BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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It's rather ironic that Leavers are accused of not knowing what they were voting for or against, but remainers knew what knowledge leavers were missing so remainers knew what they were voting for/againstspatt77 said:
Are you saying that every Remainer KNEW what they were voting for?. Obviously I`m well aware that Remainers are much more intelligent than Leavers as youve never been shy to tell us! Have you any graphs you can bamboozle me with to ram home your point?bompington said:
At least this post has the merit of making Coopster look quite intelligentspatt77 said:Its true that some leavers had no idea what they were voting for, but that too cuts both ways, their is also the same amount of remainers who had no idea what they were voting for!
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Please stopspatt77 said:
Are you saying that every Remainer KNEW what they were voting for?. Obviously I`m well aware that Remainers are much more intelligent than Leavers as youve never been shy to tell us! Have you any graphs you can bamboozle me with to ram home your point?bompington said:
At least this post has the merit of making Coopster look quite intelligentspatt77 said:Its true that some leavers had no idea what they were voting for, but that too cuts both ways, their is also the same amount of remainers who had no idea what they were voting for!
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Coopster, you know that Remainers are smarter than us! Im just confused why Remainers get the reputation of being superior and of a much higher intelligence!coopster_the_1st said:
It's rather ironic that Leavers are accused of not knowing what they were voting for or against, but remainers knew what knowledge leavers were missing so remainers knew what they were voting for/againstspatt77 said:
Are you saying that every Remainer KNEW what they were voting for?. Obviously I`m well aware that Remainers are much more intelligent than Leavers as youve never been shy to tell us! Have you any graphs you can bamboozle me with to ram home your point?bompington said:
At least this post has the merit of making Coopster look quite intelligentspatt77 said:Its true that some leavers had no idea what they were voting for, but that too cuts both ways, their is also the same amount of remainers who had no idea what they were voting for!
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OK, I'm aware that it's futile, but I'll try.spatt77 said:
Are you saying that every Remainer KNEW what they were voting for?. Obviously I`m well aware that Remainers are much more intelligent than Leavers as youve never been shy to tell us! Have you any graphs you can bamboozle me with to ram home your point?bompington said:
At least this post has the merit of making Coopster look quite intelligentspatt77 said:Its true that some leavers had no idea what they were voting for, but that too cuts both ways, their is also the same amount of remainers who had no idea what they were voting for!
There (please note the spelling) have never been many Remain voters who are as slaveringly pro-EU as the Leavers are anti. I would quote opinion polls etc if I thought the facts would make any difference but I really can't be bothered.
Most of us are well aware of the shortcomings of the EU, but have decided that, on balance, the advantages outweigh them. That's all.
And we do have the slight advantage that we have actual observable facts to go on: evidence from nearly 50 years of membership.
We have also paid attention to other useful information, like the endlessly and pointlessly repeated listing of facts that show that an awful lot of the things Leavers are complaining about are not the fault of the EU at all.
So yes, we know what we were voting for: because it's what we had, what anyone who is not either stupid or wilfully blinding themselves could see with their (please note spelling) own eyes.
That includes things like prosperity, environmental standards, bigger and better influence in the world than we will ever manage on our own*, freedom of movement, an ability to influence the world's largest market.
I don't expect this post to resonate much with someone whose level of debate is pretty much "you're a poo. No you're a poo" though.
*Isn't it funny how the people who are so keen to point out how big and bold Britain will be now it's "independent" are equally keen to claim that we had no influence on the EU?
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Welcome to being a Leaver. We can also see the shortcomings of the EU, can see the direction of travel and want to get out of the EU as this is the only way we are going to get less EU.bompington said:
Most of us are well aware of the shortcomings of the EU
At least you have confirmed Leavers did know what they were voting for. It has only taken 4 years for a remoaner to accept this!
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I distinctly remember you saying you were voting leave to improve Britain's hand at negotiating better terms to remain within the EU, so it sounds remarkably like you didn't know what you were voting for.coopster_the_1st said:
Welcome to being a Leaver. We can also see the shortcomings of the EU, can see the direction of travel and want to get out of the EU as this is the only way we are going to get less EU.bompington said:
Most of us are well aware of the shortcomings of the EU
At least you have confirmed Leavers did know what they were voting for. It has only taken 4 years for a remoaner to accept this!
