BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

Lookyhere

PBlakeney wrote:

mamba80 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Does amuse me, some of the immigration chat.


After all, I'm a naturalised EU immigrant

what do you think the EU should do about the millions that have either crossed or intend to cross into Europe?

I believe that the EU are planning on having a meeting to decide what should be on the agenda for future meetings to discuss what the options are.
I am sure that stern words will be used.

What can they do? shot the people pulling down the fences? tear gas? dogs? maybe invade Turkey and Libya and shoot them there? perhaps house them in huge camps on the German Polish borders and tell them they are hoilday camps and work will set them free? Deport back to where???
All i can see they could do, is turn back the boats but again? how? they are RIB's not suitable for sea crossing and a few drownings would soon see that option ending.

Sorting out the criminal gangs and smuggler routes, together with trying to make their homelands/refugee camps better places might help but in reality, how will you make these places better than say London or Munich?

bobmcstuff

Pound's below $1.40 and €1.27. Fortunately I've no holidays booked soon

peterbob

Lookyhere wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

mamba80 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Does amuse me, some of the immigration chat.


After all, I'm a naturalised EU immigrant

what do you think the EU should do about the millions that have either crossed or intend to cross into Europe?

I believe that the EU are planning on having a meeting to decide what should be on the agenda for future meetings to discuss what the options are.
I am sure that stern words will be used.

What can they do? shot the people pulling down the fences? tear gas? dogs? maybe invade Turkey and Libya and shoot them there? perhaps house them in huge camps on the German Polish borders and tell them they are hoilday camps and work will set them free? Deport back to where???
All i can see they could do, is turn back the boats but again? how? they are RIB's not suitable for sea crossing and a few drownings would soon see that option ending.

Sorting out the criminal gangs and smuggler routes, together with trying to make their homelands/refugee camps better places might help but in reality, how will you make these places better than say London or Munich?

When London or Munich are down to the same level.

rick_chasey

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/f ... arabia-bae

EU's good for something at least.

About time UK had some ethics about its dealings with the middle east. Makes having a consistent and credible foreign policy a bit easier too. But then they'll probably ignore the EU anyway. 4 the buns ££££.

peterbob

Rick Chasey wrote:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/25/david-cameron-brilliant-uk-arms-exports-saudi-arabia-bae

EU's good for something at least.

About time UK had some ethics about its dealings with the middle east. Makes having a consistent and credible foreign policy a bit easier too. But then they'll probably ignore the EU anyway. 4 the buns ££££.

ISIL could use some Eurofighters.

Stevo_666

bobmcstuff wrote:

Pound's below $1.40 and €1.27. Fortunately I've no holidays booked soon

The Sterling Euro rate has fluctuated over a pretty wide band in the last 10 years so this is nothing unusual: from about 1.04 to 1.47.
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=EUR&view=10Y
And I don't remember the world spinning off its axis at the low point, although I was midly annoyed at the cost of a pizza on my skiing holidays.

No doubt if sterling had strengthened against the Euro recently, the same people moaning about it weakening would probably be on here saying how bad a strong pound is and how it hurts exports :roll: There's no pleasing some people...

mamba80

Steve0, the £ has crashed against $ and euro because of the uncertainty over the IN/OUT referendum, markets dont like the unknown, plus of course Osbourne has messed up the economy - years of Austerity hasnt worked but it looks like we ll be getting more of the same.
The tragedy of this is that DC didnt have to have a vote, did he? he did it to hamstring ukip and his own anti eu wing.
UK doesn't export much really (our balance of payments is terrible) and raw material import costs will off set any gain with cheaper exports, what has happened is that millions of hard working British families (to quote DC) will have more expensive holidays because of the Tories.

Stevo_666

mamba80 wrote:

Steve0, the £ has crashed against $ and euro because of the uncertainty over the IN/OUT referendum, markets dont like the unknown, plus of course Osbourne has messed up the economy - years of Austerity hasnt worked but it looks like we ll be getting more of the same.
The tragedy of this is that DC didnt have to have a vote, did he? he did it to hamstring ukip and his own anti eu wing.
UK doesn't export much really (our balance of payments is terrible) and raw material import costs will off set any gain with cheaper exports, what has happened is that millions of hard working British families (to quote DC) will have more expensive holidays because of the Tories.

Uncertainty - yes. Markets dont like it. Osbourne messing up the economy - what, compared to what he inherited in 2010

More expensive holidays - boo hoo. Weve had them cheap for a while, now its changed and it will change again. In the meantime, go on holiday in Britain and support the local economy or save up a bit harder. Thats life.

And while you're at it, to say thanks to George for last years cheap holiday You cant have it both ways.

mamba80

Stevo 666 wrote:

mamba80 wrote:

Steve0, the £ has crashed against $ and euro because of the uncertainty over the IN/OUT referendum, markets dont like the unknown, plus of course Osbourne has messed up the economy - years of Austerity hasnt worked but it looks like we ll be getting more of the same.
The tragedy of this is that DC didnt have to have a vote, did he? he did it to hamstring ukip and his own anti eu wing.
UK doesn't export much really (our balance of payments is terrible) and raw material import costs will off set any gain with cheaper exports, what has happened is that millions of hard working British families (to quote DC) will have more expensive holidays because of the Tories.

