BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

Stevo_666

ballysmate said:

Stevo_666 said:

bompington said:

So we're back to the same old bull that went on the side of the bus: a crude calc of the outgoings without bothering to fill in the other side of the ledger.

I tell you, give up eating, it's not worth it! I've spent £5,000 on it this year alone!

Go on then, show us the evidence for the upside that outweighs the €1.6 trillion a year cost.

€1.6 thousand billion a year cost, just for EU regulation. Let that sink in for a bit. That's €3,200 every year for every man, woman and child in the EU. And that was over a decade ago.

Perhaps the figure on the side of the bus should have been revised upwards eh?

Needs to be on the side of an EU bus as well.

All we are missing now is the evidence of the upsides that outweigh this not inconsequential amount.

Stevo_666

rick_chasey said:

Remarkable.

All the news about the increased faff of doing business with Britain’s largest trading partner and that’s the best reason you come up with?

I mean, I’ve got a sh!t load of bridges to sell you.

The amount I quoted is not far off the annual GDP of the UK. Just on the annual cost of EU regulation. Are you trying to say that is an inconsequential amount?

kingstongraham

Stevo_666 said:

Read this:

bompington said:

spatt77 said:

what about the millions that have be impacted negatively over the last 40 odd years? Small business that have to follow EU regs whilst never doing any business with the continent.

Go on, list the negative impacts then

Try this:
https://google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.eesc.europa.eu/resources/docs/costregulation_2009_bis-2009-00286-01.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiMj9qWh6jqAhVUtnEKHZGGDWYQFjACegQIBhAO&usg=AOvVaw3OVDLmQnhOjTuz9jB_bS0F

About €1.6 trillion a year across the EU according to the report. And that was a while ago.

Says between €.462trn and €1.6trn over the course of 11 years. Mid point they calculate to be €2,082 per person over 11 years.

I assume that includes safety standards, food standards, animal welfare and employment standards (for those that were included at the time).

surrey_commuter

Stevo_666 said:

ballysmate said:

Stevo_666 said:

bompington said:

So we're back to the same old bull that went on the side of the bus: a crude calc of the outgoings without bothering to fill in the other side of the ledger.

I tell you, give up eating, it's not worth it! I've spent £5,000 on it this year alone!

Go on then, show us the evidence for the upside that outweighs the €1.6 trillion a year cost.

€1.6 thousand billion a year cost, just for EU regulation. Let that sink in for a bit. That's €3,200 every year for every man, woman and child in the EU. And that was over a decade ago.

Perhaps the figure on the side of the bus should have been revised upwards eh?

Needs to be on the side of an EU bus as well.

All we are missing now is the evidence of the upsides that outseigh this not inconsequential amount.

How about the referendum knocking 2.5% off UK GDP which is £50bn this year and cumulative total of £130bn?

bompington

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Remarkable.

All the news about the increased faff of doing business with Britain’s largest trading partner and that’s the best reason you come up with?

I mean, I’ve got a sh!t load of bridges to sell you.

The amount I quoted is not far off the annual GDP of the UK. Just on the annual cost of EU regulation. Are you trying to say that is an inconsequential amount?

Let me try and get this straight because Leaver Logic is not always easy to follow - are you saying that the UK's entire output has gone to pay the costs of being an EU member?

kingstongraham

bompington said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Remarkable.

All the news about the increased faff of doing business with Britain’s largest trading partner and that’s the best reason you come up with?

I mean, I’ve got a sh!t load of bridges to sell you.

The amount I quoted is not far off the annual GDP of the UK. Just on the annual cost of EU regulation. Are you trying to say that is an inconsequential amount?

Let me try and get this straight because Leaver Logic is not always easy to follow - are you saying that the UK's entire output has gone to pay the costs of being an EU member?

I'm not sure he read the document he linked to very thoroughly.

surrey_commuter

kingstongraham said:

bompington said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Remarkable.

All the news about the increased faff of doing business with Britain’s largest trading partner and that’s the best reason you come up with?

I mean, I’ve got a sh!t load of bridges to sell you.

