BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Boris did say "F*** business".surrey_commuter said:
None of them are an economic upside for the UK.spatt77 said:
Can you show me where i agreed with you? just because i didn't comment on the other 5 doesn't mean i agreed with you! How can you extrapolate that from my answer?surrey_commuter said:
So you gave me six reasons why leaving could be good for the UK economy, I pointed out they were nonsense and you agreed with me.spatt77 said:
#6 "use our veto" Ill think you`ll find the EU has gone over to qualified majority voting due to the troublesome, UK,Hungary and Poland!surrey_commuter said:
so you gave me 6 reasons why leaving will be an economic successspatt77 said:
1. We are not going to stop trading with the EU , it might just be more difficult.surrey_commuter said:
Yep for me it is all about the economy so why don’t you tell me the reasons why you think that Brexit could/will be an economic success.spatt77 said:
John, your wasting your time with Rick and SC, , its all about pounds and pence with them! Im sure if we are all richer after Brexit they`ll come on her and tell us they were actually Brexiteers and they we just giving us the other view point!john80 said:
That is some creative accounting right there.rick_chasey said:https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-will-cost-uk-more-than-total-payments-to-eu-2020-1
Brexit will have soon cost the UK more than all its payments to the EU over the past 47 years put together
I suspect that like John you will not be able to.
Is there an economic cost that you do not think justifies the extra sovereignty?
2. The growth in the EU is slowing compared with the rest of the world.
3. The EU is a protectionist bloc, trading with 2nd/3rd world countries might help lift them out of poverty.
4. The ease of trade doesn't outweigh the rest of the FOM,ECJ and ever closer union in my book.
5. Just because you do not place any value on sovereignty does not mean it doesn't have any value.
6. What happens if in your world we get to "The United States of Europe" and then you find out there even worse than the UK government? what would be the mechanism to get rid of it?
I suspect like many you wont be able to answer #6 as I've asked before and you haven't given me a answer.
1. is actually a reason why there is an economic downside to leaving
2. no relevance to uk economic performance post-Brexit
3. no relevance to uk economic performance post-Brexit
4. that is sovereignty not economics
5. you are agreeing with me
6. nothing to do with economics but i would use our veto
so you can not give a single reason to back up your belief that there will be an economic upside to leaving the EU. in fairness you are not alone as you will not be able to find anything from senior leavers saying there will be.
but as always SC you're only interested in money!
So you can not think of a single reason to back up your assumption that Brexit will be good for the UK economy.
Can you post a link to when the veto was scrapped in favour of QMV for all decisions, ideally one that would state we could not veto the change.
I will rephrase the question. What will Brexit change that could result in an economic upside for the UK.
Surely you can find something that Farage, Gove, Boris or JRM has said?
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The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Im really not that bothered if Im worse off due to Brexit, you continue to judge me by your own standards. Money may be your motivating factor ,it isn't mine!surrey_commuter said:
None of them are an economic upside for the UK.spatt77 said:
Can you show me where i agreed with you? just because i didn't comment on the other 5 doesn't mean i agreed with you! How can you extrapolate that from my answer?surrey_commuter said:
So you gave me six reasons why leaving could be good for the UK economy, I pointed out they were nonsense and you agreed with me.spatt77 said:
#6 "use our veto" Ill think you`ll find the EU has gone over to qualified majority voting due to the troublesome, UK,Hungary and Poland!surrey_commuter said:
so you gave me 6 reasons why leaving will be an economic successspatt77 said:
1. We are not going to stop trading with the EU , it might just be more difficult.surrey_commuter said:
Yep for me it is all about the economy so why don’t you tell me the reasons why you think that Brexit could/will be an economic success.spatt77 said:
John, your wasting your time with Rick and SC, , its all about pounds and pence with them! Im sure if we are all richer after Brexit they`ll come on her and tell us they were actually Brexiteers and they we just giving us the other view point!john80 said:
That is some creative accounting right there.rick_chasey said:https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-will-cost-uk-more-than-total-payments-to-eu-2020-1
Brexit will have soon cost the UK more than all its payments to the EU over the past 47 years put together
I suspect that like John you will not be able to.
Is there an economic cost that you do not think justifies the extra sovereignty?
2. The growth in the EU is slowing compared with the rest of the world.
3. The EU is a protectionist bloc, trading with 2nd/3rd world countries might help lift them out of poverty.
4. The ease of trade doesn't outweigh the rest of the FOM,ECJ and ever closer union in my book.
5. Just because you do not place any value on sovereignty does not mean it doesn't have any value.
6. What happens if in your world we get to "The United States of Europe" and then you find out there even worse than the UK government? what would be the mechanism to get rid of it?
I suspect like many you wont be able to answer #6 as I've asked before and you haven't given me a answer.
1. is actually a reason why there is an economic downside to leaving
2. no relevance to uk economic performance post-Brexit
3. no relevance to uk economic performance post-Brexit
4. that is sovereignty not economics
5. you are agreeing with me
6. nothing to do with economics but i would use our veto
so you can not give a single reason to back up your belief that there will be an economic upside to leaving the EU. in fairness you are not alone as you will not be able to find anything from senior leavers saying there will be.
but as always SC you're only interested in money!
So you can not think of a single reason to back up your assumption that Brexit will be good for the UK economy.
Can you post a link to when the veto was scrapped in favour of QMV for all decisions, ideally one that would state we could not veto the change.
I will rephrase the question. What will Brexit change that could result in an economic upside for the UK.
Surely you can find something that Farage, Gove, Boris or JRM has said?
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You keep conflating my desire for economic growth with my own wallet.spatt77 said:
Im really not that bothered if Im worse off due to Brexit, you continue to judge me by your own standards. Money may be your motivating factor ,it isn't mine!surrey_commuter said:
None of them are an economic upside for the UK.spatt77 said:
Can you show me where i agreed with you? just because i didn't comment on the other 5 doesn't mean i agreed with you! How can you extrapolate that from my answer?surrey_commuter said:
So you gave me six reasons why leaving could be good for the UK economy, I pointed out they were nonsense and you agreed with me.spatt77 said:
#6 "use our veto" Ill think you`ll find the EU has gone over to qualified majority voting due to the troublesome, UK,Hungary and Poland!surrey_commuter said:
so you gave me 6 reasons why leaving will be an economic successspatt77 said:
1. We are not going to stop trading with the EU , it might just be more difficult.surrey_commuter said:
Yep for me it is all about the economy so why don’t you tell me the reasons why you think that Brexit could/will be an economic success.spatt77 said:
John, your wasting your time with Rick and SC, , its all about pounds and pence with them! Im sure if we are all richer after Brexit they`ll come on her and tell us they were actually Brexiteers and they we just giving us the other view point!john80 said:
That is some creative accounting right there.rick_chasey said:https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-will-cost-uk-more-than-total-payments-to-eu-2020-1
Brexit will have soon cost the UK more than all its payments to the EU over the past 47 years put together
I suspect that like John you will not be able to.
Is there an economic cost that you do not think justifies the extra sovereignty?
