BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Well yes Westminster has struggled with the concept of Brexit, Im not sure your faith in the EU being a well oiled machine is any better though. Theirs plenty of problems in Europe and when i talk to my European friends they are equally despondent of their Governments as well. As much as we like to moan , we do a lot of things right in this country, of course we can do better but having lived in a number of European countries we do a lot right too.pblakeney said:
I meant Westminster as a whole. Struggling to see the positive.spatt77 said:
Well, your prediction was right , unfortunately we had May in charge which is why the time has been wasted! As for giving this shower more power, well it was either Boris or Magic Grandpa, take ya pick!pblakeney said:
Well, I predicted that outcome 4 years ago and the EU position has been constant since before the referendum yet our wonderful government have spent that time making hollow promises while marching blindly towards it.spatt77 said:
No, it doesn't! it`ll probably end up as no deal and that will be to the detriment of everyone but if the EU continue to want some kind of control that`s a unsustainable position!pblakeney said:Doesn’t help the trade negotiations though, does it?
And brexiteers wanted to give this shower more power?0 -
I am pretty sure that Rick is referring to the millions of people who will be impactedspatt77 said:
Well Im sorry Brexit inconveniences your life Rick, but that`s how the cookie crumbles!rick_chasey said:Brexiters haven't worked out yet, or don't care, how much of a f*cker it is if you have family split across the channel.
When you build your life around certain rights, to suddenly have those taken away....
as for the cookie crumbles comment - are you really that lacking in empathy?0 -
I am prepared to be cheered up with a list of things the last three Govts have done wellspatt77 said:
Well yes Westminster has struggled with the concept of Brexit, Im not sure your faith in the EU being a well oiled machine is any better though. Theirs plenty of problems in Europe and when i talk to my European friends they are equally despondent of their Governments as well. As much as we like to moan , we do a lot of things right in this country, of course we can do better but having lived in a number of European countries we do a lot right too.pblakeney said:
I meant Westminster as a whole. Struggling to see the positive.spatt77 said:
Well, your prediction was right , unfortunately we had May in charge which is why the time has been wasted! As for giving this shower more power, well it was either Boris or Magic Grandpa, take ya pick!pblakeney said:
Well, I predicted that outcome 4 years ago and the EU position has been constant since before the referendum yet our wonderful government have spent that time making hollow promises while marching blindly towards it.spatt77 said:
No, it doesn't! it`ll probably end up as no deal and that will be to the detriment of everyone but if the EU continue to want some kind of control that`s a unsustainable position!pblakeney said:Doesn’t help the trade negotiations though, does it?
And brexiteers wanted to give this shower more power?0 -
Furlough scheme?surrey_commuter said:
I am prepared to be cheered up with a list of things the last three Govts have done wellspatt77 said:
Well yes Westminster has struggled with the concept of Brexit, Im not sure your faith in the EU being a well oiled machine is any better though. Theirs plenty of problems in Europe and when i talk to my European friends they are equally despondent of their Governments as well. As much as we like to moan , we do a lot of things right in this country, of course we can do better but having lived in a number of European countries we do a lot right too.pblakeney said:
I meant Westminster as a whole. Struggling to see the positive.spatt77 said:
Well, your prediction was right , unfortunately we had May in charge which is why the time has been wasted! As for giving this shower more power, well it was either Boris or Magic Grandpa, take ya pick!pblakeney said:
Well, I predicted that outcome 4 years ago and the EU position has been constant since before the referendum yet our wonderful government have spent that time making hollow promises while marching blindly towards it.spatt77 said:
No, it doesn't! it`ll probably end up as no deal and that will be to the detriment of everyone but if the EU continue to want some kind of control that`s a unsustainable position!pblakeney said:Doesn’t help the trade negotiations though, does it?
And brexiteers wanted to give this shower more power?
