BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Yes, well, the swing for me to vote remain was my thinking that those in Westminster are useless so giving them more power would be stupid.rick_chasey said:
*even if they don't there is no excuse not to do it*pblakeney said:
You are basing this entirely on the premise that they actually want a deal.rick_chasey said:
I am f@cking furious about this.surrey_commuter said:
I am thinking next on the list will be ECHR, ICC then climate change agreement thingy. Don’t think they will have the balls to leave UN, NATO or WTO without Yanks leaving first.rick_chasey said:
This is so stupid. Just do the f*cking paperwork.Stevo_666 said:
I guess that is also bad news for EU firms who wish to operate in/have access to the world's largest financial market. Unless of course the EU realises this and are playing games...mfin said:Barnier confirms UK has missed Brexit equivalence assessment deadline
https://cityam.com/barnier-confirms-uk-has-not-completed-brexit-equivalence-assessments/
There is no good reason not to do the paperwork.
This is only sh!t for everyone involved and it's entirely on the UK.
I dare anyone to defend this appalling bit of governance.
Look at it from the point of view that they don't, but are pretending they do.
It is f*cking lazy. Lazy lazy lazy lazy lazy.
I take no joy from them constantly proving me right.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
No excuses for laziness in any professional.
Not doing the paperwork is never an excuse. Ever.
That's a stone cold sacking for whoever is responsible for it, in any job.0 -
You know it is just negotiation - it is not an actual deadline?rick_chasey said:No excuses for laziness in any professional.
Not doing the paperwork is never an excuse. Ever.
That's a stone cold sacking for whoever is responsible for it, in any job.0 -
When I'm negotiating terms with a client, regardless of what I think of the client or if I know I want the business yet, I still do their f*cking reams of paperwork punctually.TheBigBean said:
You know it is just negotiation - it is not an actual deadline?rick_chasey said:No excuses for laziness in any professional.
Not doing the paperwork is never an excuse. Ever.
That's a stone cold sacking for whoever is responsible for it, in any job.
What kind of message does not doing the paperwork send?
What good reason can there be for not doing the equivalence questionnaire?
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You are not interested in the project?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
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i really don't think it is laziness. To me it is pure ideology driven arrogance and ignorance.rick_chasey said:
Why bother negotiating at all then? Then it is all a colossal waste of time and resource. Why just not do the paperwork but do the rest? It's idiotic.pblakeney said:You are not interested in the project?
If you assume Steveo is giving us the Conservative Home/Telegraph party line then there is still no understanding of proportion and a belief that they need us more than them.
I still think that what Boris says in unguarded moments carry far more weight than his scripted testiculations. On that basis "fvck business" tells you where his priorities lie.
The Big State trot will believe he can borrow more money to fill the hole left by the private sector0 -
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probably the monkey started before being pulled off by the organ grinderrick_chasey said:Why even do 4 out of the 28?
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Let's take a look at both sides of the story, than making the usual lazy centre leftie assumptions that it's all the UK's fault:
https://ft.com/content/4efd8bcd-0e95-48ef-b13f-b16d71da0168
So looks as if Brussels have:
a. Given us insufficient time to complete huge amounts of paperwork and
b. Not completed the forms we sent to them so we can assess if EU firms can be granted equivalence under UK rules. As Rick says; lazy, crap governance and there is no excuse....
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
No idea, but I don't count Barnier as a reliable source. Perhaps Stevo's article adds some clarity.rick_chasey said:Why even do 4 out of the 28?
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Didn't Brussels suggest that we needed an extension to complete things?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
It does.TheBigBean said:
No idea, but I don't count Barnier as a reliable source. Perhaps Stevo's article adds some clarity.rick_chasey said:Why even do 4 out of the 28?
And slightly disappointing that people on here are prepared to take the statement of an EU official (who is paid to oppose UK interests) at face value."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
They had at least 120bn reasons to try and force the UK into an extension.pblakeney said:Didn't Brussels suggest that we needed an extension to complete things?