2. The growth in the EU is slowing compared with the rest of the world.
3. The EU is a protectionist bloc, trading with 2nd/3rd world countries might help lift them out of poverty.
4. The ease of trade doesn't outweigh the rest of the FOM,ECJ and ever closer union in my book.
5. Just because you do not place any value on sovereignty does not mean it doesn't have any value.
6. What happens if in your world we get to "The United States of Europe" and then you find out there even worse than the UK government? what would be the mechanism to get rid of it?
I suspect like many you wont be able to answer #6 as I've asked before and you haven't given me a answer.
1. is actually a reason why there is an economic downside to leaving
2. no relevance to uk economic performance post-Brexit
3. no relevance to uk economic performance post-Brexit
4. that is sovereignty not economics
5. you are agreeing with me
6. nothing to do with economics but i would use our veto
so you can not give a single reason to back up your belief that there will be an economic upside to leaving the EU. in fairness you are not alone as you will not be able to find anything from senior leavers saying there will be.
but as always SC you're only interested in money!
So you can not think of a single reason to back up your assumption that Brexit will be good for the UK economy.
Can you post a link to when the veto was scrapped in favour of QMV for all decisions, ideally one that would state we could not veto the change.
I will rephrase the question. What will Brexit change that could result in an economic upside for the UK.
Surely you can find something that Farage, Gove, Boris or JRM has said?
The more you are dependent upon the state the more pain you feel. You aren’t just costing yourself money you are reducing future wage rises for public sector employees and those on benefits and pensions, you are lengthening hospital waiting lists and adding extra kids to each classroom.
It is of course deeply ironic that those who stand to suffer the most are most likely to have voted for that suffering.0 -
Are you confident the detail will be to your satisfaction?spatt77 said:
well, were gonna have to wait and see Rick, as always the devil will be in the detail!rick_chasey said:So, Brexiters, are you happy with where the agreement is likely to end up?
The proposal in the original EU FTA, which is 'access for anything aligned and EU tarrifs on anything that isn't", and a hard border in the North sea.
After all, the deal that Boris said, during the election, was so great you've come out on here to say is rubbish.
What evidence is there to give you the impression the UK will come out with one that is advantageous?
After all, the outline is exactly what the EU proposed many moons ago, which hardly suggests fantastic progress on the UK's part.
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Well, Im not sure the EU are going to get everything they thought they would.Thank God we didn't go with Mays deal, which was truly awful, I think apart from Remaining in the EU that would of been the EU`s dream scenario. I would of preferred to Remain that have May`s deal. I think there is a deal to be done however, I also think the Government is prepared to walk away. We will have a slightly less advantageous deal with the EU but maybe a more advantageous deal with the rest of the world! Its to early to say, we will have to have a number of years outside of the EU to gauge whether its been a success/failure/different!rick_chasey said:
Are you confident the detail will be to your satisfaction?spatt77 said:
well, were gonna have to wait and see Rick, as always the devil will be in the detail!rick_chasey said:So, Brexiters, are you happy with where the agreement is likely to end up?
The proposal in the original EU FTA, which is 'access for anything aligned and EU tarrifs on anything that isn't", and a hard border in the North sea.
After all, the deal that Boris said, during the election, was so great you've come out on here to say is rubbish.
What evidence is there to give you the impression the UK will come out with one that is advantageous?
After all, the outline is exactly what the EU proposed many moons ago, which hardly suggests fantastic progress on the UK's part.
Is there any scenario in which you think Brexit could be a success?0 -
The current argument going on is that state aid is a terrible thing which should result in subsidies except when it is CAP.0
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We are not worse off since the vote, that is project fear that remoaners are still pushing.spatt77 said:
Im really not that bothered if Im worse off due to Brexit, you continue to judge me by your own standards. Money may be your motivating factor ,it isn't mine!surrey_commuter said:
None of them are an economic upside for the UK.spatt77 said:
Can you show me where i agreed with you? just because i didn't comment on the other 5 doesn't mean i agreed with you! How can you extrapolate that from my answer?surrey_commuter said:
So you gave me six reasons why leaving could be good for the UK economy, I pointed out they were nonsense and you agreed with me.spatt77 said:
#6 "use our veto" Ill think you`ll find the EU has gone over to qualified majority voting due to the troublesome, UK,Hungary and Poland!surrey_commuter said:
so you gave me 6 reasons why leaving will be an economic successspatt77 said:
1. We are not going to stop trading with the EU , it might just be more difficult.surrey_commuter said:
Yep for me it is all about the economy so why don’t you tell me the reasons why you think that Brexit could/will be an economic success.spatt77 said:
John, your wasting your time with Rick and SC, , its all about pounds and pence with them! Im sure if we are all richer after Brexit they`ll come on her and tell us they were actually Brexiteers and they we just giving us the other view point!john80 said:
That is some creative accounting right there.rick_chasey said:https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-will-cost-uk-more-than-total-payments-to-eu-2020-1
Brexit will have soon cost the UK more than all its payments to the EU over the past 47 years put together
I suspect that like John you will not be able to.
Is there an economic cost that you do not think justifies the extra sovereignty?
2. The growth in the EU is slowing compared with the rest of the world.
3. The EU is a protectionist bloc, trading with 2nd/3rd world countries might help lift them out of poverty.
4. The ease of trade doesn't outweigh the rest of the FOM,ECJ and ever closer union in my book.
5. Just because you do not place any value on sovereignty does not mean it doesn't have any value.
6. What happens if in your world we get to "The United States of Europe" and then you find out there even worse than the UK government? what would be the mechanism to get rid of it?
I suspect like many you wont be able to answer #6 as I've asked before and you haven't given me a answer.
1. is actually a reason why there is an economic downside to leaving
2. no relevance to uk economic performance post-Brexit
3. no relevance to uk economic performance post-Brexit
4. that is sovereignty not economics
5. you are agreeing with me
6. nothing to do with economics but i would use our veto
so you can not give a single reason to back up your belief that there will be an economic upside to leaving the EU. in fairness you are not alone as you will not be able to find anything from senior leavers saying there will be.
but as always SC you're only interested in money!
So you can not think of a single reason to back up your assumption that Brexit will be good for the UK economy.
Can you post a link to when the veto was scrapped in favour of QMV for all decisions, ideally one that would state we could not veto the change.
I will rephrase the question. What will Brexit change that could result in an economic upside for the UK.
Surely you can find something that Farage, Gove, Boris or JRM has said?