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Thing is that while we were part of the group with a veto it meant we could keep them in rein, while they could do similar in return and it meant no major swings.spatt77 said:
Well yes Westminster has struggled with the concept of Brexit, Im not sure your faith in the EU being a well oiled machine is any better though. Theirs plenty of problems in Europe and when i talk to my European friends they are equally despondent of their Governments as well. As much as we like to moan , we do a lot of things right in this country, of course we can do better but having lived in a number of European countries we do a lot right too.pblakeney said:
I meant Westminster as a whole. Struggling to see the positive.spatt77 said:
Well, your prediction was right , unfortunately we had May in charge which is why the time has been wasted! As for giving this shower more power, well it was either Boris or Magic Grandpa, take ya pick!pblakeney said:
Well, I predicted that outcome 4 years ago and the EU position has been constant since before the referendum yet our wonderful government have spent that time making hollow promises while marching blindly towards it.spatt77 said:
No, it doesn't! it`ll probably end up as no deal and that will be to the detriment of everyone but if the EU continue to want some kind of control that`s a unsustainable position!pblakeney said:Doesn’t help the trade negotiations though, does it?
And brexiteers wanted to give this shower more power?
We now have BJ & co. untethered.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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so far so goodJeremy.89 said:
Furlough scheme?surrey_commuter said:
I am prepared to be cheered up with a list of things the last three Govts have done wellspatt77 said:
Well yes Westminster has struggled with the concept of Brexit, Im not sure your faith in the EU being a well oiled machine is any better though. Theirs plenty of problems in Europe and when i talk to my European friends they are equally despondent of their Governments as well. As much as we like to moan , we do a lot of things right in this country, of course we can do better but having lived in a number of European countries we do a lot right too.pblakeney said:
I meant Westminster as a whole. Struggling to see the positive.spatt77 said:
Well, your prediction was right , unfortunately we had May in charge which is why the time has been wasted! As for giving this shower more power, well it was either Boris or Magic Grandpa, take ya pick!pblakeney said:
Well, I predicted that outcome 4 years ago and the EU position has been constant since before the referendum yet our wonderful government have spent that time making hollow promises while marching blindly towards it.spatt77 said:
No, it doesn't! it`ll probably end up as no deal and that will be to the detriment of everyone but if the EU continue to want some kind of control that`s a unsustainable position!pblakeney said:Doesn’t help the trade negotiations though, does it?
And brexiteers wanted to give this shower more power?0 -
Im sure Rick was referring to the millions that will be impacted! what about the millions that have be impacted negatively over the last 40 odd years? Small business that have to follow EU regs whilst never doing any business with the continent.surrey_commuter said:
I am pretty sure that Rick is referring to the millions of people who will be impactedspatt77 said:
Well Im sorry Brexit inconveniences your life Rick, but that`s how the cookie crumbles!rick_chasey said:Brexiters haven't worked out yet, or don't care, how much of a f*cker it is if you have family split across the channel.
When you build your life around certain rights, to suddenly have those taken away....
as for the cookie crumbles comment - are you really that lacking in empathy?0 -
That would be all well and good however nearly every major decision since the Lisbon treaty has been decided by QMV!pblakeney said:
Thing is that while we were part of the group with a veto it meant we could keep them in rein, while they could do similar in return and it meant no major swings.spatt77 said:
Well yes Westminster has struggled with the concept of Brexit, Im not sure your faith in the EU being a well oiled machine is any better though. Theirs plenty of problems in Europe and when i talk to my European friends they are equally despondent of their Governments as well. As much as we like to moan , we do a lot of things right in this country, of course we can do better but having lived in a number of European countries we do a lot right too.pblakeney said:
I meant Westminster as a whole. Struggling to see the positive.spatt77 said:
Well, your prediction was right , unfortunately we had May in charge which is why the time has been wasted! As for giving this shower more power, well it was either Boris or Magic Grandpa, take ya pick!pblakeney said:
Well, I predicted that outcome 4 years ago and the EU position has been constant since before the referendum yet our wonderful government have spent that time making hollow promises while marching blindly towards it.spatt77 said:
No, it doesn't! it`ll probably end up as no deal and that will be to the detriment of everyone but if the EU continue to want some kind of control that`s a unsustainable position!pblakeney said:Doesn’t help the trade negotiations though, does it?