Should be interesting who will now pick up that bill...0 -
C`mon Rick, do you really think Boris et al will be sitting there filling forms out? If they haven't filled out forms theirs gonna be a very very good reason for it, to say its due to laziness is short sighted in the extreme, now what the reasons are would be a more appropriate question!rick_chasey said:
*even if they don't there is no excuse not to do it*pblakeney said:
You are basing this entirely on the premise that they actually want a deal.rick_chasey said:
I am f@cking furious about this.surrey_commuter said:
I am thinking next on the list will be ECHR, ICC then climate change agreement thingy. Don’t think they will have the balls to leave UN, NATO or WTO without Yanks leaving first.rick_chasey said:
This is so stupid. Just do the f*cking paperwork.Stevo_666 said:
I guess that is also bad news for EU firms who wish to operate in/have access to the world's largest financial market. Unless of course the EU realises this and are playing games...mfin said:Barnier confirms UK has missed Brexit equivalence assessment deadline
https://cityam.com/barnier-confirms-uk-has-not-completed-brexit-equivalence-assessments/
There is no good reason not to do the paperwork.
This is only sh!t for everyone involved and it's entirely on the UK.
I dare anyone to defend this appalling bit of governance.
Look at it from the point of view that they don't, but are pretending they do.
It is f*cking lazy. Lazy lazy lazy lazy lazy.0 -
Spatt, have a read of the FT link I posted above - that gives a more balanced view of the situation.spatt77 said:
C`mon Rick, do you really think Boris et al will be sitting there filling forms out? If they haven't filled out forms theirs gonna be a very very good reason for it, to say its due to laziness is short sighted in the extreme, now what the reasons are would be a more appropriate question!rick_chasey said:
*even if they don't there is no excuse not to do it*pblakeney said:
You are basing this entirely on the premise that they actually want a deal.rick_chasey said:
I am f@cking furious about this.surrey_commuter said:
I am thinking next on the list will be ECHR, ICC then climate change agreement thingy. Don’t think they will have the balls to leave UN, NATO or WTO without Yanks leaving first.rick_chasey said:
This is so stupid. Just do the f*cking paperwork.Stevo_666 said:
I guess that is also bad news for EU firms who wish to operate in/have access to the world's largest financial market. Unless of course the EU realises this and are playing games...mfin said:Barnier confirms UK has missed Brexit equivalence assessment deadline
https://cityam.com/barnier-confirms-uk-has-not-completed-brexit-equivalence-assessments/
There is no good reason not to do the paperwork.
This is only sh!t for everyone involved and it's entirely on the UK.
I dare anyone to defend this appalling bit of governance.
Look at it from the point of view that they don't, but are pretending they do.
It is f*cking lazy. Lazy lazy lazy lazy lazy."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
any chance of a cut and paste for those who can not access?Stevo_666 said:
Spatt, have a read of the FT link I posted above - that gives a more balanced view of the situation.spatt77 said:
C`mon Rick, do you really think Boris et al will be sitting there filling forms out? If they haven't filled out forms theirs gonna be a very very good reason for it, to say its due to laziness is short sighted in the extreme, now what the reasons are would be a more appropriate question!rick_chasey said:
*even if they don't there is no excuse not to do it*pblakeney said:
You are basing this entirely on the premise that they actually want a deal.rick_chasey said:
I am f@cking furious about this.surrey_commuter said:
I am thinking next on the list will be ECHR, ICC then climate change agreement thingy. Don’t think they will have the balls to leave UN, NATO or WTO without Yanks leaving first.rick_chasey said:
This is so stupid. Just do the f*cking paperwork.Stevo_666 said:
I guess that is also bad news for EU firms who wish to operate in/have access to the world's largest financial market. Unless of course the EU realises this and are playing games...mfin said:Barnier confirms UK has missed Brexit equivalence assessment deadline
https://cityam.com/barnier-confirms-uk-has-not-completed-brexit-equivalence-assessments/
There is no good reason not to do the paperwork.
This is only sh!t for everyone involved and it's entirely on the UK.
I dare anyone to defend this appalling bit of governance.
Look at it from the point of view that they don't, but are pretending they do.
It is f*cking lazy. Lazy lazy lazy lazy lazy.