GDP is down, correct, but immigration is also down so a section of GDP growth has been removed. It doesn't mean when measured by GDP/capita that we are worse off! It's an uncomfortable fact that the likes of Stupid_Commuter ignore despite being repeatedly told, so he'll still keep with his fake news agenda.0 -
An example that is often talked about is deregulation to allow autonomous vehicles. This could lead to the UK becoming a world leader in these and boost the economy. Of course, you will say it doesn't outweigh the economic downsides, but you asked for an upside.surrey_commuter said:
None of them are an economic upside for the UK.spatt77 said:
Can you show me where i agreed with you? just because i didn't comment on the other 5 doesn't mean i agreed with you! How can you extrapolate that from my answer?surrey_commuter said:
So you gave me six reasons why leaving could be good for the UK economy, I pointed out they were nonsense and you agreed with me.spatt77 said:
#6 "use our veto" Ill think you`ll find the EU has gone over to qualified majority voting due to the troublesome, UK,Hungary and Poland!surrey_commuter said:
so you gave me 6 reasons why leaving will be an economic successspatt77 said:
1. We are not going to stop trading with the EU , it might just be more difficult.surrey_commuter said:
Yep for me it is all about the economy so why don’t you tell me the reasons why you think that Brexit could/will be an economic success.spatt77 said:
John, your wasting your time with Rick and SC, , its all about pounds and pence with them! Im sure if we are all richer after Brexit they`ll come on her and tell us they were actually Brexiteers and they we just giving us the other view point!john80 said:
That is some creative accounting right there.rick_chasey said:https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-will-cost-uk-more-than-total-payments-to-eu-2020-1
Brexit will have soon cost the UK more than all its payments to the EU over the past 47 years put together
I suspect that like John you will not be able to.
Is there an economic cost that you do not think justifies the extra sovereignty?
2. The growth in the EU is slowing compared with the rest of the world.
3. The EU is a protectionist bloc, trading with 2nd/3rd world countries might help lift them out of poverty.
4. The ease of trade doesn't outweigh the rest of the FOM,ECJ and ever closer union in my book.
5. Just because you do not place any value on sovereignty does not mean it doesn't have any value.
6. What happens if in your world we get to "The United States of Europe" and then you find out there even worse than the UK government? what would be the mechanism to get rid of it?
I suspect like many you wont be able to answer #6 as I've asked before and you haven't given me a answer.
1. is actually a reason why there is an economic downside to leaving
2. no relevance to uk economic performance post-Brexit
3. no relevance to uk economic performance post-Brexit
4. that is sovereignty not economics
5. you are agreeing with me
6. nothing to do with economics but i would use our veto
so you can not give a single reason to back up your belief that there will be an economic upside to leaving the EU. in fairness you are not alone as you will not be able to find anything from senior leavers saying there will be.
but as always SC you're only interested in money!
So you can not think of a single reason to back up your assumption that Brexit will be good for the UK economy.
Can you post a link to when the veto was scrapped in favour of QMV for all decisions, ideally one that would state we could not veto the change.
I will rephrase the question. What will Brexit change that could result in an economic upside for the UK.
Surely you can find something that Farage, Gove, Boris or JRM has said?
It will also be easier to achieve net zero although that is a green upside which is actually an economic downside.0 -
What about the current gov't makes you think they are remotely interested in that?TheBigBean said:
It will also be easier to achieve net zero although that is a green upside which is actually an economic downside.
Half of the cabinet think climate change is massively overplayed?0 -
The previous government passed the net zero legislation and the Committee on Climate Change still exists.rick_chasey said:
What about the current gov't makes you think they are remotely interested in that?TheBigBean said:
It will also be easier to achieve net zero although that is a green upside which is actually an economic downside.
Half of the cabinet think climate change is massively overplayed?
It's true that the most green party at the previous general election was Labour, and then the Green Party. Not sure who was third.0 -
source that population growth has slowed faster than economic growthcoopster_the_1st said:
We are not worse off since the vote, that is project fear that remoaners are still pushing.spatt77 said:
Im really not that bothered if Im worse off due to Brexit, you continue to judge me by your own standards. Money may be your motivating factor ,it isn't mine!surrey_commuter said:
None of them are an economic upside for the UK.spatt77 said:
Can you show me where i agreed with you? just because i didn't comment on the other 5 doesn't mean i agreed with you! How can you extrapolate that from my answer?surrey_commuter said:
So you gave me six reasons why leaving could be good for the UK economy, I pointed out they were nonsense and you agreed with me.spatt77 said:
#6 "use our veto" Ill think you`ll find the EU has gone over to qualified majority voting due to the troublesome, UK,Hungary and Poland!surrey_commuter said:
so you gave me 6 reasons why leaving will be an economic successspatt77 said:
1. We are not going to stop trading with the EU , it might just be more difficult.surrey_commuter said:
Yep for me it is all about the economy so why don’t you tell me the reasons why you think that Brexit could/will be an economic success.spatt77 said:
John, your wasting your time with Rick and SC, , its all about pounds and pence with them! Im sure if we are all richer after Brexit they`ll come on her and tell us they were actually Brexiteers and they we just giving us the other view point!john80 said:
That is some creative accounting right there.rick_chasey said:https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-will-cost-uk-more-than-total-payments-to-eu-2020-1
Brexit will have soon cost the UK more than all its payments to the EU over the past 47 years put together
I suspect that like John you will not be able to.
Is there an economic cost that you do not think justifies the extra sovereignty?
2. The growth in the EU is slowing compared with the rest of the world.
3. The EU is a protectionist bloc, trading with 2nd/3rd world countries might help lift them out of poverty.
4. The ease of trade doesn't outweigh the rest of the FOM,ECJ and ever closer union in my book.
5. Just because you do not place any value on sovereignty does not mean it doesn't have any value.
6. What happens if in your world we get to "The United States of Europe" and then you find out there even worse than the UK government? what would be the mechanism to get rid of it?
I suspect like many you wont be able to answer #6 as I've asked before and you haven't given me a answer.
1. is actually a reason why there is an economic downside to leaving
2. no relevance to uk economic performance post-Brexit
3. no relevance to uk economic performance post-Brexit
4. that is sovereignty not economics
5. you are agreeing with me
6. nothing to do with economics but i would use our veto
so you can not give a single reason to back up your belief that there will be an economic upside to leaving the EU. in fairness you are not alone as you will not be able to find anything from senior leavers saying there will be.
but as always SC you're only interested in money!
So you can not think of a single reason to back up your assumption that Brexit will be good for the UK economy.
Can you post a link to when the veto was scrapped in favour of QMV for all decisions, ideally one that would state we could not veto the change.
I will rephrase the question. What will Brexit change that could result in an economic upside for the UK.
Surely you can find something that Farage, Gove, Boris or JRM has said?
GDP is down, correct, but immigration is also down so a section of GDP growth has been removed. It doesn't mean when measured by GDP/capita that we are worse off! It's an uncomfortable fact that the likes of Stupid_Commuter ignore despite being repeatedly told, so he'll still keep with his fake news agenda.0 -
Based on their record of meeting the legally required air quality, I would say it takes a bit more than that.TheBigBean said:
The previous government passed the net zero legislation and the Committee on Climate Change still exists.rick_chasey said:
What about the current gov't makes you think they are remotely interested in that?TheBigBean said:
It will also be easier to achieve net zero although that is a green upside which is actually an economic downside.
Half of the cabinet think climate change is massively overplayed?