And brexiteers wanted to give this shower more power?
We now have BJ & co. untethered.0 -
Which Westminster had opt outs that they decided not to use.spatt77 said:
That would be all well and good however nearly every major decision since the Lisbon treaty has been decided by QMV!pblakeney said:
Thing is that while we were part of the group with a veto it meant we could keep them in rein, while they could do similar in return and it meant no major swings.spatt77 said:
Well yes Westminster has struggled with the concept of Brexit, Im not sure your faith in the EU being a well oiled machine is any better though. Theirs plenty of problems in Europe and when i talk to my European friends they are equally despondent of their Governments as well. As much as we like to moan , we do a lot of things right in this country, of course we can do better but having lived in a number of European countries we do a lot right too.pblakeney said:
I meant Westminster as a whole. Struggling to see the positive.spatt77 said:
Well, your prediction was right , unfortunately we had May in charge which is why the time has been wasted! As for giving this shower more power, well it was either Boris or Magic Grandpa, take ya pick!pblakeney said:
Well, I predicted that outcome 4 years ago and the EU position has been constant since before the referendum yet our wonderful government have spent that time making hollow promises while marching blindly towards it.spatt77 said:
No, it doesn't! it`ll probably end up as no deal and that will be to the detriment of everyone but if the EU continue to want some kind of control that`s a unsustainable position!pblakeney said:Doesn’t help the trade negotiations though, does it?
And brexiteers wanted to give this shower more power?
We now have BJ & co. untethered.
You don't have to look far to point the finger.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
So wont it be good that Westminster wont have the EU to blame anymore? surely thats got to be good for democracy?pblakeney said:
Which Westminster had opt outs that they decided not to use.spatt77 said:
That would be all well and good however nearly every major decision since the Lisbon treaty has been decided by QMV!pblakeney said:
Thing is that while we were part of the group with a veto it meant we could keep them in rein, while they could do similar in return and it meant no major swings.spatt77 said:
Well yes Westminster has struggled with the concept of Brexit, Im not sure your faith in the EU being a well oiled machine is any better though. Theirs plenty of problems in Europe and when i talk to my European friends they are equally despondent of their Governments as well. As much as we like to moan , we do a lot of things right in this country, of course we can do better but having lived in a number of European countries we do a lot right too.pblakeney said:
I meant Westminster as a whole. Struggling to see the positive.spatt77 said:
Well, your prediction was right , unfortunately we had May in charge which is why the time has been wasted! As for giving this shower more power, well it was either Boris or Magic Grandpa, take ya pick!pblakeney said:
Well, I predicted that outcome 4 years ago and the EU position has been constant since before the referendum yet our wonderful government have spent that time making hollow promises while marching blindly towards it.spatt77 said:
No, it doesn't! it`ll probably end up as no deal and that will be to the detriment of everyone but if the EU continue to want some kind of control that`s a unsustainable position!pblakeney said:Doesn’t help the trade negotiations though, does it?
And brexiteers wanted to give this shower more power?
We now have BJ & co. untethered.
