BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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This is for the fishing of waters at most 200 miles from our shores. You have just shone a spotlight on your ignorance. And there are plenty of onshore jobs as part of the fishing industryelbowloh said:ugo.santalucia said:
You also need jobs that people are keen to take up... if they were to open a vacancy for a trawler net operator (or whatever it's called), I don't think there'll be hundreds of applications to be honest. Long hours, hard labour, high risk, average pay... all the kinds of jobs British are not too keen on... you might end up with a bunch of applicants from Vietnam who are keener and more qualified...coopster_the_1st said:
Will that mean more jobs for the UK and less for the EU?
This is positive for the UK and in coastal areas that are in need of jobs
If Brexit meant more jobs in the financial sector, in sociology and in the performing arts, then it might end up being a success...
Also note that deep-sea fisherman is a high risk job from a safety point of view..ugo.santalucia said:
You also need jobs that people are keen to take up... if they were to open a vacancy for a trawler net operator (or whatever it's called), I don't think there'll be hundreds of applications to be honest. Long hours, hard labour, high risk, average pay... all the kinds of jobs British are not too keen on... you might end up with a bunch of applicants from Vietnam who are keener and more qualified...coopster_the_1st said:
Will that mean more jobs for the UK and less for the EU?
This is positive for the UK and in coastal areas that are in need of jobs
If Brexit meant more jobs in the financial sector, in sociology and in the performing arts, then it might end up being a success...-1 -
Ok.coopster_the_1st said:
This is for the fishing of waters at most 200 miles from our shores. You have just shone a spotlight on your ignorance. And there are plenty of onshore jobs as part of the fishing industryelbowloh said:ugo.santalucia said:
You also need jobs that people are keen to take up... if they were to open a vacancy for a trawler net operator (or whatever it's called), I don't think there'll be hundreds of applications to be honest. Long hours, hard labour, high risk, average pay... all the kinds of jobs British are not too keen on... you might end up with a bunch of applicants from Vietnam who are keener and more qualified...coopster_the_1st said:
Will that mean more jobs for the UK and less for the EU?
This is positive for the UK and in coastal areas that are in need of jobs
If Brexit meant more jobs in the financial sector, in sociology and in the performing arts, then it might end up being a success...
Also note that deep-sea fisherman is a high risk job from a safety point of view..ugo.santalucia said:
You also need jobs that people are keen to take up... if they were to open a vacancy for a trawler net operator (or whatever it's called), I don't think there'll be hundreds of applications to be honest. Long hours, hard labour, high risk, average pay... all the kinds of jobs British are not too keen on... you might end up with a bunch of applicants from Vietnam who are keener and more qualified...coopster_the_1st said:
Will that mean more jobs for the UK and less for the EU?
This is positive for the UK and in coastal areas that are in need of jobs
If Brexit meant more jobs in the financial sector, in sociology and in the performing arts, then it might end up being a success...1 -
However:
https://www.ebisonsafety.co.uk/fishing-industry-safety
https://www.hse.gov.uk/statistics/industry/agriculture.pdf
that last report says for Forresty, Agriculture and Fishing (so yes, not just fishing):
"The fatal injury rate (7.73 per 100,000 workers) remains higher than any other
main industry sector, and around five times as high as the rate in Construction and
18 times as high as the All industry rate
hthttps://www.scotsman.com/news/uk-news/uk-fishing-industry-told-cut-down-drinking-after-majority-port-deaths-linked-alcohol-1397784https://www.scotsman.com/news/uk-news/uk-fishing-industry-told-cut-down-drinking-after-majority-port-deaths-linked-alcohol-1397784tps://www.scotsman.com/news/uk-news/uk-fishing-industry-told-cut-down-drinking-after-majority-port-deaths-linked-alcohol-1397784
"Commercial fishing has become 'the most dangerous occupation in Britain', with six fishermen dying in just one year - five of which were in Scotland."
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elbowloh said:
However:
https://www.ebisonsafety.co.uk/fishing-industry-safety
https://www.hse.gov.uk/statistics/industry/agriculture.pdf
that last report says for Forresty, Agriculture and Fishing (so yes, not just fishing):
"The fatal injury rate (7.73 per 100,000 workers) remains higher than any other
main industry sector, and around five times as high as the rate in Construction and
18 times as high as the All industry rate
hthttps://www.scotsman.com/news/uk-news/uk-fishing-industry-told-cut-down-drinking-after-majority-port-deaths-linked-alcohol-1397784https://www.scotsman.com/news/uk-news/uk-fishing-industry-told-cut-down-drinking-after-majority-port-deaths-linked-alcohol-1397784tps://www.scotsman.com/news/uk-news/uk-fishing-industry-told-cut-down-drinking-after-majority-port-deaths-linked-alcohol-1397784
"Commercial fishing has become 'the most dangerous occupation in Britain', with six fishermen dying in just one year - five of which were in Scotland."