It's true that the most green party at the previous general election was Labour, and then the Green Party. Not sure who was third.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
double whammy, net immigration is upsurrey_commuter said:
source that population growth has slowed faster than economic growthcoopster_the_1st said:
We are not worse off since the vote, that is project fear that remoaners are still pushing.spatt77 said:
Im really not that bothered if Im worse off due to Brexit, you continue to judge me by your own standards. Money may be your motivating factor ,it isn't mine!surrey_commuter said:
None of them are an economic upside for the UK.spatt77 said:
Can you show me where i agreed with you? just because i didn't comment on the other 5 doesn't mean i agreed with you! How can you extrapolate that from my answer?surrey_commuter said:
So you gave me six reasons why leaving could be good for the UK economy, I pointed out they were nonsense and you agreed with me.spatt77 said:
#6 "use our veto" Ill think you`ll find the EU has gone over to qualified majority voting due to the troublesome, UK,Hungary and Poland!surrey_commuter said:
so you gave me 6 reasons why leaving will be an economic successspatt77 said:
1. We are not going to stop trading with the EU , it might just be more difficult.surrey_commuter said:
Yep for me it is all about the economy so why don’t you tell me the reasons why you think that Brexit could/will be an economic success.spatt77 said:
John, your wasting your time with Rick and SC, , its all about pounds and pence with them! Im sure if we are all richer after Brexit they`ll come on her and tell us they were actually Brexiteers and they we just giving us the other view point!john80 said:
That is some creative accounting right there.rick_chasey said:https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-will-cost-uk-more-than-total-payments-to-eu-2020-1
Brexit will have soon cost the UK more than all its payments to the EU over the past 47 years put together
I suspect that like John you will not be able to.
Is there an economic cost that you do not think justifies the extra sovereignty?
2. The growth in the EU is slowing compared with the rest of the world.
3. The EU is a protectionist bloc, trading with 2nd/3rd world countries might help lift them out of poverty.
4. The ease of trade doesn't outweigh the rest of the FOM,ECJ and ever closer union in my book.
5. Just because you do not place any value on sovereignty does not mean it doesn't have any value.
6. What happens if in your world we get to "The United States of Europe" and then you find out there even worse than the UK government? what would be the mechanism to get rid of it?
I suspect like many you wont be able to answer #6 as I've asked before and you haven't given me a answer.
1. is actually a reason why there is an economic downside to leaving
2. no relevance to uk economic performance post-Brexit
3. no relevance to uk economic performance post-Brexit
4. that is sovereignty not economics
5. you are agreeing with me
6. nothing to do with economics but i would use our veto
so you can not give a single reason to back up your belief that there will be an economic upside to leaving the EU. in fairness you are not alone as you will not be able to find anything from senior leavers saying there will be.
but as always SC you're only interested in money!
So you can not think of a single reason to back up your assumption that Brexit will be good for the UK economy.
Can you post a link to when the veto was scrapped in favour of QMV for all decisions, ideally one that would state we could not veto the change.
I will rephrase the question. What will Brexit change that could result in an economic upside for the UK.
Surely you can find something that Farage, Gove, Boris or JRM has said?
GDP is down, correct, but immigration is also down so a section of GDP growth has been removed. It doesn't mean when measured by GDP/capita that we are worse off! It's an uncomfortable fact that the likes of Stupid_Commuter ignore despite being repeatedly told, so he'll still keep with his fake news agenda.
According to the latest estimates by the Office for National Statistics (ONS), net migration from overseas to the UK in the year ending December 2019 totalled 270,000. This is higher than the annual average of 256,000 during the past decade and the annual average of 239,000 during the past 20 years.0 -
that is exactly the sort of thing that I am looking forTheBigBean said:
An example that is often talked about is deregulation to allow autonomous vehicles. This could lead to the UK becoming a world leader in these and boost the economy. Of course, you will say it doesn't outweigh the economic downsides, but you asked for an upside.surrey_commuter said:
None of them are an economic upside for the UK.spatt77 said:
Can you show me where i agreed with you? just because i didn't comment on the other 5 doesn't mean i agreed with you! How can you extrapolate that from my answer?surrey_commuter said:
So you gave me six reasons why leaving could be good for the UK economy, I pointed out they were nonsense and you agreed with me.spatt77 said:
#6 "use our veto" Ill think you`ll find the EU has gone over to qualified majority voting due to the troublesome, UK,Hungary and Poland!surrey_commuter said:
so you gave me 6 reasons why leaving will be an economic successspatt77 said:
1. We are not going to stop trading with the EU , it might just be more difficult.surrey_commuter said:
Yep for me it is all about the economy so why don’t you tell me the reasons why you think that Brexit could/will be an economic success.spatt77 said:
John, your wasting your time with Rick and SC, , its all about pounds and pence with them! Im sure if we are all richer after Brexit they`ll come on her and tell us they were actually Brexiteers and they we just giving us the other view point!john80 said:
That is some creative accounting right there.rick_chasey said:https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-will-cost-uk-more-than-total-payments-to-eu-2020-1
Brexit will have soon cost the UK more than all its payments to the EU over the past 47 years put together
I suspect that like John you will not be able to.
Is there an economic cost that you do not think justifies the extra sovereignty?
2. The growth in the EU is slowing compared with the rest of the world.
3. The EU is a protectionist bloc, trading with 2nd/3rd world countries might help lift them out of poverty.
4. The ease of trade doesn't outweigh the rest of the FOM,ECJ and ever closer union in my book.
5. Just because you do not place any value on sovereignty does not mean it doesn't have any value.
6. What happens if in your world we get to "The United States of Europe" and then you find out there even worse than the UK government? what would be the mechanism to get rid of it?
I suspect like many you wont be able to answer #6 as I've asked before and you haven't given me a answer.
1. is actually a reason why there is an economic downside to leaving
2. no relevance to uk economic performance post-Brexit
3. no relevance to uk economic performance post-Brexit
4. that is sovereignty not economics
5. you are agreeing with me
6. nothing to do with economics but i would use our veto
so you can not give a single reason to back up your belief that there will be an economic upside to leaving the EU. in fairness you are not alone as you will not be able to find anything from senior leavers saying there will be.
but as always SC you're only interested in money!
So you can not think of a single reason to back up your assumption that Brexit will be good for the UK economy.
Can you post a link to when the veto was scrapped in favour of QMV for all decisions, ideally one that would state we could not veto the change.
I will rephrase the question. What will Brexit change that could result in an economic upside for the UK.
Surely you can find something that Farage, Gove, Boris or JRM has said?
It will also be easier to achieve net zero although that is a green upside which is actually an economic downside.
I will chuck in the potential for agric deregulation and removal of tariffs which will benefit the poorest members of society0 -
it is a bizarre reversal of rolesTheBigBean said:The current argument going on is that state aid is a terrible thing which should result in subsidies except when it is CAP.
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that is a very good question. Recently I have come to agree with the notion that we need a true believer in charge because to a Remainer Leaving is such a bad idea that a good brexit will look as much like membership as possible.spatt77 said:
Well, Im not sure the EU are going to get everything they thought they would.Thank God we didn't go with Mays deal, which was truly awful, I think apart from Remaining in the EU that would of been the EU`s dream scenario. I would of preferred to Remain that have May`s deal. I think there is a deal to be done however, I also think the Government is prepared to walk away. We will have a slightly less advantageous deal with the EU but maybe a more advantageous deal with the rest of the world! Its to early to say, we will have to have a number of years outside of the EU to gauge whether its been a success/failure/different!rick_chasey said:
Are you confident the detail will be to your satisfaction?spatt77 said:
well, were gonna have to wait and see Rick, as always the devil will be in the detail!rick_chasey said:So, Brexiters, are you happy with where the agreement is likely to end up?