The amount I quoted is not far off the annual GDP of the UK. Just on the annual cost of EU regulation. Are you trying to say that is an inconsequential amount?

Let me try and get this straight because Leaver Logic is not always easy to follow - are you saying that the UK's entire output has gone to pay the costs of being an EU member?

I'm not sure he read the document he linked to very thoroughly.

they seem to be extrapolating from a number that Mandelson came up with and then multiplying it so his analysis would be in keeping

kingstongraham

surrey_commuter said:

kingstongraham said:

bompington said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Remarkable.

All the news about the increased faff of doing business with Britain’s largest trading partner and that’s the best reason you come up with?

I mean, I’ve got a sh!t load of bridges to sell you.

The amount I quoted is not far off the annual GDP of the UK. Just on the annual cost of EU regulation. Are you trying to say that is an inconsequential amount?

Let me try and get this straight because Leaver Logic is not always easy to follow - are you saying that the UK's entire output has gone to pay the costs of being an EU member?

I'm not sure he read the document he linked to very thoroughly.

they seem to be extrapolating from a number that Mandelson came up with and then multiplying it so his analysis would be in keeping

I admit that I had forgotten about what the document said on page 4 when I got to page 21 which says something else. Mea culpa. No idea which is accurate, if either.

rjsterry

Stevo_666 said:

bompington said:

So we're back to the same old bull that went on the side of the bus: a crude calc of the outgoings without bothering to fill in the other side of the ledger.

I tell you, give up eating, it's not worth it! I've spent £5,000 on it this year alone!

Go on then, show us the evidence for the upside that outweighs the €1.6 trillion a year cost.

€1.6 thousand billion a year cost, just for EU regulation. Let that sink in for a bit. That's €3,200 every year for every man, woman and child in the EU. And that was over a decade ago.

Whereas post EU Britain will have absolutely no regulation and will not impose a single penny of cost on any business ever.

😒

If ministerial briefing is to be believed, standards will not be lowered at all, so I guess we'll all still keep paying that extra money.

Stevo_666

bompington said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Remarkable.

All the news about the increased faff of doing business with Britain’s largest trading partner and that’s the best reason you come up with?

I mean, I’ve got a sh!t load of bridges to sell you.

The amount I quoted is not far off the annual GDP of the UK. Just on the annual cost of EU regulation. Are you trying to say that is an inconsequential amount?

Let me try and get this straight because Leaver Logic is not always easy to follow - are you saying that the UK's entire output has gone to pay the costs of being an EU member?

That is the cost across Europe. So it's not just a UK issue.

Stevo_666

kingstongraham said:

bompington said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Remarkable.

All the news about the increased faff of doing business with Britain’s largest trading partner and that’s the best reason you come up with?

I mean, I’ve got a sh!t load of bridges to sell you.

The amount I quoted is not far off the annual GDP of the UK. Just on the annual cost of EU regulation. Are you trying to say that is an inconsequential amount?

Let me try and get this straight because Leaver Logic is not always easy to follow - are you saying that the UK's entire output has gone to pay the costs of being an EU member?

I'm not sure he read the document he linked to very thoroughly.

See my post above.

Stevo_666

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

bompington said:

So we're back to the same old bull that went on the side of the bus: a crude calc of the outgoings without bothering to fill in the other side of the ledger.

I tell you, give up eating, it's not worth it! I've spent £5,000 on it this year alone!

Go on then, show us the evidence for the upside that outweighs the €1.6 trillion a year cost.

€1.6 thousand billion a year cost, just for EU regulation. Let that sink in for a bit. That's €3,200 every year for every man, woman and child in the EU. And that was over a decade ago.

Whereas post EU Britain will have absolutely no regulation and will not impose a single penny of cost on any business ever.

😒

If ministerial briefing is to be believed, standards will not be lowered at all, so I guess we'll all still keep paying that extra money.

Clearly we have administrative costs but we would need to be going it some to get near the cost per head of the EU. Point here is that we cold have done a lot of this without all of the cost, but the EU clearly liked big expensive bureaucratic structures, centralised control and scope creep. Which is a good part why we are where we are now.

kingstongraham

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

bompington said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Remarkable.