Want me to find the quote of yours on this very thread?0 -
oh go on, at least we would find out if he understands his own wordsrick_chasey said:
I distinctly remember you saying you were voting leave to improve Britain's hand at negotiating better terms to remain within the EU, so it sounds remarkably like you didn't know what you were voting for.coopster_the_1st said:
Welcome to being a Leaver. We can also see the shortcomings of the EU, can see the direction of travel and want to get out of the EU as this is the only way we are going to get less EU.bompington said:
Most of us are well aware of the shortcomings of the EU
At least you have confirmed Leavers did know what they were voting for. It has only taken 4 years for a remoaner to accept this!
Want me to find the quote of yours on this very thread?0 -
Did Leavers want the widespread removal of parliamentary oversight from ministerial decisions?
The Covid regulations are just the start of bypassing parliamentary democracy.
As recommended by Tim Montgomerie. Here's David Hencke on the creeping imposition of government by ministerial decree.
https://davidhencke.com/2020/06/21/welcome-to-your-new-rulers-uk-commissioners-gove-johnson-and-cummings/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
So when Gove and Johnson talked about taking back control, they were speaking personally.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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From page 2, 5 years ago....coopster_the_1st said:
At least you have confirmed Leavers did know what they were voting for. It has only taken 4 years for a remoaner to accept this!
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That is 100% the end goal.pblakeney said:ballysmate wrote:If the referendum was held today and the terms were that we had reached the limit to our integration, reaching a line in the sand, I would probably vote to stay in. But the fear is, until any terms are published, there will be further moves towards a goal of US of Europe, however many years away, and that is not for me.
Ask anyone outside of the UK. Do some research.
A Federal State of Europe is the intention.
Anyone thinking otherwise is deluding themselves.
Whether you think that is a good thing, or a bad thing, should decide your vote.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.1 -
Go and find it.rick_chasey said:
I distinctly remember you saying you were voting leave to improve Britain's hand at negotiating better terms to remain within the EU, so it sounds remarkably like you didn't know what you were voting for.coopster_the_1st said:
Welcome to being a Leaver. We can also see the shortcomings of the EU, can see the direction of travel and want to get out of the EU as this is the only way we are going to get less EU.bompington said:
Most of us are well aware of the shortcomings of the EU
At least you have confirmed Leavers did know what they were voting for. It has only taken 4 years for a remoaner to accept this!
Want me to find the quote of yours on this very thread?
I wanted less EU and stop to the direction of travel, ie something way better than Cameron's February 2016 nothingness negotiation that was no where near enough. The EU have decided that is not an option so I stand stronger than ever by my 'Leave' vote.0 -
pblakeney said:
From page 2, 5 years ago....coopster_the_1st said:
At least you have confirmed Leavers did know what they were voting for. It has only taken 4 years for a remoaner to accept this!
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That is 100% the end goal.pblakeney said:ballysmate wrote:If the referendum was held today and the terms were that we had reached the limit to our integration, reaching a line in the sand, I would probably vote to stay in. But the fear is, until any terms are published, there will be further moves towards a goal of US of Europe, however many years away, and that is not for me.
Ask anyone outside of the UK. Do some research.
A Federal State of Europe is the intention.
Anyone thinking otherwise is deluding themselves.
Whether you think that is a good thing, or a bad thing, should decide your vote.
You should tell Remainers this as they spent the whole referendum telling Leavers that this was not the end goal.
Have you just proved that remainers didn't know what they were voting for?1 -
https://forum.bikeradar.com/discussion/comment/19872186/#Comment_19872186coopster_the_1st said:
Go and find it.rick_chasey said:
I distinctly remember you saying you were voting leave to improve Britain's hand at negotiating better terms to remain within the EU, so it sounds remarkably like you didn't know what you were voting for.coopster_the_1st said:
Welcome to being a Leaver. We can also see the shortcomings of the EU, can see the direction of travel and want to get out of the EU as this is the only way we are going to get less EU.bompington said:
Most of us are well aware of the shortcomings of the EU
At least you have confirmed Leavers did know what they were voting for. It has only taken 4 years for a remoaner to accept this!