The proposal in the original EU FTA, which is 'access for anything aligned and EU tarrifs on anything that isn't", and a hard border in the North sea.
After all, the deal that Boris said, during the election, was so great you've come out on here to say is rubbish.
What evidence is there to give you the impression the UK will come out with one that is advantageous?
After all, the outline is exactly what the EU proposed many moons ago, which hardly suggests fantastic progress on the UK's part.
Is there any scenario in which you think Brexit could be a success?
So with the above proviso I think the best chance of success would have been to join the EEA whilst we modelled the pros and cons of greater freedom and the policies we needed to adopt to maximise those benefits. This would take place over several years and would allow us to mitigate the downside of leaving.
Short answer no I don't think Brexit will be an economic success but more could have been done to limit the downside.
I keep writing "economic success" rather than "success" because for the true believers success is leaving and they don't care about the economic cost0 -
It was over 300k in the ONS figures released just before the 2016 referendum. You are just making yourself look more stupid...surrey_commuter said:
double whammy, net immigration is upsurrey_commuter said:
source that population growth has slowed faster than economic growthcoopster_the_1st said:
We are not worse off since the vote, that is project fear that remoaners are still pushing.spatt77 said:
Im really not that bothered if Im worse off due to Brexit, you continue to judge me by your own standards. Money may be your motivating factor ,it isn't mine!surrey_commuter said:
None of them are an economic upside for the UK.spatt77 said:
Can you show me where i agreed with you? just because i didn't comment on the other 5 doesn't mean i agreed with you! How can you extrapolate that from my answer?surrey_commuter said:
So you gave me six reasons why leaving could be good for the UK economy, I pointed out they were nonsense and you agreed with me.spatt77 said:
#6 "use our veto" Ill think you`ll find the EU has gone over to qualified majority voting due to the troublesome, UK,Hungary and Poland!surrey_commuter said:
so you gave me 6 reasons why leaving will be an economic successspatt77 said:
1. We are not going to stop trading with the EU , it might just be more difficult.surrey_commuter said:
Yep for me it is all about the economy so why don’t you tell me the reasons why you think that Brexit could/will be an economic success.spatt77 said:
John, your wasting your time with Rick and SC, , its all about pounds and pence with them! Im sure if we are all richer after Brexit they`ll come on her and tell us they were actually Brexiteers and they we just giving us the other view point!john80 said:
That is some creative accounting right there.rick_chasey said:https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-will-cost-uk-more-than-total-payments-to-eu-2020-1
Brexit will have soon cost the UK more than all its payments to the EU over the past 47 years put together
I suspect that like John you will not be able to.
Is there an economic cost that you do not think justifies the extra sovereignty?
2. The growth in the EU is slowing compared with the rest of the world.
3. The EU is a protectionist bloc, trading with 2nd/3rd world countries might help lift them out of poverty.
4. The ease of trade doesn't outweigh the rest of the FOM,ECJ and ever closer union in my book.
5. Just because you do not place any value on sovereignty does not mean it doesn't have any value.
6. What happens if in your world we get to "The United States of Europe" and then you find out there even worse than the UK government? what would be the mechanism to get rid of it?
I suspect like many you wont be able to answer #6 as I've asked before and you haven't given me a answer.
1. is actually a reason why there is an economic downside to leaving
2. no relevance to uk economic performance post-Brexit
3. no relevance to uk economic performance post-Brexit
4. that is sovereignty not economics
5. you are agreeing with me
6. nothing to do with economics but i would use our veto
so you can not give a single reason to back up your belief that there will be an economic upside to leaving the EU. in fairness you are not alone as you will not be able to find anything from senior leavers saying there will be.
but as always SC you're only interested in money!
So you can not think of a single reason to back up your assumption that Brexit will be good for the UK economy.
Can you post a link to when the veto was scrapped in favour of QMV for all decisions, ideally one that would state we could not veto the change.
I will rephrase the question. What will Brexit change that could result in an economic upside for the UK.
Surely you can find something that Farage, Gove, Boris or JRM has said?
GDP is down, correct, but immigration is also down so a section of GDP growth has been removed. It doesn't mean when measured by GDP/capita that we are worse off! It's an uncomfortable fact that the likes of Stupid_Commuter ignore despite being repeatedly told, so he'll still keep with his fake news agenda.
According to the latest estimates by the Office for National Statistics (ONS), net migration from overseas to the UK in the year ending December 2019 totalled 270,000. This is higher than the annual average of 256,000 during the past decade and the annual average of 239,000 during the past 20 years.0 -
At the end of last year, I lived in California for a few months. Despite apparent agricultural deregulation, I estimate I spent the same amount of money at the supermarket each week (also take into account I was eating out at resturants much more than back home). Fresh fruit and veg was consistently more expensive.surrey_commuter said:
that is exactly the sort of thing that I am looking forTheBigBean said:
An example that is often talked about is deregulation to allow autonomous vehicles. This could lead to the UK becoming a world leader in these and boost the economy. Of course, you will say it doesn't outweigh the economic downsides, but you asked for an upside.surrey_commuter said:
None of them are an economic upside for the UK.spatt77 said:
Can you show me where i agreed with you? just because i didn't comment on the other 5 doesn't mean i agreed with you! How can you extrapolate that from my answer?surrey_commuter said:
So you gave me six reasons why leaving could be good for the UK economy, I pointed out they were nonsense and you agreed with me.spatt77 said:
#6 "use our veto" Ill think you`ll find the EU has gone over to qualified majority voting due to the troublesome, UK,Hungary and Poland!surrey_commuter said:
so you gave me 6 reasons why leaving will be an economic successspatt77 said:
1. We are not going to stop trading with the EU , it might just be more difficult.surrey_commuter said:
Yep for me it is all about the economy so why don’t you tell me the reasons why you think that Brexit could/will be an economic success.spatt77 said:
John, your wasting your time with Rick and SC, , its all about pounds and pence with them! Im sure if we are all richer after Brexit they`ll come on her and tell us they were actually Brexiteers and they we just giving us the other view point!john80 said:
That is some creative accounting right there.rick_chasey said:https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-will-cost-uk-more-than-total-payments-to-eu-2020-1
Brexit will have soon cost the UK more than all its payments to the EU over the past 47 years put together
I suspect that like John you will not be able to.
Is there an economic cost that you do not think justifies the extra sovereignty?
2. The growth in the EU is slowing compared with the rest of the world.
3. The EU is a protectionist bloc, trading with 2nd/3rd world countries might help lift them out of poverty.
4. The ease of trade doesn't outweigh the rest of the FOM,ECJ and ever closer union in my book.
5. Just because you do not place any value on sovereignty does not mean it doesn't have any value.
6. What happens if in your world we get to "The United States of Europe" and then you find out there even worse than the UK government? what would be the mechanism to get rid of it?
I suspect like many you wont be able to answer #6 as I've asked before and you haven't given me a answer.