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either that or the EU are incapable of agreeing anythingPross said:
You've gone off message, the acceptable terminology is Australia style agreement or no further deal. No deal is very negative and suggests those delivering Brexit have been incapable of agreeing anything over the past 12 months.coopster_the_1st said:
Scaremongering has created profiteering.skyblueamateur said:
The price of containers from the Far East have quadrupled in price due to container shortages in China.coopster_the_1st said:
Yes, the market has moved in this sector all over the world world but some stupids, not you I may add, will use Brexit as blame.skyblueamateur said:
Regardless of deal or no deal they will be facing a big jump in transport costs.darkhairedlord said:
If they are not dispatching until january they might face a jump in transport costs, so natural to hold for a week until they know how much to bill or if they can absorb.kingstongraham said:If you can't be certain of getting a dispatch done and out of the country by the end of the year, it's understandable to not take the order. Not sure why it's all exports, must be their system.
They won't be the only website that won't take an order from the eu in the few days before the 31st.
Unfortunately, the movement of parcels and pallets to the continent from January is mainly Brexit related.
The price of a single box to ROI has trebled and a pallet now has a £50 surcharge on to cover the extra paperwork and customs clearances. Even with a FTA the amount of bureaucracy necessary is a big burden on businesses especially SME's. For all of the EU's many faults this is the massive advantage to exporters of the SM.
After speaking to someone directly affected over the weekend, it's the uncertainty that is gumming everything up. We should have gone No Deal at the beginning of December and removed this uncertainty. It would have done less damage and disruption
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I have. It looks like someone trying to post-rationalise a pre-determined idea of their identity with some selected historical highlights. It's as meaningless as people claiming descent from medieval royalty. I guess we all invent our own mythology, but it's hardly news that some people think the British are somehow different from other Europeans. I'm sure every European country has some of those. I don't imagine any of this has much bearing on the negotiations,only how the results are sold to the respective populations.Stevo_666 said:1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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If you wondered how far down the food chain this would go, it seems I won't even be allowed to get my French cheese sandwich through security next time I come back from France. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/18/lorry-drivers-heading-to-eu-face-ham-sandwich-ban
Mind you, the other occupants of the departure lounge might be happy that I won't be munching on Bleu d'Auvergne, given its odour.
But, seriously?0 -
Don't want to mix threads but I did have to chuckle when I heard Macron give the " France has worse numbers than X because the french just live their freedom more" line.rjsterry said:
I have. It looks like someone trying to post-rationalise a pre-determined idea of their identity with some selected historical highlights. It's as meaningless as people claiming descent from medieval royalty. I guess we all invent our own mythology, but it's hardly news that some people think the British are somehow different from other Europeans. I'm sure every European country has some of those. I don't imagine any of this has much bearing on the negotiations,only how the results are sold to the respective populations.Stevo_666 said:
I reckon literally every country in the world has said the same. Someone should make a youtube compilation of them all...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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I imagine the Whip going round reminding them of their position, support or walk.
Voted through tout de suite. Lords might be sticky though. 😉The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
FFS -david37 said:
either that or the EU are incapable of agreeing anythingPross said:
You've gone off message, the acceptable terminology is Australia style agreement or no further deal. No deal is very negative and suggests those delivering Brexit have been incapable of agreeing anything over the past 12 months.coopster_the_1st said:
Scaremongering has created profiteering.skyblueamateur said:
The price of containers from the Far East have quadrupled in price due to container shortages in China.coopster_the_1st said:
Yes, the market has moved in this sector all over the world world but some stupids, not you I may add, will use Brexit as blame.skyblueamateur said:
Regardless of deal or no deal they will be facing a big jump in transport costs.darkhairedlord said:
If they are not dispatching until january they might face a jump in transport costs, so natural to hold for a week until they know how much to bill or if they can absorb.kingstongraham said:If you can't be certain of getting a dispatch done and out of the country by the end of the year, it's understandable to not take the order. Not sure why it's all exports, must be their system.
They won't be the only website that won't take an order from the eu in the few days before the 31st.
Unfortunately, the movement of parcels and pallets to the continent from January is mainly Brexit related.
The price of a single box to ROI has trebled and a pallet now has a £50 surcharge on to cover the extra paperwork and customs clearances. Even with a FTA the amount of bureaucracy necessary is a big burden on businesses especially SME's. For all of the EU's many faults this is the massive advantage to exporters of the SM.
After speaking to someone directly affected over the weekend, it's the uncertainty that is gumming everything up. We should have gone No Deal at the beginning of December and removed this uncertainty. It would have done less damage and disruption0 -
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“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
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I think it’s important to acknowledge at this point that...
Just because something is difficult, it’s not a good enough reason to not do it.
However, once we’re over any short term bumps of transition, the onus is on the Brexiteers to facilitate what they promised it would be. My biggest problem is I’m still not sure what they’re trying to achieve.
They were far safer just making careers out of blaming others. Now they have to stand for something and deliver it.0 -
You've missed the narrative, haven't you?
Brexit would simply happen naturally if remoaners weren't scuppering it.Sarcasm.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Revolutionaries are never happy morstar.
They’re most comfortable being revolutionaries.