Want me to find the quote of yours on this very thread?
I wanted less EU and stop to the direction of travel, ie something way better than Cameron's February 2016 nothingness negotiation that was no where near enough. The EU have decided that is not an option so I stand stronger than ever by my 'Leave' vote.coopster_the_1st said:Rick Chasey wrote:If the UK votes to leave, that's it.
That's not the beginning of a negotiation on the UK leaving or not.
If we leave what happens to the EU? Which country would be next to hold a referendum? How long will the EU survive when that happens? 5, maybe 10 years
Looks at the way the financial markets reacted to the EU when there was a risk of Greece leaving last year. They are minor in comparison to the size and influence that the UK has on the EU. Not to mention we are one of its largest funders.
The EU cannot let the UK leave if the EU wants to stay together. We will get the reforms the UK electorate wants and then another referendum.
--coopster_the_1st said:Tangled Metal wrote:The main Brexit group is trying to argue on a wider range of topics. Yet most pro Brexit posters on here seem to mostly post on immigration. Widen the arguments guys immigration isn't the only narrative.
Good post TM.
What swung the vote decision for me was the lack of reform achieved by David Cameron in February. This was with a referendum vote looming. The fact David Cameron also came back and declared this as victory for the UK was insulting to the British Electorate.
Everyone in the remain camp knows that the EU needs reforming, in fact their campaign is that we have to be in to reform it. However with a referendum vote looming the EU demonstrated how open it was to reform. If we vote REMAIN the EU will see this as justification of the current set-up and any suggested reforms will just be ignored/voted down!
We will only achieve any sort of EU reform by voting LEAVE. Then reform will happen as the EU cannot let the second strongest nation leave the project as it will trigger a tidal wave of other countries doing exactly the same. Not to mention the huge loss of benefits that the UK provides the EU.
I fully expect a second referendum within 12 month after some proper reform has occurred in the EU in which the concerns of the British public will have been taken into account. The will not happen if we vote to stay IN.
--coopster_the_1st said:Surrey Commuter wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Ultimately brexiters are grass-is-greener-on-the-other-side fantasists.
Every claim they make gets debunked. When that happens they stick their fingers in their ears, sing rule Britania very loudly and dream of a 'better time' when Europe was ablaze and millions were being killed.
Only the odd nutter is arguing we will be better off. Bizarrely this is usually based on the assumption that the EU will renegotiate and we will stay in. So a argument for voting leave but not not an argument for leaving.
I don't believe we will be better off if we stay in as the EU is now but I do see a very close referendum. In the event of an OUT vote I foresee a movement where EU reforms will be renegotiated and we'll have a second referendum that will end with a IN vote. I will be happy with that if the main reforms are addressed.
The EU cannot allow us to leave as that will be the beginning of the end of the EU. They are also not going to state this position as it will mean a landslide LEAVE vote so instead we get Project Fear and negativity from the REMAIN camp. :roll:
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pblakeney said:
From page 2, 5 years ago....coopster_the_1st said:
At least you have confirmed Leavers did know what they were voting for. It has only taken 4 years for a remoaner to accept this!
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That is 100% the end goal.pblakeney said:ballysmate wrote:If the referendum was held today and the terms were that we had reached the limit to our integration, reaching a line in the sand, I would probably vote to stay in. But the fear is, until any terms are published, there will be further moves towards a goal of US of Europe, however many years away, and that is not for me.
Ask anyone outside of the UK. Do some research.
A Federal State of Europe is the intention.
Anyone thinking otherwise is deluding themselves.
Whether you think that is a good thing, or a bad thing, should decide your vote.
Fair point and that was one of my key concerns."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
You should tell Remainers this as they spent the whole referendum telling Leavers that this was not the end goal.coopster_the_1st said:pblakeney said:
From page 2, 5 years ago....coopster_the_1st said:
At least you have confirmed Leavers did know what they were voting for. It has only taken 4 years for a remoaner to accept this!
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That is 100% the end goal.pblakeney said:ballysmate wrote:If the referendum was held today and the terms were that we had reached the limit to our integration, reaching a line in the sand, I would probably vote to stay in. But the fear is, until any terms are published, there will be further moves towards a goal of US of Europe, however many years away, and that is not for me.