1. is actually a reason why there is an economic downside to leaving
2. no relevance to uk economic performance post-Brexit
3. no relevance to uk economic performance post-Brexit
4. that is sovereignty not economics
5. you are agreeing with me
6. nothing to do with economics but i would use our veto
so you can not give a single reason to back up your belief that there will be an economic upside to leaving the EU. in fairness you are not alone as you will not be able to find anything from senior leavers saying there will be.
but as always SC you're only interested in money!
So you can not think of a single reason to back up your assumption that Brexit will be good for the UK economy.
Can you post a link to when the veto was scrapped in favour of QMV for all decisions, ideally one that would state we could not veto the change.
I will rephrase the question. What will Brexit change that could result in an economic upside for the UK.
Surely you can find something that Farage, Gove, Boris or JRM has said?
It will also be easier to achieve net zero although that is a green upside which is actually an economic downside.
I will chuck in the potential for agric deregulation and removal of tariffs which will benefit the poorest members of society
Other states may vary and of course this is all complicated by exchange rates.
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Record on renewables is reasonable though.rjsterry said:
Based on their record of meeting the legally required air quality, I would say it takes a bit more than that.TheBigBean said:
The previous government passed the net zero legislation and the Committee on Climate Change still exists.rick_chasey said:
What about the current gov't makes you think they are remotely interested in that?TheBigBean said:
It will also be easier to achieve net zero although that is a green upside which is actually an economic downside.
Half of the cabinet think climate change is massively overplayed?
It's true that the most green party at the previous general election was Labour, and then the Green Party. Not sure who was third.
I was a sceptic in 2010, but I am now a believer.0 -
we are back on the old problem of you not understanding words.coopster_the_1st said:
It was over 300k in the ONS figures released just before the 2016 referendum. You are just making yourself look more stupid...surrey_commuter said:
double whammy, net immigration is upsurrey_commuter said:
source that population growth has slowed faster than economic growthcoopster_the_1st said:
We are not worse off since the vote, that is project fear that remoaners are still pushing.spatt77 said:
Im really not that bothered if Im worse off due to Brexit, you continue to judge me by your own standards. Money may be your motivating factor ,it isn't mine!surrey_commuter said:
None of them are an economic upside for the UK.spatt77 said:
Can you show me where i agreed with you? just because i didn't comment on the other 5 doesn't mean i agreed with you! How can you extrapolate that from my answer?surrey_commuter said:
So you gave me six reasons why leaving could be good for the UK economy, I pointed out they were nonsense and you agreed with me.spatt77 said:
#6 "use our veto" Ill think you`ll find the EU has gone over to qualified majority voting due to the troublesome, UK,Hungary and Poland!surrey_commuter said:
so you gave me 6 reasons why leaving will be an economic successspatt77 said:
1. We are not going to stop trading with the EU , it might just be more difficult.surrey_commuter said:
Yep for me it is all about the economy so why don’t you tell me the reasons why you think that Brexit could/will be an economic success.spatt77 said:
John, your wasting your time with Rick and SC, , its all about pounds and pence with them! Im sure if we are all richer after Brexit they`ll come on her and tell us they were actually Brexiteers and they we just giving us the other view point!john80 said:
That is some creative accounting right there.rick_chasey said:https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-will-cost-uk-more-than-total-payments-to-eu-2020-1
Brexit will have soon cost the UK more than all its payments to the EU over the past 47 years put together
I suspect that like John you will not be able to.
Is there an economic cost that you do not think justifies the extra sovereignty?
2. The growth in the EU is slowing compared with the rest of the world.
3. The EU is a protectionist bloc, trading with 2nd/3rd world countries might help lift them out of poverty.
4. The ease of trade doesn't outweigh the rest of the FOM,ECJ and ever closer union in my book.
5. Just because you do not place any value on sovereignty does not mean it doesn't have any value.
6. What happens if in your world we get to "The United States of Europe" and then you find out there even worse than the UK government? what would be the mechanism to get rid of it?
I suspect like many you wont be able to answer #6 as I've asked before and you haven't given me a answer.
1. is actually a reason why there is an economic downside to leaving
2. no relevance to uk economic performance post-Brexit
3. no relevance to uk economic performance post-Brexit
4. that is sovereignty not economics
5. you are agreeing with me
6. nothing to do with economics but i would use our veto
so you can not give a single reason to back up your belief that there will be an economic upside to leaving the EU. in fairness you are not alone as you will not be able to find anything from senior leavers saying there will be.
but as always SC you're only interested in money!
So you can not think of a single reason to back up your assumption that Brexit will be good for the UK economy.
Can you post a link to when the veto was scrapped in favour of QMV for all decisions, ideally one that would state we could not veto the change.
I will rephrase the question. What will Brexit change that could result in an economic upside for the UK.
Surely you can find something that Farage, Gove, Boris or JRM has said?
GDP is down, correct, but immigration is also down so a section of GDP growth has been removed. It doesn't mean when measured by GDP/capita that we are worse off! It's an uncomfortable fact that the likes of Stupid_Commuter ignore despite being repeatedly told, so he'll still keep with his fake news agenda.
According to the latest estimates by the Office for National Statistics (ONS), net migration from overseas to the UK in the year ending December 2019 totalled 270,000. This is higher than the annual average of 256,000 during the past decade and the annual average of 239,000 during the past 20 years.
https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/statistics-net-migration-statistics0 -
offset against your personal experiences is the fact that we have tarifs and gteed prices (do they still exist) that could be cut and quotas that could be abolished. Coupled with teh removal of non-trade barriers and you must see a widening of choice and lowering of prices.Jeremy.89 said:
At the end of last year, I lived in California for a few months. Despite apparent agricultural deregulation, I estimate I spent the same amount of money at the supermarket each week (also take into account I was eating out at resturants much more than back home). Fresh fruit and veg was consistently more expensive.surrey_commuter said:
that is exactly the sort of thing that I am looking forTheBigBean said:
An example that is often talked about is deregulation to allow autonomous vehicles. This could lead to the UK becoming a world leader in these and boost the economy. Of course, you will say it doesn't outweigh the economic downsides, but you asked for an upside.surrey_commuter said:
None of them are an economic upside for the UK.spatt77 said:
Can you show me where i agreed with you? just because i didn't comment on the other 5 doesn't mean i agreed with you! How can you extrapolate that from my answer?surrey_commuter said:
So you gave me six reasons why leaving could be good for the UK economy, I pointed out they were nonsense and you agreed with me.spatt77 said:
#6 "use our veto" Ill think you`ll find the EU has gone over to qualified majority voting due to the troublesome, UK,Hungary and Poland!surrey_commuter said:
so you gave me 6 reasons why leaving will be an economic successspatt77 said:
1. We are not going to stop trading with the EU , it might just be more difficult.surrey_commuter said:
Yep for me it is all about the economy so why don’t you tell me the reasons why you think that Brexit could/will be an economic success.spatt77 said:
John, your wasting your time with Rick and SC, , its all about pounds and pence with them! Im sure if we are all richer after Brexit they`ll come on her and tell us they were actually Brexiteers and they we just giving us the other view point!john80 said:
That is some creative accounting right there.rick_chasey said:https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-will-cost-uk-more-than-total-payments-to-eu-2020-1
Brexit will have soon cost the UK more than all its payments to the EU over the past 47 years put together
I suspect that like John you will not be able to.
