BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Your Welcomekingstongraham said:
Cheers, means a lot.spatt77 said:If in ten years time it turns out to be a disaster then i`ll hold my hands up and say I was wrong !
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Amazingspatt77 said:
Your Welcomekingstongraham said:
Cheers, means a lot.spatt77 said:If in ten years time it turns out to be a disaster then i`ll hold my hands up and say I was wrong !
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Mainly due to a very pro Remain Parliament! but we can both thank God were not getting May`s deal! that was truly horrendous!florerider said:
Is that the 4 years the Brexiteers proved unable to do Brexit as they promised?coopster_the_1st said:
We won't see the same integrity from remoaners though. Not that spatt will need to say he was wrong as his view is looking more correct by the day.kingstongraham said:
Cheers, means a lot.spatt77 said:If in ten years time it turns out to be a disaster then i`ll hold my hands up and say I was wrong !
Remoaners have done all they can to try and overturn the result of a democratic vote, and spent 4 years undermining the UK to try and achieve this aim.0 -
Is that the remain parliament that voted in favour of and invoked article 50 that set leave in motion?spatt77 said:
Mainly due to a very pro Remain Parliament! but we can both thank God were not getting May`s deal! that was truly horrendous!florerider said:
Is that the 4 years the Brexiteers proved unable to do Brexit as they promised?coopster_the_1st said:
We won't see the same integrity from remoaners though. Not that spatt will need to say he was wrong as his view is looking more correct by the day.kingstongraham said:
Cheers, means a lot.spatt77 said:If in ten years time it turns out to be a disaster then i`ll hold my hands up and say I was wrong !
Remoaners have done all they can to try and overturn the result of a democratic vote, and spent 4 years undermining the UK to try and achieve this aim.0 -
MPs were just demonstrating their lack of competence or blatant dishonesty by their actions that followed. They got punished at the next general election for the blatant say one thing whilst doing another thing in full public view. They were more transparent than a shop front window to use an old saying.florerider said:
Is that the remain parliament that voted in favour of and invoked article 50 that set leave in motion?spatt77 said:
Mainly due to a very pro Remain Parliament! but we can both thank God were not getting May`s deal! that was truly horrendous!florerider said:
Is that the 4 years the Brexiteers proved unable to do Brexit as they promised?coopster_the_1st said:
We won't see the same integrity from remoaners though. Not that spatt will need to say he was wrong as his view is looking more correct by the day.kingstongraham said:
Cheers, means a lot.spatt77 said:If in ten years time it turns out to be a disaster then i`ll hold my hands up and say I was wrong !
Remoaners have done all they can to try and overturn the result of a democratic vote, and spent 4 years undermining the UK to try and achieve this aim.0 -
yep! but that was pure political posturing! so they could say " well we`ve done our best but its just impossible, well put it back to you" Im sure the majority of pro EU MP`s just thought we`d eventually get back to a second referendum! blitz the public with constant Brexit news till the public were so sick of it, then put another vote in front of them were they`d keep the status quo! I wonder if any other EU country has ever had a second referendum?florerider said:
Is that the remain parliament that voted in favour of and invoked article 50 that set leave in motion?spatt77 said:
Mainly due to a very pro Remain Parliament! but we can both thank God were not getting May`s deal! that was truly horrendous!florerider said:
Is that the 4 years the Brexiteers proved unable to do Brexit as they promised?coopster_the_1st said:
We won't see the same integrity from remoaners though. Not that spatt will need to say he was wrong as his view is looking more correct by the day.kingstongraham said:
Cheers, means a lot.spatt77 said:If in ten years time it turns out to be a disaster then i`ll hold my hands up and say I was wrong !