All the news about the increased faff of doing business with Britain’s largest trading partner and that’s the best reason you come up with?

I mean, I’ve got a sh!t load of bridges to sell you.

The amount I quoted is not far off the annual GDP of the UK. Just on the annual cost of EU regulation. Are you trying to say that is an inconsequential amount?

Let me try and get this straight because Leaver Logic is not always easy to follow - are you saying that the UK's entire output has gone to pay the costs of being an EU member?

I'm not sure he read the document he linked to very thoroughly.

See my post above.

No, it was me who misread it. It looks pretty much like a finger in the air guess, and doesn't match very well with what Dominic Cummings cited which was £33bn per year for the UK.

The number on page 21 looks like a guess for a different figure - the cost of new regulations in the 11 years since 1998.

Stevo_666

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

ballysmate said:

Stevo_666 said:

bompington said:

So we're back to the same old bull that went on the side of the bus: a crude calc of the outgoings without bothering to fill in the other side of the ledger.

I tell you, give up eating, it's not worth it! I've spent £5,000 on it this year alone!

Go on then, show us the evidence for the upside that outweighs the €1.6 trillion a year cost.

€1.6 thousand billion a year cost, just for EU regulation. Let that sink in for a bit. That's €3,200 every year for every man, woman and child in the EU. And that was over a decade ago.

Perhaps the figure on the side of the bus should have been revised upwards eh?

Needs to be on the side of an EU bus as well.

All we are missing now is the evidence of the upsides that outseigh this not inconsequential amount.

How about the referendum knocking 2.5% off UK GDP which is £50bn this year and cumulative total of £130bn?

Assuming the difference would have been that amount it would go some way to offsetting the burden of EU regulation - as previously debated, we will never know for sure...but as we have already decided to leave, that is a sunk cost anyway so the best course of action is to reduce our cost burden via less burdensome regulation.

surrey_commuter

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

bompington said:

So we're back to the same old bull that went on the side of the bus: a crude calc of the outgoings without bothering to fill in the other side of the ledger.

I tell you, give up eating, it's not worth it! I've spent £5,000 on it this year alone!

Go on then, show us the evidence for the upside that outweighs the €1.6 trillion a year cost.

€1.6 thousand billion a year cost, just for EU regulation. Let that sink in for a bit. That's €3,200 every year for every man, woman and child in the EU. And that was over a decade ago.

Whereas post EU Britain will have absolutely no regulation and will not impose a single penny of cost on any business ever.

😒

If ministerial briefing is to be believed, standards will not be lowered at all, so I guess we'll all still keep paying that extra money.

Clearly we have administrative costs but we would need to be going it some to get near the cost per head of the EU. Point here is that we cold have done a lot of this without all of the cost, but the EU clearly liked big expensive bureaucratic structures, centralised control and scope creep. Which is a good part why we are where we are now.

how many extra bodies have we recruited to staff the quangos and regulatory bodies to do what the EU used to do for us?

surrey_commuter

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

ballysmate said:

Stevo_666 said:

bompington said:

So we're back to the same old bull that went on the side of the bus: a crude calc of the outgoings without bothering to fill in the other side of the ledger.

I tell you, give up eating, it's not worth it! I've spent £5,000 on it this year alone!

Go on then, show us the evidence for the upside that outweighs the €1.6 trillion a year cost.

€1.6 thousand billion a year cost, just for EU regulation. Let that sink in for a bit. That's €3,200 every year for every man, woman and child in the EU. And that was over a decade ago.

Perhaps the figure on the side of the bus should have been revised upwards eh?

Needs to be on the side of an EU bus as well.

All we are missing now is the evidence of the upsides that outseigh this not inconsequential amount.

How about the referendum knocking 2.5% off UK GDP which is £50bn this year and cumulative total of £130bn?

Assuming the difference would have been that amount it would go some way to offsetting the burden of EU regulation - as previously debated, we will never know for sure...but as we have already decided to leave, that is a sunk cost anyway so the best course of action is to reduce our cost burden via less burdensome regulation.

and when was the last time that any govt reduced the amount of regulation.