You don't have to look far to point the finger.0 -
As the 2016 referendum uncovered Westminster were wildly out of touch with the electorate on the EU.pblakeney said:
Which Westminster had opt outs that they decided not to use.spatt77 said:
That would be all well and good however nearly every major decision since the Lisbon treaty has been decided by QMV!pblakeney said:
Thing is that while we were part of the group with a veto it meant we could keep them in rein, while they could do similar in return and it meant no major swings.spatt77 said:
Well yes Westminster has struggled with the concept of Brexit, Im not sure your faith in the EU being a well oiled machine is any better though. Theirs plenty of problems in Europe and when i talk to my European friends they are equally despondent of their Governments as well. As much as we like to moan , we do a lot of things right in this country, of course we can do better but having lived in a number of European countries we do a lot right too.pblakeney said:
I meant Westminster as a whole. Struggling to see the positive.spatt77 said:
Well, your prediction was right , unfortunately we had May in charge which is why the time has been wasted! As for giving this shower more power, well it was either Boris or Magic Grandpa, take ya pick!pblakeney said:
Well, I predicted that outcome 4 years ago and the EU position has been constant since before the referendum yet our wonderful government have spent that time making hollow promises while marching blindly towards it.spatt77 said:
No, it doesn't! it`ll probably end up as no deal and that will be to the detriment of everyone but if the EU continue to want some kind of control that`s a unsustainable position!pblakeney said:Doesn’t help the trade negotiations though, does it?
And brexiteers wanted to give this shower more power?
We now have BJ & co. untethered.
You don't have to look far to point the finger.
Had they not been so out of touch with the electorate on this, they would not have given away so much to the EU over the years and the electorate would not have had to vote to leave as we would not have signed up originally.1 -
You'd think so but as the tories still blame labour for anything they can I think the blame game will run on for a while. Not sure that it will affect democracy.spatt77 said:
So wont it be good that Westminster wont have the EU to blame anymore? surely thats got to be good for democracy?pblakeney said:
Which Westminster had opt outs that they decided not to use.spatt77 said:
That would be all well and good however nearly every major decision since the Lisbon treaty has been decided by QMV!pblakeney said:
Thing is that while we were part of the group with a veto it meant we could keep them in rein, while they could do similar in return and it meant no major swings.spatt77 said:
Well yes Westminster has struggled with the concept of Brexit, Im not sure your faith in the EU being a well oiled machine is any better though. Theirs plenty of problems in Europe and when i talk to my European friends they are equally despondent of their Governments as well. As much as we like to moan , we do a lot of things right in this country, of course we can do better but having lived in a number of European countries we do a lot right too.pblakeney said:
I meant Westminster as a whole. Struggling to see the positive.spatt77 said:
Well, your prediction was right , unfortunately we had May in charge which is why the time has been wasted! As for giving this shower more power, well it was either Boris or Magic Grandpa, take ya pick!pblakeney said:
Well, I predicted that outcome 4 years ago and the EU position has been constant since before the referendum yet our wonderful government have spent that time making hollow promises while marching blindly towards it.spatt77 said:
No, it doesn't! it`ll probably end up as no deal and that will be to the detriment of everyone but if the EU continue to want some kind of control that`s a unsustainable position!pblakeney said:Doesn’t help the trade negotiations though, does it?
And brexiteers wanted to give this shower more power?
We now have BJ & co. untethered.
You don't have to look far to point the finger.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Go on, list the negative impacts thenspatt77 said:what about the millions that have be impacted negatively over the last 40 odd years? Small business that have to follow EU regs whilst never doing any business with the continent.
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CFP, CAP, £10 BILLION A YEAR! THAT DO YA?bompington said:
Go on, list the negative impacts thenspatt77 said:what about the millions that have be impacted negatively over the last 40 odd years? Small business that have to follow EU regs whilst never doing any business with the continent.
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Keep going as that only scratches the surfacespatt77 said:
CFP, CAP, £10 BILLION A YEAR! THAT DO YA?bompington said:
Go on, list the negative impacts thenspatt77 said:what about the millions that have be impacted negatively over the last 40 odd years? Small business that have to follow EU regs whilst never doing any business with the continent.
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Read this:
Try this:bompington said:
Go on, list the negative impacts thenspatt77 said:what about the millions that have be impacted negatively over the last 40 odd years? Small business that have to follow EU regs whilst never doing any business with the continent.
https://google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.eesc.europa.eu/resources/docs/costregulation_2009_bis-2009-00286-01.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiMj9qWh6jqAhVUtnEKHZGGDWYQFjACegQIBhAO&usg=AOvVaw3OVDLmQnhOjTuz9jB_bS0F
About €1.6 trillion a year across the EU according to the report. And that was a while ago."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
So we're back to the same old bull that went on the side of the bus: a crude calc of the outgoings without bothering to fill in the other side of the ledger.