Remoaners have done all they can to try and overturn the result of a democratic vote, and spent 4 years undermining the UK to try and achieve this aim.0 -
Why don’t you give me some reasons why the UK will be richer outside of the Single Market.spatt77 said:
Im not projecting a economic disaster, I think trying to look into the future is futile, I just don`t believe every that`s being predicted. If you do, that`s for you!. If you or the UK in general end up being "richer" will you then look at Brexit as a success?surrey_commuter said:
I don't get why you project an economic disaster onto our beliefs and then tell us to get a grip.spatt77 said:You Remainers need to get a grip! listen , we had a vote, you lost, no doubt if you had won by a million people you would of said that`s democracy! I live in the North East, I was a kid when Consett steel works closed, I was at school when the miners strike was on, that was real division!. The reason working class areas voted for Brexit was because we`ve been through the REALLY hard times and if that happens again we`ll take it on the chin. If you live in Surrey or Kingston for example you've probably never endured any real financial hardship(unemployment was just below 3 million when i left school) lets just see how it pans out eh. If in ten years time it turns out to be a disaster then i`ll hold my hands up and say I was wrong !
Scientists are far from unanimous about climate change yet economists (bar one nutter) are all agreed that Leaving will be bad for the UK economy. No member of the Leave campaign has ever seriously suggested that it will be positive for the Uk economy.
The last estimate I saw was that the UK economy was already 2.5% smaller than it would have been if no referendum. In ten years time it will be another 5% smaller than it otherwise would have been. It will not be a disaster it will just be less good than it otherwise would have been as the Govt will have £60bn less to spend. Teachers, pensioners and nurses will be paid 7.5% less than they could have been, there will two more kids in a class and NHS waiting lists will be a bit longer. That is what slowing economic growth looks like.
You have literally voted to make the UK poorer and you need to own that and not rely on easy platitudes like "let's see how it all pans out".
You are right that the greatest hardship will not fall upon most on this forum which makes it ironic that we are the ones raging in defence of those upon who it will fall.
Try and look on a macro level, as the GFC knocked £1k a month off my mortgage but I don’t see it as a success.0 -
Heck, it doesn't even have to make us richer, I'd be quite happy if it just manages to give every citizen a free unicorn.spatt77 said:If you or the UK in general end up being "richer" will you then look at Brexit as a success?
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Third referendum please, we have already had 2 and the Brexiteers have established it is OK to campaign against the result. Just as it might be perceived to be legit to campaign after the first referendum because the EU was different to what they thought (not withstanding Ted Heath's closing speech being very clear) surely it is legit to campaign against a very different Brexit to that promised. In answer to the second question, Denmark and Ireland.spatt77 said:
yep! but that was pure political posturing! so they could say " well we`ve done our best but its just impossible, well put it back to you" Im sure the majority of pro EU MP`s just thought we`d eventually get back to a second referendum! blitz the public with constant Brexit news till the public were so sick of it, then put another vote in front of them were they`d keep the status quo! I wonder if any other EU country has ever had a second referendum?florerider said:
Is that the remain parliament that voted in favour of and invoked article 50 that set leave in motion?spatt77 said:
Mainly due to a very pro Remain Parliament! but we can both thank God were not getting May`s deal! that was truly horrendous!florerider said:
Is that the 4 years the Brexiteers proved unable to do Brexit as they promised?coopster_the_1st said:
We won't see the same integrity from remoaners though. Not that spatt will need to say he was wrong as his view is looking more correct by the day.kingstongraham said:
Cheers, means a lot.spatt77 said:If in ten years time it turns out to be a disaster then i`ll hold my hands up and say I was wrong !
Remoaners have done all they can to try and overturn the result of a democratic vote, and spent 4 years undermining the UK to try and achieve this aim.
What do you think of a hardened leaver voting down tbe WA he negotiated? Can't blame that on remainers. Given that May lost her majorjty when she set out a hard brexit in her electio stance I am not sure the electorate wasn't clear on this, exit yes, hard brexit no, but get it done. WTO at the heart was not the manifesto for Brexit, a excellent trade deal to maintain market access was. The current likely outcome was not the basis for people voting.0 -
I don't even remember what the differences were, apart from replacing the Northern Ireland backstop with a border in the Irish Sea.spatt77 said:
Mainly due to a very pro Remain Parliament! but we can both thank God were not getting May`s deal! that was truly horrendous!florerider said:
Is that the 4 years the Brexiteers proved unable to do Brexit as they promised?coopster_the_1st said:
We won't see the same integrity from remoaners though. Not that spatt will need to say he was wrong as his view is looking more correct by the day.kingstongraham said:
Cheers, means a lot.spatt77 said:If in ten years time it turns out to be a disaster then i`ll hold my hands up and say I was wrong !
