BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

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  • finchy
    finchy Posts: 6,686
    Yes, and...? Does that mean that I can't say that maybe it would be a good idea for us to have referenda on other issues? Or for the next 5 years, are we only allowed to wish for what was in the Tory manifesto of 2015?
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,923
    finchy wrote:
    Yes, and...? Does that mean that I can't say that maybe it would be a good idea for us to have referenda on other issues? Or for the next 5 years, are we only allowed to wish for what was in the Tory manifesto of 2015?
    You can say or wish for whatever you like, its a free country. I'm not too interested in stuff that isn't going to happen.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • finchy
    finchy Posts: 6,686
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    finchy wrote:
    Yes, and...? Does that mean that I can't say that maybe it would be a good idea for us to have referenda on other issues? Or for the next 5 years, are we only allowed to wish for what was in the Tory manifesto of 2015?
    You can say or wish for whatever you like, its a free country. I'm not too interested in stuff that isn't going to happen.

    What, like George Osborne's deficit reduction plan, you mean?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    The Tories were elected at the last general election with a mandate to hold a referendum on Europe.

    As for your PR daydream, well dream on.

    Ah we both know that was the first thing to be negotiate away in the apparently likely event of a coalition.
    _
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,923
    finchy wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    finchy wrote:
    Yes, and...? Does that mean that I can't say that maybe it would be a good idea for us to have referenda on other issues? Or for the next 5 years, are we only allowed to wish for what was in the Tory manifesto of 2015?
    You can say or wish for whatever you like, its a free country. I'm not too interested in stuff that isn't going to happen.

    What, like George Osborne's deficit reduction plan, you mean?
    That is happening - the annual deficit has come down every year since the tories have been in power apart from a small blip in 2012/13 and the forecast trend is downward as you can clearly see from this graph:
    http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/5922/economics/uk-budget-deficit-2/
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Lookyhere wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Come on everybody think for yourselves. The £ has fallen 4% in 2106. If Wiggle knocked 4% off would you say the price had crashed. how much do you spend on holiday. 4% adds £40 to each grand you spend on holiday.

    Glad you can foresee the future :)

    its fallen a lot more than 4% and unnecessary too, not that the tories care about that.

    http://www.exchangerates.org.uk/GBP-EUR ... story.html

    looks like the weak economy has a lot to do with it too, if this carries on, by 2020, the electorate would have had enough of this shower.

    Even on your numbers "crash" seems a very emotive word for a 7% fall. Currency markets really don't matter that much - what you need to keep an eye on are the bond markets
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    peterbob wrote:
    Older folks feel they were deceived to what they were getting into in 1975, so won't let that happen again.

    A staggering generalisation
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,572
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    peterbob wrote:
    Older folks feel they were deceived to what they were getting into in 1975, so won't let that happen again.

    A staggering generalisation
    A small sample for sure, but that is exactly my parents thoughts on the subject.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    My Dad is a Trot and my Mum is a Nazi but both fervently in favour of in
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,923
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    My Dad is a Trot and my Mum is a Nazi but both fervently in favour of in
    Do you mean that one votes Labour and the other votes Conservative?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    My Dad is a Trot and my Mum is a Nazi but both fervently in favour of in
    Do you mean that one votes Labour and the other votes Conservative?

    Yes - both would vote for monkey with the appropriately coloured rosette and would be on the extremes of their parties
  • finchy
    finchy Posts: 6,686
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    finchy wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    finchy wrote:
    Yes, and...? Does that mean that I can't say that maybe it would be a good idea for us to have referenda on other issues? Or for the next 5 years, are we only allowed to wish for what was in the Tory manifesto of 2015?
    You can say or wish for whatever you like, its a free country. I'm not too interested in stuff that isn't going to happen.

    What, like George Osborne's deficit reduction plan, you mean?
    That is happening - the annual deficit has come down every year since the tories have been in power apart from a small blip in 2012/13 and the forecast trend is downward as you can clearly see from this graph:
    http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/5922/economics/uk-budget-deficit-2/

    And with economic growth forecasts being revised downwards, it's still highly unlikely he'll hit his targets. (That's not necessarily a bad thing, as long as the money is used wisely.)
  • peterbob
    peterbob Posts: 46
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    peterbob wrote:
    Older folks feel they were deceived to what they were getting into in 1975, so won't let that happen again.

    A staggering generalisation
    Yes and a correct one. What is your point? It wasn't aimed at any individuals, what's wrong with generalising when for large swathes of them it is true. After a general election we all get generalised with the same party. It was suggested as a reason why older folks are more likely to vote out, If not then what is? There must be something because that's what the statistics show.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    peterbob wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    peterbob wrote:
    Older folks feel they were deceived to what they were getting into in 1975, so won't let that happen again.

    A staggering generalisation
    Yes and a correct one. What is your point? It wasn't aimed at any individuals, what's wrong with generalising when for large swathes of them it is true. After a general election we all get generalised with the same party. It was suggested as a reason why older folks are more likely to vote out, If not then what is? There must be something because that's what the statistics show.