They will never be happy and will never take responsibility as the answer is always a purer revolution.0 -
Are these not just european truckers trying to get home for christmas? Before they have to surrender their brie baguettes at the border?rick_chasey said:Not even any checks yet
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I think the point is more stockpiling = more ferries coming in and going back.
And if it’s already so sensitive to demand changes then imagine what it’s like with checks etc0 -
If they're all full, then it should mitigate some of the immediate impact, and has spread it over a month rather than a week.
If a good proportion are empty, and just returning after delivering brought forward orders, then not so much.0 -
Might be related to thisdarkhairedlord said:
Are these not just european truckers trying to get home for christmas? Before they have to surrender their brie baguettes at the border?rick_chasey said:Not even any checks yet
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The only bumps that matter are those that provide a televisual feast so ground the choppers and solve the problem of lorry queues. For an alternative look how little people care that the car industry is shutting down for a month.morstar said:I think it’s important to acknowledge at this point that...
Just because something is difficult, it’s not a good enough reason to not do it.
However, once we’re over any short term bumps of transition, the onus is on the Brexiteers to facilitate what they promised it would be. My biggest problem is I’m still not sure what they’re trying to achieve.
They were far safer just making careers out of blaming others. Now they have to stand for something and deliver it.
It is only the Brexit footsoldiers who argue it will be an economic success, you will not find any Brexit leaders (Farage/Rees Mogg) ever claiming it will be an economic success. For them it was always about foreigners and that is what they are delivering on.0 -
The Eurostar is the train passenger service between England and France.rick_chasey said:
Might be related to thisdarkhairedlord said:
Are these not just european truckers trying to get home for christmas? Before they have to surrender their brie baguettes at the border?rick_chasey said:Not even any checks yet
The picture used in the tweet is Dover TAP, which is the lorry queue for the ferries.
But we should trust this reporter knows what they are writing?-1 -
Read the article if you want to know what it says.coopster_the_1st said:
The Eurostar is the train passenger service between England and France.rick_chasey said:
Might be related to thisdarkhairedlord said:
Are these not just european truckers trying to get home for christmas? Before they have to surrender their brie baguettes at the border?rick_chasey said:Not even any checks yet
The picture used in the tweet is Dover TAP, which is the lorry queue for the ferries.
But we should trust this reporter knows what they are writing?
(It says it's stockpiling, reduced ferries and Felixstowe. The Eurostar thing is a different issue in the same article.)0 -
Why would I waste time reading an article that doesn't know what it is talking about?kingstongraham said:
Read the article if you want to know what it says.coopster_the_1st said:
The Eurostar is the train passenger service between England and France.rick_chasey said:
Might be related to thisdarkhairedlord said:
Are these not just european truckers trying to get home for christmas? Before they have to surrender their brie baguettes at the border?rick_chasey said:Not even any checks yet
The picture used in the tweet is Dover TAP, which is the lorry queue for the ferries.
But we should trust this reporter knows what they are writing?
The tweet conflates passenger and ferry lorry traffic so how can the article be any more accurate-1 -
Neither the tweeter nor the journalist who wrote the article will have selected the picture (or for that matter the headline)coopster_the_1st said:
The Eurostar is the train passenger service between England and France.rick_chasey said:
Might be related to thisdarkhairedlord said:
Are these not just european truckers trying to get home for christmas? Before they have to surrender their brie baguettes at the border?rick_chasey said:Not even any checks yet
The picture used in the tweet is Dover TAP, which is the lorry queue for the ferries.
But we should trust this reporter knows what they are writing?“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
No it doesn't. The tweet only mentions Eurostar. It links to an article which is about both.coopster_the_1st said:
Why would I waste time reading an article that doesn't know what it is talking about?kingstongraham said:
Read the article if you want to know what it says.coopster_the_1st said:
The Eurostar is the train passenger service between England and France.rick_chasey said:
Might be related to thisdarkhairedlord said:
Are these not just european truckers trying to get home for christmas? Before they have to surrender their brie baguettes at the border?rick_chasey said:Not even any checks yet
The picture used in the tweet is Dover TAP, which is the lorry queue for the ferries.
But we should trust this reporter knows what they are writing?
The tweet conflates passenger and ferry lorry traffic so how can the article be any more accurate0 -
brexiters aren't revolutionaries, they're reactionaries: they are eliminating individual rights, severing ties, showing contempt for law, and imposing their nationalist fantasy of little englandrick_chasey said:Revolutionaries are never happy morstar.
They’re most comfortable being revolutionaries.
They will never be happy and will never take responsibility as the answer is always a purer revolution.
we used to execute people for far lessmy bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny0 -
In the "good old days".sungod said:
we used to execute people for far less
Which they want to return to, ironically enough.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
EU's final, final offer is that UK gets 25% of its fish with a renegotiation in 7 years. Lots of complaints from coastal countries and fishing organisations.
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This is where I really don't get the Eu position.
Their position seems to me that they are doing us a favour by accepting less than full access to existing fishing quotas. Not as though they must offer us something to retain that access to which they no longer have any rights. There is cake and eat it occurring here from their side.
As our requirements are also, unrealistic, I can see why talks have stalled.0