Remoaners have done all they can to try and overturn the result of a democratic vote, and spent 4 years undermining the UK to try and achieve this aim.0 -
Sort of intersting SC, my earlier post included 2 "errors", one questionable, or outdated, assumption, and no counter assumption that could easily reverse the outcome, actually one fundamental to the leavers argument and frequently made. You got one of them.surrey_commuter said:
Why don’t you give me some reasons why the UK will be richer outside of the Single Market.spatt77 said:
Im not projecting a economic disaster, I think trying to look into the future is futile, I just don`t believe every that`s being predicted. If you do, that`s for you!. If you or the UK in general end up being "richer" will you then look at Brexit as a success?surrey_commuter said:
I don't get why you project an economic disaster onto our beliefs and then tell us to get a grip.spatt77 said:You Remainers need to get a grip! listen , we had a vote, you lost, no doubt if you had won by a million people you would of said that`s democracy! I live in the North East, I was a kid when Consett steel works closed, I was at school when the miners strike was on, that was real division!. The reason working class areas voted for Brexit was because we`ve been through the REALLY hard times and if that happens again we`ll take it on the chin. If you live in Surrey or Kingston for example you've probably never endured any real financial hardship(unemployment was just below 3 million when i left school) lets just see how it pans out eh. If in ten years time it turns out to be a disaster then i`ll hold my hands up and say I was wrong !
Scientists are far from unanimous about climate change yet economists (bar one nutter) are all agreed that Leaving will be bad for the UK economy. No member of the Leave campaign has ever seriously suggested that it will be positive for the Uk economy.
The last estimate I saw was that the UK economy was already 2.5% smaller than it would have been if no referendum. In ten years time it will be another 5% smaller than it otherwise would have been. It will not be a disaster it will just be less good than it otherwise would have been as the Govt will have £60bn less to spend. Teachers, pensioners and nurses will be paid 7.5% less than they could have been, there will two more kids in a class and NHS waiting lists will be a bit longer. That is what slowing economic growth looks like.
You have literally voted to make the UK poorer and you need to own that and not rely on easy platitudes like "let's see how it all pans out".
You are right that the greatest hardship will not fall upon most on this forum which makes it ironic that we are the ones raging in defence of those upon who it will fall.
Try and look on a macro level, as the GFC knocked £1k a month off my mortgage but I don’t see it as a success.
The reasons Rhys Mogg gave for being richer was zero tariffs and control of trade policy, but by putting WTO "at the heart" the opposite is happening, ergo both sides agree on being worse off.0 -
I dont have too and i`m not saying it will but it sounds like its all about money for you?surrey_commuter said:
Why don’t you give me some reasons why the UK will be richer outside of the Single Market.spatt77 said:
Im not projecting a economic disaster, I think trying to look into the future is futile, I just don`t believe every that`s being predicted. If you do, that`s for you!. If you or the UK in general end up being "richer" will you then look at Brexit as a success?surrey_commuter said:
I don't get why you project an economic disaster onto our beliefs and then tell us to get a grip.spatt77 said:You Remainers need to get a grip! listen , we had a vote, you lost, no doubt if you had won by a million people you would of said that`s democracy! I live in the North East, I was a kid when Consett steel works closed, I was at school when the miners strike was on, that was real division!. The reason working class areas voted for Brexit was because we`ve been through the REALLY hard times and if that happens again we`ll take it on the chin. If you live in Surrey or Kingston for example you've probably never endured any real financial hardship(unemployment was just below 3 million when i left school) lets just see how it pans out eh. If in ten years time it turns out to be a disaster then i`ll hold my hands up and say I was wrong !
Scientists are far from unanimous about climate change yet economists (bar one nutter) are all agreed that Leaving will be bad for the UK economy. No member of the Leave campaign has ever seriously suggested that it will be positive for the Uk economy.