Uncertainty - yes. Markets dont like it. Osbourne messing up the economy - what, compared to what he inherited in 2010

More expensive holidays - boo hoo. Weve had them cheap for a while, now its changed and it will change again. In the meantime, go on holiday in Britain and support the local economy or save up a bit harder. Thats life.

And while you're at it, to say thanks to George for last years cheap holiday You cant have it both ways.

A holiday in the UK is even more expensive than one in Europe but nice to know you dont give a shit about other people, so long as you are ok, but typical Tory.
The £ was relatively stable until these idiots introduced this uncertainty, so yes could have had it both ways.

tbh i m surprised you have nt blamed Attlee for the state of the UK economy yet, Osbourne has had 6 years and by his own record has failed to met his own watered down targets hasnt he?

Address why DC called this referendum? was a there a great clamour amongst the electorate for one? no, ukip got one mp and failed repeatedly to get MPs in any by election before Dc promised his vote.

this vote was for internal tory party politics, nothing to do with whats good for the country.......my ceo friend is making plans to restructure (ie job losses in UK) should the vote be OUT, with a view to opening up in Europe..... well done Dave! what would your mum say about that ???

Stevo_666

Less of the leftiebollox tory stereotyping please.

Currency markets fluctuate and always have. All you are doing is taking a cheap shot at the tories over the pound falling in the short term. Please write to Gordon about the fx rates the prevailed in 2008-2010 which were on average weaker vs the euro than now.

Besides, your original moan was that your hoiday would be more expensive. Selfish lefties, always looking after themselves while accusing others of the same thing

surrey_commuter

Come on everybody think for yourselves. The £ has fallen 4% in 2106. If Wiggle knocked 4% off would you say the price had crashed. how much do you spend on holiday. 4% adds £40 to each grand you spend on holiday.

Lookyhere

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Come on everybody think for yourselves. The £ has fallen 4% in 2106. If Wiggle knocked 4% off would you say the price had crashed. how much do you spend on holiday. 4% adds £40 to each grand you spend on holiday.

Glad you can foresee the future

its fallen a lot more than 4% and unnecessary too, not that the tories care about that.

http://www.exchangerates.org.uk/GBP-EUR ... story.html

looks like the weak economy has a lot to do with it too, if this carries on, by 2020, the electorate would have had enough of this shower.

mamba80

G20 say world economy would face a shock, if UK leaves EU - so why did Cameron and the Tories risk this with the referendum?
Osborne agrees with G20 and states "imagine what this would do for the UK" so why George, did you risk this too? where is the so called famed economic competence?

Best thing for the UK would be for DC to call off referendum and resign.

peterbob

Its more important than the price of some feckers holiday.

peterbob

he backed himself into a corner agreeing to vote, he never thought the time would come dave's pro eu.
The reason it should be happening is because its a monumental decision that affects everyone so it's correct we get asked.
I don't understand why any has trouble with this concept in what is supposed to be a democrosy. If we vote out will you demand another until we vote in like Ireland did.

finchy

peterbob wrote:

he backed himself into a corner agreeing to vote, he never thought the time would come dave's pro eu.
The reason it should be happening is because its a monumental decision that affects everyone so it's correct we get asked.
I don't understand why any has trouble with this concept in what is supposed to be a democrosy. If we vote out will you demand another until we vote in like Ireland did.

Education, health and transport policy probably have more of an effect on you and me than EU membership, so why don't we get referenda on those as well?

finchy

The opinion polls are showing a fairly tight race, but with the young more inclined to remain, the elderly wanting to leave.

Old people are much more likely to vote.

We're going to pull out, aren't we?

rick_chasey

Stevo 666 wrote:

Please write to Gordon about the fx rates the prevailed in 2008-2010 which were on average weaker vs the euro than now.

Wait, the currency of the country with the biggest financial centre in Europe/most of the world fold faired worse during and just after the biggest global financial crisis in 75 years?

peterbob

finchy wrote:

The opinion polls are showing a fairly tight race, but with the young more inclined to remain, the elderly wanting to leave.

Old people are much more likely to vote.

We're going to pull out, aren't we?

I wouldn't object to more votes on big issues but obviously there is a lot of work implementing it I know.
I agree there are probably many other issues that affect us more.
strangely enough I want out (middle aged) but think we will remain in.

peterbob

Older folks feel they were deceived to what they were getting into in 1975, so won't let that happen again.

finchy

peterbob wrote:

finchy wrote:

The opinion polls are showing a fairly tight race, but with the young more inclined to remain, the elderly wanting to leave.

Old people are much more likely to vote.

We're going to pull out, aren't we?

I wouldn't object to more votes on big issues but obviously there is a lot of work implementing it I know.
I agree there are probably many other issues that affect us more.
strangely enough I want out (middle aged) but think we will remain in.

