BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Fuck knows, ask Daniel Hannan or any of the other leavers who argued that they weren't threatening our membership of the single market.
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I think your getting the SM mixed up with the "Market" even in the event of no deal we`ll still be trading with the EU, just a little harder! The EU have made it clear being in the SM means having the Four Freedoms!Jeremy.89 said:censored knows, ask Daniel Hannan or any of the other leavers who argued that they weren't threatening our membership of the single market.
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I know what the SM is but what do you mean by the “Market”?spatt77 said:
I think your getting the SM mixed up with the "Market" even in the event of no deal we`ll still be trading with the EU, just a little harder! The EU have made it clear being in the SM means having the Four Freedoms!Jeremy.89 said:censored knows, ask Daniel Hannan or any of the other leavers who argued that they weren't threatening our membership of the single market.
The SM is the four freedoms.1 -
No, I'm not. Any number of leavers can be found saying they wouldn't leave the single market. Or saying how they admire Norway.spatt77 said:
I think your getting the SM mixed up with the "Market" even in the event of no deal we`ll still be trading with the EU, just a little harder! The EU have made it clear being in the SM means having the Four Freedoms!Jeremy.89 said:censored knows, ask Daniel Hannan or any of the other leavers who argued that they weren't threatening our membership of the single market.
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The Peruvian b’stard writes English considerably better than This is from May 2018Jeremy.89 said:
No, I'm not. Any number of leavers can be found saying they wouldn't leave the single market. Or saying how they admire Norway.spatt77 said:
I think your getting the SM mixed up with the "Market" even in the event of no deal we`ll still be trading with the EU, just a little harder! The EU have made it clear being in the SM means having the Four Freedoms!Jeremy.89 said:censored knows, ask Daniel Hannan or any of the other leavers who argued that they weren't threatening our membership of the single market.
The only geographically European states that don’t have unhindered access to EU markets are Belarus and Russia. No one seriously thinks that that would be Britain’s future.0 -
You're right, the SM is the four freedoms, any country has access to the EU " Market" but it wont be on the same terms! that`s fine, the EU have stated that, but they want exactly the same terms on fisheries! If we cant have it both ways neither can the EU!surrey_commuter said:
I know what the SM is but what do you mean by the “Market”?spatt77 said:
I think your getting the SM mixed up with the "Market" even in the event of no deal we`ll still be trading with the EU, just a little harder! The EU have made it clear being in the SM means having the Four Freedoms!Jeremy.89 said:censored knows, ask Daniel Hannan or any of the other leavers who argued that they weren't threatening our membership of the single market.
The SM is the four freedoms.0 -
The Norway option was held up as a holding postion until we got a FTA, but as chief remainer Blair said, we should be either in or out this halfway house is the worst of both worlds.Jeremy.89 said:
No, I'm not. Any number of leavers can be found saying they wouldn't leave the single market. Or saying how they admire Norway.spatt77 said:
I think your getting the SM mixed up with the "Market" even in the event of no deal we`ll still be trading with the EU, just a little harder! The EU have made it clear being in the SM means having the Four Freedoms!Jeremy.89 said:censored knows, ask Daniel Hannan or any of the other leavers who argued that they weren't threatening our membership of the single market.
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I really don’t get what you mean by the EU “Market” to help me understand could you list the key ways it is different from the SMspatt77 said:
You're right, the SM is the four freedoms, any country has access to the EU " Market" but it wont be on the same terms! that`s fine, the EU have stated that, but they want exactly the same terms on fisheries! If we cant have it both ways neither can the EU!surrey_commuter said:
I know what the SM is but what do you mean by the “Market”?spatt77 said:
I think your getting the SM mixed up with the "Market" even in the event of no deal we`ll still be trading with the EU, just a little harder! The EU have made it clear being in the SM means having the Four Freedoms!Jeremy.89 said:censored knows, ask Daniel Hannan or any of the other leavers who argued that they weren't threatening our membership of the single market.
The SM is the four freedoms.0 -
Well a FTA with the EU would mean full access without accepting the FF`s which is why the EU are so against it, as they've said many times, life outside the EU cant be the same or better than inside it. As I've said many times, they are in a bind, economically they'd like to do it but politically its difficult for them!0
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Not all FTA’s are equal so having an FTA does not necessarily mean you would have full access.spatt77 said:Well a FTA with the EU would mean full access without accepting the FF`s which is why the EU are so against it, as they've said many times, life outside the EU cant be the same or better than inside it. As I've said many times, they are in a bind, economically they'd like to do it but politically its difficult for them!
That does not explain what you mean by the “Market” as opposed to the SM.0 -
Indeed, not all FTA`s are equal, the term"market" technically doesn't mean anything, being members of the SM means you automatically qualify for Non tariff, quota free trade within the EU. A FTA can mean the same but with "Mutual Recognition" as to standards and a recognised body to sort out any disputes! This is normally the WTO.0
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Still gunning for the cake and eat it option then?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Well lets not get onto my ability to eat cake eh!
