Why don’t Brexiters get annoyed by the lying from people like Lewis?
They’re lying to you as well.
But even now new tribes will be forming.rjsterry said:
Tribalism. They might be liars but they are *their* liars.rick_chasey said:Why don’t Brexiters get annoyed by the lying from people like Lewis?
They’re lying to you as well.
The anti EU obsessives will probably feign an interest in the Irish border to drive the UK further away and so speed up the demise of the EU.0 -
An interesting view from the Guardian economics editor (who voted Leave). I know it doesn't count because "it's a comment piece" or something, but some people might find it thought provoking.
https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/31/the-left-brexit-economic-uk?__twitter_impression=true0 -
"Now the UK has a choice. It can continue to mourn or it can take advantage of the opportunities that Brexit has provided."shortfall said:An interesting view from the Guardian economics editor (who voted Leave). I know it doesn't count because "it's a comment piece" or something, but some people might find it thought provoking.
https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/31/the-left-brexit-economic-uk?__twitter_impression=true
And yet the only opportunity he mentioned (unless I missed some) was the 'opportunity' for our farmers to spend more money on workers or machinery.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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It's clearly true that the left (or centre left) needs to take advantage of this and say "let's do what's best for the people here, rather than just slashing regulations and taxes". The reality of which regulations were apparently stifling the UK is still to be made clear.
The left left never liked the EU anyway, because it stopped the nation state intervening in the market as much as they would like, but it is more difficult for centrists, as there is less that they would have been prevented from doing. Particularly with the unique half in-half out membership that the UK had.
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I have a bad feeling going it alone in the world where we had a role as the go between with the EU and the US of A, is just a bridge too far!0
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I made this point elsewhere but I suspect the big deciding factor is whether your politics is more aligned with the main parties that make up the main continental blocks than with domestic parties.
This is certainly the case with me and their consensus, technocratic approach aligned roughly with my own views and so was a source of generally good policy making.
There are exceptions obviously.
I have no such faith in the U.K. system, not least as it produces governments dominated by one party with very few checks.0 -
The fact that the Labour twat wing and the Conservative twat wing were in favour of it doesn't give me a warm feeling about how either bunch would hope to use whatever new found freedom we now have.0
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I suspect that like me you are not a regular Guardian reader and are missing the humour easily spotted by regulars.pangolin said:
"Now the UK has a choice. It can continue to mourn or it can take advantage of the opportunities that Brexit has provided."shortfall said:An interesting view from the Guardian economics editor (who voted Leave). I know it doesn't count because "it's a comment piece" or something, but some people might find it thought provoking.
https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/31/the-left-brexit-economic-uk?__twitter_impression=true
And yet the only opportunity he mentioned (unless I missed some) was the 'opportunity' for our farmers to spend more money on workers or machinery.
“The EU specialises with France doing the food and drink”0 -
Hah, correct I am notsurrey_commuter said:
I suspect that like me you are not a regular Guardian reader and are missing the humour easily spotted by regulars.pangolin said:
"Now the UK has a choice. It can continue to mourn or it can take advantage of the opportunities that Brexit has provided."shortfall said:An interesting view from the Guardian economics editor (who voted Leave). I know it doesn't count because "it's a comment piece" or something, but some people might find it thought provoking.
https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/31/the-left-brexit-economic-uk?__twitter_impression=true
And yet the only opportunity he mentioned (unless I missed some) was the 'opportunity' for our farmers to spend more money on workers or machinery.
“The EU specialises with France doing the food and drink”- Genesis Croix de Fer
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Is there any other country/principality in the world with a similar governance situation as NI?
I.e. simultaneously part of two nations.0 -
Andorra used to be and gibraltar about to bemorstar said:Is there any other country/principality in the world with a similar governance situation as NI?
I.e. simultaneously part of two nations.0 -
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condominium_(international_law)morstar said:Is there any other country/principality in the world with a similar governance situation as NI?
I.e. simultaneously part of two nations.
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I asked this a while back and yes there are quite a few examples involving (mostly) European nations and their colonial outposts on the other side of the world. The Netherlands is in the EU for example but the Dutch Antillies are in a customs union with the rest of its neighbours (there are a number of flip sides the other way too).
I couldn't find an example of any that were literally next door to each other though. That's 100% Brexit...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Thanks, interesting stuff.
I thought similarly that there may be some old colonies of various empires that are a bit betwixt and between but there's quite a few varieties it seems.0 -
I anticipate a united Ireland in my lifetime assuming I stay healthy.0
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morstar said:
I anticipate a united Ireland in my lifetime assuming I stay healthy.
On balance, I too think it's going to move in that direction. I'm not going to make a prediction about whether I'm going to be alive to see it though.0 -
There are a lot of quirks around the world. A few come to mind:morstar said:Thanks, interesting stuff.
I thought similarly that there may be some old colonies of various empires that are a bit betwixt and between but there's quite a few varieties it seems.
- A town between Brazil and Paraguay where the high st is the border and there are no checks
- Lots of borders where you need to seek out immigration/customs
- In central Asia, there are a number of instances where there are archipelago of one country within another. Sometimes only a mile diameter.