Is there an economic cost that you do not think justifies the extra sovereignty?
2. The growth in the EU is slowing compared with the rest of the world.
3. The EU is a protectionist bloc, trading with 2nd/3rd world countries might help lift them out of poverty.
4. The ease of trade doesn't outweigh the rest of the FOM,ECJ and ever closer union in my book.
5. Just because you do not place any value on sovereignty does not mean it doesn't have any value.
6. What happens if in your world we get to "The United States of Europe" and then you find out there even worse than the UK government? what would be the mechanism to get rid of it?
I suspect like many you wont be able to answer #6 as I've asked before and you haven't given me a answer.
1. is actually a reason why there is an economic downside to leaving
2. no relevance to uk economic performance post-Brexit
3. no relevance to uk economic performance post-Brexit
4. that is sovereignty not economics
5. you are agreeing with me
6. nothing to do with economics but i would use our veto
so you can not give a single reason to back up your belief that there will be an economic upside to leaving the EU. in fairness you are not alone as you will not be able to find anything from senior leavers saying there will be.
but as always SC you're only interested in money!
So you can not think of a single reason to back up your assumption that Brexit will be good for the UK economy.
Can you post a link to when the veto was scrapped in favour of QMV for all decisions, ideally one that would state we could not veto the change.
I will rephrase the question. What will Brexit change that could result in an economic upside for the UK.
Surely you can find something that Farage, Gove, Boris or JRM has said?
It will also be easier to achieve net zero although that is a green upside which is actually an economic downside.
I will chuck in the potential for agric deregulation and removal of tariffs which will benefit the poorest members of society
Other states may vary and of course this is all complicated by exchange rates.0 -
In the year ending (YE) December 2015 - Net Long-Term International Migration = +333,000surrey_commuter said:
we are back on the old problem of you not understanding words.coopster_the_1st said:
It was over 300k in the ONS figures released just before the 2016 referendum. You are just making yourself look more stupid...surrey_commuter said:
double whammy, net immigration is upsurrey_commuter said:
source that population growth has slowed faster than economic growthcoopster_the_1st said:
We are not worse off since the vote, that is project fear that remoaners are still pushing.spatt77 said:
Im really not that bothered if Im worse off due to Brexit, you continue to judge me by your own standards. Money may be your motivating factor ,it isn't mine!surrey_commuter said:
None of them are an economic upside for the UK.spatt77 said:
Can you show me where i agreed with you? just because i didn't comment on the other 5 doesn't mean i agreed with you! How can you extrapolate that from my answer?surrey_commuter said:
So you gave me six reasons why leaving could be good for the UK economy, I pointed out they were nonsense and you agreed with me.spatt77 said:
#6 "use our veto" Ill think you`ll find the EU has gone over to qualified majority voting due to the troublesome, UK,Hungary and Poland!surrey_commuter said:
so you gave me 6 reasons why leaving will be an economic successspatt77 said:
1. We are not going to stop trading with the EU , it might just be more difficult.surrey_commuter said:
Yep for me it is all about the economy so why don’t you tell me the reasons why you think that Brexit could/will be an economic success.spatt77 said:
John, your wasting your time with Rick and SC, , its all about pounds and pence with them! Im sure if we are all richer after Brexit they`ll come on her and tell us they were actually Brexiteers and they we just giving us the other view point!john80 said:
That is some creative accounting right there.rick_chasey said:https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-will-cost-uk-more-than-total-payments-to-eu-2020-1
Brexit will have soon cost the UK more than all its payments to the EU over the past 47 years put together
I suspect that like John you will not be able to.
Is there an economic cost that you do not think justifies the extra sovereignty?
2. The growth in the EU is slowing compared with the rest of the world.
3. The EU is a protectionist bloc, trading with 2nd/3rd world countries might help lift them out of poverty.
4. The ease of trade doesn't outweigh the rest of the FOM,ECJ and ever closer union in my book.
5. Just because you do not place any value on sovereignty does not mean it doesn't have any value.
6. What happens if in your world we get to "The United States of Europe" and then you find out there even worse than the UK government? what would be the mechanism to get rid of it?
I suspect like many you wont be able to answer #6 as I've asked before and you haven't given me a answer.
1. is actually a reason why there is an economic downside to leaving
2. no relevance to uk economic performance post-Brexit
3. no relevance to uk economic performance post-Brexit
4. that is sovereignty not economics
5. you are agreeing with me
6. nothing to do with economics but i would use our veto
so you can not give a single reason to back up your belief that there will be an economic upside to leaving the EU. in fairness you are not alone as you will not be able to find anything from senior leavers saying there will be.
but as always SC you're only interested in money!
So you can not think of a single reason to back up your assumption that Brexit will be good for the UK economy.
Can you post a link to when the veto was scrapped in favour of QMV for all decisions, ideally one that would state we could not veto the change.
I will rephrase the question. What will Brexit change that could result in an economic upside for the UK.
Surely you can find something that Farage, Gove, Boris or JRM has said?
GDP is down, correct, but immigration is also down so a section of GDP growth has been removed. It doesn't mean when measured by GDP/capita that we are worse off! It's an uncomfortable fact that the likes of Stupid_Commuter ignore despite being repeatedly told, so he'll still keep with his fake news agenda.
According to the latest estimates by the Office for National Statistics (ONS), net migration from overseas to the UK in the year ending December 2019 totalled 270,000. This is higher than the annual average of 256,000 during the past decade and the annual average of 239,000 during the past 20 years.
https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/statistics-net-migration-statistics
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/migrationstatisticsquarterlyreport/may2016
As I said you are repeatedly making yourself look stupid. Net migration is now down on 2015 numbers which will affect GDP.
And using your favourite term, the direction of travel was upwards until the UK voted to leave.0 -
These migration numbers really p!ss on the chips of remoaners who say the UK is bad, horrible country when 600k non-British people a year are moving to the UK0
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Surely if net migration is greater than zero, then your argument about GDP per capita is wrong.