That is the staple manifesto/budget pledge to make the books balance by cracking down on tax avoiders and benefit cheats whilst making efficiency savings and reducing red tape

Stevo_666

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

ballysmate said:

Stevo_666 said:

bompington said:

So we're back to the same old bull that went on the side of the bus: a crude calc of the outgoings without bothering to fill in the other side of the ledger.

I tell you, give up eating, it's not worth it! I've spent £5,000 on it this year alone!

Go on then, show us the evidence for the upside that outweighs the €1.6 trillion a year cost.

€1.6 thousand billion a year cost, just for EU regulation. Let that sink in for a bit. That's €3,200 every year for every man, woman and child in the EU. And that was over a decade ago.

Perhaps the figure on the side of the bus should have been revised upwards eh?

Needs to be on the side of an EU bus as well.

All we are missing now is the evidence of the upsides that outseigh this not inconsequential amount.

How about the referendum knocking 2.5% off UK GDP which is £50bn this year and cumulative total of £130bn?

Assuming the difference would have been that amount it would go some way to offsetting the burden of EU regulation - as previously debated, we will never know for sure...but as we have already decided to leave, that is a sunk cost anyway so the best course of action is to reduce our cost burden via less burdensome regulation.

and when was the last time that any govt reduced the amount of regulation.

That is the staple manifesto/budget pledge to make the books balance by cracking down on tax avoiders and benefit cheats whilst making efficiency savings and reducing red tape

We can but hope. But staying hitched to the EU is a surefire way of increasing the regulatory burden and cost. Their mantra seems to be 'if in doubt, regulate'

mfin

Barnier confirms UK has missed Brexit equivalence assessment deadline

https://cityam.com/barnier-confirms-uk-has-not-completed-brexit-equivalence-assessments/

Stevo_666

mfin said:

Barnier confirms UK has missed Brexit equivalence assessment deadline

https://cityam.com/barnier-confirms-uk-has-not-completed-brexit-equivalence-assessments/

I guess that is also bad news for EU firms who wish to operate in/have access to the world's largest financial market. Unless of course the EU realises this and are playing games...

tailwindhome

Deadline passed.
There'll be no extension

TheBigBean

tailwindhome said:

Deadline passed.
There'll be no extension

Under the withdrawal agreement.

surrey_commuter

TheBigBean said:

tailwindhome said:

Deadline passed.
There'll be no extension

Under the withdrawal agreement.

If we are not bothered enough to fill out the forms why do you think we would ask for an extension

If you ignore the words and study the actions they seem to pursuing an ideologically pure clean break.

coopster_the_1st

tailwindhome said:

Deadline passed.
There'll be no extension

Good!

rick_chasey

Stevo_666 said:

mfin said:

Barnier confirms UK has missed Brexit equivalence assessment deadline

https://cityam.com/barnier-confirms-uk-has-not-completed-brexit-equivalence-assessments/

I guess that is also bad news for EU firms who wish to operate in/have access to the world's largest financial market. Unless of course the EU realises this and are playing games...

This is so stupid. Just do the f*cking paperwork.

surrey_commuter

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

mfin said:

Barnier confirms UK has missed Brexit equivalence assessment deadline

https://cityam.com/barnier-confirms-uk-has-not-completed-brexit-equivalence-assessments/

I guess that is also bad news for EU firms who wish to operate in/have access to the world's largest financial market. Unless of course the EU realises this and are playing games...

This is so stupid. Just do the f*cking paperwork.

I am thinking next on the list will be ECHR, ICC then climate change agreement thingy. Don’t think they will have the balls to leave UN, NATO or WTO without Yanks leaving first.

rjsterry

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

bompington said:

So we're back to the same old bull that went on the side of the bus: a crude calc of the outgoings without bothering to fill in the other side of the ledger.

I tell you, give up eating, it's not worth it! I've spent £5,000 on it this year alone!

Go on then, show us the evidence for the upside that outweighs the €1.6 trillion a year cost.

€1.6 thousand billion a year cost, just for EU regulation. Let that sink in for a bit. That's €3,200 every year for every man, woman and child in the EU. And that was over a decade ago.