Ask anyone outside of the UK. Do some research.
A Federal State of Europe is the intention.
Anyone thinking otherwise is deluding themselves.
Whether you think that is a good thing, or a bad thing, should decide your vote.
Have you just proved that remainers didn't know what they were voting for?
It is true that a lot of people have claimed on here that the EU was not trying to do that, despite the consistent messaging from Brussels on 'ever closer union' etc."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
It is true that a lot of people have claimed on here that the EU was not trying to do that, despite the consistent messaging from Brussels on 'ever closer union' etc.Stevo_666 said:
You should tell Remainers this as they spent the whole referendum telling Leavers that this was not the end goal.coopster_the_1st said:pblakeney said:
From page 2, 5 years ago....coopster_the_1st said:
At least you have confirmed Leavers did know what they were voting for. It has only taken 4 years for a remoaner to accept this!
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That is 100% the end goal.pblakeney said:ballysmate wrote:If the referendum was held today and the terms were that we had reached the limit to our integration, reaching a line in the sand, I would probably vote to stay in. But the fear is, until any terms are published, there will be further moves towards a goal of US of Europe, however many years away, and that is not for me.
Ask anyone outside of the UK. Do some research.
A Federal State of Europe is the intention.
Anyone thinking otherwise is deluding themselves.
Whether you think that is a good thing, or a bad thing, should decide your vote.
Have you just proved that remainers didn't know what they were voting for?
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Anyway back on topic, looks like BoJo is going to fully capitulate and call it a victory with the "you change the laws, we whack on the tariffs" approach, as that is entirely what the EU wanted.
It does however line up the EU to the perma-bogeyman within the UK, forever and ever and ever.0 -
wrong accountsurrey_commuter said:
It is true that a lot of people have claimed on here that the EU was not trying to do that, despite the consistent messaging from Brussels on 'ever closer union' etc.Stevo_666 said:
You should tell Remainers this as they spent the whole referendum telling Leavers that this was not the end goal.coopster_the_1st said:pblakeney said:
From page 2, 5 years ago....coopster_the_1st said:
At least you have confirmed Leavers did know what they were voting for. It has only taken 4 years for a remoaner to accept this!
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That is 100% the end goal.pblakeney said:ballysmate wrote:If the referendum was held today and the terms were that we had reached the limit to our integration, reaching a line in the sand, I would probably vote to stay in. But the fear is, until any terms are published, there will be further moves towards a goal of US of Europe, however many years away, and that is not for me.
Ask anyone outside of the UK. Do some research.
A Federal State of Europe is the intention.
Anyone thinking otherwise is deluding themselves.
Whether you think that is a good thing, or a bad thing, should decide your vote.
Have you just proved that remainers didn't know what they were voting for?
Scandalous
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I have just proved that this remainer was 100% aware of your fears long before the referendum. So I did know what I was voting for.coopster_the_1st said:
Have you just proved that remainers didn't know what they were voting for?
Did you? Blue passports, side of a bus and no more immigrants?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
NOsurrey_commuter said:
Please stopspatt77 said:
Are you saying that every Remainer KNEW what they were voting for?. Obviously I`m well aware that Remainers are much more intelligent than Leavers as youve never been shy to tell us! Have you any graphs you can bamboozle me with to ram home your point?bompington said:
At least this post has the merit of making Coopster look quite intelligentspatt77 said:Its true that some leavers had no idea what they were voting for, but that too cuts both ways, their is also the same amount of remainers who had no idea what they were voting for!
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bompington said:
OK, I'm aware that it's futile, but I'll try.spatt77 said:
Are you saying that every Remainer KNEW what they were voting for?. Obviously I`m well aware that Remainers are much more intelligent than Leavers as youve never been shy to tell us! Have you any graphs you can bamboozle me with to ram home your point?bompington said:
At least this post has the merit of making Coopster look quite intelligentspatt77 said:Its true that some leavers had no idea what they were voting for, but that too cuts both ways, their is also the same amount of remainers who had no idea what they were voting for!
There (please note the spelling) have never been many Remain voters who are as slaveringly pro-EU as the Leavers are anti. I would quote opinion polls etc if I thought the facts would make any difference but I really can't be bothered.