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Cheers Stevo! will do when I`ve woken up properly! Night-shift last night! 0
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surrey_commuter said:
any chance of a cut and paste for those who can not access?Stevo_666 said:
Spatt, have a read of the FT link I posted above - that gives a more balanced view of the situation.spatt77 said:
C`mon Rick, do you really think Boris et al will be sitting there filling forms out? If they haven't filled out forms theirs gonna be a very very good reason for it, to say its due to laziness is short sighted in the extreme, now what the reasons are would be a more appropriate question!rick_chasey said:
*even if they don't there is no excuse not to do it*pblakeney said:
You are basing this entirely on the premise that they actually want a deal.rick_chasey said:
I am f@cking furious about this.surrey_commuter said:
I am thinking next on the list will be ECHR, ICC then climate change agreement thingy. Don’t think they will have the balls to leave UN, NATO or WTO without Yanks leaving first.rick_chasey said:
This is so stupid. Just do the f*cking paperwork.Stevo_666 said:
I guess that is also bad news for EU firms who wish to operate in/have access to the world's largest financial market. Unless of course the EU realises this and are playing games...mfin said:Barnier confirms UK has missed Brexit equivalence assessment deadline
https://cityam.com/barnier-confirms-uk-has-not-completed-brexit-equivalence-assessments/
There is no good reason not to do the paperwork.
This is only sh!t for everyone involved and it's entirely on the UK.
I dare anyone to defend this appalling bit of governance.
Look at it from the point of view that they don't, but are pretending they do.
It is f*cking lazy. Lazy lazy lazy lazy lazy.
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What I don't get it is, the UK has been asking for equivalence for a long time. 3-4 years in fact.
This information should in large part have been readily available. The Treasury is easily the best staffed function in whitehall. Time isn't really an excuse.
Need to get 100 people to work the weekend? Just do it, FFS. Need to draft more people in? Get on with it.
Equivalence is really really properly important to FS. I mean really important.0 -
Same goes for the EU. I suspect they already know the answer (as do we) but are playing games.rick_chasey said:What I don't get it is, the UK has been asking for equivalence for a long time. 3-4 years in fact.
This information should in large part have been readily available. The Treasury is easily the best staffed function in whitehall. Time isn't really an excuse.
Need to get 100 people to work the weekend? Just do it, FFS. Need to draft more people in? Get on with it.
Equivalence is really really properly important to FS. I mean really important."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Still angry about it?
For what it is worth, the UK's regulation is of a much higher standard than that of most of the EU. For example, to be regulated in Lithuania and therefore have access to the whole of the EU, the requirement was to pay a lawyer to complete the forms and act as a postbox. No requirement to be present in Lithuania. No requirement to employ anyone. No requirement to really review suitability and expertise.
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rick_chasey said:
What I don't get it is, the UK has been asking for equivalence for a long time. 3-4 years in fact.
This information should in large part have been readily available. The Treasury is easily the best staffed function in whitehall. Time isn't really an excuse.
Need to get 100 people to work the weekend? Just do it, FFS. Need to draft more people in? Get on with it.
Equivalence is really really properly important to FS. I mean really important. </blockquote
If you have ever worked in the Civil Service you`ll understand its not quite that easy Rick. It DOES NOT operate like the Private Sector!0 -
Ja. "too short a deadline" is not an excuse, and if it was, why didn't they mention that when the docs were sent, not after the fact like some teenager who's not bothered with the homework.TheBigBean said:Still angry about it?
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Do you even know what this paperwork is, who assesses it once complete and what the point of it is. If it is an exercise in finding out if Britain is equivalent to a block it has been part of for decades then it would seem that there is little point in this.rick_chasey said:
I am f@cking furious about this.surrey_commuter said:
I am thinking next on the list will be ECHR, ICC then climate change agreement thingy. Don’t think they will have the balls to leave UN, NATO or WTO without Yanks leaving first.rick_chasey said:
This is so stupid. Just do the f*cking paperwork.Stevo_666 said:
I guess that is also bad news for EU firms who wish to operate in/have access to the world's largest financial market. Unless of course the EU realises this and are playing games...mfin said:Barnier confirms UK has missed Brexit equivalence assessment deadline
https://cityam.com/barnier-confirms-uk-has-not-completed-brexit-equivalence-assessments/
There is no good reason not to do the paperwork.
This is only sh!t for everyone involved and it's entirely on the UK.
I dare anyone to defend this appalling bit of governance.0 -
You approach this as if the EU is a client. It is not. Look at it as more of a wife. If its reasonable the marriage will tick along nicely. If the wife thinks she is a client then it is probably time for a divorce and go your separate ways.rick_chasey said:
When I'm negotiating terms with a client, regardless of what I think of the client or if I know I want the business yet, I still do their f*cking reams of paperwork punctually.TheBigBean said:
You know it is just negotiation - it is not an actual deadline?rick_chasey said:No excuses for laziness in any professional.
Not doing the paperwork is never an excuse. Ever.