    OK - just checked the stats (https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/01/06/bi ... ewspaper-/)
    and they are showing that pensioners are more likely to vote out than non-pensioners. Of more interest is that education attainment is a far bigger indicator - is that too touchy for the media to discuss?
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,017
    Perhaps the wrinklies feel more obliged to put right the mistake they think they made all those years ago?
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,923
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    peterbob wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    peterbob wrote:
    Older folks feel they were deceived to what they were getting into in 1975, so won't let that happen again.

    A staggering generalisation
    Yes and a correct one. What is your point? It wasn't aimed at any individuals, what's wrong with generalising when for large swathes of them it is true. After a general election we all get generalised with the same party. It was suggested as a reason why older folks are more likely to vote out, If not then what is? There must be something because that's what the statistics show.

    OK - just checked the stats (https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/01/06/bi ... ewspaper-/)
    and they are showing that pensioners are more likely to vote out than non-pensioners. Of more interest is that education attainment is a far bigger indicator - is that too touchy for the media to discuss?
    I like this bit from the link:
    "...as many as 28% of Ukip voters – more than one million people – say they would vote to stay in the EU;"
    Have they read the manifesto? :)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    peterbob wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    peterbob wrote:
    Older folks feel they were deceived to what they were getting into in 1975, so won't let that happen again.

    A staggering generalisation
    Yes and a correct one. What is your point? It wasn't aimed at any individuals, what's wrong with generalising when for large swathes of them it is true. After a general election we all get generalised with the same party. It was suggested as a reason why older folks are more likely to vote out, If not then what is? There must be something because that's what the statistics show.

    OK - just checked the stats (https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/01/06/bi ... ewspaper-/)
    and they are showing that pensioners are more likely to vote out than non-pensioners. Of more interest is that education attainment is a far bigger indicator - is that too touchy for the media to discuss?
    I like this bit from the link:
    "...as many as 28% of Ukip voters – more than one million people – say they would vote to stay in the EU;"
    Have they read the manifesto? :)

    and being an Express reader is the 2nd largest determinant of wanting to leave - almost makes me want to read a copy to see what poisonous bile they are churning out
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Official numbers from civil service on the impact of Brexit don't make pretty reading for brexiters.
    _
  • finchy
    finchy Posts: 6,686
    They won't believe it.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,923
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Official numbers from civil service on the impact of Brexit don't make pretty reading for brexiters.
    Link? (Still undecided - your chance to sway me).
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • mamba80
    mamba80 Posts: 5,032
    http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ ... y/CBP-7213

    lots of pros and cons....... though how independent is Civil Service anyway?
  • BelgianBeerGeek
    BelgianBeerGeek Posts: 5,226
    mamba80 wrote:
    http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7213

    lots of pros and cons....... though how independent is Civil Service anyway?
    The civil service is not allowed to go against the govt of the day. As staying in is govt policy, you will not hear the civil service deviate from this line.
    Ecrasez l’infame
  • mamba80
    mamba80 Posts: 5,032
    yes you are right, but i d love to see the farmers get a reduced subsidy or better, none at all - might be worth voting OUT for that alone :)

    40% EU total budget spent on Agriculture ????
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    mamba80 wrote:
    yes you are right, but i d love to see the farmers get a reduced subsidy or better, none at all - might be worth voting OUT for that alone :)

    40% EU total budget spent on Agriculture ????

    And the vast majority of Uk farm subsidies who constitute the great and the good. I would vote for comrade Corbyn if I thought he would end those subsidies.

    When we culled vast numbers of cattle because of mad cow disease it was because if we had vaccinated, at a fraction of the cost, we would have had an export ban for several years. Very few farmers are big enough to export beef but still We culled.
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,017
    Perhaps if the subsidies were removed, we would all have to pay a realistic price for food and the amount of waste would be slashed.
  • finchy
    finchy Posts: 6,686
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Perhaps if the subsidies were removed, we would all have to pay a realistic price for food and the amount of waste would be slashed.

    Excellent point. I've never really thought of it that way before.
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,017
    finchy wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Perhaps if the subsidies were removed, we would all have to pay a realistic price for food and the amount of waste would be slashed.

    Excellent point. I've never really thought of it that way before.


    See? I'm not just a pretty face. :lol:
  • finchy
    finchy Posts: 6,686
    Ballysmate wrote:
    finchy wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Perhaps if the subsidies were removed, we would all have to pay a realistic price for food and the amount of waste would be slashed.

    Excellent point. I've never really thought of it that way before.


    See? I'm not even a pretty face. :lol:

    Ahem. FTFY.
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,017
    :lol:
  • mr_goo
    mr_goo Posts: 3,770
    It took a 16 year old girl from Poole to put over a very cogent argument on immigration and why the UK should exit the EU (see last thursday Question time).
    To precis, she stated that the £9 minimum wage is going to be a huge draw for unskilled eastern european citizens, where already their minimum wage is one tenth of ours. And why should any europeans be permitted to settle in another country without any questions asked? Yet talented doctors from India for example, have to undergo an extremely intensive process to enter the country.
    A very salient point made, by a child.
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