Most of us are well aware of the shortcomings of the EU, but have decided that, on balance, the advantages outweigh them. That's all.
And we do have the slight advantage that we have actual observable facts to go on: evidence from nearly 50 years of membership.
We have also paid attention to other useful information, like the endlessly and pointlessly repeated listing of facts that show that an awful lot of the things Leavers are complaining about are not the fault of the EU at all.
So yes, we know what we were voting for: because it's what we had, what anyone who is not either stupid or wilfully blinding themselves could see with their (please note spelling) own eyes.
That includes things like prosperity, environmental standards, bigger and better influence in the world than we will ever manage on our own*, freedom of movement, an ability to influence the world's largest market.
I don't expect this post to resonate much with someone whose level of debate is pretty much "you're a poo. No you're a poo" though.
*Isn't it funny how the people who are so keen to point out how big and bold Britain will be now it's "independent" are equally keen to claim that we had no influence on the EU?
I know its futile but Ill try,
1. I do not think all our woes are the EU`s fault.
2. We dont KNOW if were gonna be more or less prosperous outside of the EU yet so lets defer that for a few years
3. Nearly all of our environmental standards are higher than the EU`s to start with.
4. Some of the countries with the highest standards of living in the world do not have a great deal of world influence,( PS, you sound like Nick Clegg when you quote this kind of tosh).
5. By voting share we had about 8% influence in the EU. Not a huge amount in my book
6. When we originally joined in 70`s, the general public weren't told about FOM, ECJ or ever closer union, this is in some part OUR governments fault and not the EU however we were conned into joining the "Common Market" by the omission of this information.
My problem has always been if we had known what we were getting into in the first place I personally would have had no problem with EU membership, but we weren't!
I hope this clarifies my position and resonates with your good self!0 -
spatt77 said:
it is so frustrating that you and others have decided there is an economic case for leaving when no senior leaver has ever seriously tried to do so. none of them think that leaving the SM is the route to milk and honey. To them it is a price worth paying for greater sovereignty.bompington said:
OK, I'm aware that it's futile, but I'll try.spatt77 said:
Are you saying that every Remainer KNEW what they were voting for?. Obviously I`m well aware that Remainers are much more intelligent than Leavers as youve never been shy to tell us! Have you any graphs you can bamboozle me with to ram home your point?bompington said:
At least this post has the merit of making Coopster look quite intelligentspatt77 said:Its true that some leavers had no idea what they were voting for, but that too cuts both ways, their is also the same amount of remainers who had no idea what they were voting for!
There (please note the spelling) have never been many Remain voters who are as slaveringly pro-EU as the Leavers are anti. I would quote opinion polls etc if I thought the facts would make any difference but I really can't be bothered.
Most of us are well aware of the shortcomings of the EU, but have decided that, on balance, the advantages outweigh them. That's all.
And we do have the slight advantage that we have actual observable facts to go on: evidence from nearly 50 years of membership.
We have also paid attention to other useful information, like the endlessly and pointlessly repeated listing of facts that show that an awful lot of the things Leavers are complaining about are not the fault of the EU at all.
So yes, we know what we were voting for: because it's what we had, what anyone who is not either stupid or wilfully blinding themselves could see with their (please note spelling) own eyes.
That includes things like prosperity, environmental standards, bigger and better influence in the world than we will ever manage on our own*, freedom of movement, an ability to influence the world's largest market.
I don't expect this post to resonate much with someone whose level of debate is pretty much "you're a poo. No you're a poo" though.
*Isn't it funny how the people who are so keen to point out how big and bold Britain will be now it's "independent" are equally keen to claim that we had no influence on the EU?
I know its futile but Ill try,
1. I do not think all our woes are the EU`s fault.
2. We dont KNOW if were gonna be more or less prosperous outside of the EU yet so lets defer that for a few years
3. Nearly all of our environmental standards are higher than the EU`s to start with.
4. Some of the countries with the highest standards of living in the world do not have a great deal of world influence,( PS, you sound like Nick Clegg when you quote this kind of tosh).
5. By voting share we had about 8% influence in the EU. Not a huge amount in my book
6. When we originally joined in 70`s, the general public weren't told about FOM, ECJ or ever closer union, this is in some part OUR governments fault and not the EU however we were conned into joining the "Common Market" by the omission of this information.