That's a stone cold sacking for whoever is responsible for it, in any job.
What kind of message does not doing the paperwork send?
What good reason can there be for not doing the equivalence questionnaire?0 -
Let me spell it out for you.john80 said:
You approach this as if the EU is a client. It is not. Look at it as more of a wife. If its reasonable the marriage will tick along nicely. If the wife thinks she is a client then it is probably time for a divorce and go your separate ways.rick_chasey said:
When I'm negotiating terms with a client, regardless of what I think of the client or if I know I want the business yet, I still do their f*cking reams of paperwork punctually.TheBigBean said:
You know it is just negotiation - it is not an actual deadline?rick_chasey said:No excuses for laziness in any professional.
Not doing the paperwork is never an excuse. Ever.
That's a stone cold sacking for whoever is responsible for it, in any job.
What kind of message does not doing the paperwork send?
What good reason can there be for not doing the equivalence questionnaire?
It is in everyone's interest agree on FS equivalence, right?
The UK has asked for this consistently since Brexit was announced. The City has lobbied for this extensively, and it has been a cornerstone of the Brexiter "it'll be OK why is everyone panicking" argument when it comes to FS. (Have a think about what proportion FS is to the UK economy vs, say, fishing).
The UK also agreed with the EU on the deadline for establishing where there could be equivalence.
The UK could have also asked for an extension on the deadline, if, for, whatever reason they were unable to meet the deadline.
So, there are a few questions.
a) why did Britain not fill out the paperwork.
If we are to believe the Brits, that there wasn't enough time to do them, then
b) why did they not ask for an extension - which the EU has already said they would agree to?
It's not like no-one knew what the deadline was. The UK literally agreed to it!
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some would to protect the jewel in their economic crown at all costs.rick_chasey said:
Let me spell it out for you.john80 said:
You approach this as if the EU is a client. It is not. Look at it as more of a wife. If its reasonable the marriage will tick along nicely. If the wife thinks she is a client then it is probably time for a divorce and go your separate ways.rick_chasey said:
When I'm negotiating terms with a client, regardless of what I think of the client or if I know I want the business yet, I still do their f*cking reams of paperwork punctually.TheBigBean said:
You know it is just negotiation - it is not an actual deadline?rick_chasey said:No excuses for laziness in any professional.
Not doing the paperwork is never an excuse. Ever.
That's a stone cold sacking for whoever is responsible for it, in any job.
What kind of message does not doing the paperwork send?
What good reason can there be for not doing the equivalence questionnaire?
It is in everyone's interest agree on FS equivalence, right?
The UK has asked for this consistently since Brexit was announced. The City has lobbied for this extensively, and it has been a cornerstone of the Brexiter "it'll be OK why is everyone panicking" argument when it comes to FS. (Have a think about what proportion FS is to the UK economy vs, say, fishing).
The UK also agreed with the EU on the deadline for establishing where there could be equivalence.
The UK could have also asked for an extension on the deadline, if, for, whatever reason they were unable to meet the deadline.
So, there are a few questions.
a) why did Britain not fill out the paperwork.
If we are to believe the Brits, that there wasn't enough time to do them, then
b) why did they not ask for an extension - which the EU has already said they would agree to?
It's not like no-one knew what the deadline was. The UK literally agreed to it!
others would take a more laissez faire attitude - bizarrely this is one of the few occasions when I would not take this route as the risk is too great0 -
I think Rick's analogy makes more sense.john80 said:
You approach this as if the EU is a client. It is not. Look at it as more of a wife. If its reasonable the marriage will tick along nicely. If the wife thinks she is a client then it is probably time for a divorce and go your separate ways.rick_chasey said:
When I'm negotiating terms with a client, regardless of what I think of the client or if I know I want the business yet, I still do their f*cking reams of paperwork punctually.TheBigBean said:
You know it is just negotiation - it is not an actual deadline?rick_chasey said:No excuses for laziness in any professional.
Not doing the paperwork is never an excuse. Ever.
That's a stone cold sacking for whoever is responsible for it, in any job.
What kind of message does not doing the paperwork send?
What good reason can there be for not doing the equivalence questionnaire?
We want equivalence, they say OK we will look at it but you need to fill out these forms. You would have to be an idiot or not care about the outcome to not fill out the forms.0 -
As I've already said above, same applies to the EU. They haven't filled out our forms. And yet it's still all our problem/fault for some reason."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