Whereas post EU Britain will have absolutely no regulation and will not impose a single penny of cost on any business ever.

😒

If ministerial briefing is to be believed, standards will not be lowered at all, so I guess we'll all still keep paying that extra money.

Clearly we have administrative costs but we would need to be going it some to get near the cost per head of the EU. Point here is that we cold have done a lot of this without all of the cost, but the EU clearly liked big expensive bureaucratic structures, centralised control and scope creep. Which is a good part why we are where we are now.

Given we pushed for some of the regulation and in some areas our UK requirements exceed those imposed by the EU, I'd be interested to know if anyone has actually calculated this number or you just feel intuitively that it should be less.

rick_chasey

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

mfin said:

Barnier confirms UK has missed Brexit equivalence assessment deadline

https://cityam.com/barnier-confirms-uk-has-not-completed-brexit-equivalence-assessments/

I guess that is also bad news for EU firms who wish to operate in/have access to the world's largest financial market. Unless of course the EU realises this and are playing games...

This is so stupid. Just do the f*cking paperwork.

I am thinking next on the list will be ECHR, ICC then climate change agreement thingy. Don’t think they will have the balls to leave UN, NATO or WTO without Yanks leaving first.

I am f@cking furious about this.

There is no good reason not to do the paperwork.

This is only sh!t for everyone involved and it's entirely on the UK.

I dare anyone to defend this appalling bit of governance.

coopster_the_1st

rick_chasey said:

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

mfin said:

Barnier confirms UK has missed Brexit equivalence assessment deadline

https://cityam.com/barnier-confirms-uk-has-not-completed-brexit-equivalence-assessments/

I guess that is also bad news for EU firms who wish to operate in/have access to the world's largest financial market. Unless of course the EU realises this and are playing games...

This is so stupid. Just do the f*cking paperwork.

I am thinking next on the list will be ECHR, ICC then climate change agreement thingy. Don’t think they will have the balls to leave UN, NATO or WTO without Yanks leaving first.

I am f@cking furious about this.

There is no good reason not to do the paperwork.

This is only sh!t for everyone involved and it's entirely on the UK.

I dare anyone to defend this appalling bit of governance.

If it is upsetting you, that means we are going in the right direction. Thanks for confirming the UK is doing the correct thing

pblakeney

rick_chasey said:

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

mfin said:

Barnier confirms UK has missed Brexit equivalence assessment deadline

https://cityam.com/barnier-confirms-uk-has-not-completed-brexit-equivalence-assessments/

I guess that is also bad news for EU firms who wish to operate in/have access to the world's largest financial market. Unless of course the EU realises this and are playing games...

This is so stupid. Just do the f*cking paperwork.

I am thinking next on the list will be ECHR, ICC then climate change agreement thingy. Don’t think they will have the balls to leave UN, NATO or WTO without Yanks leaving first.

I am f@cking furious about this.

There is no good reason not to do the paperwork.

This is only sh!t for everyone involved and it's entirely on the UK.

I dare anyone to defend this appalling bit of governance.

You are basing this entirely on the premise that they actually want a deal.
Look at it from the point of view that they don't, but are pretending they do.

rick_chasey

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

mfin said:

Barnier confirms UK has missed Brexit equivalence assessment deadline

https://cityam.com/barnier-confirms-uk-has-not-completed-brexit-equivalence-assessments/

I guess that is also bad news for EU firms who wish to operate in/have access to the world's largest financial market. Unless of course the EU realises this and are playing games...

This is so stupid. Just do the f*cking paperwork.

I am thinking next on the list will be ECHR, ICC then climate change agreement thingy. Don’t think they will have the balls to leave UN, NATO or WTO without Yanks leaving first.

I am f@cking furious about this.

There is no good reason not to do the paperwork.

This is only sh!t for everyone involved and it's entirely on the UK.

I dare anyone to defend this appalling bit of governance.

You are basing this entirely on the premise that they actually want a deal.
Look at it from the point of view that they don't, but are pretending they do.

*even if they don't there is no excuse not to do it*

It is f*cking lazy. Lazy lazy lazy lazy lazy.