The last estimate I saw was that the UK economy was already 2.5% smaller than it would have been if no referendum. In ten years time it will be another 5% smaller than it otherwise would have been. It will not be a disaster it will just be less good than it otherwise would have been as the Govt will have £60bn less to spend. Teachers, pensioners and nurses will be paid 7.5% less than they could have been, there will two more kids in a class and NHS waiting lists will be a bit longer. That is what slowing economic growth looks like.
You have literally voted to make the UK poorer and you need to own that and not rely on easy platitudes like "let's see how it all pans out".
You are right that the greatest hardship will not fall upon most on this forum which makes it ironic that we are the ones raging in defence of those upon who it will fall.
Try and look on a macro level, as the GFC knocked £1k a month off my mortgage but I don’t see it as a success.0 -
Remoaners still fighting the 2016 referendum result. Ha Ha. You lost and you look stupid refusing to accept this!
One remoaner anti-deomcrats has even tried to take advantage of the current pandemic to try and sneak through a private members bill this Friday to stop the UK leaving.
All he has ended up doing is wasting a private members bill and prove how anti-democratic he and his party really are.
It won't get reported in the MSM but it will enjoy the crushing defeat it deserves as per the UK's electoral decision in Dec 20192 -
We've left, mate. Anything that gets voted on now is fair game.coopster_the_1st said:Remoaners still fighting the 2016 referendum result. Ha Ha. You lost and you look stupid refusing to accept this!
One remoaner anti-deomcrats has even tried to take advantage of the current pandemic to try and sneak through a private members bill this Friday to stop the UK leaving.
All he has ended up doing is wasting a private members bill and prove how anti-democratic he and his party really are.
It won't get reported in the MSM but it will enjoy the crushing defeat it deserves as per the UK's electoral decision in Dec 2019
And I don't think you understand what private members' bills are. Very rare for them to get enacted, but one that could have made it through was the law against upskirting, which was blocked by a prominent Brexit supporter.0 -
Brexiteers fighting the referendum result for 35 years against both parliaments and the peoples decision was ok then?0
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I believe your talking about Christopher Chope, and you're right he did block that Private members Bill, but it wasnt because he disagreed with the bill but for purely a process reason.kingstongraham said:
We've left, mate. Anything that gets voted on now is fair game.coopster_the_1st said:Remoaners still fighting the 2016 referendum result. Ha Ha. You lost and you look stupid refusing to accept this!
One remoaner anti-deomcrats has even tried to take advantage of the current pandemic to try and sneak through a private members bill this Friday to stop the UK leaving.
All he has ended up doing is wasting a private members bill and prove how anti-democratic he and his party really are.
It won't get reported in the MSM but it will enjoy the crushing defeat it deserves as per the UK's electoral decision in Dec 2019
And I don't think you understand what private members' bills are. Very rare for them to get enacted, but one that could have made it through was the law against upskirting, which was blocked by a prominent Brexit supporter.
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It will be an intersting history exam question. Owen Patterson said "only a madman would leave the (single) market". Liam Fox said of trade deal "easiest in human history". David Davis said such a trade deal recignised their desire to sell cars and prosecco to us will result in us being granted access to their markets for services.
Discuss.0 -
Paddy Ashdown said "when democracy speaks, we obey"florerider said:It will be an intersting history exam question. Owen Patterson said "only a madman would leave the (single) market". Liam Fox said of trade deal "easiest in human history". David Davis said such a trade deal recignised their desire to sell cars and prosecco to us will result in us being granted access to their markets for services.
Discuss.
Democracy spoke. Discussion over!0 -
It was for similar reasons for why another Brexit supporter brought back MPs to line up outside for voting during a pandemic. Stuck in the past and adore tradition because that's the way we've always done it.spatt77 said:
I believe your talking about Christopher Chope, and you're right he did block that Private members Bill, but it wasnt because he disagreed with the bill but for purely a process reason.kingstongraham said:
We've left, mate. Anything that gets voted on now is fair game.coopster_the_1st said:Remoaners still fighting the 2016 referendum result. Ha Ha. You lost and you look stupid refusing to accept this!