My problem has always been if we had known what we were getting into in the first place I personally would have had no problem with EU membership, but we weren't!
I hope this clarifies my position and resonates with your good self!
You also refer to it in the future tense when the negative effects are already showing0 -
surrey_commuter said:
Please Stop!spatt77 said:
it is so frustrating that you and others have decided there is an economic case for leaving when no senior leaver has ever seriously tried to do so. none of them think that leaving the SM is the route to milk and honey. To them it is a price worth paying for greater sovereignty.bompington said:
OK, I'm aware that it's futile, but I'll try.spatt77 said:
Are you saying that every Remainer KNEW what they were voting for?. Obviously I`m well aware that Remainers are much more intelligent than Leavers as youve never been shy to tell us! Have you any graphs you can bamboozle me with to ram home your point?bompington said:
At least this post has the merit of making Coopster look quite intelligentspatt77 said:Its true that some leavers had no idea what they were voting for, but that too cuts both ways, their is also the same amount of remainers who had no idea what they were voting for!
There (please note the spelling) have never been many Remain voters who are as slaveringly pro-EU as the Leavers are anti. I would quote opinion polls etc if I thought the facts would make any difference but I really can't be bothered.
Most of us are well aware of the shortcomings of the EU, but have decided that, on balance, the advantages outweigh them. That's all.
And we do have the slight advantage that we have actual observable facts to go on: evidence from nearly 50 years of membership.
We have also paid attention to other useful information, like the endlessly and pointlessly repeated listing of facts that show that an awful lot of the things Leavers are complaining about are not the fault of the EU at all.
So yes, we know what we were voting for: because it's what we had, what anyone who is not either stupid or wilfully blinding themselves could see with their (please note spelling) own eyes.
That includes things like prosperity, environmental standards, bigger and better influence in the world than we will ever manage on our own*, freedom of movement, an ability to influence the world's largest market.
I don't expect this post to resonate much with someone whose level of debate is pretty much "you're a poo. No you're a poo" though.
*Isn't it funny how the people who are so keen to point out how big and bold Britain will be now it's "independent" are equally keen to claim that we had no influence on the EU?
I know its futile but Ill try,
1. I do not think all our woes are the EU`s fault.
2. We dont KNOW if were gonna be more or less prosperous outside of the EU yet so lets defer that for a few years
3. Nearly all of our environmental standards are higher than the EU`s to start with.
4. Some of the countries with the highest standards of living in the world do not have a great deal of world influence,( PS, you sound like Nick Clegg when you quote this kind of tosh).
5. By voting share we had about 8% influence in the EU. Not a huge amount in my book
6. When we originally joined in 70`s, the general public weren't told about FOM, ECJ or ever closer union, this is in some part OUR governments fault and not the EU however we were conned into joining the "Common Market" by the omission of this information.
My problem has always been if we had known what we were getting into in the first place I personally would have had no problem with EU membership, but we weren't!
I hope this clarifies my position and resonates with your good self!
You also refer to it in the future tense when the negative effects are already showing0 -
What's going on at The Telegraph? They seem to be spewing leftiebollox.
"However, a UK-Australia deal is likely to involve big compromises for Britain, especially on agriculture, for which Canberra seeks to restore market access lost when Britain joined the EU.
By the DIT's own analysis, liberalising trade for drinks companies, car manufacturers and professional services through a free trade agreement would increase UK GDP over 15 years by a maximum of just 0.02pc.
If there is full tariff liberalisation and a 50pc reduction in non-tariff barriers, DIT even expects regional gross value added (GVA) in Northern Ireland to fall by 0.25pc to 0.5pc.
Meanwhile, any economic benefits from a deal with New Zealand would be negligible “given the size of the two economies" and at worst would shrink the UK economy by 0.01pc over 15 years, reducing GVA in Northern Ireland by between 0.05pc and 0.5pc, DIT said.
Welfare could fall by 0.01pc as benefits to consumers from better prices and real wage improvements would be outweighed by worse returns on capital and land investments."
"Britain has also applied to join the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP) that links Australia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore and Vietnam.