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Remainers thought the status quo was better than a radical change. UKIP were constantly complaining about modern Britain.coopster_the_1st said:These migration numbers really p!ss on the chips of remoaners who say the UK is bad, horrible country when 600k non-British people a year are moving to the UK
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FTFYJeremy.89 said:
Remainers thought the status quo was better than a radical change. UKIP were constantly complaining about the increasing amount of EU influence in modern Britain.coopster_the_1st said:These migration numbers really p!ss on the chips of remoaners who say the UK is bad, horrible country when 600k non-British people a year are moving to the UK
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Sure personal experiences are always of limited use, but I did find the cost of fresh food slightly surprising.surrey_commuter said:
offset against your personal experiences is the fact that we have tarifs and gteed prices (do they still exist) that could be cut and quotas that could be abolished. Coupled with teh removal of non-trade barriers and you must see a widening of choice and lowering of prices.Jeremy.89 said:
At the end of last year, I lived in California for a few months. Despite apparent agricultural deregulation, I estimate I spent the same amount of money at the supermarket each week (also take into account I was eating out at resturants much more than back home). Fresh fruit and veg was consistently more expensive.surrey_commuter said:
that is exactly the sort of thing that I am looking forTheBigBean said:
An example that is often talked about is deregulation to allow autonomous vehicles. This could lead to the UK becoming a world leader in these and boost the economy. Of course, you will say it doesn't outweigh the economic downsides, but you asked for an upside.surrey_commuter said:
None of them are an economic upside for the UK.spatt77 said:
Can you show me where i agreed with you? just because i didn't comment on the other 5 doesn't mean i agreed with you! How can you extrapolate that from my answer?surrey_commuter said:
So you gave me six reasons why leaving could be good for the UK economy, I pointed out they were nonsense and you agreed with me.spatt77 said:
#6 "use our veto" Ill think you`ll find the EU has gone over to qualified majority voting due to the troublesome, UK,Hungary and Poland!surrey_commuter said:
so you gave me 6 reasons why leaving will be an economic successspatt77 said:
1. We are not going to stop trading with the EU , it might just be more difficult.surrey_commuter said:
Yep for me it is all about the economy so why don’t you tell me the reasons why you think that Brexit could/will be an economic success.spatt77 said:
John, your wasting your time with Rick and SC, , its all about pounds and pence with them! Im sure if we are all richer after Brexit they`ll come on her and tell us they were actually Brexiteers and they we just giving us the other view point!john80 said:
That is some creative accounting right there.rick_chasey said:https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-will-cost-uk-more-than-total-payments-to-eu-2020-1
Brexit will have soon cost the UK more than all its payments to the EU over the past 47 years put together
I suspect that like John you will not be able to.
Is there an economic cost that you do not think justifies the extra sovereignty?
2. The growth in the EU is slowing compared with the rest of the world.
3. The EU is a protectionist bloc, trading with 2nd/3rd world countries might help lift them out of poverty.
4. The ease of trade doesn't outweigh the rest of the FOM,ECJ and ever closer union in my book.
5. Just because you do not place any value on sovereignty does not mean it doesn't have any value.
6. What happens if in your world we get to "The United States of Europe" and then you find out there even worse than the UK government? what would be the mechanism to get rid of it?
I suspect like many you wont be able to answer #6 as I've asked before and you haven't given me a answer.
1. is actually a reason why there is an economic downside to leaving
2. no relevance to uk economic performance post-Brexit
3. no relevance to uk economic performance post-Brexit
4. that is sovereignty not economics
5. you are agreeing with me
6. nothing to do with economics but i would use our veto
so you can not give a single reason to back up your belief that there will be an economic upside to leaving the EU. in fairness you are not alone as you will not be able to find anything from senior leavers saying there will be.
but as always SC you're only interested in money!
So you can not think of a single reason to back up your assumption that Brexit will be good for the UK economy.
Can you post a link to when the veto was scrapped in favour of QMV for all decisions, ideally one that would state we could not veto the change.
I will rephrase the question. What will Brexit change that could result in an economic upside for the UK.
Surely you can find something that Farage, Gove, Boris or JRM has said?
It will also be easier to achieve net zero although that is a green upside which is actually an economic downside.
I will chuck in the potential for agric deregulation and removal of tariffs which will benefit the poorest members of society
Other states may vary and of course this is all complicated by exchange rates.
Are there any countries that have successfully gone through the removal of tarrifs and barriers when it comes to food?
I'm broadly concerned that "barriers" is just a euphemism for standards that exist for good reason. Otoh should PETA be able to stop my enjoyment of fois gras?
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Yes.Jeremy.89 said:Otoh should PETA be able to stop my enjoyment of fois gras?
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I imagine there are plenty of others. Another is that the UK wouldn't be subject to the EU's antidumping (aka protectionism) on irrelevant imports e.g. solar panels would have cost less, but instead the UK companies had to pay Chinese companies more just in case some German companies could survive making solar panels (they couldn't).surrey_commuter said:
that is exactly the sort of thing that I am looking forTheBigBean said:
An example that is often talked about is deregulation to allow autonomous vehicles. This could lead to the UK becoming a world leader in these and boost the economy. Of course, you will say it doesn't outweigh the economic downsides, but you asked for an upside.surrey_commuter said:
None of them are an economic upside for the UK.spatt77 said:
Can you show me where i agreed with you? just because i didn't comment on the other 5 doesn't mean i agreed with you! How can you extrapolate that from my answer?surrey_commuter said:
So you gave me six reasons why leaving could be good for the UK economy, I pointed out they were nonsense and you agreed with me.spatt77 said:
#6 "use our veto" Ill think you`ll find the EU has gone over to qualified majority voting due to the troublesome, UK,Hungary and Poland!surrey_commuter said:
so you gave me 6 reasons why leaving will be an economic successspatt77 said:
1. We are not going to stop trading with the EU , it might just be more difficult.surrey_commuter said:
Yep for me it is all about the economy so why don’t you tell me the reasons why you think that Brexit could/will be an economic success.spatt77 said:
John, your wasting your time with Rick and SC, , its all about pounds and pence with them! Im sure if we are all richer after Brexit they`ll come on her and tell us they were actually Brexiteers and they we just giving us the other view point!john80 said:
That is some creative accounting right there.rick_chasey said:https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-will-cost-uk-more-than-total-payments-to-eu-2020-1
Brexit will have soon cost the UK more than all its payments to the EU over the past 47 years put together
I suspect that like John you will not be able to.
Is there an economic cost that you do not think justifies the extra sovereignty?
2. The growth in the EU is slowing compared with the rest of the world.
3. The EU is a protectionist bloc, trading with 2nd/3rd world countries might help lift them out of poverty.
4. The ease of trade doesn't outweigh the rest of the FOM,ECJ and ever closer union in my book.
5. Just because you do not place any value on sovereignty does not mean it doesn't have any value.
6. What happens if in your world we get to "The United States of Europe" and then you find out there even worse than the UK government? what would be the mechanism to get rid of it?
I suspect like many you wont be able to answer #6 as I've asked before and you haven't given me a answer.
1. is actually a reason why there is an economic downside to leaving
2. no relevance to uk economic performance post-Brexit
3. no relevance to uk economic performance post-Brexit
4. that is sovereignty not economics
5. you are agreeing with me
6. nothing to do with economics but i would use our veto
so you can not give a single reason to back up your belief that there will be an economic upside to leaving the EU. in fairness you are not alone as you will not be able to find anything from senior leavers saying there will be.
but as always SC you're only interested in money!
So you can not think of a single reason to back up your assumption that Brexit will be good for the UK economy.
Can you post a link to when the veto was scrapped in favour of QMV for all decisions, ideally one that would state we could not veto the change.
I will rephrase the question. What will Brexit change that could result in an economic upside for the UK.
Surely you can find something that Farage, Gove, Boris or JRM has said?
It will also be easier to achieve net zero although that is a green upside which is actually an economic downside.
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Protectionism is going to be a theme for the foreseeable.
Anyway, wasn’t that the whole point of Brexit?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0