One remoaner anti-deomcrats has even tried to take advantage of the current pandemic to try and sneak through a private members bill this Friday to stop the UK leaving.
All he has ended up doing is wasting a private members bill and prove how anti-democratic he and his party really are.
It won't get reported in the MSM but it will enjoy the crushing defeat it deserves as per the UK's electoral decision in Dec 2019
And I don't think you understand what private members' bills are. Very rare for them to get enacted, but one that could have made it through was the law against upskirting, which was blocked by a prominent Brexit supporter.0 -
And a brilliant decision, so that our law makers get to live and experience the rules that the rest of us are living underkingstongraham said:
It was for similar reasons for why another Brexit supporter brought back MPs to line up outside for voting during a pandemic. Stuck in the past and adore tradition because that's the way we've always done it.spatt77 said:
I believe your talking about Christopher Chope, and you're right he did block that Private members Bill, but it wasnt because he disagreed with the bill but for purely a process reason.kingstongraham said:
We've left, mate. Anything that gets voted on now is fair game.coopster_the_1st said:Remoaners still fighting the 2016 referendum result. Ha Ha. You lost and you look stupid refusing to accept this!
One remoaner anti-deomcrats has even tried to take advantage of the current pandemic to try and sneak through a private members bill this Friday to stop the UK leaving.
All he has ended up doing is wasting a private members bill and prove how anti-democratic he and his party really are.
It won't get reported in the MSM but it will enjoy the crushing defeat it deserves as per the UK's electoral decision in Dec 2019
And I don't think you understand what private members' bills are. Very rare for them to get enacted, but one that could have made it through was the law against upskirting, which was blocked by a prominent Brexit supporter.0 -
You have to queue up at work for 45 mins to do a fundamental part of your job instead of using an alternative, better solution?coopster_the_1st said:
And a brilliant decision, so that our law makers get to live and experience the rules that the rest of us are living underkingstongraham said:
It was for similar reasons for why another Brexit supporter brought back MPs to line up outside for voting during a pandemic. Stuck in the past and adore tradition because that's the way we've always done it.spatt77 said:
I believe your talking about Christopher Chope, and you're right he did block that Private members Bill, but it wasnt because he disagreed with the bill but for purely a process reason.kingstongraham said:
We've left, mate. Anything that gets voted on now is fair game.coopster_the_1st said:Remoaners still fighting the 2016 referendum result. Ha Ha. You lost and you look stupid refusing to accept this!
One remoaner anti-deomcrats has even tried to take advantage of the current pandemic to try and sneak through a private members bill this Friday to stop the UK leaving.
All he has ended up doing is wasting a private members bill and prove how anti-democratic he and his party really are.
It won't get reported in the MSM but it will enjoy the crushing defeat it deserves as per the UK's electoral decision in Dec 2019
And I don't think you understand what private members' bills are. Very rare for them to get enacted, but one that could have made it through was the law against upskirting, which was blocked by a prominent Brexit supporter.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
My workplace is allowing me to use technology to remotely perform tasks that previously I would have been expected to be physically present for. I suspect yours also.coopster_the_1st said:
And a brilliant decision, so that our law makers get to live and experience the rules that the rest of us are living underkingstongraham said:
It was for similar reasons for why another Brexit supporter brought back MPs to line up outside for voting during a pandemic. Stuck in the past and adore tradition because that's the way we've always done it.spatt77 said:
I believe your talking about Christopher Chope, and you're right he did block that Private members Bill, but it wasnt because he disagreed with the bill but for purely a process reason.kingstongraham said:
We've left, mate. Anything that gets voted on now is fair game.coopster_the_1st said:Remoaners still fighting the 2016 referendum result. Ha Ha. You lost and you look stupid refusing to accept this!
One remoaner anti-deomcrats has even tried to take advantage of the current pandemic to try and sneak through a private members bill this Friday to stop the UK leaving.
All he has ended up doing is wasting a private members bill and prove how anti-democratic he and his party really are.
It won't get reported in the MSM but it will enjoy the crushing defeat it deserves as per the UK's electoral decision in Dec 2019
And I don't think you understand what private members' bills are. Very rare for them to get enacted, but one that could have made it through was the law against upskirting, which was blocked by a prominent Brexit supporter.