I tell you, give up eating, it's not worth it! I've spent £5,000 on it this year alone!0 -
Go on then, show us the evidence for the upside that outweighs the €1.6 trillion a year cost.bompington said:So we're back to the same old bull that went on the side of the bus: a crude calc of the outgoings without bothering to fill in the other side of the ledger.
I tell you, give up eating, it's not worth it! I've spent £5,000 on it this year alone!
€1.6 thousand billion a year cost, just for EU regulation. Let that sink in for a bit. That's €3,200 every year for every man, woman and child in the EU. And that was over a decade ago.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Perhaps the figure on the side of the bus should have been revised upwards eh?Stevo_666 said:
Go on then, show us the evidence for the upside that outweighs the €1.6 trillion a year cost.bompington said:So we're back to the same old bull that went on the side of the bus: a crude calc of the outgoings without bothering to fill in the other side of the ledger.
I tell you, give up eating, it's not worth it! I've spent £5,000 on it this year alone!
€1.6 thousand billion a year cost, just for EU regulation. Let that sink in for a bit. That's €3,200 every year for every man, woman and child in the EU. And that was over a decade ago.
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Remarkable.
All the news about the increased faff of doing business with Britain’s largest trading partner and that’s the best reason you come up with?
I mean, I’ve got a sh!t load of bridges to sell you.0 -
Does Coop have a holiday home in the Dordogne..?
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Not yet. But the way the SJW's are trying to destroy the UK, retirement/living abroad is getting more thought, especially with the opportunities that WFH brings.ddraver said:Does Coop have a holiday home in the Dordogne..?
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“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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Hilarious - likely fiction too...ddraver said:Does Coop have a holiday home in the Dordogne..?
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other than the untried IT system that does not seem a bad idea.tailwindhome said:
People will not realise the benefits of the SM/CU until we have left and they will just have to accept that many things will be less good than they were before0 -
Looking forward to the outrage in the post office when people realise the faff I had to go through to post a small box of my own, slightly ratty ski clothes from Switzerland to the UK.
Then what happens when their box from Amazon.de comes with a whacking great customs charge on top...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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don't you pathetic quitters ever give up whining?coopster_the_1st said:
That ship sailed for you in June 2016. I'll give you a hint, you lost that one as well!sungod said:
that'll be the 2019 general election where the majority voted for parties committed to peoples' vote and/or remaincoopster_the_1st said:
Ignore the losers, in the same way as they ignore the 2019 GE, the 2019 Euro Elections and the 2016 Referendum results.spatt77 said:
Well, it depends where this poll was taken, if it was taken in Bristol and London you get this kinda result!bompington said:https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/brexit-poll-most-british-people-want-to-rejoin-eu-2020-6?amp
The Will of the People indeed.
Let's take the 2019 GE. The way the Lib Dumbs had a fantastic election by losing seats shows where the public really are, rather than some biased, clickbait poll.
Remoaners do like to selectively pick the stats to try to say they won despite being the losers. The 2019 GE was won by the leavers under the rules of that election process.
It is now up to remoaners to accept they lost democractically otherwise they will continue to fuel the widening divisions in the UK
Applying your losers logic to Scotland means it should already be independent of the UK, yet in 2014 when asked directly the Scottish gave their view for the next generation.
my bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny1 -
ah the note from the Post office with an outrageous amount of customs due leaving you to consider whether to pay or not.ddraver said:Looking forward to the outrage in the post office when people realise the faff I had to go through to post a small box of my own, slightly ratty ski clothes from Switzerland to the UK.
Then what happens when their box from Amazon.de comes with a whacking great customs charge on top...1