Their is a deal to be done but as I`ve said ,politically its to difficult for the EU to do! As far as they are concerned for the UK to have a FTA and trade with the EU on virtually the same terms as now,but not have free movement, no ECJ jurisdiction and not contribute into the budget is very unpalatable. If we could have a FTA without the Four Freedoms i`m sure you'd jump at it right? 0 -
No. Since I quite like the four freedoms.
And that is cake and eat it which won't happen.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Have you exercised your right to work and live abroad?0
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Yes.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
And you still be able too they`ll just be a bit more paperwork!0
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Doesn’t help the trade negotiations though, does it?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
No, you don’t understand.spatt77 said:And you still be able too they`ll just be a bit more paperwork!
He will no longer have the right to live and work in the EU subject to a bit more paperwork.
He will very specifically have no right to live and work in the EU, he will have to apply to do so. This is not pedantry as the answer could be no.0 -
I never said he`ll have the "Right" i said he`ll still be able to, which on balance he will if he`s got a certain skill a EU country needs, which is generally the case in the rest of the world.surrey_commuter said:
No, you don’t understand.spatt77 said:And you still be able too they`ll just be a bit more paperwork!
He will no longer have the right to live and work in the EU subject to a bit more paperwork.
He will very specifically have no right to live and work in the EU, he will have to apply to do so. This is not pedantry as the answer could be no.0 -
Well, I predicted that outcome 4 years ago and the EU position has been constant since before the referendum yet our wonderful government have spent that time making hollow promises while marching blindly towards it.spatt77 said:
No, it doesn't! it`ll probably end up as no deal and that will be to the detriment of everyone but if the EU continue to want some kind of control that`s a unsustainable position!pblakeney said:Doesn’t help the trade negotiations though, does it?
And brexiteers wanted to give this shower more power?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Brexiters haven't worked out yet, or don't care, how much of a f*cker it is if you have family split across the channel.
When you build your life around certain rights, to suddenly have those taken away....1 -
You've had over 4 years, so stop the lying drama that they have been suddenly taken away. It's your fault if you've spent all your time trying to overturn democracy rather than accepting and adapting to the 'new normal'.rick_chasey said:Brexiters haven't worked out yet, or don't care, how much of a f*cker it is if you have family split across the channel.
When you build your life around certain rights, to suddenly have those taken away....0 -
It's been 6 years since Hitler democratically won the election so quit your whingeing and sew that star on!0
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For someone who claims to be against lefties, it's funny how comfortably Coopster's language and attitudes would fit in a Maoist Struggle Session0
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Well, your prediction was right , unfortunately we had May in charge which is why the time has been wasted! As for giving this shower more power, well it was either Boris or Magic Grandpa, take ya pick!pblakeney said:
Well, I predicted that outcome 4 years ago and the EU position has been constant since before the referendum yet our wonderful government have spent that time making hollow promises while marching blindly towards it.spatt77 said:
No, it doesn't! it`ll probably end up as no deal and that will be to the detriment of everyone but if the EU continue to want some kind of control that`s a unsustainable position!pblakeney said:Doesn’t help the trade negotiations though, does it?
And brexiteers wanted to give this shower more power?0 -
Well Im sorry Brexit inconveniences your life Rick, but that`s how the cookie crumbles!rick_chasey said:Brexiters haven't worked out yet, or don't care, how much of a f*cker it is if you have family split across the channel.
When you build your life around certain rights, to suddenly have those taken away....0 -
I meant Westminster as a whole. Struggling to see the positive.spatt77 said:
Well, your prediction was right , unfortunately we had May in charge which is why the time has been wasted! As for giving this shower more power, well it was either Boris or Magic Grandpa, take ya pick!pblakeney said:
Well, I predicted that outcome 4 years ago and the EU position has been constant since before the referendum yet our wonderful government have spent that time making hollow promises while marching blindly towards it.spatt77 said:
No, it doesn't! it`ll probably end up as no deal and that will be to the detriment of everyone but if the EU continue to want some kind of control that`s a unsustainable position!pblakeney said:Doesn’t help the trade negotiations though, does it?
And brexiteers wanted to give this shower more power?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
One for the don't care then.spatt77 said:
Well Im sorry Brexit inconveniences your life Rick, but that`s how the cookie crumbles!rick_chasey said:Brexiters haven't worked out yet, or don't care, how much of a f*cker it is if you have family split across the channel.
When you build your life around certain rights, to suddenly have those taken away....
My previous company had some really great engineers that were able to come work in the UK and take advantage of freedom of movement.
It was a tiny company thay would have been in no way willing to navigate the immigration process for candidates.
Blithely hand waving about extra paperwork is missing the point.0