My MP also responded to the point about the public having to queue when they go shopping - as well as being an MP, she is also a person, and does queue at the supermarket. I think it might mainly be JRM who is out of touch. Just a suspicion.0 -
(She's also started doing some cycle commuting into Westminster as per government guidance. Love to see it.)kingstongraham said:
My workplace is allowing me to use technology to remotely perform tasks that previously I would have been expected to be physically present for. I suspect yours also.coopster_the_1st said:
And a brilliant decision, so that our law makers get to live and experience the rules that the rest of us are living underkingstongraham said:
It was for similar reasons for why another Brexit supporter brought back MPs to line up outside for voting during a pandemic. Stuck in the past and adore tradition because that's the way we've always done it.spatt77 said:
I believe your talking about Christopher Chope, and you're right he did block that Private members Bill, but it wasnt because he disagreed with the bill but for purely a process reason.kingstongraham said:
We've left, mate. Anything that gets voted on now is fair game.coopster_the_1st said:Remoaners still fighting the 2016 referendum result. Ha Ha. You lost and you look stupid refusing to accept this!
One remoaner anti-deomcrats has even tried to take advantage of the current pandemic to try and sneak through a private members bill this Friday to stop the UK leaving.
All he has ended up doing is wasting a private members bill and prove how anti-democratic he and his party really are.
It won't get reported in the MSM but it will enjoy the crushing defeat it deserves as per the UK's electoral decision in Dec 2019
And I don't think you understand what private members' bills are. Very rare for them to get enacted, but one that could have made it through was the law against upskirting, which was blocked by a prominent Brexit supporter.
My MP also responded to the point about the public having to queue when they go shopping - as well as being an MP, she is also a person, and does queue at the supermarket. I think it might mainly be JRM who is out of touch. Just a suspicion.0 -
well, next time you`re on YOUTUBE type in Andrew Neil James Mcgory! all your questions will be answered thereflorerider said:It will be an intersting history exam question. Owen Patterson said "only a madman would leave the (single) market". Liam Fox said of trade deal "easiest in human history". David Davis said such a trade deal recignised their desire to sell cars and prosecco to us will result in us being granted access to their markets for services.
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You're confusing tradition with process! do keep up old boy!kingstongraham said:
It was for similar reasons for why another Brexit supporter brought back MPs to line up outside for voting during a pandemic. Stuck in the past and adore tradition because that's the way we've always done it.spatt77 said:
I believe your talking about Christopher Chope, and you're right he did block that Private members Bill, but it wasnt because he disagreed with the bill but for purely a process reason.kingstongraham said:
We've left, mate. Anything that gets voted on now is fair game.coopster_the_1st said:Remoaners still fighting the 2016 referendum result. Ha Ha. You lost and you look stupid refusing to accept this!
One remoaner anti-deomcrats has even tried to take advantage of the current pandemic to try and sneak through a private members bill this Friday to stop the UK leaving.
All he has ended up doing is wasting a private members bill and prove how anti-democratic he and his party really are.
It won't get reported in the MSM but it will enjoy the crushing defeat it deserves as per the UK's electoral decision in Dec 2019
And I don't think you understand what private members' bills are. Very rare for them to get enacted, but one that could have made it through was the law against upskirting, which was blocked by a prominent Brexit supporter.0 -
I think that the processes in the house of commons might be slightly influenced by tradition. But I can check with Black Rod next time the doors get slammed in her face and she needs to knock three times with her staff.spatt77 said:
You're confusing tradition with process! do keep up old boy!kingstongraham said:
It was for similar reasons for why another Brexit supporter brought back MPs to line up outside for voting during a pandemic. Stuck in the past and adore tradition because that's the way we've always done it.spatt77 said:
I believe your talking about Christopher Chope, and you're right he did block that Private members Bill, but it wasnt because he disagreed with the bill but for purely a process reason.kingstongraham said:
We've left, mate. Anything that gets voted on now is fair game.coopster_the_1st said:Remoaners still fighting the 2016 referendum result. Ha Ha. You lost and you look stupid refusing to accept this!