Yes, I'm not objecting to a referendum. As you say, it's a democracy and I'm supportive of any chance for the people to have more of a direct say on any issue whatsoever. If the government had to sell its ideas to the majority of the population, rather than just win over a slightly larger minority of the electorate than any of the other parties once every 5 years, we might see better policy, an informed citizen body and the people who make the decisions (i.e. us) having to live with the consequences of those decisions, rather than decision makers being pretty much insulated from the effects of their policies.

Stevo_666

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Please write to Gordon about the fx rates the prevailed in 2008-2010 which were on average weaker vs the euro than now.

Wait, the currency of the country with the biggest financial centre in Europe/most of the world fold faired worse during and just after the biggest global financial crisis in 75 years?

Just illustrating that currency markets fluctuate under labour as well as tories and the stuff happens. Don't think you quite got the point.

rick_chasey

i think some people are looking at cause over effect.

pliptrot

Stevo 666 wrote:

Less of the leftiebollox tory stereotyping please.


Besides, your original moan was that your hoiday would be more expensive. Selfish lefties, always looking after themselves while accusing others of the same thing

The selfish pr%&k detector always gets active with these comments, but the irony in this one is fantastic.

Stevo_666

pliptrot wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Less of the leftiebollox tory stereotyping please.


Besides, your original moan was that your hoiday would be more expensive. Selfish lefties, always looking after themselves while accusing others of the same thing

The selfish pr%&k detector always gets active with these comments, but the irony in this one is fantastic.

Looks like I touched more than one raw nerve then. Always flushes them out

verylonglegs

finchy wrote:

peterbob wrote:

he backed himself into a corner agreeing to vote, he never thought the time would come dave's pro eu.
The reason it should be happening is because its a monumental decision that affects everyone so it's correct we get asked.
I don't understand why any has trouble with this concept in what is supposed to be a democrosy. If we vote out will you demand another until we vote in like Ireland did.

Education, health and transport policy probably have more of an effect on you and me than EU membership, so why don't we get referenda on those as well?

The answer is UKIP, a political party that took up nearly 4 million votes at the last election which was the 3rd biggest share overall, it has become too big to ignore. If there was a party on a single issue like education that did the same then I suspect they would focus their attention on that instead.

Stevo_666

verylonglegs wrote:

finchy wrote:

peterbob wrote:

he backed himself into a corner agreeing to vote, he never thought the time would come dave's pro eu.
The reason it should be happening is because its a monumental decision that affects everyone so it's correct we get asked.
I don't understand why any has trouble with this concept in what is supposed to be a democrosy. If we vote out will you demand another until we vote in like Ireland did.

Education, health and transport policy probably have more of an effect on you and me than EU membership, so why don't we get referenda on those as well?

The answer is UKIP, a political party that took up nearly 4 million votes at the last election which was the 3rd biggest share overall, it has become too big to ignore. If there was a party on a single issue like education that did the same then I suspect they would focus their attention on that instead.

The answer was the general election when we get to vote on these things. No wonder finchy wants another vote on those things

mr_goo

Lookyhere wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Come on everybody think for yourselves. The £ has fallen 4% in 2106. If Wiggle knocked 4% off would you say the price had crashed. how much do you spend on holiday. 4% adds £40 to each grand you spend on holiday.

Glad you can foresee the future

its fallen a lot more than 4% and unnecessary too, not that the tories care about that.

http://www.exchangerates.org.uk/GBP-EUR ... story.html

looks like the weak economy has a lot to do with it too, if this carries on, by 2020, the electorate would have had enough of this shower.

And who is the viable alternative to this shower? Comrade 'must do my tie up' Corbyn? I don't think so sir. I do agree with you that the electorate will be fed up with the Tories by 2020. As indeed they get fed up with any party in power for 10+ years.
I just cannot see any way out of this two/three term cycle of Labour bankrupting the country and then the Tories having to bankrupt the population in order to repay the national debt.

finchy

Stevo 666 wrote:

verylonglegs wrote:

finchy wrote:

peterbob wrote:

he backed himself into a corner agreeing to vote, he never thought the time would come dave's pro eu.
The reason it should be happening is because its a monumental decision that affects everyone so it's correct we get asked.
I don't understand why any has trouble with this concept in what is supposed to be a democrosy. If we vote out will you demand another until we vote in like Ireland did.

Education, health and transport policy probably have more of an effect on you and me than EU membership, so why don't we get referenda on those as well?

The answer is UKIP, a political party that took up nearly 4 million votes at the last election which was the 3rd biggest share overall, it has become too big to ignore. If there was a party on a single issue like education that did the same then I suspect they would focus their attention on that instead.

The answer was the general election when we get to vote on these things. No wonder finchy wants another vote on those things

We can vote on EU membership in general elections too. Anyway, I'm sure you'd hate to see referenda in other areas, it might shatter a few of your illusions if we had government by the majority.

Stevo_666

The Tories were elected at the last general election with a mandate to hold a referendum on Europe.

As for your PR daydream, well dream on.