- There are places such as NW Pakistan that can only be accessed in winter by going to another country (Afghanistan)
- The distance between border posts can be huge e.g. Pakistan to China is about four hours of driving
- Other countries such as Palau trade their UN vote and use of their waters for citizens having the right to live and work in the US
- Then there are the countries that don't have border crossings when you think they really should e.g. the Darien gap or India-China (maybe they do now)
- There are also lots of duty free zones in some countries which effectively creates an internal customs border
Anyway, my point is that it is a big world with no definitive approach to anything. Countries either make things work or do the opposite.0 -
Apparently, I seem to recall reading that the birth rate makes it likely anyway but the political situation increases the likelihood in my mind.briantrumpet said:morstar said:I anticipate a united Ireland in my lifetime assuming I stay healthy.
On balance, I too think it's going to move in that direction. I'm not going to make a prediction about whether I'm going to be alive to see it though.
The sea border isn’t sufficiently onerous to stop most trade but there will be cases where additional admin and costs will encourage internal re-sourcing. It’s not going to change any bodies politics overnight but such changes can only assist in bringing the island closer together.0 -
Unless, they vote out of the arrangement.morstar said:
Apparently, I seem to recall reading that the birth rate makes it likely anyway but the political situation increases the likelihood in my mind.briantrumpet said:morstar said:I anticipate a united Ireland in my lifetime assuming I stay healthy.
On balance, I too think it's going to move in that direction. I'm not going to make a prediction about whether I'm going to be alive to see it though.
The sea border isn’t sufficiently onerous to stop most trade but there will be cases where additional admin and costs will encourage internal re-sourcing. It’s not going to change any bodies politics overnight but such changes can only assist in bringing the island closer together.0 -
Which is Arlenes plan.TheBigBean said:
Unless, they vote out of the arrangement.morstar said:
Apparently, I seem to recall reading that the birth rate makes it likely anyway but the political situation increases the likelihood in my mind.briantrumpet said:morstar said:I anticipate a united Ireland in my lifetime assuming I stay healthy.
On balance, I too think it's going to move in that direction. I'm not going to make a prediction about whether I'm going to be alive to see it though.
The sea border isn’t sufficiently onerous to stop most trade but there will be cases where additional admin and costs will encourage internal re-sourcing. It’s not going to change any bodies politics overnight but such changes can only assist in bringing the island closer together.
Symptomatic of current British politics, everybody just wants out of everything. No positive vision for anything, just simplistic blame game nonsense.0 -
How long do they have to wait? It may backfire though and simply lead unification.morstar said:
Which is Arlenes plan.TheBigBean said:
Unless, they vote out of the arrangement.morstar said:
Apparently, I seem to recall reading that the birth rate makes it likely anyway but the political situation increases the likelihood in my mind.briantrumpet said:morstar said:I anticipate a united Ireland in my lifetime assuming I stay healthy.
On balance, I too think it's going to move in that direction. I'm not going to make a prediction about whether I'm going to be alive to see it though.
The sea border isn’t sufficiently onerous to stop most trade but there will be cases where additional admin and costs will encourage internal re-sourcing. It’s not going to change any bodies politics overnight but such changes can only assist in bringing the island closer together.
Symptomatic of current British politics, everybody just wants out of everything. No positive vision for anything, just simplistic blame game nonsense.0 -
Four years, then there is a two year discussion.darkhairedlord said:
How long do they have to wait? It may backfire though and simply lead unification.morstar said:
Which is Arlenes plan.TheBigBean said:
Unless, they vote out of the arrangement.morstar said:
Apparently, I seem to recall reading that the birth rate makes it likely anyway but the political situation increases the likelihood in my mind.briantrumpet said:morstar said:I anticipate a united Ireland in my lifetime assuming I stay healthy.
On balance, I too think it's going to move in that direction. I'm not going to make a prediction about whether I'm going to be alive to see it though.
The sea border isn’t sufficiently onerous to stop most trade but there will be cases where additional admin and costs will encourage internal re-sourcing. It’s not going to change any bodies politics overnight but such changes can only assist in bringing the island closer together.
Symptomatic of current British politics, everybody just wants out of everything. No positive vision for anything, just simplistic blame game nonsense.0 -
Arlenes wording was along the lines of ‘benefit from the advantages of Brexit’.
I guess 4 years grants NI the best of both worlds in the immediate term at relatively low impact and a try before you buy on full Brexit. They can make an informed decision in 4 years time on how wonderful or shit Brexit actually is.0 -
That's with Eire paying for them to remain in Erasmus and some other schemes.morstar said:Arlenes wording was along the lines of ‘benefit from the advantages of Brexit’.
I guess 4 years grants NI the best of both worlds in the immediate term at relatively low impact and a try before you buy on full Brexit. They can make an informed decision in 4 years time on how wonderful or censored Brexit actually is.0 -
BJ had to lie about all the benefits (apart from the racism one) this morning - you'd have thought he'd have just chosen truthful ones seeing as there are so many right...?
Right..?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/55522329We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Which bits were lies? I have read the article. I'll give you that already making cash savings is a bit much only a couple of days into January, but the rest seems to check out.ddraver said:BJ had to lie about all the benefits (apart from the racism one) this morning - you'd have thought he'd have just chosen truthful ones seeing as there are so many right...?
Right..?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/555223290