One remoaner anti-deomcrats has even tried to take advantage of the current pandemic to try and sneak through a private members bill this Friday to stop the UK leaving.
All he has ended up doing is wasting a private members bill and prove how anti-democratic he and his party really are.
It won't get reported in the MSM but it will enjoy the crushing defeat it deserves as per the UK's electoral decision in Dec 2019
And I don't think you understand what private members' bills are. Very rare for them to get enacted, but one that could have made it through was the law against upskirting, which was blocked by a prominent Brexit supporter.0 -
Good, glad you agree.coopster_the_1st said:
Paddy Ashdown said "when democracy speaks, we obey"florerider said:It will be an intersting history exam question. Owen Patterson said "only a madman would leave the (single) market". Liam Fox said of trade deal "easiest in human history". David Davis said such a trade deal recignised their desire to sell cars and prosecco to us will result in us being granted access to their markets for services.
Discuss.
Democracy spoke. Discussion over!0 -
So you can not give one reason for why the UK economy will be better off outside of the EU. That puts you alongside Farage and co but that does just leave blind optimism for why you think it will be better.spatt77 said:
I dont have too and i`m not saying it will but it sounds like its all about money for you?surrey_commuter said:
Why don’t you give me some reasons why the UK will be richer outside of the Single Market.spatt77 said:
Im not projecting a economic disaster, I think trying to look into the future is futile, I just don`t believe every that`s being predicted. If you do, that`s for you!. If you or the UK in general end up being "richer" will you then look at Brexit as a success?surrey_commuter said:
I don't get why you project an economic disaster onto our beliefs and then tell us to get a grip.spatt77 said:You Remainers need to get a grip! listen , we had a vote, you lost, no doubt if you had won by a million people you would of said that`s democracy! I live in the North East, I was a kid when Consett steel works closed, I was at school when the miners strike was on, that was real division!. The reason working class areas voted for Brexit was because we`ve been through the REALLY hard times and if that happens again we`ll take it on the chin. If you live in Surrey or Kingston for example you've probably never endured any real financial hardship(unemployment was just below 3 million when i left school) lets just see how it pans out eh. If in ten years time it turns out to be a disaster then i`ll hold my hands up and say I was wrong !
Scientists are far from unanimous about climate change yet economists (bar one nutter) are all agreed that Leaving will be bad for the UK economy. No member of the Leave campaign has ever seriously suggested that it will be positive for the Uk economy.
The last estimate I saw was that the UK economy was already 2.5% smaller than it would have been if no referendum. In ten years time it will be another 5% smaller than it otherwise would have been. It will not be a disaster it will just be less good than it otherwise would have been as the Govt will have £60bn less to spend. Teachers, pensioners and nurses will be paid 7.5% less than they could have been, there will two more kids in a class and NHS waiting lists will be a bit longer. That is what slowing economic growth looks like.
You have literally voted to make the UK poorer and you need to own that and not rely on easy platitudes like "let's see how it all pans out".
You are right that the greatest hardship will not fall upon most on this forum which makes it ironic that we are the ones raging in defence of those upon who it will fall.
Try and look on a macro level, as the GFC knocked £1k a month off my mortgage but I don’t see it as a success.
I have never mentioned money, why do you think that you keep projecting that on to me?0 -
because all you talk about is the economic repercussions! will you be happy if Brexit fails just to prove youre right?surrey_commuter said:
So you can not give one reason for why the UK economy will be better off outside of the EU. That puts you alongside Farage and co but that does just leave blind optimism for why you think it will be better.spatt77 said:
I dont have too and i`m not saying it will but it sounds like its all about money for you?surrey_commuter said:
Why don’t you give me some reasons why the UK will be richer outside of the Single Market.spatt77 said:
Im not projecting a economic disaster, I think trying to look into the future is futile, I just don`t believe every that`s being predicted. If you do, that`s for you!. If you or the UK in general end up being "richer" will you then look at Brexit as a success?surrey_commuter said:
I don't get why you project an economic disaster onto our beliefs and then tell us to get a grip.spatt77 said:You Remainers need to get a grip! listen , we had a vote, you lost, no doubt if you had won by a million people you would of said that`s democracy! I live in the North East, I was a kid when Consett steel works closed, I was at school when the miners strike was on, that was real division!. The reason working class areas voted for Brexit was because we`ve been through the REALLY hard times and if that happens again we`ll take it on the chin. If you live in Surrey or Kingston for example you've probably never endured any real financial hardship(unemployment was just below 3 million when i left school) lets just see how it pans out eh. If in ten years time it turns out to be a disaster then i`ll hold my hands up and say I was wrong !