Membership of such an agreement could give the Government an alternative path to a US deal. Although America withdrew from joining the pact after Donald Trump was elected President four years ago, his 2020 rival Joe Biden backed it and has signalled he would consider membership if he enters the White House.
Trade experts say Biden’s multilateralism would attract him more to the Partnership than a bilateral deal with the UK, just as Barack Obama threatened that Brexit would put Britain at the “back of the queue” for trade deals – behind the EU.
When complete, the bloc will represent 13.5pc of global GDP, rising to 16pc if Britain joined, according to the Canadian government. Liz Truss, the Trade Secretary, said she hopes this will diversify UK supply chains, the fragility of which the pandemic has revealed.
But the irony of Britain leaving one bloc for another of similar size, 450 times further away, will be lost on few."
It might be lost on one or two here.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/06/22/aussie-trade-deal-might-leave-britain-taking-biscuit/0 -
UK Independence Day
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Well I`ve never had any problem with a trading block, and if the EU had stayed that way I`d have been all for it, unfortunately it went far too far and hence we find ourselves in the position were in!briantrumpet said:What's going on at The Telegraph? They seem to be spewing leftiebollox.
"However, a UK-Australia deal is likely to involve big compromises for Britain, especially on agriculture, for which Canberra seeks to restore market access lost when Britain joined the EU.
By the DIT's own analysis, liberalising trade for drinks companies, car manufacturers and professional services through a free trade agreement would increase UK GDP over 15 years by a maximum of just 0.02pc.
If there is full tariff liberalisation and a 50pc reduction in non-tariff barriers, DIT even expects regional gross value added (GVA) in Northern Ireland to fall by 0.25pc to 0.5pc.
Meanwhile, any economic benefits from a deal with New Zealand would be negligible “given the size of the two economies" and at worst would shrink the UK economy by 0.01pc over 15 years, reducing GVA in Northern Ireland by between 0.05pc and 0.5pc, DIT said.
Welfare could fall by 0.01pc as benefits to consumers from better prices and real wage improvements would be outweighed by worse returns on capital and land investments."
"Britain has also applied to join the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP) that links Australia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore and Vietnam.
Membership of such an agreement could give the Government an alternative path to a US deal. Although America withdrew from joining the pact after Donald Trump was elected President four years ago, his 2020 rival Joe Biden backed it and has signalled he would consider membership if he enters the White House.
Trade experts say Biden’s multilateralism would attract him more to the Partnership than a bilateral deal with the UK, just as Barack Obama threatened that Brexit would put Britain at the “back of the queue” for trade deals – behind the EU.
When complete, the bloc will represent 13.5pc of global GDP, rising to 16pc if Britain joined, according to the Canadian government. Liz Truss, the Trade Secretary, said she hopes this will diversify UK supply chains, the fragility of which the pandemic has revealed.
But the irony of Britain leaving one bloc for another of similar size, 450 times further away, will be lost on few."
It might be lost on one or two here.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/06/22/aussie-trade-deal-might-leave-britain-taking-biscuit/0 -
https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-will-cost-uk-more-than-total-payments-to-eu-2020-1Brexit will have soon cost the UK more than all its payments to the EU over the past 47 years put together0
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That is some creative accounting right there.rick_chasey said:https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-will-cost-uk-more-than-total-payments-to-eu-2020-1
Brexit will have soon cost the UK more than all its payments to the EU over the past 47 years put together0 -
That is basic maths and the miracle of compound growth.john80 said:
That is some creative accounting right there.rick_chasey said:https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-will-cost-uk-more-than-total-payments-to-eu-2020-1
Brexit will have soon cost the UK more than all its payments to the EU over the past 47 years put together
I would have added in the lost growth between Cameron promising a ref and the ref
For the headline grabber they do not say if they worked out the payments in today’s money.0 -
They do in the article.surrey_commuter said:
That is basic maths and the miracle of compound growth.john80 said:
That is some creative accounting right there.rick_chasey said:https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-will-cost-uk-more-than-total-payments-to-eu-2020-1
Brexit will have soon cost the UK more than all its payments to the EU over the past 47 years put together
I would have added in the lost growth between Cameron promising a ref and the ref
For the headline grabber they do not say if they worked out the payments in today’s money.0