Scientists are far from unanimous about climate change yet economists (bar one nutter) are all agreed that Leaving will be bad for the UK economy. No member of the Leave campaign has ever seriously suggested that it will be positive for the Uk economy.
The last estimate I saw was that the UK economy was already 2.5% smaller than it would have been if no referendum. In ten years time it will be another 5% smaller than it otherwise would have been. It will not be a disaster it will just be less good than it otherwise would have been as the Govt will have £60bn less to spend. Teachers, pensioners and nurses will be paid 7.5% less than they could have been, there will two more kids in a class and NHS waiting lists will be a bit longer. That is what slowing economic growth looks like.
You have literally voted to make the UK poorer and you need to own that and not rely on easy platitudes like "let's see how it all pans out".
You are right that the greatest hardship will not fall upon most on this forum which makes it ironic that we are the ones raging in defence of those upon who it will fall.
Try and look on a macro level, as the GFC knocked £1k a month off my mortgage but I don’t see it as a success.
I have never mentioned money, why do you think that you keep projecting that on to me?0 -
No, but isn't that the point.spatt77 said:
because all you talk about is the economic repercussions! will you be happy if Brexit fails just to prove youre right?surrey_commuter said:
So you can not give one reason for why the UK economy will be better off outside of the EU. That puts you alongside Farage and co but that does just leave blind optimism for why you think it will be better.spatt77 said:
I dont have too and i`m not saying it will but it sounds like its all about money for you?surrey_commuter said:
Why don’t you give me some reasons why the UK will be richer outside of the Single Market.spatt77 said:
Im not projecting a economic disaster, I think trying to look into the future is futile, I just don`t believe every that`s being predicted. If you do, that`s for you!. If you or the UK in general end up being "richer" will you then look at Brexit as a success?surrey_commuter said:
I don't get why you project an economic disaster onto our beliefs and then tell us to get a grip.spatt77 said:You Remainers need to get a grip! listen , we had a vote, you lost, no doubt if you had won by a million people you would of said that`s democracy! I live in the North East, I was a kid when Consett steel works closed, I was at school when the miners strike was on, that was real division!. The reason working class areas voted for Brexit was because we`ve been through the REALLY hard times and if that happens again we`ll take it on the chin. If you live in Surrey or Kingston for example you've probably never endured any real financial hardship(unemployment was just below 3 million when i left school) lets just see how it pans out eh. If in ten years time it turns out to be a disaster then i`ll hold my hands up and say I was wrong !
Scientists are far from unanimous about climate change yet economists (bar one nutter) are all agreed that Leaving will be bad for the UK economy. No member of the Leave campaign has ever seriously suggested that it will be positive for the Uk economy.
The last estimate I saw was that the UK economy was already 2.5% smaller than it would have been if no referendum. In ten years time it will be another 5% smaller than it otherwise would have been. It will not be a disaster it will just be less good than it otherwise would have been as the Govt will have £60bn less to spend. Teachers, pensioners and nurses will be paid 7.5% less than they could have been, there will two more kids in a class and NHS waiting lists will be a bit longer. That is what slowing economic growth looks like.
You have literally voted to make the UK poorer and you need to own that and not rely on easy platitudes like "let's see how it all pans out".
You are right that the greatest hardship will not fall upon most on this forum which makes it ironic that we are the ones raging in defence of those upon who it will fall.
Try and look on a macro level, as the GFC knocked £1k a month off my mortgage but I don’t see it as a success.
I have never mentioned money, why do you think that you keep projecting that on to me?0
